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| 00:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh neat got a beta invite :D |
| 00:57.55 | EsreverWoW | 11300 will give an out of date error, surprisingly. |
| 00:58.09 | EsreverWoW | Seems to actually need 11302 in the table of contents. |
| 00:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | does it just check if the number is greater than or exactly that version, i wonder |
| 00:59.04 | EsreverWoW | I don't think so, as 80100 interface values also gave me the same. |
| 00:59.12 | EsreverWoW | Things could change by launch though. |
| 00:59.23 | nevcairiel | its usually just a check to match specifically |
| 00:59.30 | nevcairiel | and anything else shows out of date |
| 01:00.10 | nevcairiel | at one time they actually had everything older not only out of date but also "incompatible" and not load at all, but that was only used at one time ... moving from bc to wrath i think? something like that |
| 01:00.35 | EsreverWoW | It still does that in Classic if you use vanilla-era interface versions. |
| 01:00.48 | EsreverWoW | 11200 for example will give you incompatible in Classic. |
| 01:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i had to edit some addon to the newer toc at some point |
| 01:01.07 | Mr_Rabies | i think i -might- still be using that addon |
| 01:01.11 | Mr_Rabies | the same version, even |
| 01:01.27 | EsreverWoW | I wonder if there will be any way to package Classic/BfA addons in the same install without receiving out of date notices in either client. |
| 01:01.40 | nevcairiel | Doubtful. |
| 01:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | because it wouldn't load at all for being too old, but it still works even today if i recall |
| 01:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | (CandyStripeHealth) |
| 01:02.30 | Mr_Rabies | https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/candystripehealth oh, no, it has a 4.3 TOC already |
| 01:02.40 | EsreverWoW | I was just using checks based on GetBuildInfo to behave differently based on if it was in a retail / Classic client. |
| 01:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | i am still using that though :v |
| 01:03.19 | nevcairiel | I started using checks like that, but it really made the code very ugly |
| 01:03.30 | nevcairiel | so i might just branch stuff if i need to release two a nyway |
| 01:03.57 | EsreverWoW | It does, but I was also toying with having a compatibility layer as a separate file that is loaded based on the build info. |
| 01:05.26 | EsreverWoW | Still have a few places where you need to make modifications elsewhere, but most functions you can just NOOP or send simply returns and write your code so that it doesn't cause issues on nil returns / anything else it would be expecting not being there. |
| 01:05.36 | EsreverWoW | s/simply/simple |
| 01:06.02 | Mr_Rabies | would be nice if the TOC was more like "Tested with versions: X,Y,Z" etc and if it matches it doesn't nag about compatibility |
| 01:06.34 | EsreverWoW | Or something like #Interface: 11302 or 80100. |
| 01:06.40 | Mr_Rabies | just as it is now but able to read more than one datapoint |
| 01:06.45 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, thats sorta what i mean |
| 01:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | people could be lazy and just toc bump and let people scream that things are broken same as today, but at least it'd be a bit more robust |
| 01:07.54 | EsreverWoW | Yeah, I mean we'll adapt. It's not a huge deal, but the convenience/option would be nice. |
| 01:08.40 | EsreverWoW | nevcairiel - Did you have any plans to revive Threat-2.0 for Classic? |
| 01:09.25 | Mr_Rabies | i wouldn't complain if addons could get actual threat instead of just inferring it like in classic |
| 01:09.33 | Mr_Rabies | if they're changing stuff that's visible, might as well change that |
| 01:09.50 | EsreverWoW | They removed threat events / functions. |
| 01:10.25 | EsreverWoW | Seems you'll be reliant on addon communication between players or calculating it without syncing between players like DiamondThreatMeter did in TBC. |
| 01:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | see i would be okay with that if they didn't change anything |
| 01:11.21 | nevcairiel | threat-2.0 was for BC, it would probably need a lot of work to re-tune it for classic abilities and talents, i'm not sure I want to spend that much effort on something i really dont care that much about |
| 01:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | but since they're changing stuff you can see from classic, a few creature comforts under the hood would be nice |
| 01:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | i think i used Omen in classic? i forget |
| 01:12.02 | EsreverWoW | Omen wasn't in vanilla. |
| 01:12.08 | EsreverWoW | KTM/KLH was the big one. |
| 01:12.14 | EsreverWoW | KLH Threat Meter |
| 01:12.36 | Mr_Rabies | ah yeah |
| 01:12.41 | Mr_Rabies | KLH |
| 01:12.55 | Mr_Rabies | then again you can just wait for 2 stacks of sunder and then hope for the best :v |
| 01:13.02 | EsreverWoW | Fair enough. I knew it was for TBC, but it seemed like a better jumping off point than the 1.12.x options and was thinking the threat modifiers could be attained from referencing the usual suspects from 1.12. |
| 01:13.24 | nevcairiel | not sure when threat-1.0 and omen started |
| 01:13.28 | nevcairiel | might have been late in vanilla |
| 01:13.43 | EsreverWoW | I'm interested in seeing what the big threat mod / library will be. |
| 01:14.13 | nevcairiel | threat-1.0 was horrible though with parsing the o ld combat log :D |
| 01:14.33 | Mr_Rabies | oh does it have advanced logging and stuff? |
| 01:14.39 | EsreverWoW | Yeah, 2.4+ made things a lot easier. |
| 01:14.41 | Mr_Rabies | can we see warcraftlogs classic because that's kind of hilarious |
| 01:14.44 | nevcairiel | yes the advanced combatlog remains |
| 01:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | yessss lmao |
| 01:15.03 | nevcairiel | which is why its kind of stupid to remove the threat api |
| 01:15.15 | nevcairiel | it didnt make threat addons much more accurate, just much simpler |
| 01:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, agreed |
| 01:15.39 | Mr_Rabies | you could still get pretty accurate threat just had to jump through stupid hoops to do it |
| 01:15.52 | EsreverWoW | I somewhat understand the removal, but they left things like UnitGUID in, so /shrug. |
| 01:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | it might be easier now with the extended amount of knowledge on the threat for abilities, etc |
| 01:16.16 | nevcairiel | Like I said, you can do almost accurate threat without those APIs |
| 01:16.21 | nevcairiel | its just a lot of work |
| 01:16.25 | EsreverWoW | Yeah |
| 01:16.30 | Funkeh` | they removed the threat API? |
| 01:16.33 | EsreverWoW | Yes |
| 01:16.39 | Funkeh` | yeah that's jsut dumb then |
| 01:16.49 | nevcairiel | they should go all the way and remove CLEU |
| 01:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | if they're going to remove APIs we should at least get one button hunter macros back |
| 01:17.49 | EsreverWoW | Let's just make all of the protected functions unprotected once more. :D |
| 01:18.05 | EsreverWoW | No more secure handling! |
| 01:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | can we get a stretch goal of a blizzard-developed version of glider while we're at it |
| 01:19.09 | EsreverWoW | Nah, CLEU is kind of essential, or at least some way of reading combat log events, but I was expecting them to limit what was returned. |
| 01:19.49 | EsreverWoW | Surprisingly, things seem pretty much the same as early BfA. |
| 01:19.53 | nevcairiel | just give addons string formatted log entries |
| 01:19.55 | nevcairiel | like the olden days |
| 01:20.07 | EsreverWoW | ew |
| 01:20.28 | nevcairiel | And the client is based on something c lose to 8.1, so most stuff should be around that |
| 01:20.33 | EsreverWoW | Yeah |
| 01:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda wonder what the impact of combat logging all the time is on something like an SSD |
| 01:20.56 | nevcairiel | write wear is an overrated concern |
| 01:21.05 | Mr_Rabies | i know the write limit is theoretically pretty hard to hit, but i'm sure writing little stuff that much must be outside of what they test for |
| 01:21.12 | EsreverWoW | String formatted entries is a headache since certain locales change the ordering of placeholders. |
| 01:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i think modern SSDs are less likely to hit their write wear limit than an HDD is to just burn its motor out or something |
| 01:21.57 | Mr_Rabies | by a pretty large amount? been a while since i looked into it |
| 01:22.06 | nevcairiel | writing much or writing little makes no difference, its not l ike it writes to the same location on the SSD everytime, it does write leveling, ie. move the data somewhere else if its being written to avoid problems |
| 01:24.53 | nevcairiel | bl |
| 01:24.57 | nevcairiel | woops |
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| 08:26.40 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 08:33.09 | ls- | o/ |
| 08:39.12 | bluspacecow | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/were-porting-retail-add-ons-to-beta-come-get-em/175555/208?u=bluspacecow-muradin |
| 08:39.19 | bluspacecow | In which I have ruffled feathers |
| 08:39.24 | bluspacecow | FEATHERS WERE RUFFLED! |
| 08:39.34 | bluspacecow | ruffled I tell you! ruffled! |
| 08:41.45 | bluspacecow | also I'm at work so could disconnect at any time here. Silly webmarshall doesn't like webchat.freenode.net |
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| 09:59.29 | Alram | i like the whole feather ruffling thing going on bluspacecow |
| 09:59.32 | Alram | it is top amusing |
| 10:00.51 | nevcairiel | every beta the same thing, impatient idiots violating l icenses because they cant play without addons for a single minute |
| 10:03.20 | Alram | (to clarify, not the feather ruffling of addon authors but of the #nochanges crowd) |
| 10:25.51 | bluspacecow | *lies down* |
| 10:26.02 | bluspacecow | Fisker draw me like one of your french girls |
| 10:26.06 | TomCat | give the #nochanges crowd 1.0.0 and the rest of us 1.13 and beyond |
| 10:26.24 | bluspacecow | dear #nochanges crew |
| 10:26.25 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:26.25 | Fisker | i |
| 10:26.32 | bluspacecow | Classic is being done on an 8.xx client |
| 10:26.34 | bluspacecow | that's changes |
| 10:26.42 | bluspacecow | triggered much ? |
| 10:27.37 | Fisker | not triggered |
| 10:27.50 | bluspacecow | oh okay |
| 10:28.41 | Alram | ilu bluspacecow |
| 10:29.24 | Fisker | Why are people being triggered? |
| 10:29.40 | bluspacecow | i dunno lol |
| 10:29.54 | Alram | weakauras for example is and i quote "too powerful" |
| 10:31.03 | Fisker | I think Blizzard should blacklist all but the addons that existed back then |
| 10:32.29 | bluspacecow | i think that team is working on a Classic Update (weakauras) |
| 10:33.48 | bluspacecow | also randomly change shit at every patch just cause |
| 10:34.04 | TomCat | addons are not features from blizzard. The ability to create addons was the feature |
| 10:34.22 | TomCat | anyway - not happening so that's moot |
| 10:34.31 | bluspacecow | Moooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 10:34.35 | bluspacecow | moo moo moo |
| 10:34.50 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:35.17 | Fisker | have you heyed today? |
| 10:35.20 | bluspacecow | http://www.sw2e.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Hay-bale-hire-Johannesburg.jpg |
| 10:36.15 | bluspacecow | ^^ hayed |
| 10:43.14 | Alram | ah yes |
| 10:43.19 | Alram | johannesburg hay bales |
| 10:43.28 | Alram | classic south african hay bale |
| 10:44.15 | Fisker | What about Christian Bales? |
| 10:44.32 | Alram | no |
| 10:46.20 | Fisker | :( |
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| 11:17.34 | phixion | hugs Fisker |
| 11:17.40 | phixion | <3 |
| 11:17.42 | Fisker | hey phixion |
| 11:17.42 | Fisker | i |
| 11:17.51 | phixion | hey u |
| 11:17.54 | phixion | i |
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| 11:49.52 | bludeadcow | X_X |
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| 16:35.27 | znf | Anyone has the Logitech G602? |
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| 16:50.29 | VIad | #nochanges would also imply 1 button healing addons since it was pre-secure templates era :p |
| 16:52.47 | phixion | hugs VIad |
| 17:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | i do, znf |
| 17:10.59 | znf | Mr_Rabies, I'm assuming it doesn't have the lock/unlock scrollwheel thingie like on the G700(s)? |
| 17:11.41 | Mr_Rabies | nope, it just has one mode |
| 17:11.49 | Mr_Rabies | sorta clicky |
| 17:23.59 | VIad | did wow use lua4 or lua5 by the end of vanilla? did tbc upgrade to lua5? |
| 17:24.16 | VIad | #nochanges would be quite horrible if we had to lua4 ,_, |
| 17:30.47 | EsreverWoW | 5.0 interpreter in Vanilla |
| 17:30.50 | EsreverWoW | 5.1 in TBC+ |
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| 20:37.40 | Ketho | I wonder how the wowpedia docs are going to be updated for classic without making a mess out of it |
| 20:38.54 | Mr_Rabies | i would just do a seperate version of the site for classic for simplicity's sake |
| 20:39.10 | Ketho | classicpedia? :p |
| 20:39.44 | Mr_Rabies | maybe import the database and cull all changes before 2006 for most stuff other than engine-related stuff maybe |
| 20:39.59 | Mr_Rabies | december 2006 at that |
| 20:40.18 | Mr_Rabies | and then build from that, i dunno lol |
| 20:40.28 | ls- | classic.gamepedia.com or something like that |
| 20:42.35 | ls- | nah, just start w/ the 8.2 version, remove stuff that's gone, and then rename stuff that's renamed, 1.13's api is closer to the current one than the one from 2006 |
| 20:45.36 | nevcairiel | wowpedia is a lot more game information then lua API docs |
| 20:45.40 | nevcairiel | quests, dungeons, raids, etc |
| 21:03.04 | Mr_Rabies | i would say the API side of wowpedia is the most neglected part, really |
| 21:06.19 | Ketho | I updated it |
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| 21:38.29 | foxlit | a. gamepedia in its entirey has annoying ad issues for me. |
| 21:39.03 | foxlit | b. everyone and their grandmother loves to whine about api docs, but virtually nobody wants to write anything. |
| 21:39.40 | Ketho | ^ |
| 21:48.05 | foxlit | I kind of want to fork the api docs just to lose the adserving js. |
| 21:50.19 | foxlit | (and probably also mediawiki, but that's somewhat more work) |
| 22:01.56 | znf | or, y'know, uBlock? |
| 22:05.19 | foxlit | doesn't exist for this browser; would need to filtet inline scripts; and doesn't help anyone else. |
| 22:06.13 | foxlit | It's easier not to visit websites which insist on serving crap. |
| 22:09.22 | AcidWeb | any adblock will do |
| 22:09.42 | AcidWeb | or use dns blackholing |
| 22:09.51 | AcidWeb | good way to clean your entire home network |
| 22:11.12 | znf | "for this browser"?! |
| 22:11.24 | foxlit | I don't think so, AcidWeb. |
| 22:11.27 | znf | what browser doesn't have an adblocker? |
| 22:11.35 | znf | I'm curious on what obscure thing you're surfing |
| 22:11.39 | foxlit | It serves junk over https from the first party domain |
| 22:13.09 | foxlit | znf: safari? |
| 22:13.43 | AcidWeb | We talking about https://wow.gamepedia.com/Wowpedia? |
| 22:15.12 | foxlit | (in any case, I use local blackholing for static domains; this gets stuffed by dynamically-generated .g00. subdomains. afaik, it will happily proxy through /g00/ urls on the main domain as well) |
| 22:15.35 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:17.04 | AcidWeb | Well I don't have shred of ad there. |
| 22:17.32 | znf | foxlit, https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=com.el1t.uBlock-3NU33NW2M3 |
| 22:17.33 | znf | ?! |
| 22:18.41 | znf | I don't use safari on my mac, but I'm genuinely curious |
| 22:20.17 | znf | oh, haha |
| 22:20.29 | znf | extensions require one of those developer accounts |
| 22:20.41 | znf | $99/y just for publishing a browser extension |
| 22:20.44 | znf | keep it classy, apple |
| 22:21.28 | znf | sorry for suggesting that, what a shitty thing, heh |
| 22:21.59 | foxlit | yeah, the infrastructure sucks |
| 22:22.28 | Iriel | I'm not sure that's "wrong" on Apple's part, presumably extensions are signed and there are some terms and conditions for developers, so it's helpful to have at least some deterrence against a sea of bogus identities. |
| 22:22.39 | foxlit | last I looked, you could manually load stuff each time you restart the browser if you don't want to pay them for the signature, but that's annoying |
| 22:23.02 | foxlit | I also don't think the content blocker api allows you to block inline scripts |
| 22:23.17 | znf | Iriel, most extensions are free, paying $99/yr to provide something for free to the people is not exactly something that most people are willing to do |
| 22:25.12 | znf | not to mention, you'd be paying Apple for the privilege of... having users complain that X/Y/Z doesn't wor |
| 22:25.28 | foxlit | https://wow.gamepedia.com/Forum:Ads outlines the sort of silliness I experience on gamepedia. |
| 22:41.45 | Constie | Even with an adblocker, Gamepedia pages load twice for me in a way that smells ad-related and is pretty annoying sometimes. |
| 22:42.15 | foxlit | ^ |
| 22:43.05 | foxlit | its the ad serving tech detecting that something isn't quite right and retrieving the site through its own proxy |
| 22:43.33 | foxlit | it also does this when you're logged in and aren't actually supposed to see ads |
| 23:13.27 | Funkeh` | doesn't happen for me# |
| 23:13.35 | Funkeh` | maybe you need to sub to more lists |
| 23:14.11 | Funkeh` | just clicked freehold, loaded virtually instantly |
| 23:33.46 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> WoW Classic Beta Addon Cat: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html || 8.1.x ToC: 80100 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl || Currently mode +r due to spam until a better solution is found. |
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| 23:50.10 | Semlar | a site like this can't really sustain itself without ads foxlit |
| 23:53.49 | Constie | Nationalize Wowpedia. |
