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| 16:44.48 | TSquare | Good Morning |
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| 17:15.29 | znf | I was just catching up on the news |
| 17:15.42 | znf | Do we know if all the Major Essences are Active abilities? |
| 17:16.09 | znf | The 3 ones here https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/april/essence02.jpg - are all active :-| |
| 17:26.50 | Chipzz | not that I should care because I stopped playing a couple of months ago, but... they may be active all thy want, they still look like crap to, all generic "Do X fire damage" that have no symbiosis with your rotational skills and look more like trinket on-use effects |
| 17:27.12 | Chipzz | and by trinket I mean the lousy ones |
| 17:28.28 | Chipzz | I think in the entire list of what, 20-sth that was published for paladin, there was exactly 1 that affected rotation in a meaningfull way, and even that could have been "reduce CD on your big CD skill" lik som of the trinkets we've seen in the past |
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| 17:41.26 | Chipzz | znf: https://www.wowhead.com/news=291157/heart-of-azeroth-essences-all-revealed-major-and-minor-powers-in-patch-8-2-rise- |
| 17:42.46 | nevcairiel | all of the buttons are both passive and active |
| 17:43.09 | nevcairiel | if you assign them to a major slot, it'll be active, afaik |
| 17:45.05 | Chipzz | from that list, Memory of Lucid Dreams and Vision of Perfection have an interaction with Paladin specific skills |
| 17:46.06 | Chipzz | and from the comments: |
| 17:46.09 | Chipzz | That's a very bold statement. I assume that it works more like convergence of fates, just picking a cd for each tank. DH get meta, prot gets shield wall or some *!@#, etc. We have no evidence that the one called "vision of perfection" would be at all paladin specific. |
| 17:48.30 | znf | that's boring |
| 17:48.34 | znf | I hate active traits as a DPS |
| 17:50.43 | nevcairiel | i agree wit hthe comment |
| 17:51.49 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: th convergence of fates comment? |
| 17:52.06 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 17:52.15 | Chipzz | I agree too |
| 17:52.18 | nevcairiel | thats a rather likely course of action |
| 17:52.42 | Chipzz | which leaves Memory of Lucid Dreams |
| 17:52.55 | Chipzz | "Shield of the Righteous recharge time reduced by 50%" |
| 17:53.24 | Chipzz | and even that is FSVO "meaningfull interaction with your rotation" |
| 17:56.00 | Chipzz | I feel like the artifact abilities were more impactfull and engaging than this, this is not gonna win me over to resubscribe |
| 17:57.31 | Chipzz | what could have won me over was one major one with a *class-specific* ability like the artifact ability, and some minor ones that could be more generic (or like minor artifact traits) |
| 17:58.54 | Chipzz | also, what about people playing multiple specs? will the neck traits switch automatically when switching specs? or do I now need to teleport out of the raid to a resting area if I want to switch specs mid-raid? |
| 18:01.41 | Chipzz | also, the legendary reputation based ones coming from paragon rep caches makes me cringe... no RNG they said. yeah, right |
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| 18:04.43 | Chipzz | and another note... "skills" having a rarity, great, "Only players with all 3 essences at epic" incoming... no epic traits, no raid or M+ invite |
| 18:04.51 | Chipzz | who came up with that shitty idea? |
| 18:06.49 | nevcairiel | its just like gear, people ask for 400+ now, this stuff has no ilvl, but ranks, if you raid get you epic |
| 18:07.28 | Chipzz | it's worse |
| 18:07.43 | Chipzz | because higher ranks add effects |
| 18:07.50 | Chipzz | it's not just numbers |
| 18:08.02 | nevcairiel | its like saying someone with green g ear wants to get in raids |
| 18:08.05 | nevcairiel | you need epic gear =p |
| 18:08.07 | nebula | cosmetic effects |
| 18:08.17 | Chipzz | nebula: nope, actual effects |
| 18:08.18 | nevcairiel | and legendary is just cosmetic, so who cares |
| 18:09.26 | nebula | Chipzz: The first rank is the least powerful version of the active or passive bonus, with ranks two and three increasing their potency. The fourth rank is purely cosmetic, and adds a visual flair to the active spell. |
| 18:10.09 | Chipzz | nebula: take a look at the wording for "Focusing Iris" |
| 18:10.19 | Chipzz | "Focusing Iris can now be used while moving." |
| 18:10.23 | Chipzz | "can now" |
| 18:10.34 | Chipzz | this implies that isn't present on the rank 1 essence |
| 18:10.37 | nebula | that's a blizzard response |
| 18:10.52 | nebula | i don't give a shit about your "this is what i saw at blizz media day" shit |
| 18:12.04 | Chipzz | not "my" shit, and learn to read :P |
| 18:12.31 | Chipzz | also, source if you're so certain? |
| 18:12.45 | nebula | https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22956187 |
| 18:13.41 | Chipzz | if you look carefully at th actual text you'll notice most of the active abilitis are split in several paragraphs. which seems to imply to me that yes, additional *effects* (not numbers) are added at higher ranks |
| 18:13.43 | nebula | but you're right, 2 and 3 provide more than just a number bump |
| 18:14.00 | Chipzz | thank you for shitting on me while you were wrong :P |
| 18:14.24 | nebula | people that give outraged over stuff that isn't even on the ptr yet piss me off |
| 18:14.28 | nebula | get* |
| 18:15.04 | Chipzz | and people that act like crap to other people for no reason whatsoever piss me off |
| 18:15.29 | Chipzz | but what I was really trying to say is |
| 18:15.54 | Chipzz | the playerbase has always found ways of excluding players that "weren't good enough" in their eyes |
| 18:16.17 | Chipzz | like "at last artifact level 70" etc from Legion |
| 18:16.48 | Chipzz | adding additional effects on higher ranks is again another fuck-up from blizzard again enabling this toxic behaviour |
| 18:17.09 | Chipzz | you could have ilvl 450 and have shit luck with essences, and still be excluded |
| 18:17.16 | Exality5 | no |
| 18:17.24 | Chipzz | yes |
| 18:17.25 | nebula | i mean, only people that barely play the game and want to do all the fancy stuff say that shit |
| 18:17.26 | Exality5 | no one ever asked for artifact level |
| 18:17.30 | Exality5 | you are delusional |
| 18:17.31 | Chipzz | that's *exactly* what's gonna happen |
| 18:17.34 | nevcairiel | it just needs to be as simple as it being quest -> dungeon -> raid drops |
| 18:17.44 | Chipzz | Exality5: lol, you're the delusional one, plenty of ppl did |
| 18:17.53 | nevcairiel | if you just have quest stuff, noone s hould be taking you |
| 18:17.55 | Exality5 | sure |
| 18:19.27 | Cairenn | Oi, take it easy guys, enough with the insults and name calling |
| 18:20.18 | Cairenn | There are far more important things to get upset about, like Notre Dame cathedral going up in flames |
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| 18:21.08 | Chipzz | Cairenn: I've seen much worse insults than "delusional" :) |
| 18:21.28 | Cairenn | No doubt, but the point stands :p |
| 18:22.42 | Stanzilla_ | I'll pull your peepee |
| 18:23.46 | Cairenn | Yeah, good luck on that :p |
| 18:24.48 | Stanzilla_ | :> |
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| 18:25.44 | Chipzz | but the bottom line is, Blizzard could have kept it at one rank and have given people meaningfull choices instead of turning this into the umpteenth grind |
| 18:26.25 | nebula | rolls his eyes |
| 18:27.11 | Chipzz | you can bet the real requirement will be "Need legendary essences" which *will* be RNG based |
| 18:28.26 | Chipzz | ilvl is one thing, you could just equip your highest armour/ weapon/ ring/ trinket even if they're not your BiS stats |
| 18:29.10 | AcidWeb | You will need AOTC to join random group anyway 20 minutes after servers will be up. |
| 18:29.12 | Chipzz | essence are likely to be a "Class X *needs* BiS essences to perform" |
| 18:29.37 | Chipzz | just like azerite traits are now |
| 18:29.53 | Crosshash | "Essences have four ranks - the first three add effects/power, with the fourth adding a cosmetic visual." |
| 18:30.16 | nebula | do you even play the game? people have never cared about that shit. not even in legion when the system first came out |
| 18:30.22 | nevcairiel | its not different to trinkets |
| 18:34.13 | Chipzz | nebula: I'm not sure what game you are playing, but the one I played was full of toxic behaviour from people trying to exclude other people they deemed not worthy enough. Gearscore, raider.io, AOTC... |
| 18:34.33 | Chipzz | artifact level |
| 18:34.57 | Chipzz | the list goes on |
| 18:35.02 | nevcairiel | and that'll always be present, no matter what sort of progression the player has. progression is part of any RPG |
| 18:38.04 | Chipzz | as it should be, *to some extent* |
| 18:38.48 | Chipzz | problem is players are taking it to extremes with stuff like requesting a higher ilvl than what the instance drops in the first place |
| 18:43.27 | Chipzz | would I take a freshly dinged 120 in quest greens in a high M+? fuck no, I don't want to carry. (and that's more of an issue about not wanting to carry lazy scrubs who expect to do no effort and be taken in a M+10 the moment they ding 120 to get some quick gear instead of taking the trouble to at least do some WQs first - I despise laziness) |
| 18:44.20 | Chipzz | but I would be happy to take a skilled player who is a bit below the ilvl the instance itself drops |
| 18:49.51 | nevcairiel | unfortunately you cannot measure skill |
| 18:50.05 | nevcairiel | so unless you know someone, gear is your only avenue |
| 18:52.38 | Chipzz | Cairenn: watching CNN, looks like you were actually serious about Notre Dame... |
| 18:53.42 | Alram | yeah it is sad :( |
| 18:54.44 | AcidWeb | 800+ years of history turning in to dust. |
| 19:02.13 | nebula | they know what caused it? |
| 19:03.41 | znf | it was under renovation, so speculations are that it was caused by a welding spark, plus shitloads of constructions mats and whatever flammable substances |
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| 19:04.06 | nebula | :( |
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| 20:03.36 | Cairenn | Chipzz: You thought I wasn't? |
| 20:06.09 | Cairenn | The only 'good' news is that the artifacts, art & holy reliquaries were all gotten out - but the stained glass, the roof made of 1000 yr old trees, the ... :( |
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| 22:28.56 | Mr_Rabies | is +55% exp from heirlooms still the best possible? |
| 22:48.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah seems like it, 10% head + 10% shoulder + 10% chest +10% legs + 5% cloak +5% naval ring + 5% dread pirate ring |
