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| 03:25.12 | Simca | @Elmoe: will work on getting all the screenshots and some of that data into the bug thread today, but it appears that the issue happens before this. none of the output was right; there was never a [4] or [5] entry when there should have been in the tables |
| 03:38.27 | Elmoe | Simca: well that narrows it down at least, if it isn't showing up in either table then somehow the debuffs are getting pruned by the filtering logic |
| 03:38.56 | Elmoe | Simca: but whatever you've found in the ticket but I have to travel on Sat for work overseas so it will be a week or two |
| 03:39.11 | Simca | no worries |
| 03:39.27 | Simca | you were right that moving the debuff count up to 5 works fine as a workaround, no fight uses more than 5 atm |
| 03:46.47 | Elmoe | huh that doesn't make any sense, you are sure they weren't in either table? |
| 03:47.02 | Elmoe | the display count isn't even applied until the second table |
| 03:49.52 | Simca | two tables? the structure I saw at a glance was like: { [raid1] : { [1] blah, [2] blah, [3] blah } } with additional entries for all the raid/party units + boss units |
| 03:53.51 | Simca | ah, you're right, there were two |
| 03:54.02 | Simca | was hard to tell with so many units |
| 04:05.05 | Semlar_ | simca help |
| 04:05.29 | Semlar | there's too much drama |
| 04:05.56 | Simca | what, did people discover your site uses the dreaded, evil witchcraft of "datamining" |
| 04:06.05 | Semlar | oh they sure did |
| 04:06.23 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.32 | Simca | it spoiled new guns/content? |
| 04:07.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.06 | Simca | ah, lols |
| 04:19.46 | Simca | i'm guessing DE was like 'uhh, you datamine, go die in a dumpster fire' |
| 04:20.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.04 | Semlar | best dev |
| 04:22.52 | Simca | some day somebody will challenge that nonsense in court and we get 'you literally cannot open files that exist your system without using the game client itself to open them' shit stripped from every ToS |
| 04:23.21 | Simca | but nobody wants to throw away that much money for something nobody actually cares about |
| 04:23.35 | Simca | exist on your system* |
| 04:23.36 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.41 | Simca | yeah, i know |
| 04:24.07 | Simca | but it doesn't change that they've taken action against things like github repositories of their lua files |
| 04:24.48 | Semlar | i apparently have a lot of fans though |
| 04:24.54 | Semlar | so that's nice |
| 04:24.56 | Simca | it is |
| 04:25.11 | Simca | i thought your apology was too over the top |
| 04:25.17 | Semlar | i thought it was perfect |
| 04:25.34 | Simca | i mean, do you plan to never RE the client or datamine again? |
| 04:25.40 | Simca | because if not, you should have left that out a bit |
| 04:26.03 | Semlar | i explicitly had to agree to that |
| 04:26.17 | Simca | jesus |
| 04:26.39 | Semlar | which is kinda fair since you're not supposed to do that |
| 04:27.24 | Semlar | this has been a very strange week |
| 04:27.51 | Simca | idk. i get their problem: their team is small, so they can't take the time to vet all the data that gets shipped with their game and ensure it doesn't spoil everything ever |
| 04:28.14 | Simca | but i'm not sure the right solution is to deploy a legal team and moderation team like a pack of hungry sharks |
| 04:29.16 | Semlar | they should just hire me to vet it |
| 04:31.24 | Simca | i guess on the positive side, since nobody is allowed to look it and since they don't vet it, the client includes basically all the server data, so a private server wouldn't be hard to do if DE ever folds. |
| 04:32.06 | Semlar | it's p2p |
| 04:32.28 | Simca | i mean there's a region server |
| 04:32.35 | Simca | but yeah, i understand matches are p2p |
| 04:32.55 | Simca | but i think even all the region server data is included |
| 04:32.58 | Simca | for no reason at all |
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| 04:34.51 | Simca | i think i'm in a bored enough mood that i might extract WF before and after and do a comparison to find undoc'd changes |
| 04:35.01 | Semlar | stop hacking simca |
| 04:35.18 | Simca | yeah, clearly a leet haxxor here |
| 04:35.30 | Semlar | don't do anything i wouldn't do |
| 04:35.44 | Simca | i mean you would do it if you weren't bound to not do it, soooo |
| 04:37.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | Simca | yeah, figures, most devs are okay with OCR |
| 04:38.11 | Simca | as long as you don't use it to make bots |
| 04:38.40 | Simca | (but honestly, making bots from OCR would be so damn impressive that i would allow it if i was a game dev, just to advance technology lol) |
| 04:39.20 | Semlar | first it would have to manage to read without messing up half of the text |
| 04:40.11 | Semlar | from what i've seen so far i'm amazed we need captchas |
| 04:40.42 | Semlar | maybe it just needs a lot of tweaking |
| 04:42.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:18.24 | Elmoe | Simca: VUHDO_getUnitCustomDebuffs() returns the first table which is pre-filter, VUHDO_getDebuffIcons() returns the table of the displayed icons post-filter |
| 05:18.53 | Simca | ohhh, i only saw the message for the latter |
| 05:19.00 | Simca | ok |
| 05:19.09 | Simca | my bad |
| 05:19.29 | Simca | i'll get more n \ |
| 05:19.40 | Simca | on saturday then |
| 05:19.57 | Simca | (sorry, hard to type, cat sleeping on part of keyboard and it is triggering key rollover limits) |
| 05:20.03 | Elmoe | do keep in mind that if you don't have a displayable slot available when you first get the debuff, then it won't show again even if a slot opens up unless the debuff gets updated (duration, index, icon) |
| 05:20.36 | Elmoe | thats how its always worked btw but I can fix that just haven't had time |
| 05:21.11 | Simca | yeah i didn't realize that before. we'll see if there is actually a problem or if it is just that |
| 05:21.32 | Elmoe | that would make sense because if you run with only 2 slots then it would happen a lot |
| 05:21.38 | Elmoe | versus if you run with 5 almost never |
| 05:23.25 | Simca | yeah it could just be that there's a lot higher amount of debuffs in BFA so i didn't notice it before |
| 05:23.56 | Simca | fights like opulence and m+ combos like necrotic + reaping + sanguine are when it is at its worst |
| 05:25.55 | Simca | opulence is a good example of why it would be a great improvement to make, fwiw. some buffs/debuffs there last like 9s (gold one) or even shorter (brilliance aura). while multiple others last 30-60+ seconds. if a short one is up when a long one gets applied (or even worse, a permanent one), then you'll never see it |
| 05:30.31 | Simca | again not a problem at 5 unless blizzard makes a crazy ridiculous fight, but 3 is default, even if the option to view all debuffs is not. |
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| 06:14.05 | Elmoe | Simca: yeah I don't think the original author intended people to run like that but its common nowadays |
| 06:14.19 | Elmoe | I display all buffs myself and just filter |
| 06:14.28 | Elmoe | but you can tell Iza intended people to just add the ones they wanted really |
| 06:15.00 | Simca | yeah, the thing is that honestly almost everything is relevant these days in m+, every single trash mob's debuff even lol |
| 06:16.11 | Elmoe | yeah M+ really changed the equation |
| 06:16.42 | Elmoe | I'll get it changed but I have to go to India for work all next week |
| 06:16.50 | Elmoe | and then I'll be tired as fuck when I get home |
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| 15:49.34 | znf | Trading now only works in major cities. With these changes we hope to make the world seem bigger, bringing players together and discourage giving others your righfully earned loot. (by runnyyyy) |
| 15:49.37 | znf | From https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/ayn0c5/predict_the_next_unnecessary_random_change_in_wow/ |
| 15:49.47 | znf | I mean, that doesn't even sound /that/ far fetched |
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| 16:00.39 | ls- | and "Water Strider now works only in Pandaria for Lore Reasons you probably don't want to know (by baycityvince)" actually happened during legion beta |
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| 17:08.25 | Simca | Semlar: you know what'd be massively useful in warframe with OCR? putting market prices on this screen: https://i.imgur.com/E7JQZCe.jpg |
| 17:09.13 | Semlar | i honestly don't know how they would feel about me making an overlay for the game |
| 17:10.23 | Semlar | it would be almost the same thing as what they've told me is ok in terms of using OCR for scanning chat messages |
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| 17:51.02 | Simca | in general i've just started picking warframe pieces, but the prices still wildly vary. it's really hard to know that, for example, the uncommon quality volt prime systems is worth more than the rare mesa prime neuroptics |
| 17:51.13 | Simca | and the game gives you 15 seconds to realize that |
| 17:54.34 | Semlar | in general the items are color coded to show you how many ducats they vendor for, but some items are "vaulted" which increases their value to other players for being currently unobtainable |
| 17:55.05 | Semlar | so if someone is using a vaulted relic you can still get items that don't currently drop |
| 18:14.38 | Simca | yeah |
| 18:14.44 | Simca | but neither of those relic types are |
| 18:14.59 | Simca | one is just really hard to get, and unless you know every single relic type off the top of your head |
| 18:15.13 | Simca | then rip you missed out |
| 18:16.40 | Semlar | if you're only after it to sell for plat |
| 18:17.11 | Simca | i mean, even if you are farming ducats, if a volt prime systems pops up, that sells for 35p |
| 18:17.15 | Simca | i would take that |
| 18:17.58 | Semlar | this is warframe dev now |
| 18:18.36 | Simca | actually it's #semlardev |
| 18:18.39 | Simca | didn't you know? |
| 18:19.14 | Semlar | i'm an equal-opportunity dever |
| 18:24.06 | Semlar | so far i hate OCR |
| 18:25.26 | Semlar | i'm actually impressed at how bad this is at reading pretty clear text, i'm looking into how to improve it |
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| 20:31.09 | znf | lol https://i.redd.it/3l00gqeuoxk21.png |
| 21:22.25 | MentalPower | Today I had reason at work to dig up one of Slouken's timeless quotes: http://www.blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/231117.htm |
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| 22:04.13 | Funkeh` | "Your connection is not secure - The owner of www.blue.cardplace.com has configured their website improperly" |
| 22:05.20 | nevcairiel | its a website from 2005, they didnt have https then =p |
| 22:18.17 | znf | https was expensive back then |
| 22:18.56 | znf | both cert and actual resources used :D |
| 22:19.06 | znf | plus, no SNI! |
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