| 00:14.03 | TSquare | @AcidWeb I'm not familiar with those cvars are they on PTR? I'll ask around. |
| 00:14.23 | Stanzilla_ | yes |
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| 01:17.14 | Cairenn | ing |
| 01:20.16 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> echo |
| 01:22.21 | znf | echo-cho-o |
| 01:50.15 | MentalPower | IRC was being weird. All these +r channels are annoying. |
| 01:59.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.59 | MentalPower | I know |
| 02:05.02 | Cairenn | snuggles MentalPower |
| 02:09.03 | MentalPower | snuggles back |
| 02:09.21 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:10.14 | MentalPower | Iâm heading home, got a headache and donât want it to get to migraine levels. |
| 02:10.37 | Cairenn | :( |
| 02:11.19 | znf | MentalPower, blame it on the pedo-spammers :-/ |
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| 07:06.23 | AcidWeb | TSquare: Yes. They are part of Blizzard_TexelSnappingVisualizer. |
| 07:08.21 | AcidWeb | And it looks like can be used to disable that new pixel snapping globally. |
| 07:36.06 | Simca | Elmoe: I ran it earlier in a dungeon, but didn't get to a situation where I had enough debuffs to push stuff off. However, I did find situations where the debuffs were in the wrong slot, which is when I ran it. What happened was: Tank got 1 debuff, then another. the first fell off, but the second remained in slot 2. I think this is actually the problem perhaps - that vuhdo debuffs don't recalculate and readjust which slot they should be |
| 07:36.06 | Simca | in. So if a tank gets 4 debuffs and the 2nd and 3rd one drops, maybe that's why 1 is hidden - because it one is in slot [1] and the other [4] and they aren't moved. |
| 07:37.40 | Simca | i'll keep watching out for it though; the full issue will probably crop up during my tuesday raid at some point |
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| 12:27.13 | znf | https://www.wowhead.com/news=290485/new-portal-rooms-in-patch-8-1-5#portals-removed |
| 12:27.15 | znf | ah yes, sure |
| 12:27.18 | znf | just great |
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| 16:11.26 | Semlar | Simca: are you playing warframe? |
| 16:11.44 | Simca | yarp |
| 16:11.55 | Semlar | i just saw a simca talking in region chat |
| 16:12.04 | Alram | probably that one |
| 16:12.06 | Simca | there are no simcas, we're all invisible |
| 16:12.13 | Semlar | how many could there be |
| 16:12.57 | Simca | i am all of them, simultaneously |
| 16:13.09 | Semlar | at least 1600 apparently |
| 16:13.33 | Simca | that's my battletag lol, i was so lazy when it rejected Simca as an available username that i was like 'screw it, Simca1640' |
| 16:14.43 | Semlar | we are legion |
| 16:15.31 | Simca | i started playing literally last week or so for first time; kind of amazed by how good the gameplay is, even if some of the meta systems are grindy |
| 16:16.09 | Semlar | yeah it's pretty grindy |
| 16:16.57 | Simca | yeah but i don't really mind that so far because the matches are a lot of fun |
| 16:17.46 | Simca | it's the classic style of FPS where moving fast, bouncing off walls, and shooting enemies at mach 2 is acceptable and standard practice, which is fantastic |
| 16:23.00 | Semlar | the movement system is pretty great |
| 16:23.40 | Semlar | if i didn't have friends who introduced me to the game i probably wouldn't have understood any of it though |
| 16:24.03 | Semlar | that was years ago, i'm not sure what the new player experience is like now |
| 16:25.36 | Simca | not good |
| 16:26.14 | Simca | but several hours on the wiki has helped a lot, i get it now |
| 16:26.46 | Semlar | the wiki and an adblocker help |
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| 17:06.38 | znf | >What content are folks doing in like CoT that the portal helps so much with? What about other areas? How much time do you think the new setup will add to your journey? |
| 17:06.48 | znf | Are these guys even playing this game anymore? |
| 17:26.36 | Mr_Rabies | there is no world of warcraft, if it doesn't happen in kul'tiras or zandalar there's no reason for it to exist, obviously |
| 17:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | also that's not really an argument to delete the portal, it's just covering for a large company's shitty decision for some reason lol |
| 17:28.06 | Mr_Rabies | this game is going to be "why do you need x"ed to death |
| 17:28.55 | nevcairiel | too much convenience makes playing meaningless, but that is not something players with their short-sighted instant-gratification mentality ever get, so why bother arguing =p |
| 17:29.35 | Simca | yeah nev, i get what they're trying to accomplish, but they don't seem to understand that the negative impact on the game from the bad PR every time they do this is 100x more harmful to the game's long-term than the gain would be |
| 17:29.53 | Mr_Rabies | well obviously there was a need for that convenience at some point |
| 17:30.05 | Mr_Rabies | why would it suddenly disappear when the current content moves |
| 17:30.34 | nevcairiel | i dont think there was a real n eed for all the portals in legion dalaran outside of the artifact quests, and they could've just spawned the portals when you were on t hat quest |
| 17:31.05 | nevcairiel | we went to karazhan an entire expansion long without a portal, why did it need one now? it didnt |
| 17:31.06 | Mr_Rabies | why didn't they, then? |
| 17:31.09 | Mr_Rabies | they wanted the convenience there |
| 17:31.22 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately they've built the game to be more and more convenient and most of the people that were here for the grind left long ago for private servers |
| 17:31.23 | Simca | tbh it was probably for flavor |
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| 17:31.27 | nevcairiel | they probably just cheaped out, rather put them there p ermanently then figure out quest attachment |
| 17:31.45 | nevcairiel | and please, 2 minutes travel time is not a grind =p |
| 17:31.46 | Simca | that inner sanctum area was supposed to be like a personal area for mages, it made sense |
| 17:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | so they've replaced their userbase through their design, and trying to rein it in more and more is just running people off |
| 17:32.42 | Mr_Rabies | the people that were there for the grind aren't coming back because they're making it slower to get anywhere |
| 17:32.51 | nevcairiel | for all i care, the more instant-gratification people leave the game, the better :) |
| 17:32.55 | Mr_Rabies | they're still off playing warframe and FF 14 |
| 17:33.26 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, even boralus has at most like 10 people in it on my server, and we're considered medium population |
| 17:33.34 | Semlar | i think nevcairiel might be a masochist |
| 17:33.37 | Mr_Rabies | and it's not because people are grinding world quests |
| 17:33.56 | nevcairiel | our server is pretty small, and there is probably 5 people on the table ship alone at all times |
| 17:34.27 | Mr_Rabies | so eventually as all these people leave they're going to start adding more and more awful microtransactions to keep revenue up, and then eventually close the game |
| 17:34.32 | nevcairiel | nevermind everyone else running a round between the flight point and various vendors |
| 17:34.52 | Simca | i think he's playing devil's advocate, and i get the argument. the tricky thing is knowing whether or not this is an active intention at blizzard or just an oversight. like did they spend an hour or two in meetings arguing about the portal removal or was this just a case where they thought they covered everything but didn't |
| 17:34.59 | Simca | who knows? |
| 17:35.33 | Semlar | what did they do |
| 17:35.35 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't really see a reason to remove them at all, especially if they're not getting replaced |
| 17:36.12 | Mr_Rabies | they removed basically all of the portals in the world except the ones in the new portal area, which cover a fraction of the places they used to |
| 17:36.28 | Semlar | ah |
| 17:36.33 | Simca | removed every portal from old capitals to build a new portal room in org, except the new room in org is missing a few of them like jade forest, karazhan, CoT, IF/TB, and a few others |
| 17:36.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's missing more than it has |
| 17:36.54 | Semlar | maybe they're trying to make mages more relevant |
| 17:37.14 | Simca | that was one of the things they mentioned, except mages don't have portals to any of those locations either except TB/IF |
| 17:37.35 | Simca | the fastest way to CoT is still uldum portal, which mages can't do either |
| 17:37.37 | Mr_Rabies | they are the only source of a necessary raid buff and have heroism, what else could they do to make people want to play them? |
| 17:37.44 | Semlar | to be honest, all the random portals everywhere kinda made it feel like a private server |
| 17:38.26 | AcidWeb | Generally recently is hard to say where feature ends and bug start. |
| 17:38.27 | Mr_Rabies | i think they could have reined in a few of them, but they basically deleted all of them and started over with just bare bones stuff |
| 17:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, especially when EVERY new feature that is timegated is broken for a week or two, AcidWeb |
| 17:39.11 | Simca | kara portal was probably worthless, people only really used it because they didn't know about blasted lands port |
| 17:39.17 | Simca | it's like 30 sec from kara |
| 17:39.24 | Simca | CoT one is more annoying |
| 17:39.30 | Mr_Rabies | it is, but it makes sense from a lore perspective |
| 17:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | the kirin tor would probably want to keep an eye on the place |
| 17:40.25 | Simca | and the CoT ones both had dragons standing next to them (both the Dalaran and Shattrath ones) |
| 17:41.24 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't really see the reason - it's not like they're opening portals to every zone in the current content |
| 17:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | this is mostly convenience to older content, and most of the current portals made sense in the game world |
| 17:42.28 | Mr_Rabies | either they were focused in areas where the kirin tor operate, or were in areas with a significant reason for alliance forces to be there during that expansion |
| 17:43.06 | Mr_Rabies | or horde forces, obviously lol |
| 17:43.30 | Semlar | maybe they should release a warcraft 2 and start from scratch instead of building on layers of outdated content |
| 17:43.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's not like they just had a single room with portals to every zone |
| 17:43.41 | Mr_Rabies | honestly not at this point semlar |
| 17:43.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather see if blizzard can recover from their current bullshit first |
| 17:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | let the current blizzard at least try to build something on the corpse they've been desecrating for years now, it's got a strong enough base to support a little more |
| 17:44.54 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise we'll just get something like diablo 3 or overwatch |
| 17:45.24 | Mr_Rabies | or heroes of the storm |
| 17:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | jesus that one's so bad i totally forgot about it lol |
| 17:48.20 | Simca | this is why i think the decision was dumb, even if they thought they had something to gain by reducing convenience - the public fight they get for removing like 3 portals that cut maybe a minute off of convenience is incredibly destructive and the negative harm from that massively outweighs the benefits they think they could get |
| 17:48.45 | Simca | maybe one day they'll realize that |
| 17:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | it just feels like everything at this point is designed to maximize the "time played" metric |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | honestly the amount of backlash is the same no matter what they change these days |
| 17:49.01 | Mr_Rabies | instead of out of any good design decision |
| 17:49.02 | nevcairiel | thats not an argument at all anymore |
| 17:49.21 | Mr_Rabies | to be fair, nevcairiel the only way to get them to change anything is to start a huge shitstorm at this point |
| 17:49.22 | nevcairiel | more convenience, less convenience, no change, a large group will complain |
| 17:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | they will ignore everything else |
| 17:49.30 | nevcairiel | and they should |
| 17:49.38 | nevcairiel | players want the wrong things 99.9% of the time |
| 17:49.44 | Simca | not really nev, they're cutting into a different set of players with this change, and it's a different part complaining |
| 17:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | their game is dying |
| 17:49.49 | Mr_Rabies | if they don't listen it will be dead |
| 17:49.57 | nevcairiel | the game has been dying for 10 years |
| 17:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | and no one gives a shit about a dead game that was designed well |
| 17:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | no one talks about jedi knight 2 anymore |
| 17:51.05 | Simca | i don't like the dead/dying game arguments. all games have a lifespan, focusing on that won't help the discussion. |
| 17:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | that's an example of a very well designed game, it lived its life and made its money and no one talks about it |
| 17:51.34 | Mr_Rabies | the problem is they want to make money off of wow for the rest of time, if possible |
| 17:51.46 | nevcairiel | well duh ,thats what every company wants |
| 17:51.52 | Mr_Rabies | and if they just shut up and keep implementing things the way they want they're going to keep hemmoraging paypigs more and more |
| 17:52.04 | nevcairiel | people make this out to be the worst crime in history "company is out to make money" |
| 17:52.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's not at all |
| 17:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | but if they refuse to listen to the people giving them that money, they will get no money |
| 17:52.40 | Mr_Rabies | and they've been making some really really poor design decisions in the past few expansions |
| 17:53.04 | Mr_Rabies | legion had a lot of poor design that was covered up with good raid and world design |
| 17:53.04 | nevcairiel | thats what people always say about the last few expansions |
| 17:53.10 | Simca | i think this is the wrong decision if they want to make money. removing convienence for raiders is one thing. removing convenience for altoholics, transmog runners, and the silent masses who make up the game's main playerbase? you done messed up. |
| 17:53.27 | Mr_Rabies | but bfa has stripped everything out that was left |
| 17:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | everything remaining feels like instead of trying to keep me playing with fun, it's trying to keep me playing because it's my job |
| 17:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | and i refuse to do that bullshit so i basically just login to raid |
| 18:05.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's getting harder and harder to really justify paying for the game, since recruitment is getting harder and harder as people flee this sinking ship |
| 18:05.49 | Mr_Rabies | we're at the point where we're paying real money for people to transfer to our dead server |
| 18:06.11 | Mr_Rabies | and we're not a high end guild, we're like 10th on the server at 6/9 heroic down |
| 18:07.34 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> And they made it to where you can have all 50 characters on a single realm. I think it's a money grab for people who want to always be on the same server but couldn't before. |
| 18:22.19 | nevcairiel | see, people ask for a change (this was litereally a question in a Q&A), they do it, and immediately people come out of the woodwork complaining about it or calling i an evil cash grab |
| 18:23.20 | Alram | it is how the world turns |
| 18:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | that doesn't really pass the smell test at all |
| 18:42.24 | Mr_Rabies | that's just convenience, and hopefully they make it so you can have more than one DH per server |
| 18:42.45 | Mr_Rabies | even if it's limited somehow, more than 1 would be nice |
| 18:49.11 | AcidWeb | People who playing on 1440p - could you show me output of /dump PixelUtil.GetNearestPixelSize(1, 0.53333) ? |
| 18:49.52 | AcidWeb | you probably will be forced to change button size |
| 18:49.59 | AcidWeb | eh wrong window |
| 19:05.52 | Semlar | did freenode just link to an article from 5 months ago for details on something they just enabled |
| 19:11.44 | Mr_Rabies | i think they enabled it a while ago, but i dunno |
| 19:11.46 | nebula | i imagine it's something they only turn on when needed |
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| 20:27.06 | Elmoe | Simca: that is the expected behavior actually, if you have debuff A, B, C, then B expires, A and C stay in slots 1 and 3 and then the next debuff you get will take slot 2 |
| 20:27.19 | Elmoe | Simca: just tested again and this is working as expected |
| 20:27.49 | Simca | yeah i think the issue is that if you have A, B, C, and D, and B drops, D will stay hidden |
| 20:28.13 | Elmoe | correct |
| 20:28.17 | Elmoe | thats not a regression though |
| 20:28.36 | Elmoe | or maybe I'm not understanding |
| 20:29.00 | Simca | nah, it's just a theory. the bug is a lot harder to encounter on non-necrotic weeks |
| 20:29.13 | Simca | i haven't gotten it to happen properly yet |
| 20:29.30 | Elmoe | hmm let me follow that thread though |
| 20:29.49 | Elmoe | also the key thing is just run /dump VUHDO_getDebuffIcons() when the issue happens and capture the state of that table and put it in the ticket |
| 20:30.00 | Simca | yeah will do |
| 20:31.15 | Elmoe | yeah let me debug this more I think you may be right because the key difference is you run with only 3 slots |
| 20:31.19 | Elmoe | whereas I run with the max |
| 20:33.46 | Simca | it's probably desirable that D would take B's slot in that case, and it should probably be changed to do that. but i'm not sure if that's what i'm encountering or not. it's hard to tell because in m+ there's a lot of debuffs that exist only for a fraction of a second. that week where it was happening constantly, it was necrotic (debuff) + sanguine (very, very brief debuff) |
| 20:34.13 | Simca | so it's possible sanguine was eating up slots quickly and i wasn't noticing |
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