| 00:06.44 | Semlar | the cloud-things tend to have multiple servers that don't go down at the same time |
| 00:12.01 | znf | ^ |
| 00:13.49 | znf | kd3, compared to Mumble, I'd rather use TeamSpeak |
| 00:13.57 | znf | Mumble's permission system is just... dumb |
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| 00:15.30 | znf | Dear Diary, today I've spent yet another ~6 hours on Mekka HC |
| 00:19.08 | nevcairiel | Semlar: you would think so, but then it still happens occasionally that your discord is not available = p |
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| 00:26.42 | Semlar | i've only seen discord be truly unavailable once or twice in the few years it's been around |
| 00:33.08 | Semlar | it's good to have an alternative, but it's not a frequent problem |
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| 00:33.34 | znf | just use in-game voicechat! |
| 00:33.35 | znf | :D |
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| 01:19.57 | Simca | znf: 'radar' style stuff is definitely not allowed. it reads the game's memory for gameobject positions in order to show you spawns far beyond what the minimap would show even with the old Find Treasure racial, up to the game's draw distance (bar some latency) |
| 01:20.26 | Simca | and yeah people have used that kind of thing for years, mainly for hard to find objects like netherwing eggs |
| 01:20.36 | znf | I'm aware |
| 01:22.02 | znf | :) |
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| 02:02.53 | znf | Mind Vision |
| 02:02.56 | znf | "Unlimited" Range |
| 02:03.04 | znf | that's how it should say on the tooltip |
| 02:03.10 | znf | or with an asterisk: |
| 02:03.23 | znf | * Limited only by shard/phase range, then good luck |
| 02:14.29 | Azxiana | I remember it working across world servers in the person was in your group. |
| 02:14.47 | Azxiana | *A long time ago. |
| 02:24.34 | znf | A very long time ago |
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| 02:40.05 | znf | add 2 more hours to me trying to pug mekka hc |
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| 20:17.31 | Stanzilla_ | foxlit: do you want to update https://www.townlong-yak.com/waco/ with our new compression format? it's https://github.com/SafeteeWoW/LibDeflate |
| 20:37.24 | Gnarfoz | someone should implement zstd in Lua! :p |
| 20:37.52 | tz | zpaq tbh |
| 20:38.53 | Gnarfoz | doubtful that's better |
| 20:41.08 | TomCat | what is the goal of the compression? reduce RAM footprint for less frequently accessed data, improve load time, or what? |
| 20:41.20 | nevcairiel | make copy paste smaller |
| 20:41.38 | TomCat | so it's only used for delivery? |
| 20:43.41 | TomCat | how large do these weak auras get? |
| 20:44.18 | TomCat | just curious - only ever used one |
| 20:49.25 | Gnarfoz | you can have groups and share them as one |
| 20:49.27 | Gnarfoz | so, pretty big |
| 20:50.10 | nevcairiel | some people write huge class UIs in them |
| 20:50.11 | nevcairiel | so yeah |
| 20:50.31 | TomCat | is there a paste size limit in the WoW client? |
| 20:53.41 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 20:53.57 | Gnarfoz | well, various limits and various ways to work around them ^^ |
| 20:55.01 | TomCat | just surprises me is all that these get large enough, even in groups, to reach said limit... never tried myself to break it personally though so who knows |
| 20:55.43 | TomCat | I guess the saved vars limits could come into play though |
| 20:56.48 | Gnarfoz | doubtful |
| 20:56.56 | Gnarfoz | https://wago.io/weakauras |
| 20:56.59 | Gnarfoz | enjoy ;D |
| 21:06.43 | Stanzilla_ | savedvars are not encoded |
| 21:06.48 | Stanzilla_ | it's mostly for transmission ingame |
| 21:08.27 | Stanzilla_ | https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/issues/406 if you are interested in some benchmarks |
| 21:08.39 | TomCat | yes I am - thanks |
| 21:12.04 | TomCat | ahhhh GPL - damn |
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| 21:29.09 | Stanzilla_ | what's your problem with GPL |
| 21:29.32 | TomCat | copyleft |
| 21:30.09 | TomCat | to use XYZ library means then my whole application must also be GPL |
| 21:30.35 | Gnarfoz | if you publish it, that is |
| 21:31.20 | nevcairiel | GPL for libraries is also sort-of discouraged, should use LGPL if possible |
| 21:31.47 | TomCat | or better yet apache 2.0 |
| 21:33.42 | Gnarfoz | or WTFPL |
| 21:34.14 | TomCat | exactly |
| 21:45.47 | TomCat | I'll give a fictional example... let's say nev writes the most awesome auction house addon that makes TSM look like a toy in comparison... but nev used a GPL'd library. TSM wants to buy rights to the addon to use it as their own - but discovers the GPL'd library has tainted the license making it |
| 21:45.47 | TomCat | impossible for TSM to prevent others from building off of the same... TSM decides not to move forward with this |
| 21:46.43 | Gnarfoz | sounds like it achieved its goal |
| 21:46.52 | Gnarfoz | by preventing fuckery like that :P |
| 21:47.24 | TomCat | prevent or create? |
| 21:47.31 | TomCat | guess it depends on the perspective |
| 21:49.03 | TomCat | most often we as developers are interested in writing software... not in becoming lawyers for fear of using a library that we thought was free only to find out it came with strings attached |
| 21:49.26 | Gnarfoz | maybe us developers should be aware that law exists? |
| 21:50.05 | TomCat | as I am, hence why I won't touch something that has GPL on it |
| 21:50.47 | Gnarfoz | if you want to preserve the opportunity to "sell out", as it were, that seems wise |
| 21:51.36 | foxlit | Stanzilla_: no. |
| 21:52.08 | TomCat | if/when those who are winning the 'capitalism game' stop winning or capitalism goes away, we all have to play the game unfortunately |
| 21:52.25 | Stanzilla_ | foxlit: sadface |
| 21:54.23 | Gnarfoz | well, trying to make money off of WoW addons seems like a needlessly complicated avenue, considering the addon guidelines |
| 21:55.37 | nevcairiel | over all the years, i have made plenty money :) |
| 21:56.13 | Gnarfoz | s/y /y directly/ |
| 21:56.17 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:57.13 | TomCat | there are opportunities to be had while doing something enjoyable - that doesn't seem needlessly complicated ot me |
| 21:57.25 | TomCat | s/ot to |
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| 21:58.31 | TomCat | if I can do well enough to where I can sustain launching my non-profit unrelated to WoW, which I believe I can, that's well enough for me |
| 21:58.34 | Gnarfoz | if that means buying something out so nobody else can use it, it would certainly put a blemish on the enjoyment for me ^^ |
| 21:59.35 | TomCat | hint: sell out only if it's a good enough deal that what you gain from it is worth more to you than what you gave up |
| 22:00.57 | TomCat | but, alas, some people still own every car they've ever owned and they are all parked up and down the street where they live |
| 22:02.11 | Simca | in south carolina they stack them |
| 22:02.17 | Simca | on the front lawn |
| 22:02.20 | TomCat | letting go of stuff is hard... I've had to let go of plenty - I know |
| 22:02.21 | Simca | it's like a competition |
| 22:02.45 | Simca | i went through a rural SC neighborhood on the way to school every day and it was super amusing seeing the stacked cars all over |
| 22:03.09 | Simca | it was really surreal tbh |
| 22:03.28 | TomCat | were they intending to collect them - or did they just stop running and they couldn't afford to get them towed away? |
| 22:03.36 | Simca | the latter i think |
| 22:03.55 | Simca | couldn't afford/didn't care |