| 00:02.32 | Ressy | If I remember correctly, there was a Broker addon or something? |
| 00:05.50 | znf | foxlit, what do you mean no viable missions? https://i.imgur.com/ma2XzCP.png |
| 00:06.15 | znf | s/mission/group/ |
| 00:06.46 | Ressy | Mr_Rabies: https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/broker_kaddonmsg ? |
| 00:07.06 | Mr_Rabies | i will give that a shot, ressy, thanks :D |
| 00:07.26 | Ressy | Not sure if thats the one I used to use or not... Its kinda old. |
| 00:12.35 | foxlit | znf: generally, that there are no groups with which you could start that mission. |
| 00:16.36 | foxlit | in that case, it looks like that mission expires in 3 seconds. Dunno the rest of the context; maybe there's some weird interaction with mission completion not releasing followers immediately, or something else entirely. |
| 00:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | seems like it's no longer working Ressy, but thanks anyway :( |
| 00:19.09 | znf | I didn't complete a mission recently |
| 00:19.33 | znf | All my followers have been "home" for hours |
| 00:33.21 | foxlit | maybe it already expired and something just fudged the timestamps. |
| 00:37.06 | foxlit | ... er, the warfront parachute just pathed back up to the ship |
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| 00:44.58 | ccox | Cairenn: HUG |
| 00:46.13 | Ressy | I had that too |
| 00:49.04 | Cairenn | hugs ccox |
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| 01:31.41 | foxlit | GetSpellInfo("Champion's Treadblade") == "Champion's Treadblade" -- on a Horde character if that mount is in the battle.net account's collection. |
| 01:32.31 | foxlit | yet GetSpellInfo("Brown Horse") == nil in the same set of circumstances. |
| 01:32.50 | foxlit | Why is the silly bike special? |
| 01:35.33 | znf | foxlit, I get [03:35:20] empty result |
| 01:35.41 | znf | when I /dump GetSpellInfo("Champion's Treadblade") |
| 01:36.18 | foxlit | and do you actually have the mount? |
| 01:36.20 | nevcairiel | maybe he owns it and you dont |
| 01:36.23 | znf | only the horde version :D |
| 01:36.28 | znf | yeah, I don't own it |
| 01:36.48 | znf | in totally unrelated news |
| 01:36.54 | znf | wtf is up with blizzard's servers? |
| 01:37.01 | znf | [03:36:35] Transfer Aborted: instance not found |
| 01:37.04 | znf | [03:36:39] Your equipped items suffer a 10% durability loss. |
| 01:37.07 | znf | [03:36:39] [You died.] |
| 01:38.44 | foxlit | znf: you should be able to do the reverse with the horde bike name on an alliance char. |
| 01:39.05 | znf | I'm not even sure if I have an alliance char |
| 01:39.09 | znf | (that can ride mounts) |
| 01:39.38 | foxlit | (I tested on the PTR; the bike didn't seem to be worth the price tag) |
| 01:40.24 | foxlit | also lame: "You must delete all your mail to switch factions" (fine, log, find a mailbox, delete the brewfest spam, try again) "You have too much gold to switch factions." |
| 01:40.56 | znf | heh |
| 01:40.57 | znf | I feel you |
| 01:41.40 | znf | I realize that my OPie ring for mounts is totally useless |
| 01:42.01 | foxlit | how so? |
| 01:43.22 | znf | I use 3 mounts in total |
| 01:43.36 | znf | azure waterstrider 99% of the time |
| 01:43.43 | znf | which is bound to middle-click |
| 01:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | i bound middle click to flip the camera way back in vanilla, or that was the default at some point |
| 01:44.14 | Mr_Rabies | and i use it a lot |
| 01:45.03 | znf | then I have shift+z for flying mount, which is Obsidian Nightwing |
| 01:45.18 | znf | and the only mount I use from my OPie ring is the traveller's mamoth thingie |
| 01:45.20 | znf | (for vendors) |
| 01:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | i use 1,2,3,4,6 for stances/forms/other stuff on the stancebar |
| 01:45.38 | znf | yet I have 6 mounts on it |
| 01:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | numpad 1-6 |
| 01:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | numpad 5 is my litemount binding |
| 01:49.04 | znf | Whenever I see an alliance complaining on reddit about warmode, I want to tell him to go fuck himself |
| 01:49.47 | znf | I just mind my own business, doing a WQ, then some alliance attacks me, absolutely 0 reasons |
| 01:53.23 | foxlit | maybe you killed their father in a previous pvp engagement. |
| 01:55.14 | foxlit | znf: azure waterstrider 99% of the time << remember when they limited that mount to Pandaria to not make all future mounts obsolete? :P |
| 01:56.37 | znf | I honestly don't understand this guy |
| 01:56.40 | znf | he's a disc priest |
| 01:56.41 | znf | I'm shadow |
| 01:56.56 | znf | there's literally no way either one of us can die, unless it's of boredom |
| 01:57.07 | znf | he engaged me about 4 times |
| 01:57.10 | znf | every time he run away |
| 01:57.55 | Stanzilla_ | maybe he still needs to quest to kill one player in zone x :D |
| 01:58.08 | znf | in Drustvar?! |
| 01:58.13 | znf | this week was Nazmir afaik |
| 02:03.24 | znf | Regarding quests |
| 02:03.41 | znf | I would like to buy a beer to the quest designer that makes objects interactable while you are in combat |
| 02:03.58 | znf | And a big "fuck you, who hurt you, you asshole?" to the guy who makes quest items interactions break on damage |
| 02:04.34 | znf | The inconsistency has been pissing me off for at least 2 expansions now |
| 02:05.20 | znf | Also, a case of beers to the guy who makes quest with progress bars that can be completed either by killing stuff or looting stuff |
| 02:05.27 | znf | ie: mix and match |
| 02:05.31 | znf | those are the best |
| 02:07.02 | Stanzilla_ | yeh hate that as well |
| 02:07.27 | Stanzilla_ | also how not everything is group/multi lootable while questing |
| 02:09.00 | znf | especially the items with a low drop-rate |
| 02:09.10 | znf | you get out of sync with your group, which is incredibly annoying |
| 02:09.17 | znf | guy1 is at 80% because he lucked out |
| 02:09.19 | znf | guy2 is at 10% |
| 02:12.01 | znf | but seriously, the best quests are the ones that you can either collect an item or kill stuff in the same area - the "recover azerite" ones |
| 02:12.14 | znf | best shit, maybe one day I'm feeling murderous and I want to kill everything in sight |
| 02:12.24 | znf | maybe another day I just feel pacifist and just loot shit around |
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| 12:11.10 | Chipzz | what's the signature of Frame::CreateMaskTexture ? same as Frame::CreateTexture? |
| 12:37.34 | nebula | CreateMaskTexture doesn't accept any args, afaik |
| 12:38.45 | foxlit | in unrelated news, it seems you can't create a google account without giving google your phone number |
| 12:38.54 | Chipzz | https://wow.gamepedia.com/Widget_API and https://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55368&highlight=MaskTexture both disagree with you |
| 12:39.09 | Chipzz | unfortunately they also disagree with each other |
| 12:39.30 | Chipzz | TSquare or TheDanW? |
| 12:41.40 | foxlit | I'd ignore the wowpedia entry, as it seems to be a straight copy-paste of createtexture, and it's not obvious that things like layers would make sense |
| 12:42.37 | Chipzz | foxlit: I agree layers not making sense. but then again, MaskTextures are within layers in the XML too |
| 12:43.28 | Chipzz | also on a related note, does Frame:CreateLine accept a sublevel? |
| 12:44.53 | foxlit | sounds like something you could check in 15 seconds by running the client :) |
| 12:45.21 | Chipzz | aren't extra args simply ignored? |
| 12:46.15 | Chipzz | (C++ side you would check lua_gettop(L) > x, which would mean sublevel might be silently ignored |
| 12:46.19 | foxlit | see if it draws the line on top of/below textures at specific sublevels |
| 12:46.57 | Chipzz | but I'll just try passing in invalid args and hope to get a usage message |
| 12:49.31 | Chipzz | (I also just noticed that I wasn't parsing the sublevel arg for :CreateTexture in my emulator, which was just silently!! ignored) |
| 12:59.45 | Chipzz | no usage message :( |
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| 14:52.00 | Chipzz | rolls eyes... these "No Changes" people are starting to get really tiring |
| 14:52.28 | Chipzz | https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2453936-Would-really-love-the-TBC-sparkles-on-herbs , sparkling herbs, WHAT A GAMEBREAKER |
| 14:52.28 | znf | no idea what you're talking about |
| 14:52.38 | znf | ah, no |
| 14:52.45 | znf | You don't get any change. |
| 14:52.48 | znf | I agree. |
| 14:52.55 | znf | You wanted the vanilla shit experience? You get it. |
| 14:53.04 | Chipzz | actually I didn't :) |
| 14:53.08 | Chipzz | othr people did |
| 14:53.24 | Chipzz | I'ld be open to a lot of QoL changes |
| 14:53.49 | znf | Nope. The vanilla crowd is full of snowflakes. You didn't get sparkles on "private" servers. |
| 14:54.12 | Chipzz | quite frankly even with the yellow dot on the minimap and with the sparkling in TBC and beyond I often find those herbs hrd to find |
| 14:54.32 | Chipzz | you're confusing me with the snowflakes :P |
| 14:56.11 | znf | be thankful you're getting a relatively new client |
| 14:56.30 | znf | I would just slap the 1.12 client and make you need to install Windows XP to run it |
| 14:58.12 | Chipzz | that's fine because I would run it under wine on linux anyway :P |
| 14:58.34 | Chipzz | the recent client actually requires a lot heavier PC than the original |
| 14:58.42 | Chipzz | "NO CHANGES!!!!!" |
| 15:04.49 | Alram | znf: or just stick with really old clients that have a linux build |
| 15:04.55 | Alram | super-classic |
| 15:05.07 | Alram | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5JuVccgXOw |
| 15:06.05 | znf | sounds perfect |
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| 17:08.09 | Mr_Rabies | i think that as few as possible gameplay or visual changes should happen to classic, but possibly have a timewalking server mode for "classic-lite" experiences with all the QoL stuff added |
| 17:08.28 | Mr_Rabies | sparkles/highlights, group finder, etc |
| 17:08.43 | nevcairiel | I dont think they are interested in adding 5 different modes with different stages of features =p |
| 17:09.09 | Mr_Rabies | probably not, but i think if they only have two modes it should be no changes, and battle for azeroth |
| 17:09.44 | Mr_Rabies | if they have 3, add a mode that uses bfa's baseline with classic's item/skill/loot database |
| 17:09.46 | znf | so where do they stop? |
| 17:10.08 | znf | No. They need to keep vanilla "pure" for all the fuckers who cried about it for years. |
| 17:10.12 | znf | Let them have what they want. |
| 17:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | that's exactly how i feel about it |
| 17:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | it needs to be as close to the real thing as humanly possible - get rid of the exploits and stuff, but that's it |
| 17:11.09 | znf | Then let them complain about all the improvements that are missing. So I can go and post "you got what you wanted, gtfo" on all the threads crying about it. |
| 17:11.13 | nevcairiel | i still expect it to be a huge failure |
| 17:11.19 | znf | I'll feel vindicated |
| 17:11.30 | nevcairiel | its a project that just cannot succeed |
| 17:11.33 | znf | Or, well, I'll just feel good :D |
| 17:11.53 | Mr_Rabies | it probably will be, because everyone who plays on private servers also likes that they're free, which ain't happening |
| 17:12.12 | znf | Yup, I keep saying that. |
| 17:12.24 | znf | Private servers are relatively popular because they are free. |
| 17:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be okay with "Free if you buy a live wow sub, 5.99 a month for anyone else" thing just to bring in more people |
| 17:12.40 | znf | Put an extra subscription for it and it's dead |
| 17:12.52 | nevcairiel | didnt they basically say its included with the wow sub |
| 17:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | it is |
| 17:12.57 | znf | Yeah, they ddi :( |
| 17:13.11 | nevcairiel | but most of those classic die-hards probably dont have a live s ub |
| 17:13.20 | Mr_Rabies | but it would make sense to have a standalone sub too for people who don't care about live |
| 17:14.10 | znf | Nope. |
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| 17:14.21 | nevcairiel | just make them pay the normal sub |
| 17:14.22 | znf | They want a live game, support, updates and all that? Gotta pay the full sub. |
| 17:14.43 | nevcairiel | I doubt the upkeep cost etc are less then live |
| 17:14.47 | nevcairiel | so pay the same stuff |
| 17:14.48 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think they're gonna get updates |
| 17:14.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna just be exploit fixes and stuff at most |
| 17:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna have the raids and stuff timegated but otherwise that's it |
| 17:15.29 | Fisker | They're gonna have to somehow be able to extend wow while still supporting classic wow |
| 17:15.45 | znf | Mr_Rabies, it's still server maintenance |
| 17:15.53 | znf | Those ain't free. |
| 17:15.55 | Fisker | In a way people who play classic should pay even more |
| 17:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | eh it's all virtual machines and stuff now |
| 17:16.28 | Mr_Rabies | it's incredibly cheap except at expansion launch time, maybe |
| 17:16.59 | nevcairiel | Its hard to really judge without knowing how much money of the sub really goes toward server costs and support cost, vs. patch and next xpac development |
| 17:17.00 | znf | That doesn't matter. They still need to be kept up. |
| 17:17.10 | znf | It's not exactly fire and forget |
| 17:17.12 | nevcairiel | afterall there is also the xpac purchase price for the xpac itself |
| 17:17.36 | znf | I still think that the expansions cost too much to be honest |
| 17:18.02 | znf | At least it's not Destiny 2 where there's like 3 of them every year |
| 17:18.05 | znf | Or whatever the count is |
| 17:18.12 | nevcairiel | no sub cost tho |
| 17:18.30 | Mr_Rabies | they definitely do now for how much real content is in them |
| 17:18.42 | znf | I guess |
| 17:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | can't believe they had the gall to raise the price of wod |
| 17:19.36 | Fisker | Unless they just drop classic after releasing it, it'll be pretty costly |
| 17:19.49 | nevcairiel | people always complain about game costs, but if you break that down to price per hour and compare to any non-gaming activitiy, its a huge win at any price |
| 17:19.54 | Fisker | might be cheaper to branch out now and never look back |
| 17:20.22 | Fisker | Though honestly I kind of suspect that Blizzard knows it won't last very long until people wil lose interest |
| 17:20.27 | znf | yup, technically gaming is cheap |
| 17:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | i think the cost is mostly just going to be to labor to convert things over to the new codebase |
| 17:20.55 | Mr_Rabies | once they get the game launched that's a sunk cost and everything from there will pay for that labor and the small amount of labor required from there |
| 17:21.13 | znf | but because it's a virtual experience, we tend to feel the price to be higher than it's worth it |
| 17:21.14 | Fisker | That's only true if they literally drop the game when they launch |
| 17:21.36 | Fisker | If their arguments of doing what they did is still valid, there will have to exist an 8.0.0 Vanilla, a 9.0.0 vanilla, etc. |
| 17:21.42 | Mr_Rabies | they're already adding in the legion loot trading and other stuff to reduce support costs |
| 17:21.57 | znf | huh? |
| 17:22.09 | Fisker | And that will have a pretty high cost to maintain/develop to the point they don't have to maintain it |
| 17:22.12 | Mr_Rabies | you can trade loot from raids and stuff |
| 17:22.20 | znf | Where did you read that? |
| 17:22.25 | Fisker | It was said at Blizzcon |
| 17:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | because whining about loot drops is apparently too expensive |
| 17:22.40 | znf | That's bullshit. |
| 17:22.50 | znf | Someone hand me a pitchfork. |
| 17:22.54 | Fisker | no |
| 17:23.07 | nevcairiel | its just for ML i think, where someone made a mistake assigning it, and a GM would otherwise have to fix it |
| 17:23.09 | Mr_Rabies | i mean i agree 100% - it's not really vanilla if everyone can gear up in 1/4 the time |
| 17:23.13 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.28 | znf | PITCHFORKS! |
| 17:23.53 | Fisker | They just used ML as an example as to "Now ninjas can't use misclick as an excuse" |
| 17:24.01 | Fisker | since they could trade it |
| 17:24.05 | Fisker | But everyone can trade it |
| 17:24.11 | Fisker | whether it's group loot or whatever |
| 17:24.25 | znf | Boo! Boo! |
| 17:24.42 | Fisker | znf confirmed classic douchebag |
| 17:24.52 | znf | I want all vanilla players to suffer. |
| 17:25.06 | Fisker | It doesn't remove ninjalooting |
| 17:25.15 | Fisker | It just means you can no longer argue that it was a mistaker |
| 17:25.18 | Fisker | mistake* |
| 17:25.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think suffering is part of the vanilla experience, including suffering from ninja looters |
| 17:25.37 | Fisker | which you can |
| 17:26.03 | foxlit | * ninja looter with plausible deniability. |
| 17:27.45 | Fisker | They even have enhanced ninja looting |
| 17:27.49 | Fisker | because they can work together |
| 17:28.07 | Fisker | Ninja A just ML's to Fallguy B and Fallguy B trades to Ninja A |
| 17:28.24 | Mr_Rabies | i just hope somehow we get a way to visit the old world in the live client - as much as i think the questing experience was improved in cataclysm, it's just as dull now and all the ancient memes and stuff are kinda awful, and at least being able to see all the old stuff in some form would be neat |
| 17:28.38 | Mr_Rabies | zidormi my whole planet for a bit |
| 17:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | or at least two continents |
| 17:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | and also being able to run old ZG and stuff |
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| 17:51.17 | TheDanW | Chipzz: CreateTexture, CreateMaskTexture and CreateLine take identical arguments |
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| 18:30.34 | Chipzz | TheDanW: awesome, thx! :) |
| 18:42.47 | Chipzz | my personal opinion is that there are plenty QoL changes that really wouldn't hurt gameplay and which would be a tremendous help |
| 18:42.59 | Chipzz | sparkling herbs, outline mode, AoE looting |
| 18:43.41 | Chipzz | I wonder how many of the "NO CHANGES" crowd will start raging when they figure out AoE looting is gone :p |
| 18:45.09 | Chipzz | the new quest tracker, even in TBC I was using Carbonite because the stock UI sucked balls |
| 18:45.47 | Chipzz | (that one might be a lot more controlversial, bigger change than the others above) |
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| 19:07.46 | cogwheel | Remember, remember the 5th of December when all of the addons got shot! |
| 19:12.13 | Cairenn | o.O |
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| 19:15.04 | cogwheel | Can you believe that was 12 years ago? |
| 19:15.34 | cogwheel | Also, I seem to be playing WoW again. Not sure how that happened >.> |
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| 20:02.06 | Chipzz | cogwheel: let me just say, I absolutely love your macro guide! still my go-to reference :) |
| 20:03.10 | Chipzz | concise, to the point, no fluffy bullshit, exactly the way a guide should be :) |
| 20:05.10 | Cairenn | cogwheel: welcome back :) |
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| 21:19.25 | cogwheel | Chipzz: dawww thanks :3 |
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