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| 03:22.59 | znf | Simca, how sure are you on the 24-hour-minimum duration WQs? |
| 03:23.21 | znf | Because I could have sword that ~10 hours ago I had 2 WQs in Vol'dun that granted Azerite |
| 03:23.21 | Simca | very |
| 03:23.24 | znf | Now there's only one |
| 03:23.39 | Funkeh` | they dont all spawn at the same time |
| 03:23.56 | Funkeh` | iirc there's 4 spawn times during the 24h cycle |
| 03:23.58 | znf | I do my quests once a day, and I do them all |
| 03:24.00 | znf | I know |
| 03:24.11 | znf | I do them in the 1am-6am interval |
| 03:24.51 | znf | but I'm pretty damn sure I checked earlier, at around 6-8pm (when I logged on for mission table) and I had at least 1 WQs with Azerite in Vol'dun :-| |
| 03:24.56 | znf | s/1/2/ |
| 03:26.41 | nebula | i know they spawn every 12 hours starting with reset, not sure if there is another interval in there |
| 03:26.43 | znf | also, the intervals are 9am, 9pm, then there's 1am and 5 or 6pm (can't recall if it's local time or server time, so can't remember if it's 5 or 6) |
| 03:26.56 | znf | I know there's 4 of them |
| 03:27.48 | znf | server time in EU now is 4:27 am |
| 03:28.27 | znf | I've got quests that expire in 11 hours + extra rounding |
| 03:28.57 | znf | then 3 hours + rounding |
| 03:29.21 | znf | And then there's 15 hours |
| 03:30.12 | znf | also, wtf was with this week |
| 03:30.21 | znf | I normally get 1 HoA level per week |
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| 03:30.45 | znf | weekly reset is in a few hours and I'm missing ~15k azerite |
| 03:32.09 | znf | I'm usually either ahead (ie: ding on tuesday + extra ap spilled over, or missing about 1-2k) |
| 03:36.17 | Mr_Rabies | i gave up at like 29 points on bothering |
| 03:38.03 | znf | it's the only path of progression I have... :-/ |
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| 04:03.12 | Ssateneth | i gave up like 2 weeks ago |
| 04:03.14 | Ssateneth | cuz im at 33 |
| 04:03.44 | Ssateneth | zero point in progessing except for getting that extra ilvl showing on premade groups |
| 04:03.48 | Ssateneth | almost 390 |
| 04:04.05 | znf | only 386 :( |
| 04:04.47 | znf | My last 3 mythic uldir pugs fell apart after I got saved and I didn't kill anything |
| 04:07.59 | znf | Oh. I just realized it's Tuesday not Wednesday |
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| 05:25.32 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 05:28.53 | bluspacecow | I'm trying to confirm how big the 8.1 prepatch is meant to be versus how big it's actually downloading. Using the info from wowdev.wiki I can get the BuildConfig and PatchConfig for it but I dunno what units the sizes are at. What would help would be if I could find a URL for BuildConfig/PatchConfig for say the 7.1 prepatch and the 7.2 prepatch so I can compare them. |
| 05:28.56 | bluspacecow | omg word spam |
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| 06:35.36 | Simca | there's no easy way to size up actual download short of monitoring it |
| 06:36.02 | Simca | the easiest way is compare size of newly added patch-archive files between last PTR build and BGDL build |
| 06:37.06 | Simca | actually, no, that's not even close to good enough either |
| 06:37.07 | Simca | bleh |
| 06:37.26 | Simca | it'd be a decent start i guess |
| 06:39.00 | Simca | Alram: you love parsing files, parse root of 8.0.1 and 8.1 and determine size of patch archive chunks required to translate between the two, thanks |
| 06:39.40 | Simca | put the project on github, call it 'ActualFreakingDownloadSize' |
| 06:41.06 | Simca | (I'm actually like 2% serious, it might be an amusing page on your site for a user to be able to give it two builds and make it calculate the effort involved in moving from A to B) |
| 06:49.54 | Alram | That sounds like a lot of effort Simca |
| 06:50.12 | Simca | but think of how you'll be able to correct noobs on the forums |
| 06:50.19 | Simca | when they spout download sizes from the app |
| 06:50.25 | Simca | THE INTERNET POINTS MARLA |
| 06:50.29 | Simca | THINK OF THE INTERNET POINTS |
| 06:50.52 | Alram | I'd rather not |
| 06:51.01 | Simca | womp womp |
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| 07:24.08 | Simca | bluspacecow: you missed our convo but the short answer is no, there is no way for you to easily figure out the real download size. the problem is that blizzard often modifies tens of thousands of files by a handful of bytes each, when they're regenerating minimaps or when they add a new chunk to a wmo tiles or something |
| 07:24.45 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 07:24.58 | Simca | so while the total sum of all the modified files may be like 16GB, if most files are only changed by a handful of bytes, the download size will probably only be a fraction of that |
| 07:25.34 | Simca | to figure out the size you'd basically have to do the patch process and keep a record |
| 07:25.48 | Simca | this is probably why Blizzard doesn't give accurate download estimates |
| 07:26.19 | bluspacecow | i let the download run for about 30 minutes or so and it said it had downloaded around 6 GB which is about right the avg download size I was getting (2.5 MB/s) |
| 07:26.54 | Alram | tldr just have ptr installed and it'll be over quickly |
| 07:27.11 | Simca | yeah there's definitely several GB of just real, new data |
| 07:27.15 | Simca | it is a major content patch |
| 07:27.22 | bluspacecow | but i didn't have monitoring software going so no idea if it actually downloaded that much |
| 07:27.26 | Alram | and barely any patching at all in the future if you have ptr installed |
| 07:27.29 | bluspacecow | 7.1 was about 2.5 GB tho |
| 07:27.29 | Simca | but there's also like 10GB probably of data changed by a handful of bytes |
| 07:27.33 | Alram | shared CASC yay |
| 07:28.08 | Simca | 7.1's new raid and dungeon were both not new |
| 07:28.13 | Simca | they were in 7.0 files |
| 07:28.28 | Alram | to be fair they did get a lot of changes |
| 07:28.29 | Simca | 8.1's raid and dungeon are both actually new, not just unfinished 8.0 content |
| 07:28.33 | Simca | sure, sure |
| 07:29.12 | bluspacecow | and did 7.2 share data too ? that was 2.16 GB on the background downloader (according to MMO champion that is) |
| 07:29.37 | Alram | Don't think so |
| 07:31.00 | Alram | Proper data sharing in agent was added during late 8.0 beta I think |
| 07:31.12 | Alram | And now actual CASC sharing only in 8.1 |
| 07:32.03 | Alram | 8.1.5 should be pretty smooth, both for installing PTR and installing retail for those that have ptr |
| 07:32.10 | Alram | I am mildly excited actually |
| 07:32.58 | Simca | if you uninstall PTR and install it now will it merge with your live directory or will that not happen until 8.1 hits live |
| 07:34.03 | Simca | also for the download size, i wonder if it's entirely possible that they just botch the patch generation |
| 07:34.33 | Alram | won't happen atm |
| 07:34.45 | Alram | maybe when retail goes live |
| 07:34.51 | Alram | but likely not until 8.1.5 |
| 07:35.41 | Simca | the way it should happen is when they designate a BGDL build, their system ensures that every file from latest Live build has a direct upgrade path from that build to the new BGDL build, even if it means generating several new patch archives to do it |
| 07:35.59 | Simca | i would expect that to be needed too, for existing files that changed multiple times in 8.1 PTR |
| 07:36.07 | Simca | but only 2 new patch archives were made, which seems odd |
| 07:36.12 | Alram | I'm not sure that exists right now |
| 07:36.18 | Alram | considering they rebased |
| 07:36.20 | Alram | sort of |
| 07:36.36 | Alram | rebase including live data |
| 07:36.44 | Simca | is it possible that they just cross their fingers and hope real hard that most of the files from live build A have an upgrade path to BGDL build B |
| 07:37.08 | Simca | and if most of them don't, oh well, guess our servers are getting hit extra hard and we'll ruin some data caps for no good reason? |
| 07:37.27 | Simca | that seems like a really stupid way to do it, but i wonder if it is what is happening |
| 07:37.28 | Alram | more 429s yay |
| 07:38.39 | Alram | off to work, will check bgdl during break to see what is up |
| 07:40.28 | Simca | rebase shouldn't affect much. it helps blizzard because they get to store less files and it helps clients because there are less archive indices, but that's not -that- big of a deal. shouldn't affect patching or availability of upgrade paths. |
| 07:41.30 | Alram | usually there's no patch config for the first rebase build tho |
| 07:41.41 | bluspacecow | us|aeecaf500559724e3f1e42511e80e007|ddee861376d1272c6344cdb737ab10fb||28657|8.1.0.28657| |
| 07:41.46 | Alram | looks like they fixed that tho |
| 07:41.55 | bluspacecow | ^^ bgdl I run earlier |
| 07:42.15 | Alram | mirror still missing it |
| 07:42.27 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 07:42.33 | bluspacecow | has fun at work! |
| 07:42.35 | Simca | this wasn't like the old rebases, yeah |
| 07:42.52 | Alram | this was a slow rebase |
| 07:42.53 | Simca | it's not a wipe of history (including patches), it's more like a compression of history |
| 07:43.00 | Alram | spread over 3 builds |
| 07:43.05 | Alram | with one big one |
| 07:43.29 | Alram | I'm hopeful this is constantly rebaseing so we don't get to 900 archives again |
| 07:43.51 | bluspacecow | on the forums the json variable for what someone actually posts is "cooked" #mildlyinteresting #loldiscourse |
| 07:44.20 | Simca | oh, wow, yeah |
| 07:44.27 | bluspacecow | just add a .json to the end of a thread URL |
| 07:44.35 | Simca | you are right marla, the rebase is to blame for this |
| 07:45.09 | Simca | at least i think so |
| 07:45.46 | Alram | Yay? |
| 07:45.57 | Alram | ok actually stepping on bike now and shouldn't IRC |
| 07:46.01 | Simca | k |
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| 07:46.54 | Simca | remind me this weekend and i'll actually look at this further, it's moderately interesting. if it works like i think it does, it should be improved. i can write a forum post about it or something maybe. |
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| 23:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | is there any way to easily tell which addon of mine is trying to communicate with others, i'm guessing using the addon channel? |
| 23:59.17 | Mr_Rabies | i keep getting like no player found or something with specific players i'm guessing in my local area |
| 23:59.40 | Mr_Rabies | er which addon that i have installed is trying to communicate with others |