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| 01:57.01 | znf | Semlar, wtf is with survival hunters? |
| 01:57.02 | znf | they take no damage |
| 01:57.13 | Semlar | they have survival right in their name |
| 01:57.27 | znf | but how? |
| 01:57.28 | znf | 0 damage |
| 01:57.47 | Semlar | they're actually pretty weak but are designed to kill casters in pvp |
| 01:58.30 | znf | they take no fucking damage |
| 01:58.43 | Semlar | hunters have basically no self sustain, so i don't know what you ran into |
| 01:59.08 | Semlar | aside from turtle, which they can't attack from, they have one heal on like a 2 minute cooldown |
| 01:59.31 | znf | I was hitting him |
| 01:59.32 | znf | putting dots |
| 01:59.38 | znf | no dots were sticking to him |
| 01:59.40 | znf | no damage done |
| 01:59.47 | Semlar | was he by himself? |
| 02:00.48 | Semlar | there's a pvp talent that clears all dots from you when you FD |
| 02:01.25 | znf | no |
| 02:01.28 | znf | wpvp |
| 02:01.40 | znf | we run into a skirmish on a wq |
| 02:01.41 | Semlar | someone could have been dispelling him |
| 02:02.10 | znf | I don't know man :-/ |
| 02:02.14 | znf | seems weird |
| 02:02.18 | znf | I was doting everyone |
| 02:02.23 | znf | but the hunter didn't get any dots |
| 02:02.30 | nebula | turtle is the only thing that could prevent dots |
| 02:02.32 | znf | and I was nuking him with shadow word: void |
| 02:02.37 | znf | still at 100% |
| 02:02.42 | znf | no dispellable auras on him |
| 02:02.49 | Semlar | turtle is not dispellable |
| 02:03.15 | znf | no, I mean, I was doing damage on him and his HP wasn't going down |
| 02:03.21 | znf | but no shield or hots |
| 02:03.40 | Semlar | maybe your unit frame was broken? |
| 02:03.46 | nebula | maybe you should git gud |
| 02:04.07 | Semlar | i mean it doesn't make any sense that you would be doing damage to him but he wasn't taking any damage |
| 02:04.20 | Semlar | so either it was being absorbed or something wasn't displaying right |
| 02:04.27 | Semlar | or he was instantly being healed |
| 02:06.13 | znf | couldn't really check much |
| 02:06.18 | znf | I was killing the others but not him |
| 02:06.35 | Semlar | so maybe he had his own healer |
| 02:06.41 | znf | skirmishes like these are fun tough in wpvp |
| 02:07.44 | Semlar | i played survival in legion but don't know specifics on what might have changed for bfa, as far as i know nothing that would dramatically increase their survivability |
| 02:08.13 | Semlar | hunters have always been fairly easy to kill in pvp if focused |
| 02:08.23 | znf | oh, I have Assassin \o/ |
| 02:08.32 | znf | no bounty tough, nice |
| 02:09.50 | Semlar | if azerite traits are active in pvp that could potentially make a pretty big difference |
| 02:10.43 | Semlar | oh and if you were fighting at an azerite world quest, you get a massive healing buff from it |
| 02:11.22 | znf | yeah they are, obviously |
| 02:11.23 | Semlar | there are other things you can do in world pvp that are practically cheating |
| 02:12.01 | znf | unfortunately I didn't really have time to check his auras, as I was focused on killing the other 6 guys :D |
| 02:12.31 | Semlar | eg tabbing through and dotting everything in range |
| 02:12.41 | Semlar | i know how your kind operate |
| 02:13.00 | znf | pretty much :D |
| 02:13.11 | znf | with Edge of Insanity, it's insane |
| 02:13.13 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better i would generally kill the shadow priest first |
| 02:13.29 | znf | oh crap |
| 02:13.30 | znf | I have bounty |
| 02:13.31 | znf | how |
| 02:13.32 | znf | :-\ |
| 02:13.48 | znf | I didn't kill that last guy, c'mon blizz |
| 02:13.58 | Semlar | force them to use dispersion and then finish them off |
| 02:15.02 | Semlar | unlike a paladin, who for some unfathomable reason has 2 invulnerability bubbles that they can attack while using |
| 02:15.44 | znf | if we're at 100% with Edge of Insanity, and we have dots rolling, good luck killing me |
| 02:16.24 | znf | the healing from Vampiric Touch with Edge is insane |
| 02:17.52 | znf | wonder if I lose Bounty on my head if I leave continent |
| 02:19.25 | znf | nope |
| 02:21.12 | znf | it's kind of crappy that you don't really get anything good from Conquest Points if you don't take part into rated pvp |
| 02:24.40 | znf | hmmm, I tought weekly pvp chest is only when you actually do rated pvp? |
| 02:24.53 | znf | I was somehow able to open it, got 1000 AP |
| 02:25.01 | nebula | no, it's all pvp |
| 02:25.02 | znf | but I didn't do any arenas |
| 02:25.07 | znf | ah, so also random bgs? |
| 02:26.03 | nebula | yea, anything, i think it reward level is based on ranked, but you don't need to do ranked to get something |
| 02:26.36 | znf | well, that's 1000 AP that I missed out every week, then :-| |
| 02:30.04 | znf | foxlit, what replaced https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_CalendarGetMonth ? |
| 02:54.26 | Chipzz | Semlar: paladins also have close to 0 mobility |
| 02:54.59 | Chipzz | and plate movement speed feels like you have a 10-ton concrete block on each of your feet :P |
| 02:57.22 | Semlar | they have a horsey, a 6 second stun, and a permanent slow |
| 02:58.34 | Chipzz | neither stun nor slow helps with THEIR movement |
| 02:58.35 | Chipzz | so no |
| 02:58.43 | Chipzz | they have horsey. period |
| 02:58.53 | Chipzz | and that's where it ends |
| 02:59.00 | Semlar | doesn't really matter when they can kill you in one stun |
| 02:59.12 | Chipzz | doesn't really matter when they're slow as fuck |
| 02:59.19 | Chipzz | you don't seem to get it |
| 02:59.39 | Semlar | i think i've played enough pvp to thoroughly get paladins |
| 02:59.40 | nebula | still more mobility than a dk |
| 03:00.27 | Chipzz | things are tradeoffs, the 2 bubbles don't exist in a vacuum |
| 03:00.30 | Semlar | you basically could not lose against a hunter as a ret paladin, so i don't know what being slow has to do with it |
| 03:00.48 | Chipzz | getting in range? |
| 03:00.56 | Chipzz | also, horsey can be dispelled |
| 03:01.48 | Chipzz | nebula: but DKs have DG to close the gap |
| 03:01.57 | Chipzz | which is also a hard interrupt |
| 03:01.59 | nebula | "still slow as fuck" |
| 03:02.45 | Chipzz | TBH, I hate PvP. I wish they would just scratch it from the game altogether |
| 03:02.54 | Chipzz | the game would be better without it |
| 03:03.14 | Semlar | they made pvp as optional as they possibly could have |
| 03:03.17 | Chipzz | lots of classes lost a lot of mobility over the past expansion, thanks to, fucking pvp |
| 03:03.25 | Chipzz | spits on pvp. *spit* |
| 03:03.31 | Chipzz | BAH |
| 03:04.06 | Chipzz | Semlar: it's not about being optional, it's about PvP being the cause of abilities being remnoved |
| 03:04.11 | Semlar | and ret paladins are the single most overpowered class i have ever fought on any character in pvp |
| 03:04.17 | Chipzz | "balance" |
| 03:04.29 | Chipzz | just scratch pvp altogether and let us have some fun again in PvE |
| 03:04.40 | Semlar | followed by frost mages and rogues |
| 03:06.52 | Chipzz | Semlar: don't recall which expansion it was exactly, but I think up to WotLK or Cata interrupts had much shorter cooldowns across the board. Then all of them got nerfed, because, yes, pvp. I actually liked having to interrupt in PvE. PVE fun gone, thank you fucking PvP |
| 03:07.18 | Chipzz | again, PvP should just be removed from the game in its entirety |
| 03:08.19 | Chipzz | if people want to PvP, there's plenty of other games that are good for that. But there aren't a lot of good coop PvE games, WoW being one of them. |
| 03:09.50 | nebula | fuck the game because of tuning 10 years ago! |
| 03:10.40 | nebula | pvp largely has no impact on pve anymore |
| 03:10.57 | Chipzz | it's not like that kind of bullshit tuning has stopped since then |
| 03:11.20 | Chipzz | these days it's mostly stopped, but far too little far too late, after 2 passes of ability pruning |
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| 07:14.22 | Torhal | I don't see you in Anaheim, nebula. |
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| 07:33.47 | nebula | rub it in why don't you, Torhal |
| 07:34.07 | Torhal | I don't want to be mean, is why. |
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| 08:52.58 | VIad | LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 triggered a invalid key to 'next' error |
| 08:53.45 | VIad | it happened as I was mousing a NPC that was despawning due to boss resetting then that was cast. it was trying to use like party2target some unit like that I guess it got removed from some event triggering boss reset or smth :P |
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| 14:36.58 | znf | dear blizzard |
| 14:37.04 | znf | I'd rather wait 10 more minutes in pvp queue |
| 14:37.23 | znf | than being placed in a random bg where our side has 0 healers, and their side has 1 |
| 14:37.49 | znf | heck, I'd rather have the group disband completely if the healer declined the queue |
| 14:37.58 | Andols | In AV |
| 14:38.10 | znf | WSG |
| 14:38.16 | Chipzz | dear blizzard, I'ld rather wait twice as long for LFR, than to be put in an in-progress instance |
| 14:38.27 | znf | Chipzz, I actually want/like the in-progress ones |
| 14:38.31 | znf | I'm only there for the azerite |
| 14:38.39 | Chipzz | (if I get put in an in-progress instance I have to run it twic anyway) |
| 14:38.40 | znf | if I get one with last boss only, that's great |
| 14:38.47 | Chipzz | znf: and I hate it with a passion |
| 14:38.55 | znf | do you still need the gear from it? :P |
| 14:39.16 | Chipzz | not on my main, but I do on alts |
| 14:39.45 | Chipzz | also, maybe not right now, but at the start of a new patch etc, OP trinket that you really want or w/e |
| 14:40.29 | znf | at least in pve you can't "lose" |
| 14:40.42 | Chipzz | having to queue twice is just a gigantic waste of time; if I'm waiting twice as long, at least I'm not wasting my time and can spend it on WQs or other shit |
| 14:41.51 | Chipzz | what I would like to see is you only EVER get put in an in-progress instance as a punishment for leaving another instance |
| 14:42.01 | Chipzz | if you're good and never leave, you NEVER get an in-progress |
| 14:42.10 | Chipzz | if you constantly leave, you ALWAYS get in-progress |
| 14:42.39 | Chipzz | but I never leave and still get this in-progress bullshit |
| 14:42.44 | Chipzz | meh |
| 14:44.56 | Chipzz | and actually yes, there still is an actual upgrade in LFR for me |
| 14:45.00 | Chipzz | the Cr/Ha ring |
| 14:45.24 | foxlit | you get in your fresh group, the tank leaves, you never finish the instance |
| 14:45.38 | Chipzz | Cr/Ha is BiS for me and I only have one. and since rings don't have primary stat, lower ilvl would actually be an upgrade |
| 14:46.37 | Chipzz | I have yet to see that stupid ring drop for me on any dificulty at all |
| 14:47.00 | znf | I got it 2 days ago from mythic |
| 14:47.07 | Chipzz | actually, I have yet to see a Cr/Ha ring drop for me AT ALL, not a single one dropped during the entire expansion so far. The one I got was from someone kind enough to trade me |
| 14:47.41 | znf | hmmm, I assume the alliance has a quest to go in the horde city to kill Sky Queen |
| 14:47.47 | znf | because it's the 3rd alliance guy I kill :D |
| 14:48.26 | Chipzz | and the fucking ironic part... |
| 14:48.37 | Chipzz | last reset it dropped on LFR for FIVE people |
| 14:48.52 | Chipzz | 5 people getting the same identical ring, and me still waiting and praying :( |
| 14:50.15 | Chipzz | it's fucking retarded that Cr/Ha is BiS for just about any spec in-game, but no WQs with a ring with those stats :S |
| 14:51.26 | Chipzz | and yet there isn't just 1, but 2 different rings from WQs with Ma/Ve :SSSS |
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| 16:31.33 | VIad | a healer is worth more than 2 dps :P |
| 16:32.13 | VIad | an actual healer with pvp experience can solo carry a crappy team if the enemy has no healers and ofc people that dont interrupt and focus target the enemy only healer :d |
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| 17:24.01 | Chipzz | https://wccftech.com/battlefield-v-recommended-cpus-rtx/ |
| 17:24.21 | Chipzz | TSquare: when is WoW getting DXR? :) so I know when to start saving for new HW :P |
| 17:57.27 | foxlit | znf: probably https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_APIDocumentation#C_Calendar.GetMonthInfo |
| 18:00.32 | foxlit | tangent: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Blizzard_APIDocumentation#s:dateandtime uses "CalendarTime" type everywhere, but defines it nowhere. This isn't really helpful. |
| 18:29.12 | TSquare | Hey foxlit - in your code for _initialAttributeNames the gmatch does not exclude spaces, is that on purpose? |
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| 18:39.57 | foxlit | only in so far as it lets you set attributes with spaces in their names. |
| 18:41.41 | foxlit | (I don't think the default UI actually uses any attributes with spaces. Reserving more characters for the syntax just seemed unnecessary.) |
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| 20:47.29 | znf | wowhead is on drugs https://i.imgur.com/eUNqqnF.png |
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