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| 02:04.49 | znf | So, Semlar |
| 02:04.51 | znf | I have a question |
| 02:05.21 | znf | how do I figure out how to stop the animation that you get when you first shift-right-click an azerite item? :-/ |
| 02:06.27 | znf | ~framexml |
| 02:06.27 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on https://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 02:08.25 | znf | guess it has something to do with local needsReveal = not self.azeriteItemDataSource:HasBeenViewed(); |
| 02:08.29 | znf | where is this data stored? O.o |
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| 02:25.51 | Semlar | znf: C_AzeriteEmpoweredItem.SetHasBeenViewed(self.empoweredItemLocation) |
| 02:26.27 | Semlar | an itemLocation is an object that stores a reference to the bag slot or inventory slot or whatever |
| 02:28.28 | Semlar | if you want to just mark every item as "viewed" as you receive it |
| 02:29.24 | znf | I feel like you already wrote a snippet |
| 02:29.50 | Semlar | no but it shouldn't be that difficult |
| 02:30.37 | Semlar | i think you can call something like ItemLocation:CreateFromBagAndSlot(bagID, slotIndex) or ItemLocation:CreateFromEquipmentSlot(equipmentSlotIndex) to get an itemLoc to feed to it |
| 02:31.28 | Semlar | then you just need to figure out when you want to actually mark something as viewed |
| 02:32.02 | znf | wait, so |
| 02:32.09 | znf | if I change slot, it's no longer viewed? |
| 02:32.28 | Semlar | no this is just to create a reference to a particular item |
| 02:33.20 | Semlar | it lets the function accept either a bag + slot, or an equipment index |
| 02:34.28 | Semlar | because they don't give you something like a unique GUID to refer one specific item you might have |
| 02:35.09 | Semlar | if you had 2 identical items in your bags, you couldn't just give the function an item link because it wouldn't know which one you'd clicked on |
| 02:35.11 | znf | I see |
| 02:35.58 | Semlar | i'm not really sure why they didn't just put a unique identifier in the link |
| 02:37.30 | Semlar | anyway, you need to decide when you want to mark an item as viewed |
| 02:37.39 | Semlar | that could be every time you mouse over an item in your inventory |
| 02:37.54 | znf | or when I loot it... :P |
| 02:37.59 | Semlar | or it could be looping over all your inventory items when you log in and when you loot something |
| 02:38.23 | Semlar | you might find receiving a new item harder to track than you might think, but they might have made that easier than it used to be |
| 03:16.54 | nebula | just set it viewed when showing the tooltip ez |
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| 08:17.40 | Maldivia | hmm, I wonder if Classic will be truly authentic... if so, http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance.html |
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| 08:47.18 | nevcairiel | it will not, because a large part of what made classic good is the people, and the community has become extremels toxic in the last 15 years :p |
| 08:48.08 | Maldivia | true |
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| 08:52.02 | Simca | he means on the secure actions system, which is still one of the #1 open and unanswered questions |
| 08:52.16 | Simca | secure actions system and debuff cap are probably the biggest technical questions |
| 08:54.25 | nevcairiel | they should include the debuff cap, it was a huge part of r aid combat |
| 08:54.29 | nevcairiel | no matter why it existed |
| 08:54.41 | Alram | i'm not sure those can even be answered at blizzcon |
| 08:54.45 | Alram | don't think they're that far yet |
| 08:54.57 | Alram | maybe debuff cap, addon stuff probably too early |
| 08:57.00 | nevcairiel | i doubt they'll reveal much of anything, probably just talk about generic problems |
| 08:58.56 | Alram | the watercoolers had potential |
| 08:59.09 | Alram | but not sure they'll continue as a lot of the neat subjects are already done with |
| 09:05.32 | Simca | it's tricky nevcairiel. they'd have to rebalance raid boss hp slightly, but they might have to do that anyway. 1.12 as a data base is nice, but there's no argument that after the multiple talent revamps, the addition of ZG, and other changes to help acquire gear (AQ world content) that the early raids did not hold up well. You started out needing fire resist in MC and by the end of vanilla nobody was using fire resist in MC because |
| 09:05.33 | Simca | player health was a lot higher and healers were a lot better. |
| 09:06.12 | nevcairiel | the "better" part is what ruins the first raids anyway |
| 09:06.19 | nevcairiel | the bosses in MC have like no abilities |
| 09:06.46 | Simca | yeah MC was not the pinnacle of design |
| 09:07.18 | Maldivia | yet each MC boss (originally) required different stats |
| 09:07.20 | nevcairiel | half of them throws a mass debuff at you, the other half has adds, and thats about it |
| 09:07.53 | Maldivia | but yeah, debuffs or adds, that about sums it up :D |
| 09:08.02 | Maldivia | or both |
| 09:08.27 | Simca | but yeah i would argue the third decision they need to make for raids in particular is: do you keep the raids as they were tuned in 1.12 so that the early raids are easier than most people ever remembered them or do you alter the bosses to keep them relevant and a sense of progression in place, even if it means you might end up screwing with game balance. |
| 09:11.17 | Simca | i think solutions to all three decisions will probably isolate some potential players either way, so they have to try to figure out how to please the most people with decisions that have no obvious right answers. |
| 09:11.42 | Chipzz | I really want them to fix the debuff limit, just to piss of the purists :) |
| 09:11.42 | nevcairiel | thats the entire design problem for classic =p |
| 09:11.59 | nevcairiel | there is no way to victory without stepping over a few corpses |
| 09:12.18 | Chipzz | these purists are one hell of an annoying bunch of loudmouths :P |
| 09:14.25 | Simca | i don't think it would radically change much between the classes. debuffs already had to be balanced for PvP and there were still extended PvP fights, so it's not like DoT damage is crazy high or something. |
| 09:14.42 | Simca | maybe some non-melee would be slightly less useless |
| 09:14.46 | nevcairiel | like pvp was that well balanced in classic |
| 09:14.52 | Chipzz | also, the game client being 1.12 doesn't necessarily mean them have to make stuff like ZG and AQ world content avaiable immediately |
| 09:14.58 | Simca | that is true. |
| 09:15.03 | Simca | that is a third option for that choice |
| 09:15.15 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 09:15.22 | Alram | i think they'll do a beta with gradual releases |
| 09:15.28 | Alram | then ship with everything available |
| 09:15.28 | Chipzz | they can easily put some debuff or other mechanism in place |
| 09:15.32 | Alram | otherwise people will be upset |
| 09:15.33 | nevcairiel | if MC is the only available raid, but its super easy, then it'll still suck |
| 09:15.39 | Chipzz | that prevents you from entering ZG etc |
| 09:15.49 | Maldivia | yeah, we need to gather a million linen and woll to open the gates of AQ :D |
| 09:15.58 | nevcairiel | if they go with 1.12 class design, they need to rebalance old raids to have a sense of difficulty |
| 09:16.31 | Simca | the difference wasn't THAT massive purely from class design. it was a mix of that plus AQ world content and ZG gear I think. But yeah, it will still be easier than remembered for sure. |
| 09:16.33 | Chipzz | my guess is the debuff limit will be fixed, so they need to do that either way |
| 09:17.35 | Chipzz | but quite frankly, even without the 1.12 buffs, and even without ZG and AQ world content, people would probably be rushing through the raids anyway |
| 09:17.44 | Chipzz | better knowledge and understanding of fights |
| 09:17.54 | Chipzz | but also, DBM or BigWigs might get ported |
| 09:18.10 | Chipzz | so it won't be the same even if all things were the same |
| 09:18.25 | nevcairiel | we had boss mods in classic |
| 09:18.32 | Simca | they don't even need porting really. a few functions are handled differently and a few events are different but that's it |
| 09:18.42 | Simca | you can run BFA addons in classic with only small changes |
| 09:18.49 | Chipzz | the funny thing about the purists is that they have already losts whatever way you put it :D |
| 09:19.09 | Simca | I would imagine many authors will just code a check for interface version and then have it use the alternate classic functions |
| 09:19.16 | Chipzz | so I love to see them rage :) |
| 09:19.37 | Alram | as it is right now you could do that if addons were enabled yeah |
| 09:19.48 | Alram | no telling what the eventual classic client will look like API wise tho |
| 09:20.00 | Simca | yeah that's true |
| 09:20.13 | Chipzz | addons like Ovale will need more porting I suspect |
| 09:20.38 | Simca | alram has a theory that the classic demo client as it is now is just a nasty hacked together client purely for the demo. |
| 09:20.43 | Simca | it does have that kind of feel to it |
| 09:20.50 | Chipzz | with spell ranks and the new old talents |
| 09:21.07 | Simca | like they just ripped out any references to new expansions from the interface code, it's pretty funny looking at diffs of 7.3.5 to 1.13 |
| 09:21.39 | Alram | i did find something mildly interesting |
| 09:21.51 | Alram | seems like they merged some bfa interface stuff into it |
| 09:21.51 | Simca | and they have admitted multiple times in the past that what they do for blizzcon demos is not representative at all of the current state of their work |
| 09:21.53 | Alram | warboard stuff is in |
| 09:22.18 | nevcairiel | i hope it gets the new map APIs, those are just so much nicer |
| 09:22.39 | Simca | so far, it does not have those. In fact, it looks like that's the reason this version was the branching point |
| 09:22.43 | Chipzz | my guess is Dan is working on the classic client, and since he only moved off regular WoW recently, they probably don't have a lot of work done yet |
| 09:22.44 | Alram | oh warboard was also 7.3.5 |
| 09:22.45 | Simca | this feels like the build before that change |
| 09:22.57 | Alram | he wasnt working on classic Chipzz |
| 09:22.59 | Chipzz | but then again, it might not actually take a lot of work |
| 09:23.00 | Alram | got a direct no to that |
| 09:23.17 | Simca | psure classic is still team 2 and dan moved to a diff team |
| 09:23.31 | Simca | but not fully sure |
| 09:23.33 | Chipzz | Alram: he wasn't? I recall he declined to comment on any guesses, but I might be wrong |
| 09:24.35 | Alram | " Alram: i can confirm that i am not on classic :)" |
| 09:24.40 | Alram | pretty direct :D |
| 09:25.15 | Chipzz | but in the grand scheme of things, the server work and database is probably a lot more work than the client, so they are probably taking a shortcut for the client for now, which is why it's 7.3.5 based and not 8.0.1 ... "quick hack" |
| 09:26.02 | Alram | from what i can tell most of the work on demo was done up to july or so |
| 09:26.14 | Alram | and then some test stuff was added as recent as september |
| 09:26.29 | Alram | so i'm guessing they grabbed a post-july build and made that "stable" for blizzcon |
| 09:26.48 | Alram | it would make much more sense if internal classic was on 8.1 branch due to the shared data stuff |
| 09:27.17 | Alram | like 8GB out of 11GB of files are also in retail |
| 09:27.58 | Alram | but that's with a ton of legion stuff being left in demo client so that can probably shrink down to 6GB or something |
| 09:28.11 | nevcairiel | does it have the actual classic low-poly character models, or the pre-wod "classic" models? :) |
| 09:28.47 | Chipzz | TBH, there may not even be a different client in the end at all. Could just be that playing classic is simply selecting a different realm |
| 09:29.09 | Alram | that part i doubt |
| 09:29.26 | Alram | there's already quite a few db layout changes and those don't switch around |
| 09:29.28 | Chipzz | definitely possible technically IMO |
| 09:29.42 | Alram | my guess is that it will be based on whatever branch retail is on, with classic changes ripped out/on top |
| 09:29.47 | nevcairiel | possible sure, but probably more of a headache then n eeded |
| 09:30.17 | nevcairiel | once the client is released, they also may not want it to impeded the retail development, so having it separate makes that easier |
| 09:32.10 | Alram | also wod character models are significantly larger |
| 09:32.15 | Alram | can't check pre-wod |
| 09:32.41 | nevcairiel | iirc they were updated with higher poly counts in BC |
| 09:33.19 | Simca | yeah they cheated heavily on a few things |
| 09:33.48 | Simca | they cut out modelfiledata and texturefiledata almost everywhere afaik |
| 09:34.01 | Alram | not entirely |
| 09:34.12 | Alram | some things are still filedataid based |
| 09:34.18 | Alram | there's wmos with and without gfid |
| 09:34.23 | Alram | probably same for m2s |
| 09:34.26 | Simca | filedataid is diff |
| 09:34.43 | Alram | some things are back to itemdisplayinfoids though yeah |
| 09:35.04 | Simca | yeah they short-circuited the itemmodifiedappearance system |
| 09:35.42 | Simca | Item -> ItemModifiedAppearance -> ItemAppearance -> ItemDisplayInfo was short-circuited in classic demo by adding an ItemDisplayInfoID field to Item |
| 09:35.57 | Alram | can't entirely blame them |
| 09:36.03 | Alram | that system is mostly useless either way |
| 09:36.08 | Simca | that system was only used for bonusID-based model/texture changes |
| 09:36.20 | Simca | like to keep mythic and heroic gear having different colors even when they're the same item |
| 09:39.52 | Alram | i really hope they go into detail on the conversion in the panel about making wow classic |
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| 16:42.51 | TheDanW | znf: there is a built-in anim skip, if you shift-right-click the item again while its revealing it'll skip to the end of the anim |
| 16:43.17 | znf | Didn't know that |
| 16:43.20 | znf | Thanks |
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| 18:39.59 | ls- | TSquare, hi o/. Have a question... Do you use indices/ids for colours returned by UnitSelectionColor? If yes, could you add a method, let's say UnitSelection, similar name to UnitReaction, that'd return that index/id? |
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| 19:02.53 | nebula | how would that be different from using UnitReaction |
| 19:04.49 | ls- | They return a bit different stuff |
| 19:05.06 | ls- | and selection is smarter in certain cases |
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| 19:09.21 | ls- | unit selection thingy covers reactions, dead units, then there's light yellow colour for player's character while in combat, and then there's blue colour for unattackable players and player controlled units in raids/dungs/sanctuaries |
| 19:09.33 | nebula | ahso |
| 19:10.48 | ls- | and when it comes to reactions, it returns correct colours, no mismatches when it comes neutral (yellow) and unfriendly (orange) units, etc |
| 19:10.56 | ls- | comes to* |
| 19:12.18 | ls- | selection is smarter than reaction in this case |
| 19:12.59 | ls- | damn, tanking and chatting in irc at the same time is hard :D |
| 19:19.38 | znf | foxlit, can we get a glow on the "complete all" button when there's missions that are completed? |
| 19:19.58 | znf | because they get pushed on the 2nd row, I sometimes forget to click complete before sending new ones on their way |
| 19:20.21 | nebula | the button only shows when there are missions to be completed, no? |
| 19:20.33 | znf | yes |
| 19:20.43 | znf | my eyes tend to ignore it tough |
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| 19:22.29 | ls- | press space |
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| 19:39.22 | TSquare | ls-: are you asking for a number that represents the color? |
| 19:39.38 | ls- | yeah, if there's one, ofc |
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| 19:41.14 | TSquare | there an enum, but then the extended override is on top of that |
| 19:42.44 | ls- | hm, since extended colours are just slightly modified base colours, you could probably return the number for the base colour, imho... |
| 19:43.45 | TSquare | I don't know how the enums match to colors though. there could be overlap |
| 19:43.56 | TSquare | what is this for? |
| 19:46.06 | ls- | well, right now if we want to colour something by selection, but don't want to use your colours, we have to do some voodoo w/ UnitSelectionColor's returns, e.g., calc rgb, to create an ID we could use for our own colours |
| 19:46.35 | ls- | the same thing we do w/ UnitReaction and custom reaction colours |
| 19:48.06 | TSquare | oh, wait. It looks like extended is in the list |
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| 19:54.26 | TSquare | how about: UnitSelectionType(\"unit\" [,useExtendedColors]) |
| 19:54.34 | TSquare | returns a number |
| 19:54.41 | ls- | noice |
| 19:58.01 | TSquare | FYI: |
| 19:58.02 | ls- | also, I've been testing selection thingy lately, and I found out that it's a bit buggy/wonky, there's two indicators on characters, the selection/outline and the circle underneath, thing is, it looks like checks that are used to determine which colour to use are different, and only the circle underneath pcs/npcs uses correct colours while the selection/outline may use an entirely different colour, not talking about shades of the same |
| 19:58.02 | ls- | colour |
| 19:58.03 | TSquare | enum SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_TYPE : int8 |
| 19:58.04 | TSquare | { |
| 19:58.04 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_HOSTILE, |
| 19:58.04 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_UNFRIENDLY, |
| 19:58.04 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_NEUTRAL, |
| 19:58.04 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_FRIENDLY, |
| 19:58.06 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_PLAYER_SIMPLE, |
| 19:58.08 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_PLAYER_EXTENDED, |
| 19:58.10 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_PARTY, |
| 19:58.12 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_PARTY_PVP, |
| 19:58.14 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_FRIEND, |
| 19:58.16 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_DEAD, |
| 19:58.18 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_COMMENTATOR_TEAM_1, |
| 19:58.20 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_COMMENTATOR_TEAM_2, |
| 19:58.22 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_SELF, |
| 19:58.24 | TSquare | SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_BATTLEGROUND_FRIENDLY_PVP, |
| 19:58.28 | TSquare | NUM_SELECTION_HIGHLIGHT_TYPES, |
| 19:58.30 | TSquare | }; |
| 19:58.36 | ls- | noice, ty <3 |
| 19:58.38 | ls- | for example, dead mobs, the circle is always grey as it should be, the selection/outline is almost always grey as well, however, sometime it may be red/yellow, UnitSelectionColor returns red/yellow colours as well |
| 19:58.39 | TSquare | they are different systems (I don't know why) |
| 19:59.06 | ls- | I know it's not your teams' stuff, but could you ask someone to look into it? |
| 19:59.18 | TSquare | they are also different enums |
| 19:59.24 | TSquare | what do you want me to ask? |
| 19:59.37 | ls- | player selection in combat also behaves weirdly when you target yourself |
| 19:59.48 | ls- | to make them use the same checks :V |
| 20:00.00 | ls- | so the colours they use are the same |
| 20:00.25 | TSquare | that may be intended? |
| 20:00.27 | ls- | like for dead mobs, the circle and the outline should be both grey, but the outline sometimes isn't |
| 20:00.36 | ls- | ofc, it may be |
| 20:00.54 | ls- | but if it's not, it'd be noice if they're following the same rules |
| 20:00.59 | ls- | I'm just asking |
| 20:01.17 | TSquare | Since they are very deliberatly seperate (and literally next to each other in code) I'm going with intended |
| 20:01.25 | TSquare | but I can ask |
| 20:01.31 | ls- | ty ty <3 |
| 20:02.55 | ls- | if it's intended, I'm fine w/ it, we can work w/ it anyway, but if it's a bug, or a typo, or whatever, it'd be nice if it's fixed :D |
| 20:05.02 | ls- | and ty for the "UnitSelectionType(\"unit\" [,useExtendedColors])" |
| 20:05.43 | ls- | how are things at work? BC is really close, I guess it's quite chaotic there o_O |
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| 20:09.17 | ls- | btw, could you dump actual colours as well? or are those a secret and can't be shared? some of these colours are a bit difficult to get on our own on live servers, I think I saw 7 colours so far, excl extended colours... >_> |
| 20:09.57 | TSquare | the colors are in a DB. |
| 20:10.27 | TSquare | BlizzCon is getting really close :) |
| 20:11.03 | TSquare | I love the SC2 pro scene. And I saw Scarlet in the lobby! :D |
| 20:11.26 | TSquare | I refrained from saying hi, and that I love watching her games |
| 20:11.39 | TSquare | I'm not sure if that was the right call :/ |
| 20:12.44 | ls- | scarlet? you mean sasha? noice one :D |
| 20:12.52 | TSquare | yea |
| 20:13.19 | TSquare | she's not in the tournament, but I think BlizzCon brings in a lot of pros |
| 20:13.52 | ls- | yeah, it's a fun experience either way, even if you don't actually play/perform there |
| 20:15.35 | znf | I'm still on the fence with the virtual ticket |
| 20:28.03 | znf | When you randomly log on https://i.imgur.com/VvN3iwA.jpg |
| 20:30.32 | TSquare | Oh my god, that UI! What have done?!?! |
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| 20:32.03 | znf | well, after a year, you get bored of the textures that you guys put in place |
| 20:32.21 | znf | the default userframes are lacking |
| 20:32.32 | znf | the default nameplates are ugly as hell |
| 20:32.38 | Alram | least its not in german! |
| 20:32.40 | ls- | at least use the same style of borders for ui elements >_> |
| 20:32.48 | TSquare | Players "fixing" the WoW UI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjD9X2mPIXY |
| 20:32.58 | TSquare | (Just kidding :) |
| 20:33.05 | znf | the buff-frame gets tainted by... anything |
| 20:33.07 | Alram | (are you tho) |
| 20:33.42 | znf | my dominant side is right, so I don't need the quest tracker on the right, because it's an after-tought |
| 20:34.01 | znf | why all the unit frames are aligned left in the default UI, I'll never know |
| 20:34.07 | ls- | oh, after looking at that screenshot, I remembered one thing |
| 20:34.52 | TSquare | I think we were trying to make the right side "clear" |
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| 20:35.50 | Maldivia | looks cleaner than mine :D |
| 20:35.52 | znf | ls-_, what border texture is not matching? |
| 20:36.20 | TSquare | I die little every time we add more UI to the hud :( |
| 20:36.41 | TSquare | that should be the place with the least UI |
| 20:36.56 | TSquare | but not likely to change at this point |
| 20:37.04 | znf | what do you mean by hud? |
| 20:37.12 | TSquare | Heads up display |
| 20:37.25 | ls-_ | TSquare, could you split nameplateShowOnlyNames into two cvars: one for friends, one for enemies. thing is, most people want to disable bars on friendly nameplates and have only names for better readability, usually there's no actual need to hide enemy nameplates' health bars o_O |
| 20:37.36 | TSquare | player frame, target frame, nameplates, map, etc |
| 20:37.38 | znf | I know what HUD means, but I'm not sure what's considered a "heads up display" in the case of WoW |
| 20:38.35 | znf | or, better yet, can we have templated styles to friendly nameplates, so we can use some sort of styling in dungeons? |
| 20:38.43 | TSquare | I guess I would not consider the "frames" as HUD. Character, Achievments, Azurite, etc that's where the UI can be big |
| 20:39.11 | znf | knp's friendly nameplates are so awesome to use, but being disabled in dungeons I just give up and turn friendly nameplates off there |
| 20:39.12 | TSquare | I would love it if the UI was mostly gone during combat |
| 20:39.12 | Maldivia | My UI has looked something like this since 2008 :D https://imgur.com/a/T0MlV0V |
| 20:39.28 | Alram | why is so much of it empty :( |
| 20:39.46 | znf | I wouldn't, I rely on my UI to give me relevant information during combat |
| 20:40.09 | ls- | and if a nameplate is in name-only mode, it'd be cool if class colours, ShowClassColorInFriendlyNameplate, were applied to names |
| 20:40.30 | Maldivia | Alram: top left: general chat, top right: guild/whisper/party chat, and combat log at the bottom -- but just logged in, so nothing there :) |
| 20:40.42 | Alram | fair enouogh |
| 20:40.43 | znf | shame that the russians had to ruin friendly nameplates for everyone :( |
| 20:40.48 | ls- | that'd greatly improve friendly nameplates |
| 20:40.57 | TSquare | it wasn't the russians |
| 20:41.20 | znf | wasn't the "last drop" the nameplate thing they did during star-guy-boss in EN? |
| 20:41.24 | znf | forgot what his name was |
| 20:41.39 | znf | NH not EN |
| 20:41.45 | ls- | russians just dgaf and posted videos publicly, but they weren't the only ones doing it |
| 20:41.58 | znf | Star Augur-guy |
| 20:42.29 | TSquare | I don't know about any Star Augur exploit |
| 20:42.29 | ls- | you could find a lot of entertaining stuff on ownedcore, etc back then :P |
| 20:42.31 | znf | I wasn't actively raiding back then so my memory is foggy, I had the impression that they added it as a module for their Exorsus Raid Tools? |
| 20:43.02 | znf | guess I'm wrong then :) |
| 20:43.07 | Maldivia | Alram: for comparison a 2009 version if it: https://imgur.com/a/TSwuruX -- slightly different layout at the bottom though |
| 20:44.34 | znf | Maldivia, many chat frames |
| 20:44.46 | Maldivia | znf: yep |
| 20:45.00 | znf | to be fair, the only thing I don't like about your UI is the border-texture and the fact that they are SOOOOO wide |
| 20:45.10 | znf | also that default skin on skada/recount must die |
| 20:45.26 | Maldivia | znf: the last one linked is 9 years old :D |
| 20:45.30 | ls- | znf: your action buttons and buffs use one border style, unit frames and uf auras use another style |
| 20:46.04 | znf | ls-, yeah, because suf can't color the borders anymore based on type of debuff if I use masque |
| 20:46.16 | znf | also, the specific masque skin I use looks horrible when attached to suf |
| 20:46.26 | ls- | make your own :P |
| 20:47.19 | znf | let me show you how horrible it is |
| 20:49.15 | ls- | I have one the weirdest UIs :P |
| 20:49.17 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/mQoHyR1.png |
| 20:52.41 | znf | and I can no longer see the colored border https://i.imgur.com/Ijw6Z0N.png :P |
| 20:55.32 | ls- | my target frame: https://i.imgur.com/sJ2uvu7.gif |
| 20:55.33 | ls- | >_> |
| 20:56.21 | Maldivia | TSquare: btw, do you know when it will be possible to delete mail from 'The Postmaster' with unique items that you already have (for instance if you solo Onyxia, you can't loot the backpack, so it gets mailed to you, but you can't delete the mail) |
| 20:56.30 | ls- | that's how I tank :D https://i.imgur.com/D0w2jPO.png |
| 20:57.27 | ls- | I do like drawing my own artwork though, so there's that... |
| 20:57.47 | znf | what's the green arrow? |
| 20:57.52 | Simca | i think by rule, blizzard mail is never deleteable, which is intentional to prevent mistakes |
| 20:58.17 | znf | I don't remember having that issue with the Onyxya bag |
| 20:58.38 | znf | ls-, your font looks like crap :( |
| 20:58.47 | ls- | default blizz fonts :P |
| 20:58.58 | Maldivia | znf: depends if you still use it or not (I use one as a bank bag( |
| 20:59.14 | znf | ah, I upgraded thos eages ago |
| 20:59.18 | ls- | as for the green arrow, I show both buffs and debuffs in the same element, so I need to see what's what, so I added that arrow |
| 20:59.21 | znf | ls-, I was referring to anti-aliasing |
| 21:00.10 | znf | I'm guessing you run with it disabled? |
| 21:00.53 | znf | FXAA Low absolutely murders the world text |
| 21:01.40 | ls- | eh? I just don't use friendly nameplates in any way shape or form, that's how fonts are normally rendered at such distance |
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| 21:01.57 | znf | ls-, no |
| 21:02.17 | znf | FXAA: https://i.imgur.com/FhIwE6Q.png |
| 21:02.30 | znf | MSAA: https://i.imgur.com/H99UQdd.png |
| 21:03.28 | ls- | I don't use fxaa though |
| 21:04.44 | ls- | and it looks like you also replaced blizz fonts |
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| 21:06.49 | znf | I'm really fucking annoyed how the horde guards do ABSOLUTELY nothing in pvp scenarios |
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| 21:07.16 | znf | but you pass 1000 yards around boralus and you get chased to the end of the earth |
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| 21:11.02 | znf | surprisingly, the island expedition mobs attack any alliance that pass trough |
| 21:11.04 | znf | guards are mia |
| 21:28.20 | ls- | oh, znf, ui textures in full res: https://i.imgur.com/IX8I3JU.png :D |
| 21:28.44 | ls- | I draw everything w/ 4K in mind >_> |
| 21:29.43 | znf | I never liked that style of frame |
| 21:29.46 | znf | round thingie |
| 21:30.14 | ls- | I have a standard layout as well :P |
| 21:30.26 | znf | also, I don't see the need for the minimap to be /there/ |
| 21:32.18 | ls- | I actually like it when it's down there >_> |
| 21:32.33 | ls- | dunno where that habit is from |
| 21:32.35 | nebula | that's what she said |
| 21:32.41 | ls- | prob some old 4x |
| 21:33.03 | ls- | standard: https://i.imgur.com/SxYiGw4.png |
| 21:35.26 | znf | your userframes are huge? |
| 21:35.37 | nebula | i think the minimap down at the bottom is a carry over from when it was popular to resize the viewport and shove everything down there |
| 21:36.01 | ls- | nah, I never resized viewport, never like the effect |
| 21:36.23 | ls- | I think it's from some 4x or rts that used to have minimaps down there |
| 21:37.04 | nebula | that makes sense, too |
| 21:37.16 | znf | I play on 27", everything on the sides is technically in my peripherical (spelling?) vision, so it makes sense that non-important elements are throw in the corners |
| 21:37.30 | znf | minimap is probably the least important while in combat |
| 21:37.48 | ls- | znf: they aren't huge, they're smaller than your unit frames :< |
| 21:39.02 | znf | realistically everything that is outside of this rectangle is pretty much non-important during combat https://i.imgur.com/Fa1JmPx.png |
| 21:39.47 | ls- | that's how they look on my screen, I'm a 1200p pleb :P https://i.imgur.com/BY0UJHn.png |
| 21:39.49 | znf | even the damage-meter is outside of my normal view |
| 21:40.31 | znf | why are your guilds colored? |
| 21:40.39 | znf | in the spam in /2 |
| 21:41.03 | ls- | default prat settings >_> |
| 21:41.19 | znf | ah, the little addon that wants to be an operating system |
| 21:42.00 | ls- | the only reason I use chat addons is to be able to resize the chat frame so I could dump/print a lot of stuff at once |
| 21:42.33 | ls- | I sometimes play w/ chat frame covering half of my screen :D |
| 21:46.11 | ls- | anyway, gn <3 almost 5am here... |
| 21:46.18 | ls- | at least I don't need to work tomorrow |
| 21:46.44 | ls- | but I'll get only 5hrs of sleep, rip >_> |
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| 22:11.33 | TSquare | Maldivia: I don't know of any plans currently. I know we have discussed it in the past. I think there is some edge case that we were concerned of (I don't remember the details). I think we ended with: it's not that big of a deal to have the player delete it themselves. |
| 22:13.15 | Maldivia | TSquare: the problem is, I can't delete it, I have to wait the 30 days to let the mail rot |
| 22:14.19 | TSquare | oh, I see |
| 22:14.27 | TSquare | Are there many things like this? |
| 22:15.06 | Maldivia | seems to mostly be the dragon back packs (onyxia, wyrmrest temple ones) |
| 22:15.39 | TSquare | I'm not familiar with them. Are they special any any way? |
| 22:15.40 | Maldivia | also the quest items from BWL nef, if you already have it somewhere, it's stuck in your email |
| 22:16.05 | Maldivia | they are unique, so when sent with Postmaster mail, you can't take them out, and you can't delete the mail |
| 22:16.16 | TSquare | I mean, other than that. |
| 22:16.27 | TSquare | maybe they don't need to be unique anymore |
| 22:16.48 | Maldivia | they are 22 slot bahs |
| 22:17.06 | Maldivia | probably not the end of the world if they weren't unique |
| 22:17.15 | TSquare | I'll mention it to design |
| 22:18.01 | Maldivia | mostly just annoying if you're doing trans/mount/pet farming |
| 22:19.04 | Semlar | i wonder how many people are still on this account-wide pet battle quest that you can't abandon |
| 22:19.34 | Semlar | completing it is more work than i'm willing to put into freeing up a quest slot |
| 22:20.11 | Maldivia | I assumed it didn't take a slot -- I have it on my chars :D |
| 22:20.53 | Semlar | it does |
| 22:21.13 | Semlar | of course it's hard to tell because the ui doesn't actually tell you how many quest slots there are |
| 22:21.24 | Maldivia | not antmore |
| 22:32.12 | MentalPower | It used to |
| 22:32.33 | MentalPower | I wonder how much the UI will be rolled back for Classic :) |
| 22:41.09 | TSquare | All the way, baby! |
| 22:42.25 | Maldivia | incoming HealBot? |
| 22:42.49 | TSquare | pfft ... no |
| 22:42.55 | Maldivia | you said all the way :D |
| 22:43.01 | TSquare | for the UI |
| 22:43.04 | TSquare | not the API :P |
| 22:43.57 | znf | I can't wait for this hype to gtfo |
| 22:44.03 | nevcairiel | last week he said he doesnt know about classic UI, so thats progress :P |
| 22:44.04 | TSquare | they are using a more modern code base, and rolling the UI back (visually) to classic |
| 22:44.18 | TSquare | they mentioned this :) |
| 22:45.48 | znf | won't be fun without 1-button-rotation-macros |
| 22:45.57 | znf | not faithful recreation! |
| 22:46.46 | TSquare | and 10 hour queues ... |
| 22:47.14 | Maldivia | queue queuedance |
| 22:47.50 | Vardex[m] | Can't automate my gameplay with addon ð |
| 22:56.49 | znf | I'm still not so secretly hoping that classic dies very quick |
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| 23:11.27 | nebula | eh, i'm sure as long as there are servers up people will be playing it and nothing will change except we'll get a new flavor of complaints |
| 23:12.09 | Simca | yeah the demo client already has most of the UI rolled back |
| 23:13.04 | nebula | i didn't actually check diffs, i assume it was just the 7.3.5 ui with like a new talents ui |
| 23:13.07 | nebula | assumed* |
| 23:13.52 | Simca | no, and there are API changes on the base level too. they had to restore pre-legion crafting API and expose some other functions that have been long deprecated |
| 23:14.17 | Simca | i noticed they also removed the _ABSORB combat log events, which is sad |
| 23:14.29 | Simca | accurate to how it was back then, but sad for addons |
| 23:15.09 | Simca | otherwise details/recount etc would have nearly worked perfectly without changes |
| 23:15.22 | Simca | but there's a handful of combat log reversions |
| 23:16.05 | Simca | still definitely possible for any addon to support live and classic simultaneously, just a little bit messy if you interact heavily with the parts that have changed |
| 23:16.26 | nebula | aw, i figured the combat log would match retail since it's backend stuffs |
| 23:16.59 | Simca | i think it's because some underlying mechanics with priorities and absorbs changed in wrath |
| 23:17.04 | znf | boo |
| 23:17.07 | Simca | and reverting that was related to this |
| 23:30.07 | znf | Getting gear with sockets makes it very hard to find upgrades :-/ |
| 23:30.12 | znf | I now have 7 sockets on my gear |
| 23:30.30 | znf | 7/12 slots have sockets :-| |
