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| 00:04.14 | Ssateneth | just a really badly coded personal addon |
| 00:04.36 | Ssateneth | lotsa taint and whatnot, but never really noticed any other adverse effects |
| 00:06.59 | Ssateneth | now i can finally do tol dagor cannons and beachhead WQ |
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| 00:08.50 | Mr_Rabies | really not cool with some addon getting involved in the trade window |
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| 00:28.59 | TomCat | would be funnier if it was called Panda Xi Jinping. Mentioning this got John Oliver's show banned in China |
| 00:30.26 | TomCat | oh wait nvm - I got it confused... different bear. Apparently it's common for Xi Jinping to be compared to Winnie the Pooh, which he is sensitive of... which is what John Oliver mocked |
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| 08:41.57 | VIad | znf: makes no sense. why completely kill the reason to have warmode on? |
| 08:42.09 | znf | I have no idea |
| 08:42.12 | VIad | thought war crates should be a reason to make conflict in a zone. |
| 08:42.21 | znf | but Holinka is back on the team, so... |
| 08:42.21 | znf | :D |
| 08:42.42 | VIad | make a drop, make it somewhat visible by everyone, converge on the point, use sharding to balance the "teams" and let them go at it |
| 08:42.43 | znf | I was wondering if you opened any crate yesterday |
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| 08:42.54 | VIad | inb4 one side has 4 disc priests and other side has no healers |
| 08:43.17 | VIad | since I got my pvp achievements done in warmode I've kept it off for the most part,makes using the summoning stone easier :P |
| 08:43.29 | znf | also the actual conflict zones are the azerite WQs :P |
| 08:44.15 | VIad | inb4 the azerite WQs some of the most peacefull and quick Q to do |
| 08:44.35 | VIad | killing ele one can be slow though... |
| 08:44.36 | znf | not here |
| 08:44.45 | znf | it's always where the pvp happens |
| 08:45.27 | nevcairiel | world pvp is always just random zerging, i'll never understand how anyone can like that |
| 08:45.35 | nevcairiel | the only fun aspects are playing a proper strategy |
| 08:45.52 | znf | I only do it for the talents |
| 08:45.57 | VIad | my friend, feral wanted to do the achievements with me, so I went havoc, and we had a lot of fun, a lot of angry whispers that day. |
| 08:46.15 | znf | it's quite rare, overall, to get into actual pvp |
| 08:46.32 | VIad | some issues blizz might want to look into is sharding behavior when it tries to rebalance (in its own weird way) a zone |
| 08:46.34 | znf | my fights lately end up in one person running - either me or them, when someone gets bored enough to attack me |
| 08:46.49 | znf | but overall, we take turns on quest mobs |
| 08:46.55 | VIad | it can sometimes force you into a new phase, it happened a couple of times DURING tortollan WQ that drops me out of the "vehicle" mid quest :P |
| 08:47.10 | VIad | also removes the bounty marker if it happens so thats not that fun |
| 08:48.09 | VIad | general AI to try to rebalance pvpers to pvp together might not be that bad either as often I think you only got one or two groups that like, go around kill people for achievements, but most just keep it on for questing |
| 08:48.34 | VIad | was called many names by people that probably keep warmode on only for the talents, and get angry when they get farmed for honor on their WQ go figure. |
| 08:49.18 | znf | my gripe with world pvp is that they end up increasing the death timer every time |
| 08:49.33 | znf | keep that shit off in warmode, if I want to die 50 times to the same group, let me, I'm trying to have fun here |
| 08:49.40 | znf | but nooo, now you have to wait 2 minutes for a rezz |
| 08:49.53 | VIad | imagine the honor farm boosters, would be done so quickly! |
| 08:50.10 | VIad | naked 110 chars on the GY, get invited and spam your aoe on them for 10 min to cap your achievement :D |
| 08:50.25 | VIad | with no CD probably would cap it even quicker |
| 08:50.29 | nevcairiel | its not about you wanting to die a hundred times, but also actually giving one s ide a chance to win a fight without instant respawn everywhere |
| 08:50.48 | VIad | with phasing it sometimes feels like that though |
| 08:50.59 | VIad | many groups back then put them up on the finder and got a lot of people to join |
| 08:51.05 | VIad | to kill us with bounty :P |
| 08:51.07 | nevcairiel | dieing is meaningless if you respawn instantly, if you have to wait 2 minutes, you possibly pay more attention :p |
| 08:51.14 | VIad | so that 5-10 man turned into 40 man rather quickly |
| 08:51.50 | znf | nevcairiel: there's also the corpsewalk... |
| 08:52.05 | VIad | dunno what it means but me and my friend looted a war crate in zandalar right behind the elite rare bird mob, on the feet of the temple itself. |
| 08:52.07 | znf | but if I die near one of my settlements, trying to defend it, let me fucking rezz and keep fighting on |
| 08:52.22 | VIad | no hordes ever came to try contest that day. |
| 08:52.32 | nevcairiel | but how would you ever win if you insta res because you fight next too a GY? |
| 08:52.32 | znf | no hordes go there :P |
| 08:52.36 | znf | it's not in our path |
| 08:52.37 | nevcairiel | thats the entire point :p |
| 08:52.53 | VIad | thought the long road from docks and up was manned |
| 08:53.00 | VIad | or at least with drop incoming many would see it :P |
| 08:53.08 | VIad | since it spawned literally in the city area |
| 08:53.11 | znf | nevcairiel: I can single out their healer as much as I can, and "hope" that the guards also attack it |
| 08:53.19 | znf | VIad: no, that's pretty much outside of our area |
| 08:53.28 | znf | I mean, we take a Flight Path from temple to docks |
| 08:53.32 | znf | and that area is barely visited |
| 08:53.46 | VIad | with WM on I'd imagine people to hear it and see its so close |
| 08:53.48 | VIad | and go for it :P |
| 08:53.52 | VIad | literally free loot for horde |
| 08:53.54 | znf | a bit further up it has unfriendly NPCs :P |
| 08:54.01 | znf | (even for us) |
| 08:54.19 | znf | so no, people take the FP from top of temple to port and go further down (south) |
| 08:54.22 | VIad | same in boralus, some hostile faction have a lot of parts of the city where horde too sometimes WQ |
| 08:54.45 | znf | but yeah, people don't know what the crate is about |
| 08:54.48 | VIad | thats what I mean, if dropship is so hard to find even when literally inside main city and still no one shows up, its bad |
| 08:54.50 | znf | I rarely see any other person going for it |
| 08:55.06 | VIad | I only saw people go for them back when lvling |
| 08:55.06 | znf | and I usually wait and even say it in /1 |
| 08:55.09 | VIad | first weeks of bfa |
| 08:55.10 | znf | "crate at x,y" |
| 08:55.31 | znf | only once I had 2 people whispering me asking for an invite to the location |
| 08:55.34 | VIad | maybe if the rewards scaled up proportional to your rating or at least followed the scaleable gear rules :P |
| 08:55.41 | znf | pretty sure it does |
| 08:55.53 | VIad | easier to afk in city and spam arena queue for random reward |
| 08:56.00 | VIad | than to roam around hoping for crate drop |
| 08:56.04 | VIad | for abysmal reward :D |
| 08:56.34 | znf | I don't do arenas, but I clicked the silly twitter icon once and I notice some season-rating stuff in the item's link |
| 08:56.37 | VIad | thats why I think drops should be local to the zone, but people in it should be able to see the ship on their map once they look up to spot it with their cameras |
| 08:56.54 | znf | the crate drop is very frustrating tough :-/ |
| 08:56.55 | VIad | like you hear the sound, you look for the ship, if you make visual contact it appears on the map so you can easier see where it will drop |
| 08:56.59 | znf | a lot of times it's in impossible areas |
| 08:57.25 | VIad | they should use your ingame voice to blow in the mic so you blow the crate as it lands on or off trees and shit |
| 08:57.41 | VIad | make it a physical activity too! |
| 08:57.53 | VIad | but yeah it's kind of funny. |
| 08:58.37 | VIad | it wouldnt have hurt to have it drop in assigned spots |
| 08:58.50 | VIad | can still be enough spots for it to be random enough |
| 08:59.06 | VIad | like open seas in trigarde sound and one rock in the middle, has happened :D |
| 08:59.24 | VIad | think the rule is not in water, but can happen if the shore is close by it |
| 09:00.08 | VIad | think we should have the technology to make navmesh for the crate drops in 2018 |
| 09:00.10 | znf | But there is |
| 09:00.16 | znf | I mean |
| 09:00.20 | znf | The spots are fixed |
| 09:00.34 | znf | I mean. Random but fixed |
| 09:01.05 | VIad | I doubt it. drop of trees and at the cliff walls that only a DH can glide to and crap? :D |
| 09:01.13 | znf | Yes |
| 09:01.24 | znf | They are somewhat fixed |
| 09:01.31 | VIad | like I saw a mountain wall no one can traverse except a weird slowfall trick jump to land on it or smth |
| 09:01.50 | znf | I loot the one you mentioned all the time |
| 09:01.59 | VIad | I feel the navmesh is too basic. just anything "floor" pick a point then random(-50, 50) yards and there it drops |
| 09:02.28 | VIad | the middle of the flat ground turned into the treetop of those zandalar trees you can't get on top of :D |
| 09:02.38 | VIad | seen it also spawn INSIDE a tree |
| 09:02.43 | VIad | dunno how thats even possible |
| 09:03.02 | znf | I'm more annoyed that you can't figure out if an airship dropped its load or not |
| 09:03.20 | znf | You look at it but can't figure out if it dropped it yet or not |
| 09:29.52 | VIad | it's kind of the least of their worries at this stage, so doubt there will be a change for bfa, and the feature might die with bfa as well sadly :( |
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| 13:00.08 | VIad | ThisWorkbook.Queries exists in 2016 but not in older versions. One would assume you could have a logical check for version, but the compiler will error if you try to .Queries it anywhere in the code... |
| 13:00.34 | VIad | "Compile error: Method or data member not found." |
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| 14:58.09 | GrumpyBeard | good morning guys, has anyone noticed if UnitAura (or AuraUtil.FindAuraByName) has been returning nil values even when the aura exists? |
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| 15:50.13 | TSquare | Good Morning |
| 16:04.55 | Funkeh` | morning |
| 16:34.55 | Simca_ | the #1 thing i'm curious about for classic WoW is if they remembered to remove support for mounts in the water, lol |
| 16:35.07 | Simca_ | since the current engine probably always allows it |
| 16:35.45 | Simca_ | also, are they going to replicate the 40 debuff limit? because that was as much a technical limitation as an intention, so... |
| 16:36.54 | GrumpyBeard | probably? Can't say about mounts but the debuff limitation I see no problem with it... as an improvement. |
| 16:37.04 | nevcairiel | Simca_: intention or not, still controlled gameplay to a large degree |
| 16:37.43 | nevcairiel | it'll be nothing more then a novelty anyway |
| 16:37.52 | GrumpyBeard | Unless the debuff limitation had anything to do with gameplay, to break or not. We have a much better engine today, so improvements are expected. |
| 16:38.24 | Simca_ | it did limit gameplay, yeah. warlocks were generally only allowed to apply 1 DoT (their strongest) and stuff like that |
| 16:39.10 | Funkeh` | https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_SendWho if someone wants to edit it ( foxlit ?) you can do x- for an exact match |
| 16:40.09 | GrumpyBeard | @Simca_ not very hard to edit. People will feedback and they will change. |
| 16:43.35 | Funkeh` | ** exact match of player names only |
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| 16:54.51 | Stanzilla | We also typically limit the time our BlizzCon attendees can play a demo, and that will be the case for BlizzCon WoW Classic Demo players at home. In order to maximize the number of people who can try out the demo, initially youâll be logged off after playing for a certain amount of time to give somebody else a turn. We havenât determined exactly how long this time limit will be yet, but weâre also |
| 16:54.54 | Stanzilla | that is |
| 16:54.55 | Stanzilla | so bad |
| 16:55.19 | Funkeh` | how so? |
| 16:55.41 | Funkeh` | lame yes, needed? considering the demand, yeah |
| 16:55.43 | nevcairiel | they have limited resources for a limited-time demo, and want everyone be able to play, seems fine |
| 16:57.28 | nevcairiel | better then constantly having the thing crash from overload or sitting in queues for ever |
| 16:59.28 | nevcairiel | anyhow classic will still flop hard anyway, for the purists it wont be pure enough, and for normal players it'll be a 15 year old game, cant make anyone happy |
| 17:00.02 | Funkeh` | as long as they don't over estimate the playerbase in terms of budget, should be fine |
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| 17:04.51 | Funkeh` | everyone i know will be buying it, which should easily cover all the initial dev costs. There's not going to be much to do after that short of bug fixes, it's not like they will be adding content. |
| 17:05.25 | Funkeh` | I agree with you that it won't have staying power though |
| 17:06.34 | nevcairiel | in a 2018 world, vanilla just isnt a good game anymore, and nostalgia wears off pretty fast |
| 17:06.55 | Funkeh` | Yup, but it's just like every other "HD" remake |
| 17:07.25 | nevcairiel | i would play the hell out of WC3 HD, because thats still a good RTS |
| 17:07.37 | AcidWeb | I also consider classic a waste of time. Maybe if that manpower would be used for 8.0 we would not play early beta now. |
| 17:08.07 | nevcairiel | i would probably also play D2 HD for quite a bit |
| 17:08.08 | Funkeh` | I honestly don't see why you'd think it's a waste of time, because it has to keep the playerbase long term? |
| 17:09.47 | nevcairiel | because it has no future |
| 17:10.03 | Funkeh` | why do you think it needs one? |
| 17:10.11 | nevcairiel | maybe you get enough people to buy it to make the money back you spent on it, but after that its just dead |
| 17:10.33 | nevcairiel | i rather them spent time on the future of the game, not the past, is all |
| 17:10.37 | Funkeh` | yeah, just like everyone other game that doesn't get continues content updates, but that's just fine |
| 17:11.33 | Funkeh` | People bought the game, they had fun, devs covered the costs, objective met in my book |
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| 17:28.18 | TSquare | Personally I think having queues would have been a more authentic classic experience. :P |
| 17:28.47 | Funkeh` | lol! |
| 17:28.49 | Simca_ | lol |
| 17:29.00 | Simca_ | also 3 day emergency server maint 1 month after launch |
| 17:29.04 | Simca_ | that would be authentic |
| 17:29.41 | TSquare | There is/was a lot of discussion about putting resources toward classic. I think one of the things that swayed it, was the huge public request for it. |
| 17:30.24 | TSquare | in before: Blizzard never listens to the players |
| 17:30.27 | nevcairiel | the problem is t hat this public will never be happy |
| 17:30.39 | nevcairiel | because there is thousands of unrealistic expectations towards it |
| 17:30.53 | Simca_ | it will be interesting |
| 17:30.58 | nevcairiel | which is w hy most of us never expected it to happen |
| 17:31.05 | TSquare | I think this demo will give us a lot of information about that specifically |
| 17:31.34 | Funkeh` | and here's hoping the 8.1 dx12/threaded improvements make it into classic because day 1 will be a chaotic amount of characters |
| 17:31.45 | Simca_ | they should! that will be great, yeah |
| 17:31.55 | Simca_ | actually going into ironforge with more than 5 fps |
| 17:31.58 | Simca_ | that will be weird. |
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| 17:33.18 | Simca_ | i remember pushing W to move from the mailbox to towards the AH, screen locks up, i get control 20 seconds later and my character is in the trench running into a wall. |
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| 17:34.29 | ls- | damn, so many people are crying about blizz's decision to indirectly fix old exploits and stuff, "no hacks? what's the point then?" and so on... |
| 17:35.08 | Simca_ | those are probably trolls |
| 17:35.21 | Simca_ | i think most people are happy about that kind of thing |
| 17:35.28 | ls- | enough people are dead serious about it |
| 17:35.46 | Funkeh` | they won't get their way so don't waste your energy worrying about it |
| 17:36.50 | ls- | I'm not wasting anything though, well, besides my time, because it's quite entertaining, that's my bedtime read for today :P |
| 17:38.11 | Simca_ | i have seen the 'no wall jumps? that sucks' complaint, and that's somewhat understandable. it was a pretty popular pastime. but it was mostly broken by the end of vanilla anyway. |
| 17:39.51 | Simca_ | i'm curious about how the UI will work. like I assume they're going to keep the secure system in place, so no decision-making addons |
| 17:40.22 | nevcairiel | which would also break core raiding mechanics |
| 17:40.37 | nevcairiel | playing classic raids without decursive is pretty much impossible, if not at least extremely tedious |
| 17:40.57 | Simca_ | you could work around it, assign dispels by group # |
| 17:41.03 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 17:41.06 | nevcairiel | but see tedious |
| 17:41.11 | nevcairiel | also quite a break to classic |
| 17:42.02 | Simca_ | i mean the original system was pretty tedious too. but yeah, like i said, it'll be interesting because it's a no win situation. you'll have complaints that addons are playing the game (and let's be fair, the stuff back then was barely scrapping the surface for how much of the game could be automated without combat restrictions) |
| 17:42.17 | Simca_ | or you'll have complaints that decursing sucks |
| 17:43.22 | Simca_ | they have a lot of really hard choices like that to make |
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| 18:08.08 | Funkeh` | "Because itâs a demo, thereâll will be some limitations on the content: the Deadmines and Wailing Caverns dungeons wonât be available, the only PvP will be dueling, and you wonât be able to visit zones other than Westfall and the Barrens" |
| 18:08.14 | Funkeh` | the best zones! |
| 18:08.27 | Funkeh` | https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/8088-Dev-Watercooler-Inside-the-World-of-Warcraft-Classic-BlizzCon-Demo |
| 18:12.37 | Alram | just gonna hang with blanchy |
| 18:13.41 | Alram | maybe i'll try and warn her about what is coming |
| 18:14.19 | Funkeh` | "buy apple stock" |
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| 18:55.13 | Simca_ | it is possible they will go that route. it's still a little weird. |
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| 20:02.12 | ls- | TSquare, what does the second arg of UnitSelectionColor exactly do? from what I've seen so far, it adjusts some colours for better readability, for instance, typical {0, 0, 255} blue turns into {96, 96, 255} or even {170, 170, 255}. amirite? |
| 20:23.31 | TSquare | ls- I'm not sure exactly. It looks like there was supposed to be something called "extended colors" but it only seems to work for players, and there is only one option |
| 20:23.51 | TSquare | I don't think I've ever seen this code before :P |
| 20:23.56 | ls- | :D |
| 20:23.57 | TSquare | so I'm not very sure |
| 20:27.20 | ls- | ty, and yeah, the reason why I asked was its a bit ambiguous name |
| 20:28.45 | ls- | looks like it affects only that blue colour, it's used for player names, but since {0, 0, 255} is REALLY hard to see if there's no contrast background, this func returns lighter blues instead |
| 20:37.50 | ls- | I should prob document this function on wowpedia, but how should I describe "selection", it's char's outline and that circle underneath |
| 20:38.39 | ls- | lol, currently it says "Returns the gender of the specified unit." :D |
| 20:38.44 | ls- | anyway, good night o/ |
| 20:41.59 | Industrial | How do I fix my link? https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=23978 |
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| 20:58.13 | Gnarfoz | depends, what's the bbcode behind that? ^^ |
| 20:58.41 | Gnarfoz | (one would assume that should just be [url]actual url[/url] |
| 21:00.29 | Gnarfoz | it seems I used [URL="http://blaaaah"]http://blaaaah[/URL] at some point in one of my few addon descriptions on WoWI and that seems to still work |
| 21:00.43 | Gnarfoz | not sure that's entirely necessary for the url=text case |
| 21:02.19 | Gnarfoz | the preview functionality suggests that [URL]https://blah[/URL] should also work -- so... you probably dun goofed? ^^ |
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| 21:15.41 | znf | > mechanical creatures may be immune to some of your abilities. We brought all of that back, and weâre as excited about it as you are. |
| 21:15.42 | znf | nope.jpg |
| 21:20.35 | znf | >initially youâll be logged off after playing for a certain amount of time to give somebody else a turn |
| 21:20.38 | znf | wait wat |
| 21:20.58 | nevcairiel | welcome to hours ago |
| 21:21.36 | nevcairiel | its a demo system with limited resources, so to avoid very long queues, you get to take a turn and then someone else does |
| 21:21.54 | znf | just woke up a while ago, thank you for the warm welcome |
| 21:22.02 | znf | still.... limited time? :-/ |
| 21:23.08 | nevcairiel | the alternative is that some might never get in because of hours long queues |
| 21:27.34 | znf | what about debuff slots? :P |
| 21:28.31 | Alram | We'll see soon enough |
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| 22:22.23 | Ssateneth | the limited time is only for the blizzcon demo |
| 22:22.45 | Ssateneth | public beta that you cna play at home wont kick you off after X amount of time |
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| 22:52.40 | Gnarfoz | the text clearly says the opposite |