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| 02:49.49 | znf | A bigger question is why you have a Meraki at home :P |
| 02:50.06 | znf | Guessing you got the free one from that webinar? |
| 03:06.47 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:07.03 | Arrowmaster | I have a free stack of gear from CMNA certification |
| 03:08.15 | Arrowmaster | I'd rather use my FortiGate but its only an 80C with 100mbit lan ports |
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| 04:56.06 | Simca | znf: yeah that "Grevious can't be removed after dungeon ends even on reaching full HP" bug was introduced in 7.3.0 or 7.3.5. had to deal with it often in legion too. remember having to hearth out of Xavius' room in DHT before I died |
| 04:56.45 | znf | I feel like the effect is way too hard, especially on Disc priests |
| 05:07.28 | Simca | disc has the easiest time in the entire game of handling it |
| 05:07.54 | Simca | you can preshield before incoming AoE, preventing situations where every other group will have to push every single CD |
| 05:09.07 | Simca | the effect is truly ridiculous though. in a KR 10 with full 370 players, I had to push every single CD on the pull with Zul and cast literally only my two highest HPS spells and only on the tank from start to end. and he still almost died. |
| 05:09.15 | Simca | everyone else who took incidental damage in the pull died |
| 05:09.26 | Simca | i think i had like 32k HPS for that pull |
| 05:09.37 | Simca | and still had 3 deaths |
| 05:09.40 | Simca | if that isn't overtuned, idk what is |
| 05:11.37 | Simca | I think the problem is prydaz |
| 05:12.24 | Simca | everyone was using it on Grevious weeks in Legion. that plus the nerfs to absorbs across the board (Ignore Pain was gutted, Death Strike's absorb was reduced while the heal was increased, etc) means that players are generally much more likely to be below 90% health in BFA than in Legion. |
| 05:12.40 | Simca | severely increasingly the difficulty of what was already one of the most difficult affixes |
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| 05:26.26 | znf | I feel like they should change the way the stacks work |
| 05:26.40 | znf | right now I think it's timed base, right? |
| 05:27.08 | znf | would probably be a bit easier if it stacked based on percentage lost |
| 05:27.25 | znf | < 80% = 2 stacks, < 90% = 1 stack |
| 05:29.16 | znf | I've read on wowhead that some people have had their Treats disappear when they logged off |
| 05:29.21 | znf | I'm scared to shit to log off now :D |
| 06:11.02 | znf | oh, someone explained it step-by-step https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9pbzl9/bfa_gear_scaling_in_arena_or_how_to_inch_above/ |
| 06:43.47 | Semlar | grievous is kinda hard on demon hunters because they have a pretty large health pool compared to most of the other tanks |
| 06:45.08 | Semlar | it takes more healing to top them off |
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| 10:33.10 | VIad | znf: you played in EU right? |
| 10:35.39 | Chipzz | Industrial: some of what your addon does is covered by other addons (and in an IMO better way): auto-repair: downright bad and I would suggest removing it even, me personally I always repair at exalted reps for the 20% discount, with huge repair bills these days the 20% is not sth I want to fucked out off (especially bad since the readme doesn't list it having to be enabled); mail: checkout out postal and |
| 10:35.45 | Chipzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.27 | VIad | Chipzz: any feedback about my addons? |
| 10:38.27 | Chipzz | VIad: I was reading the scrollback and Industrial mentioned his, so no :) |
| 10:40.06 | VIad | no one else uses MiniLoot except like 2 people but it's worth having around just for my personal use :P |
| 10:40.19 | VIad | I guess most of us make addons for personal use first and foremost |
| 10:40.38 | Chipzz | VIad: he specifically linked https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23978-v8.0.0-1.4.0.html (but I guess not as an invitation for review :P ) |
| 10:42.09 | Chipzz | VIad: right, and not sure if he's aware of the addons I mentioned in my feedback |
| 10:45.49 | Chipzz | I only have 1 finishd tiny (20 lines?) addon I didnt publish which overrides the toggle sound from blizzard |
| 10:46.11 | Chipzz | default toggle sound ALWAYS enables ambient sounds and I truely hate those |
| 10:46.13 | VIad | I don't understand how you manage to keep it up to date |
| 10:46.21 | VIad | has to be so much work |
| 10:46.58 | Chipzz | yeah lol, but it's more like a persoal gripe against ambient sounds, doubt anyone else is annoyed by them as much as I am :) |
| 10:48.12 | Chipzz | those bloody things made me think that my hard drive was breaking down, until I realized that a) my toon was afk'ing near an engineering trainer and b) I have an SSD in my laptop :P |
| 10:48.19 | Chipzz | still annoyed the fuck out of me :) |
| 10:51.12 | VIad | I had to hack to make DoEmote not to the read one during world map |
| 10:51.20 | VIad | if I /dance and look at the map, the read would stop it |
| 10:55.21 | Chipzz | I also realized recently that there was a much better solution to get rid of ambient sounds than writing an addon; I could have just dragged the slider for amobient sounds to 0 :P |
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| 11:14.02 | VIad | TheDanW: I saw you fixed the world map filter issue so you get to filter on what to show on the map based on what emisaries are on it nice! |
| 11:21.33 | nevcairiel | [07:09:40] <Simca> if that isn't overtuned, idk what is <-- honestly i feel that way about a bunch of affixes, m+ seems generally be rather badly tuned for the bfa world, the difficulty differences between some dungeons are staggering, some affixes are insane |
| 11:29.26 | nevcairiel | i dont mind if stuff is difficult, just when its so inconsistent, some weeks are trivial, some are impossible. some dungeons are trivial, some a re impossible. Some variance is fine, sure, but there is just no balance whatsoever between affixes and dungeons |
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| 11:36.28 | Stanzilla | I feel like that's the result of what they said with "with BfA we designed the dungeons with m+ in mind" |
| 11:36.34 | Stanzilla | and as always they went a bit overboar |
| 11:36.35 | Stanzilla | d |
| 11:37.14 | Stanzilla | if you're constantly thinking how a tournament run would look like in a dungeon you are currently building you end up with what we have now, trash that has more abilities per mob than a boss etc |
| 11:37.43 | Stanzilla | I'd love to see some postive affixes come to m+, like you always have two negatives and one positive or something like that |
| 11:39.00 | nevcairiel | i would like a category of affixes that allows you to balance between good and bad |
| 11:39.35 | nevcairiel | give it the ability to buff you at an increase in difficulty in s ome form |
| 11:39.39 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 11:39.42 | Stanzilla | that would be super cool |
| 11:39.43 | nevcairiel | so you can ignore it and just go about your day |
| 11:39.53 | nevcairiel | or you can use it and increase your risk, to get better timnes |
| 11:40.24 | Stanzilla | but I can already tell you that would dismiss that idea because "the UI would be too complicated" or something like that |
| 11:40.31 | nevcairiel | i think they experimented with some of those once, like giving you more damage if you were low hp |
| 11:42.20 | Stanzilla | they could test this as a random brawl |
| 11:42.24 | Stanzilla | like they test pvp stuff |
| 11:43.31 | VIad | I think the issue is not enough time to test dungeons and affixes |
| 11:43.45 | VIad | first weeks of new affixes often results in a tons of hotfixes and tweaks during live |
| 11:44.30 | VIad | boralus being different for horde and alliance in terms of difficulty isn't surprising either but adds more complexity as well |
| 11:45.00 | nevcairiel | i just stopped playing for the time being, november is full of new games anyway |
| 11:45.49 | VIad | they could probably iron out the largest issues with AI bot testing |
| 11:46.42 | VIad | kind of brute force your way to find anomalies that you can consider when balancing, and less time spent on running players through and reading feedback in alpha/beta dev stages, more automation, maye have a final round or two end of beta instead with more fine tuned dungeons |
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| 12:40.04 | Industrial | Chipzz, thanks for the feedback. It's what I play with. I just didn't feel like creating many different addons and bundled them all into one. It contains a UnitFrames addon which is an oUF layout and also an ActionBar addon that will replace Bartender for me, since I have very simple needs. |
| 12:40.20 | Industrial | Those modules are not enabled yet. |
| 12:41.57 | Industrial | There are other addons that do what mine does, but for quest NPC automation I was the first I think with idQuestAutomation. I also rolled it in there as the Questing module. It has options now for the features and I'm planning more. |
| 12:42.17 | Industrial | I'm going to include some stuff from LeatrixPlux that I find handy (but certainly not everything) |
| 12:46.31 | Chipzz | it's your perogative of course, but I wonder why not just use the addons tat already exist? idQuestAutomation may have been the first, but it lacks features AutoComplete has. Why invest your own time in wirting code for idQuestAutomation when you could spend 0 time coding and more time playing by just using AtoAccept |
| 12:46.36 | Chipzz | ? |
| 12:55.41 | Industrial | Because I've always made my own UI since classic |
| 12:56.33 | Industrial | Why would I want to stop that because someone else made an addon that does what mine did :P |
| 12:57.07 | Industrial | What does AutoComplete do what idTweaks doesn't? |
| 13:11.11 | Chipzz | I already mentioned it above, but it allows selection of gear rewards based on filters |
| 13:11.23 | Chipzz | automatic selection of ... |
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| 14:25.15 | znf | VIad: yes |
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| 16:01.29 | VIad | there is a memory leak in black ops 4 :P |
| 16:01.45 | VIad | at some point it used 50 gb worth of memory and the page file |
| 16:04.49 | Maldivia | did they embed Chrome? |
| 16:04.53 | VIad | think so xD |
| 16:08.10 | VIad | Stanzilla: grats! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuHFr4sTMjI |
| 16:08.19 | VIad | though beware of a certain person here... |
| 16:08.45 | VIad | how does it feel to be the source of tons of streamers having content to talk about and join in on the hate train? :d |
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| 16:42.17 | Stanzilla | great |
| 17:05.58 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 17:42.06 | Simca | yeah when I believed the tweet was true, I still thought the logic was very wrong. There's no way with the API to pull every character. You can't query that way. Which means you can't analyze the entire userbase. |
| 17:43.19 | Simca | chaud thought about doing this a while ago for user count estimates |
| 17:43.44 | Simca | it sort of works, but it's got flaws and would be nitpicked to death, so it wasn't worth it |
| 17:44.04 | Simca | (just based on activity of characters, not subscription data or w/e) |
| 17:44.41 | Simca | iirc the best way to gather people is to get guilds, then pull member lists for guilds |
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| 20:31.09 | znf | After all these years, I wish I fucking knew what's causing my UI to get tainted, I still can't right-click shit in combat |
| 20:46.13 | foxlit | shouldn't the error message tell you that? |
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| 20:48.28 | zenzelezz | foxlit: that would be too simple |
| 20:52.45 | Ketho | apparently you could start by deleting buggrabber /s https://i.imgur.com/SFW747J.png |
| 20:52.48 | znf | foxlit, most certainly _devPad is not :P |
| 20:53.04 | znf | lol Ketho |
| 20:53.38 | foxlit | znf: why are you so sure? :) |
| 20:53.55 | znf | foxlit, because it's not touching the buff frame? |
| 20:53.57 | znf | dunno |
| 20:54.31 | foxlit | whether it's touching something directly isn't particularly interesting. Maybe it touches something else which touches something else which touches something else which touches the buff frame. |
| 20:54.41 | znf | Maybe in WoW 20.0 we will have a proper way to detect which addon is taining |
| 20:54.54 | nebula | doubtful |
| 20:55.11 | foxlit | plus "Scripts can run automatically on login like mini addons, and can call each other like libraries or dependencies." sounds like you're having _Devpad running arbitrary code on your behalf, and who knows what *that* is doing. |
| 20:56.03 | znf | I'm only changing these constants |
| 20:56.04 | znf | BUFF_MAX_DISPLAY = 64; |
| 20:56.08 | znf | BUFFS_PER_ROW = 16; |
| 20:56.19 | nebula | um |
| 20:56.20 | znf | could that taint it? |
| 20:56.22 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:56.22 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:56.23 | Stanzilla | öpö |
| 20:56.25 | nebula | lol |
| 20:56.25 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 20:56.27 | znf | ... |
| 20:56.29 | znf | why the fucking fuck |
| 20:58.15 | znf | how do I not taint that shit? |
| 20:58.22 | Stanzilla | make your own frames |
| 20:58.31 | foxlit | reposition buff frames yourself after the default UI is done with them. |
| 20:58.41 | znf | :-| |
| 20:59.05 | znf | but I don't want different buff frames, for performance reasons :( |
| 20:59.34 | foxlit | iirc they aren't actually protected, which is somewhat of a gaping security hole that nobody has any reason to exploit. |
| 20:59.35 | Stanzilla | just use viagra |
| 21:00.57 | znf | Stanzilla, I'd rather use Cialis |
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| 21:02.21 | Stanzilla | sorry I am not speaking from experience |
| 21:04.06 | foxlit | to provide a guess for the why: it is likely that the framexml code updating the buff frames accesses those constants to position them. If you taint the constants, it taints the execution of that code when it accesses them, and that code probably subsequently sets (and taints) the keys used to identify which buff you want to cancel when you right click on a button. |
| 21:07.19 | Stanzilla | znf: https://github.com/Stanzilla/nivBuffs |
| 21:07.28 | Stanzilla | shit code but works |
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| 21:36.37 | znf | I find it weird that the pvp set pieces have different skins but the same name |
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| 22:01.27 | TomCat | Hi - is there a way to load new/refresh existing blp images that are in my addon folder without restarting WoW completely (during development) - like perhaps a console command I'm missing? |
| 22:02.08 | TomCat | been struggling with some shading/layering of some textures and trying to cut down on the iteration time |
| 22:04.35 | kd3 | - /console reload |
| 22:04.44 | kd3 | the files must be present before the game first starts |
| 22:04.56 | kd3 | you can modify the contents of the files, but cannot create new ones while the game is running |
| 22:07.19 | TomCat | nope - no console reload available here - perhaps you meant /reload ? works for the .xml and .lua changes but never was able to get it to pick up changes to .toc or .blp (image) files |
| 22:08.20 | kd3 | reloads should pick up blp changes, but I strongly doubt it'll pick up toc changes, because you're adding/renaming files |
| 22:08.21 | TomCat | or /console reloadUI works but seems to do the same as /reload |
| 22:09.36 | TomCat | yeah it wouldn't pick up meta tags in my toc or changes to the savedvariables name iirc - not grabbing my blp changes though |
| 22:10.43 | TomCat | wait spoke too soon |
| 22:11.09 | TomCat | I must have done something wrong that last iteration... /console reloadUI did do something a little more than I think /reload was doing |
| 22:12.04 | kd3 | unless something's drastically changed recently, /reload is an alias to the console command |
| 22:12.05 | TomCat | well I'll be damned - /reload is working now as well. not sure what I was doing wrong in previous attempts |
| 22:12.57 | TomCat | possibly convinced myself it wouldn't reload them back when I was having green box issues perhaps |
| 22:13.19 | TomCat | I just needed you to convince me to try it again under better circumstances :) thanks |
| 22:13.27 | kd3 | hey, glad to help |
| 22:14.08 | TomCat | working on anything cool today? |
| 22:14.17 | kd3 | me? just $dayjob stuff |
| 22:15.38 | TomCat | would be nice to make addons the day job. anyone pulling that off these days? |
| 22:16.14 | kd3 | the only one close would be MysticalOS (DBM) iirc |
| 22:17.32 | TomCat | well that's promising... he's got what - about 1-1.2m persistent users via curse/twitch for the cor? |
| 22:17.41 | TomCat | *core |
| 22:20.00 | TomCat | at least that's how many I'm seeing download per update if the update sticks around for at least a few days before the next one |
| 22:24.40 | TomCat | I took over Coordinates when svandos dropped and made it work for BfA. I had noticed that Curseforge gave me a few bucks via the rewards program and have been playing around with it since to see if I can make the logistics work |
| 23:05.42 | foxlit | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769667833#post-1 << so that's kind of nice. |
| 23:07.09 | kd3 | we'll see what the numbers are like |
| 23:07.26 | kd3 | I'm expecting a cost of 3 arms and a leg for selected pieces, though |
| 23:08.17 | foxlit | never getting azerite in the mythic chest is already a win. |
| 23:10.29 | foxlit | (so is the ability to target specific slots, and eventually specific pieces. Even if the prices are measured in limbs, it's a "you're done with your gearing for those slots, forever" sort of cost) |
| 23:12.28 | foxlit | ... why can I not filter out thepolitics forum on MMO frontpage recent forum posts thing? It checks itself on every refresh :/ |
| 23:12.51 | kd3 | I've just mentally blocked out that section of the front page |
| 23:13.01 | Semlar | tbh you should just adblock the entire element |
| 23:14.01 | Semlar | those forums are quite bad |
| 23:14.14 | kd3 | s/those// |
| 23:16.50 | foxlit | found it. They store the filter in cookie, and at some point I got one with a path component, so it was "saving" the new value one cookie and reading the old value from the path-specific cookie. |
| 23:17.16 | foxlit | (also, storing entirely local JS filtering preferences in cookies is bad. do you even localStorage?) |
| 23:17.45 | Semlar | maybe they also want to track your settings |
| 23:18.14 | kd3 | then it'd make more sense if it was actually keyed to your session or something and not just a random cookie value |
| 23:18.55 | Semlar | cookies are easier to implement than localstorage |
| 23:19.14 | foxlit | heh? |
| 23:19.50 | foxlit | localStrage["filter"] = "stuff"; // done |
| 23:20.07 | foxlit | (with less typos, obviously) |
| 23:24.02 | foxlit | (meanwhile, the document.cookie API is all sorts of weird.) |
| 23:24.15 | Semlar | that's not how web development works |
| 23:24.37 | Semlar | first you import a huge library that more or less does what you want |
| 23:24.48 | Semlar | and then you just use their api for it |
| 23:25.11 | foxlit | sounds like dumb web development. |
| 23:25.58 | foxlit | (maybe we should stop calling that development and go with something like "web duct taping shit together") |
| 23:26.21 | Semlar | what's the difference |
| 23:27.38 | znf | Seems that this week, people are really really not wanting to do M+ |
| 23:28.45 | foxlit | ... that sounds like every week. |
| 23:29.24 | Semlar | i'm basically done with the game until 8.1 but i'm looking forward to any improvements they make between now and then |
| 23:30.54 | znf | foxlit, nah, this week is horrible |
| 23:32.39 | znf | I also hope they mean that only Season2 gear will scrape into the currency |
| 23:32.52 | znf | because I don't want to keep 50 pieces of azerite gear starting from now |
| 23:33.10 | foxlit | yes, that is explicitly what the second post said. |
| 23:33.17 | kd3 | click to the second post, they said that |
| 23:33.32 | znf | ah, I didn't see the 2nd post |
| 23:33.33 | znf | thanks |
| 23:34.49 | znf | Semlar, the quests on the other island award more azerite, btw |
| 23:37.58 | znf | Wait a second. |
| 23:38.13 | znf | So where will I get azerite gear to scrape? |
| 23:38.16 | znf | WQs? :-| |
| 23:38.39 | znf | also, no more trading of azerite gear, even if it's low level, I'm gonna need that currency |
