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| 08:18.28 | VIad | znf: put on the brewfest goggles for some sexy time with that table |
| 08:25.05 | VIad | znf: you get panic attacks in dungeons? since those nameplates can't be used in dungeons :D |
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| 13:10.56 | VIad | nevcairiel: do you know what is required to make nvlink games to work? like sli, do you need to have devs to release profiles for it? |
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| 13:43.23 | VIad | so you got |A|a for atlas same way you got |T|t for textures, good to know! |
| 13:43.28 | VIad | needed this a week ago, hehe |
| 14:13.06 | Thunder_Child | VIad: I don't think nvlink would help gaming at all. |
| 14:16.17 | nevcairiel | i reckon it works much like SLI, just faster |
| 14:17.08 | Thunder_Child | Not exactly. As I understant it, SLI is alternating frames per card, nvlink is a shared ram pool. |
| 14:17.42 | Thunder_Child | Also, I doubt anyone wants to pay an extra $600 to get that going. |
| 14:18.40 | nevcairiel | consumer nvlink is n ot quite like pro nvlink |
| 14:18.48 | nevcairiel | its really just very high bandwidth sli |
| 14:19.06 | nebula | pretty sure games need to be designed to take advantage of it, it's not like the shared resources are transparent |
| 14:19.34 | nevcairiel | and reviews have shown that nvlink-sli definitely scales better then old sli |
| 14:20.26 | Thunder_Child | Oh, did not realize they had them for Geforce. We only have the GV100 stuff at work here. |
| 14:20.53 | Thunder_Child | And I think one beta RTX 6000. |
| 14:25.48 | nevcairiel | i personally wouldnt go with multiple cards though for gaming, modern games dont seem to care to support it anymore |
| 14:31.14 | Thunder_Child | Do you still only get one card worth of video output in geforce nvlink? |
| 14:31.58 | Thunder_Child | s/in/with/ |
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| 14:48.31 | VIad | I agree that with the deescalation of SLI hype many games dont really support it, only some few major frameworks might and then the dev have to utilize those features :D |
| 14:49.01 | VIad | haven't read much about nvlink but was hoping its more low level hardware thing, like "pretend to be one card" perhaps :P |
| 14:50.45 | VIad | Stanzilla: how hard would it be to make the time bars have a "timeline" option? so bars would appear chronologically correct, and descent at the appropriate pace? |
| 14:50.49 | VIad | ex https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb |
| 14:51.33 | VIad | I'll look into it but it's nice for us that struggle with excel bars on screen that decend in different speeds :x I know why ofc but still can be visually confusing |
| 14:51.42 | Stanzilla | no idea |
| 14:53.27 | znf | that's pretty |
| 14:53.54 | VIad | I dont try to be a jerk, but 10 seconds and lower would be nice if they descended same speed so it makes sense, especially on mythic with overlapping mechanics :D |
| 14:54.29 | VIad | since bigwigs has 2 groups, for long and short timers, could see what I can tweak on the short timers |
| 15:00.29 | znf | they Torhal, here's a cat https://i.imgur.com/LJZHEl3.mp4 |
| 15:01.50 | znf | s/^t// |
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| 17:05.36 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/IOhScaL.png |
| 17:05.47 | znf | or, I don't know Raider.IO, could you, maybe, track logs from Warcraftlogs? :o |
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| 17:35.14 | AcidWeb | logs can be faked |
| 17:37.12 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/FYKgqYz.png what the fuck |
| 17:37.28 | znf | AcidWeb, sure, who would bother faking +9 runs? |
| 17:37.38 | znf | you can still verify the high level keys agains the blizzard api |
| 17:39.02 | znf | plus, fabricating a consistent log is probably more complex than search-replace in notepad |
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| 17:47.28 | TSquare | Good Morning |
| 17:48.22 | Alram | morning |
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| 17:54.53 | znf | TSquare, are you guys still investigating the issue with Fishing and "Internal Bag Error"? |
| 17:55.34 | TSquare | I hadn't hear there was an issue. But it's very likely not a UI bug, so I probably wouldn't have been told |
| 17:55.44 | znf | I vaguely remember that TheDanW mentioned you were investigating it, but I may be wrong |
| 17:56.17 | znf | To be fair, I only notice it when I'm double-right-clicking with Fishing Buddy - as it has that feature that you can loot and "easycast" fishing |
| 17:56.29 | znf | Every time I do that, I get internal bag error and no loot |
| 17:56.49 | TSquare | oh, yea. If it only happens with addons, we are unlikely to bug/work on it |
| 17:57.03 | TSquare | but, Dan may have entered it |
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| 17:57.57 | TSquare | To be honest, I generally de-prioritize addon only bugs. Too often they become a wild goose chase |
| 17:58.31 | TSquare | and I would rather spend the time to try and fix more of our bugs |
| 17:59.28 | Alram | that sounds logical |
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| 18:46.19 | znf | well, it's kind of weird that an addon can cause that tough |
| 18:48.07 | znf | but I bet I can reproduce it if I loot very fast and then cast :D |
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| 19:31.56 | znf | TSquare, yup, I can reproduce it without an addon, too :P |
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| 19:38.55 | Cairenn | BC Dinner Signup is up: https://bit.ly/2RvWLk2 |
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| 19:40.42 | Gnarfoz | can someone give me a quick explanation how this is different from regular "attempt to index a nil value"? IslandExpeditionHelper-0.7.lua:458: attempt to index upvalue 'localAzeriteValues' (a nil value) |
| 19:41.33 | foxlit | normally it wouldn't know what to call the nil value you're trying to index, but here it has an actual name. |
| 19:41.37 | Gnarfoz | (there's a "local localAzeriteValues = {}" at the beginning of this file in the main chunk, and the error is in a function defined within this file. shouldn't that be the same/correct scope?) |
| 19:42.14 | Gnarfoz | the offending line is "if localAzeriteValues[unit] == nil then" |
| 19:42.33 | foxlit | the error is just telling you that localAzeriteValues == nil. |
| 19:42.33 | Gnarfoz | (and I guess the error would read differently if it was "unit" that's nil) |
| 19:42.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but... |
| 19:43.07 | Gnarfoz | hm, an empty table is nil? makes sense |
| 19:43.56 | foxlit | unit == nil wouldn't throw an error, as reading ({})[nil] would just return nil. |
| 19:44.10 | foxlit | and an empty table is not nil. |
| 19:46.18 | Gnarfoz | I guess someone tried to rename a variable and didn't do it thoroughly, or something ^^ |
| 19:52.42 | foxlit | the two likely possibility is that something assigns nil to that value while you |
| 19:52.54 | Gnarfoz | yeah I think it's the SV loading mechanism |
| 19:52.57 | foxlit | 're not looking for it, or there's another local localAzeriteValues somewhere. |
| 19:53.14 | Gnarfoz | function IslandExpeditionHelper.loadSV() |
| 19:53.14 | Gnarfoz | localAzeriteValues = AzeriteValues |
| 19:53.19 | Gnarfoz | but I can't find "AzeriteValues" |
| 19:53.21 | Gnarfoz | so that's probably it |
| 19:54.19 | znf | *wonders what Gnarfoz is breaking* |
| 19:56.31 | Gnarfoz | it says right there ^^ |
| 19:57.02 | znf | rather, I'm wondering why are you breaking your azerite addon |
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| 19:57.25 | znf | oh. |
| 19:57.29 | znf | I missed the line with the addon name |
| 19:57.30 | znf | nvm :D |
| 19:57.33 | Gnarfoz | it was broken ^^ |
| 19:58.51 | sb | Gnarfoz: ##SavedVariables: AzeriteValues |
| 19:59.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah that was probably the intention |
| 19:59.20 | Gnarfoz | s/ion// |
| 20:00.16 | Gnarfoz | (which also means adding a "local AzeriteValues = {}" at the top eliminates the error but possibly breaks the SV loading? idk |
| 20:01.15 | znf | wasn't there a discussion about this a while ago with addon loading order? |
| 20:01.20 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 20:01.42 | Gnarfoz | (but that was about changing it, and if that would break things) |
| 20:01.54 | Constie | I know Ion's been a bit controversial lately, but you don't have to send purl to remove him. |
| 20:17.04 | Semlar | the real question is why are you using this instead of ExpeditionAssistant |
| 20:17.10 | Gnarfoz | sb: yeah, the SV loading mechanism doesn't handle first installs |
| 20:17.24 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: because someone linked me this and... nothing |
| 20:17.49 | Gnarfoz | seems like ExpeditionAssitant does less |
| 20:18.01 | znf | Whether it's an Altar of the Sea or a Slithering Shrine, ExpeditionAssistant has them memorized so you don't have to! |
| 20:18.07 | Semlar | on the other hand it does it right |
| 20:18.10 | znf | but there's like... 8 of them, I'm sure you can learn them by now |
| 20:18.17 | Gnarfoz | I don't care to learn them |
| 20:18.33 | Gnarfoz | the other addon also worked right, it just errored constantly while doing so :P |
| 20:18.45 | znf | so not working? :D |
| 20:18.55 | Gnarfoz | no? it was working. :P |
| 20:19.24 | Semlar | also i wrote mine first |
| 20:19.28 | Gnarfoz | gz to you |
| 20:20.43 | Semlar | suit yourself |
| 20:20.44 | Gnarfoz | I might even switch, since knowing how much each azerite thing grants is not terribly interesting in the end |
| 20:26.37 | Semlar | i was originally going to add azerite values, but since all you ever do is look for the nearest rare to kill and move onto the next one it seemed kind of pointless |
| 20:26.40 | Gnarfoz | there, have my 0.0000001 curse points |
| 20:26.59 | Gnarfoz | well, it's *kind* of interesting when you're using the rabbit's paw thing |
| 20:27.08 | Gnarfoz | and all you do is run around and loot azerite, never touching any mobs |
| 20:27.18 | Semlar | sure, but then you're just looting everything you see |
| 20:27.24 | Gnarfoz | basically, yeah |
| 20:27.26 | Semlar | and does it really matter how much it's worth |
| 20:27.54 | Gnarfoz | doubtful, since there's no time limit, and doing this, you're faster than even Gazlowe's team, anyway |
| 20:29.00 | Semlar | the only time it seems useful is when you're about to cap and want to know if doing one thing might be faster than doing another |
| 20:29.40 | Semlar | finish an event vs mining a rock |
| 20:30.37 | Semlar | but for that i would rather the addon actually tell me what to do, not just put numbers on tooltips |
| 20:48.22 | foxlit | hm, it seems like leaving a raid group now returns you to your native zone shard. |
| 20:48.57 | znf | foxlit, not always |
| 20:49.13 | znf | if I realm-hop with group-finder, it seems to always return me back, true |
| 20:49.30 | znf | but if I go do a WQ that joins me to a raid group, it leaves me in the specific shard |
| 20:50.05 | znf | not sure if killing mobs/engaging in combat is the reason |
| 20:50.47 | foxlit | I don't quite see the difference -- WQs don't join you to raid groups on their own. |
| 20:51.33 | znf | I mean - if I realm-hop by joining random groups and not doing combat/killing the quest mob, it puts me back when leaving |
| 20:51.45 | znf | if I join one of those WQs that requires a group (the eye icon), after I kill the mob, it leaves me there |
| 20:53.12 | foxlit | and you're sure this isn't a group/raid group difference? |
| 20:53.33 | znf | I'm more leaning towards the "did you kill shit there?" condition |
| 20:53.44 | foxlit | nah, that doesn't explain stuff. |
| 20:54.11 | znf | altough, if I join an Arathi rare group, I get put back in my shard when I leave |
| 20:54.12 | foxlit | what prompted this was getting phased back after killing the outdoor boss in an eye-joined group. |
| 20:54.39 | znf | so the opposite of my experience :P |
| 20:55.45 | foxlit | (and Permafrost Spike doesn't block Freezing Tempest like 95% of the time. Beta for Azeroth continues.) |
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| 20:59.39 | Semlar | i always get sent back to my server after leaving a group |
| 20:59.40 | Torhal | You're correct, foxlit - https://www.dropbox.com/s/b5jcvkf5wlefsns/Screenshot%202018-10-09%2015.59.11.png |
| 20:59.41 | Torhal | >.> |
| 21:00.20 | Semlar | i'm on an RP server though and they might get sharded differently |
| 21:00.41 | Torhal | Do you play a mushroom? |
| 21:01.34 | Semlar | yes i RP as a fungus |
| 21:01.36 | znf | I wonder if making the Arathi rares reset daily would actually bring something interesting to warfronts |
| 21:02.23 | znf | As of now, the warfront itself is just "I'll do this for the 370 quest", then you go do the 5 (6?) quests there for war resources and some azerite, kill a bunch of rares for mounts, pets, and you're done |
| 21:02.56 | Semlar | i just fly to the world boss, get my 700 azerite power and hearth |
| 21:02.58 | znf | Once you go there for an hour, tops, there's no other incentive to do it again during the same cycle |
| 21:03.02 | foxlit | ^ That's a positive thing; the content itself sucks. |
| 21:03.03 | znf | ah yes, world boss, too |
| 21:03.15 | Semlar | wait there's a quest for a 370? |
| 21:03.28 | znf | before arathi is opened, yes? |
| 21:03.31 | znf | the per cycle 370 gear? |
| 21:03.48 | Semlar | oh that's on the other phase |
| 21:03.51 | znf | yes |
| 21:03.59 | znf | I was talking per cycle |
| 21:04.44 | Semlar | well it was confusing because you said you do the 370 quest then the 5 or 6 other quests, which you can't do at the same time |
| 21:05.21 | znf | In other news, I'm almost fully geared up, other than my rings, which I severely doubt I'll get 370 with sockets on them, the only actual upgrades I could get would be to either run Mythic, which is difficult to pug because of the instance lockout, or weekly chest |
| 21:05.48 | znf | or pray for titanforged from raid |
| 21:05.55 | Semlar | you'll be happy to hear that i did not receive another pair of bracers in my chest this week |
| 21:06.02 | znf | nice |
| 21:06.08 | Andols | Wait... So this is Semlar? https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/5/5d/Deathcap.jpg |
| 21:06.12 | znf | I got pants this week, I think |
| 21:06.23 | znf | 385 ones, it was nice |
| 21:06.29 | Semlar | i got a hat |
| 21:06.52 | Semlar | i wasn't convinced it was possible to receive azerite armor from the chest |
| 21:07.12 | znf | did you get 385? :P |
| 21:07.16 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:07.24 | znf | nice |
| 21:08.07 | Semlar | now i just need another 370 weapon |
| 21:08.11 | znf | My only problem with the Azerite gear in there is that if I get anything else other than shoulders, it kind of feels like a downgrade, because I have the Archive of the Titans on both chest and headpiece, which is quite a lot of intellect |
| 21:08.13 | foxlit | I have all your azerite chest gear. |
| 21:08.27 | foxlit | Not once was it useful. |
| 21:08.29 | Semlar | i have a weapon i got from a mythic 10, but it was when the gear was capped at 355 |
| 21:08.40 | Semlar | so my offhand is still 355 |
| 21:09.03 | znf | hmmm, let's see if I can find a pug for Mythic Taloc |
| 21:09.06 | znf | and maybe mother... maybe |
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| 21:09.43 | Semlar | thankfully all of the traits for my class are fairly bad so the main thing that matters is the item level |
| 21:10.02 | Semlar | i don't have to worry too much about what's on it |
| 21:10.05 | znf | well, archive of the titans? |
| 21:10.38 | Semlar | archive adds agility, which is kind of meh from a defensive standpoint while tanking |
| 21:10.51 | znf | right, I keep forgetting you're tanking now |
| 21:11.15 | Semlar | i'm using it on a piece right now just because i switch between havoc and vengeance |
| 21:11.36 | Semlar | so i don't really want to go for pure defensive traits |
| 21:11.37 | znf | that should have been stamina, to be honest, for tank specs |
| 21:11.44 | znf | at a double value |
| 21:12.18 | Semlar | what kind of annoys me is one of the center ring traits can be this "1000 healing per 3 seconds while no enemies are within 20 yards" |
| 21:12.38 | Semlar | which A) is a meaningless amount of healing, and B) is never going to be up for a demon hunter |
| 21:12.42 | Semlar | i don't know why it can even appear on gear |
| 21:13.23 | Constie | Stack it for that world quest where you pick up packages around the stomping brutosaur. |
| 21:13.44 | znf | Semlar, isn't that shared with Longstrider, always? |
| 21:14.14 | Semlar | run speed is also pretty bad, but less bad than a trait that effectively does nothing |
| 21:14.29 | znf | Feels decent for me :P |
| 21:14.36 | znf | I'm at +10% run speed |
| 21:15.15 | Semlar | well as a demon hunter it's not super helpful |
| 21:15.21 | znf | acutally |
| 21:15.25 | znf | I have no idea how to calculate it |
| 21:15.34 | znf | it doesn't change the value in the character pane |
| 21:15.35 | Semlar | i had to /dump GetUnitSpeed('player') |
| 21:15.45 | Semlar | and it was about 4% run speed for me |
| 21:15.58 | znf | why are there so many returns |
| 21:16.07 | Constie | That's 4% DPS if you make enough assumptions. |
| 21:16.11 | Semlar | current speed, top speed, mounted speed or something |
| 21:16.18 | foxlit | you must know your underwater walking speed, znf! |
| 21:16.43 | znf | so 8.01% vs.7.66% |
| 21:16.43 | Semlar | of course you'd have to know your base speed is 7 yards per second or something to make use of it |
| 21:16.52 | znf | ...and my character pane says 10% |
| 21:17.02 | znf | not confusing at all |
| 21:17.08 | Semlar | it's giving you your speed in yards per second |
| 21:17.17 | Semlar | so to get the % increase you'd have to know the base speed |
| 21:17.20 | znf | Oh |
| 21:17.28 | Semlar | which i don't remember |
| 21:17.40 | Semlar | i just compared it to the value i had before i picked the trait |
| 21:17.58 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure base run speed is 7 though |
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| 21:18.17 | znf | so how does the char panel display it? |
| 21:18.20 | znf | calculate it* |
| 21:18.22 | znf | or whatever |
| 21:18.25 | Semlar | it doesn't |
| 21:18.33 | Semlar | at least mine doesn't show speed |
| 21:18.54 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/WYr5Hz6.png |
| 21:18.56 | Semlar | it might if you have it as a stat on a piece of gear |
| 21:19.00 | znf | mine does, but I have warforged with +speed |
| 21:19.17 | Semlar | i don't actually know if that stacks with longstrider |
| 21:19.36 | Semlar | i've heard people complaining it doesn't stack with other run speed bonuses and just picks your higher value |
| 21:19.52 | Semlar | is 283 including your trait? |
| 21:20.06 | Semlar | 10% would be a lot of run speed from one item |
| 21:20.08 | znf | GetUnitSpeed() returns different values if I unequip my head piece |
| 21:20.22 | znf | I have 3 items - weapon, pants, feet |
| 21:20.28 | znf | that amounts to 283, yes |
| 21:20.32 | znf | so the trait is not calculated in there |
| 21:20.37 | Semlar | you have 3 items with speed as a bonus stat? |
| 21:20.41 | znf | yes? |
| 21:21.33 | znf | I'm "lucky" with Warforging, but it's just not forging to the good bits (socket) |
| 21:21.39 | foxlit | (the character sheet is probably just using the combat rating API, which is just an arbitrary set of conversion tables that doesn't really need to have any connection to reality) |
| 21:22.12 | znf | so it's... fake news? |
| 21:22.18 | Semlar | i actually do have speed on one item, it's adding 2.64% |
| 21:22.36 | Semlar | so the sheet is displaying it but not longstrider |
| 21:23.05 | foxlit | well, it might be accurate, or it might not be. GetUnitSpeed should probably peek at your client's opinion of your movement speed, which should be far closer to reality. |
| 21:23.42 | Semlar | looks like longstrider is adding literally nothing |
| 21:23.53 | Semlar | hm |
| 21:24.03 | znf | Semlar, it is |
| 21:24.22 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/e7z1I6e.png |
| 21:24.35 | Semlar | i think [2] is your run speed |
| 21:24.39 | znf | without/with head piece (with +speed trait) increase |
| 21:24.52 | znf | 7.66 vs. 8.01 |
| 21:25.30 | foxlit | so you have +14.4% run speed |
| 21:25.41 | Semlar | so it's adding ~4.5% |
| 21:26.01 | Semlar | the phrasing for its tooltip is absurdly confusing |
| 21:26.17 | Semlar | "increases movement speed by 18% of your highest secondary rating up to 5%" |
| 21:26.20 | znf | I have 28% haste in Uldir |
| 21:26.28 | znf | It's 6% for me |
| 21:26.29 | Semlar | wtf does 18% of your secondary rating mean |
| 21:26.48 | znf | 18% of 28% haste, I guess? |
| 21:26.50 | Semlar | 18% of my 1000 haste, converted to speed? |
| 21:26.57 | Semlar | at whatever conversion rate that is |
| 21:27.00 | foxlit | I'd read it as 25% crit * 18% = 4.5% movement speed |
| 21:27.05 | foxlit | but never more than 5%. |
| 21:27.30 | Semlar | so it's a % of the % value? |
| 21:27.44 | znf | speaking of haste, I'm still gonna hate when the new raid is up |
| 21:27.50 | znf | no more Reorigination Array :( |
| 21:28.18 | znf | It's such a "cheap" nerf of the content |
| 21:28.23 | Semlar | so what if my highest secondary stat is mastery |
| 21:28.28 | foxlit | dunno what it actually does. I gave up on interpreting gear stats. |
| 21:28.49 | znf | foxlit, reorigination array? |
| 21:28.59 | foxlit | no, longstrider. |
| 21:29.05 | Constie | Since it says rating I would guess that if your highest secondary rating number is at 1000 it'll give you 180 speed rating. |
| 21:29.06 | znf | ah, yes, who the fuck knows |
| 21:29.22 | znf | 1881 haste, so that means... |
| 21:29.37 | Semlar | anyway, the main thing is it's movement speed so i don't really care what it's adding |
| 21:30.06 | Semlar | i'd rather have the one that adds armor or healing |
| 21:30.14 | foxlit | more movement speed = get out of fires faster = more dps time! |
| 21:30.42 | Semlar | sure, but as a demon hunter i already have op movement abilities |
| 21:31.16 | Semlar | so moving 3 or 4% faster doesn't really change much |
| 21:31.44 | znf | it does for me \o/ |
| 21:32.04 | Semlar | yeah it's nice for other classes, i'm sure |
| 21:32.45 | foxlit | uninformed opinion: combat ratings are inscrutable. |
| 21:32.46 | Semlar | it might help to sidestep out of a void zone |
| 21:33.05 | Semlar | the combat rating system is insane |
| 21:33.23 | Semlar | and i don't particularly find things like +27 haste to be a useful value |
| 21:34.15 | Semlar | other than when comparing 2 things and one thing has a bigger number than the other thing |
| 21:34.16 | foxlit | I think there's a DR curve in there somewhere? |
| 21:34.55 | Semlar | even if it has diminishing returns, i'd rather it either show the raw % value for it or factor them in |
| 21:35.14 | Semlar | 27 haste means literally nothing to me |
| 21:36.08 | Semlar | is it 0.3%, 0.03%, who knows |
| 21:36.26 | foxlit | indeed. It's also not clear if 27 haste is the same %-wise as 27 crit or not. |
| 21:37.25 | Semlar | am i a bad person for using versatility gems because they're 14g and haste gems are 600g |
| 21:37.44 | foxlit | the worst! |
| 21:37.51 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:38.01 | foxlit | think of all the starving jewelcrafters? |
| 21:38.10 | Constie | You have to use the gems that a presumed bug-free simulation tells you are better or you're falling behind. |
| 21:38.25 | Semlar | hang on i have another trait to complain about |
| 21:38.36 | Semlar | overwhelming power adds 25 stacks of a haste buff |
| 21:38.45 | Semlar | and then drops them off every second |
| 21:38.59 | Semlar | but ALSO drops a stack whenever you get hit, making it effectively useless for tanks for no apparent reason |
| 21:39.27 | znf | that's indeed a silly mechanic |
| 21:39.29 | znf | you get haste |
| 21:39.32 | znf | but if you get hit, you drop it |
| 21:39.33 | znf | ??! |
| 21:40.38 | nevcairiel | some traits are a bit more powerful and instead have a limitation to compensate |
| 21:40.55 | foxlit | well, why not? Some incentive to not get hit isn't the end of the world. |
| 21:41.10 | Semlar | but all this does is remove the "hybrid" choice in this ring as an option for me |
| 21:41.16 | Constie | It's simply rewarding you for skillful play, i.e. choosing to play as a non-tank. |
| 21:41.32 | znf | foxlit, if I'm solo, there's no why to avoid getting hit |
| 21:41.33 | Semlar | there's a purely defensive trait, a purely offensive trait, and then this, which is also a purely offensive trait because it can't be used by tanks |
| 21:41.46 | znf | no way* |
| 21:41.52 | foxlit | znf: CC. |
| 21:41.57 | znf | if I'm in a raid, I'll probably not get hit anyway, unless the tank is doing the nasty |
| 21:42.06 | nevcairiel | there is also plenty global aoe etc |
| 21:42.10 | Semlar | it's just a weird mechanic in general |
| 21:42.18 | znf | I'm a priest. My CC is basically useless alone :P |
| 21:42.21 | foxlit | (also, even if it was unavoidable, it's still okay -- not everything has to shine all the time, and this is clearly aimed at group content where you're not the tank) |
| 21:42.24 | Semlar | you have little control over how often you're getting hit |
| 21:42.29 | nevcairiel | as a dps it rewards clean play |
| 21:42.36 | znf | I could just MC the mob and make it jump off the bridge |
| 21:42.45 | znf | or, rather, USED TO, because now the mobs teleport you |
| 21:42.47 | nevcairiel | and if you avoid getting it, its probably stronger then the other dps option |
| 21:42.56 | nevcairiel | getting hit* |
| 21:43.20 | znf | I don't know what else are the other classes/specs getting on that ring |
| 21:43.27 | Semlar | unfortunately a haste proc would be quite useful to me while tanking |
| 21:43.34 | znf | but I share it with 2 healing traits |
| 21:43.34 | Semlar | so it's annoying that i can't use it |
| 21:44.01 | Semlar | since it lowers the cooldown of my active mitigation |
| 21:44.12 | nevcairiel | my class has 3 roles, so the ring always has 3 role-specific choices for me |
| 21:44.19 | znf | My other option is Savior |
| 21:44.23 | nevcairiel | tank, dps, healy |
| 21:44.40 | znf | which is https://www.wowhead.com/spell=269108/savior |
| 21:44.41 | znf | :D |
| 21:45.06 | Semlar | well DH normally have a tanking trait or a dps trait, and if there's a third option it's a generic middleground |
| 21:46.23 | foxlit | (I also think the penalty in solo content is not that significant -- things have like 2 second swing timers, so you don't lose that much) |
| 21:46.27 | Semlar | if this only removed stacks while taking magic damage, or standing in void zones or something it would be one thing |
| 21:47.02 | Semlar | it's only really an issue while tanking mythics because you're fighting large groups of mobs that are going to instantly remove the buff |
| 21:49.22 | Semlar | i would take the tanking option but i'd like to use this piece for both specs |
| 21:50.28 | nevcairiel | azerite is not designed for that mindset :p |
| 21:50.49 | Semlar | i believe i read a quote from one of the devs that that was exactly how it was designed |
| 21:51.22 | nevcairiel | you are screwed on the outer ring already anyway |
| 21:51.30 | nevcairiel | the "hybrid" trait on the primary ring is generally terrible |
| 21:52.05 | Semlar | alright maybe it's just my class but the inner ring has the most useful trait on it for vengeance for some reason |
| 21:52.33 | znf | shield? |
| 21:52.36 | nevcairiel | the inner most ring is supposed to be defensive |
| 21:52.54 | nevcairiel | but the spec-specific ones on the first ring are usually the strongest |
| 21:52.58 | Semlar | gemhide, adds an armor buff when you take more than 10% of your health in a single hit |
| 21:53.13 | Constie | It bugs me that they named the DH tanking spec "Vengeance" when the Paladin DPS spec is "Retribution". |
| 21:53.26 | Semlar | it's because it's also our dps spec |
| 21:54.13 | Semlar | i couldn't stop pulling threat off the dk i was tanking with in the raid |
| 21:55.57 | Semlar | although that might be related to picking dps traits on my gear |
| 21:56.03 | znf | wonder if I should roll on Taloc... |
| 21:56.14 | znf | oh well, why not |
| 21:56.27 | znf | ah yes, azerite |
| 21:56.30 | Semlar | the only piece i have below 370 is my offhand so i'm probably only going to roll for weapons |
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| 21:56.47 | Semlar | or as i like to call them, azerite shards |
| 21:57.09 | znf | the bonus roll frame still says "Artifact Power" :D |
| 21:58.14 | Semlar | i got this trinket off of taloc that occasionally gives stacks of a haste buff up to 8 stacks |
| 21:58.24 | Semlar | it always falls off before it gets that high |
| 21:58.41 | Semlar | i'm not sure what the proc rate is but it seems like it's not enough |
| 21:59.21 | Constie | I think everything says "Artifact Power". They said something in a pre-BfA Q&A about how everyone would just call it that anyway, I think. |
| 21:59.41 | Semlar | is that why they used the same abbreviation |
| 22:02.08 | nevcairiel | yeah they switched it back to Azerite Power officially |
| 22:02.11 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 22:02.13 | nevcairiel | Artifact Power |
| 22:02.19 | nevcairiel | because the heart is an Artifact |
| 22:02.20 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 22:02.31 | nevcairiel | and a second AP with a different m eaning would've been w eird |
| 22:03.09 | Semlar | my DH resource is called pain but i don't gain more of it from taking damage |
| 22:03.26 | Semlar | i'm going to have to request they fix this |
| 22:04.48 | znf | DH resources now called "what have you given?" |
| 22:05.09 | foxlit | for added realism, you no longer perceive terrain. |
| 22:05.35 | Constie | Plot twist: they can see terrain because Azeroth is a demon. |
| 22:05.42 | Semlar | i don't look at my screen while tanking anyway |
| 22:06.22 | Semlar | why does spectral sight break on damage |
| 22:07.01 | Semlar | i can't use it if i have a dot on me or it just cancels itself |
| 22:07.24 | Constie | Because there should be some limitations to your powers. Class balance is a good thing. |
| 22:07.32 | Semlar | disagree |
| 22:09.34 | Semlar | i'm kind of sad that world boss loot doesn't scale with your item level |
| 22:10.20 | Semlar | all the unique gear from world bosses that haven't been seen yet is already obsolete after you're past a certain point |
| 22:11.11 | foxlit | maybe they overdid it a bit with the number of world punching bags? |
| 22:14.34 | znf | Constie, so why can rogues gtfo when they have dots? :( |
| 22:17.11 | Constie | That's the class I play, so it's an exception. |
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| 22:43.40 | Semlar | o so that's why you don't mind spectral sight breaking on damage |
| 22:45.17 | znf | fucking rogues |
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