| 00:09.19 | znf | Fish botters have been banned, 6 month bans :D |
| 00:09.44 | Mr_Rabies | aw damnit why so early |
| 00:09.53 | Mr_Rabies | let the price of the stupid fish hit rock bottom first |
| 00:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 00:10.12 | znf | The non-feast fishes are already rock bottom :P |
| 00:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | cause you gotta fish up an aircraft carrier of them to get the salmon |
| 00:10.50 | znf | I wonder if I'll get banned for using a steam controller to fish |
| 00:10.59 | znf | The salmon is cheap :P |
| 00:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's like 450g each on my server |
| 00:11.09 | znf | Over here, salmon is ±30g/ea |
| 00:11.15 | znf | the others are 60g++ |
| 00:11.38 | Mr_Rabies | https://theunderminejournal.com/#us/llane/item/162515 |
| 00:12.05 | Mr_Rabies | okay it dropped to 300 at some point but it's coming back up |
| 00:12.13 | znf | wish the price was that high here :D |
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| 00:41.34 | Torhal | I wish you'd just stop being a jackass with Amarande tendencies, znf. |
| 00:41.47 | Torhal | Seriously. I fucking quit #wowace over your shit. |
| 00:42.26 | Torhal | ere a high contributor. |
| 00:42.50 | Torhal | Fucking cats. ANyway: Not just you, but you were a _high_ contributor. |
| 00:43.19 | znf | What's this about right now, this day? |
| 00:43.55 | Torhal | You, being a general jackass who complains about anything and everyting with a high signal to noise ratio and regularly uses terms such as "retarted". |
| 00:44.26 | Torhal | Oh, and "rape". Can't forget that one. |
| 00:45.03 | Torhal | This is wowUIdev, not "Be a total assface and complain about everything 24/7" |
| 00:45.04 | znf | I am "sorry" that I do not subscribe to the whole PC movement you got going on the other side of the ocean? |
| 00:45.51 | Torhal | Fuck you and your PC shit. You're simply generally unpleasant, and it's been made quite apparent by not only myself. |
| 00:45.53 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: I stuck him on ignore the other day....my computer froze for several moments trying to filter out 50% of my irc sroll log. |
| 00:46.09 | Torhal | This isn't the fucking ZNF Showâ¢. TYhis is WoWUIDev. |
| 00:46.28 | znf | Torhal: cool. |
| 00:46.49 | Torhal | You also broke Cairenn's rule the other day. Not quoting it, but if it gets you the fuck out of my life I'm for it. |
| 00:47.04 | znf | Do it. |
| 00:49.39 | Cairenn | You used that term again? |
| 00:49.48 | Cairenn | After I very specifically told you not to? |
| 00:50.00 | znf | I admit I sometimes go overboard and use this as my personal blog, but the last 2 days I've actually been quite moderate |
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| 00:50.34 | znf | I've no idea what Torhal is saying. Maybe. I don't exactly remember every word I type in 3-4 different discussion mediums I use. |
| 00:52.39 | Cairenn | ... |
| 00:56.37 | Corrodias | please, let's be reasonable here. the plural version should be "media". |
| 00:56.53 | znf | Thanks, that slipped. |
| 00:57.04 | Corrodias | happy to help |
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| 02:19.37 | Mr_Rabies | welp looks like item restoration broke near BFA launch so i delted my fishing boots which are now gone forever, neat |
| 02:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | there's a gap between 8/17/18 and 9/4/18 |
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| 02:46.41 | Iriel | I realize this may be a silly question, but why did you delete them in the first place? |
| 03:41.01 | Mr_Rabies | i probably just went through a disenchanting spree trying to get mats, not realizing that 5 fishing was actually pretty helpful now after the nerfs to +fishing |
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| 08:22.08 | VIad | are the news true? |
| 08:24.16 | nevcairiel | usually, thats why its called the news |
| 08:24.42 | VIad | sometimes news can be rumors :x |
| 08:24.47 | VIad | https://www.wowhead.com/news=287727/new-multithread-optimizations-coming-in-patch-8-1-tides-of-vengeance |
| 08:27.08 | VIad | this is just because I don't know enough about the techniques, but has always shadows been CPU bound? it isn't something the GPU can manage if you tell it the source of the light and such? |
| 08:28.22 | VIad | always thought stuff like lighting and shadows is something added on top by the GPU once the CPU tells it the parameters like where the sun is located, wasn't sure if WoW is like this because of framework/old age, or if all games are like this just newer code that do it better. |
| 08:42.13 | VIad | in any case now perhaps you don't need a 8700k or 8060k 5Ghz OC cpu to enjoy Boralus at 50 fps anymore :P |
| 08:42.52 | VIad | ryzen and the plethora of cores can actually alleviate a lot of the performance impacts, that's nice. I hope it also helps out the raiding situation. |
| 08:45.00 | AcidWeb | There always must be a bottleneck king... |
| 08:45.24 | AcidWeb | WoW is currently worst performing game I have. |
| 08:45.48 | ls- | you don't say... :V |
| 08:46.14 | ls- | although ac odyssey is kinda atrocious >_> |
| 08:47.13 | AcidWeb | Yet another part of Call of Assasin 7: Last Definite Attack on almost last boss |
| 08:48.24 | nevcairiel | The reason lights and shadows are so bad on CPU is that they are fake |
| 08:48.41 | nevcairiel | Lights are not used much by WoW, so thats not a big thing, but shadows are |
| 08:49.35 | nevcairiel | Actual proper shadows are extremely complex to calculate, and if you want to do it right, you need ray tracing, which eats GPUs for breakfast |
| 08:49.43 | nevcairiel | so games do "fake" shadows |
| 08:49.49 | nevcairiel | which is why they look wrong in so many cases |
| 08:50.03 | nevcairiel | but the faking process runs on the CPU |
| 08:51.17 | nevcairiel | so much about what we call "traditional rendering" is a whole collection of clever fakeing mechanics |
| 08:51.42 | nevcairiel | because the correct way is beyond what our hardware can do :D |
| 08:52.14 | nevcairiel | maybe in a couple years if the ray tracing stuff from nvidia takes off and gets faster in 2 generations or so |
| 08:52.31 | AcidWeb | Screw correct way - working correctly one is enought. |
| 08:52.52 | AcidWeb | And WoW is far from it. |
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| 09:20.41 | VIad | my 1080 sits at 50% load, and the other at 0% because it has nothing to do with the CPU being the bottle neck. would be amazing if you could swap certain rendering tasks over from the CPU to the GPU, like in my case shadows would probably be a better GPU task but having this kind of swapperoo is probably like making a hybrid car, costly for the sake of two technologies. |
| 09:21.45 | VIad | at least shifting the load around on additional cores is a step in the right direction as far as wow goes. |
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| 09:25.00 | VIad | makes sense since most CPU these days compete on the MT aspect, not high speeds per Core :P |
| 09:25.33 | VIad | like 2.2Ghz 32 Cores sounds amazing but in WoW terms pretty crap - until now I hope. depends how well the multithreading scales on many cores. |
| 09:27.27 | VIad | perhaps WoW 9.x comes with RTX support and migrates all shadow managment to the GPU. can only dream. |
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| 09:44.40 | ls- | lmao, no, that's like the best way to alienate a huge chunk of your playerbase, you're delusional if you think that many people will have rtx cards at thier current prices and that devs will actually start actively adding ray tracing support, I mean, it's been years since dx12 was released, even nowadays most titles still are dx11 titles or "dx12" titles at best |
| 09:50.37 | nevcairiel | the reason for the slow dx12 uptick is of course that it takes a lot of experience and knowledge to write a good dx12 renderer, because the entire concept of dx12 (and also vulkan) is to move a lot of reponsibility from the driver to the application - ie. its much lower level, and thus much more effort |
| 09:50.58 | nevcairiel | the big engines are only catching up now and some games in 2018 are actually showing decent enhancements in running in dx12 over dx11 |
| 09:51.58 | nevcairiel | anyone that expected an immediate pay-off when dx12 was released was probably not very knowledgeable about the tech |
| 09:52.55 | nevcairiel | (also, if a game is GPU bound, the difference between 11 and 12 is likely going to be small anyway) |
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| 09:55.33 | VIad | a bit unsure of the SLI profiles for DX12 but they exist for DX11 indeed. |
| 09:56.04 | VIad | sadly being CPU bound for my rig DX12 shows tiny bit of smoother experience instead of DX11 with SLI |
| 10:04.35 | ls- | I'm aware of the reason why dx12 adoption rate is so low, but rtx won't be any better, I mean, it relies on dx12 due to dxr api, and in general devs don't adopt brand new features asap, esp if they require pretty much dedicated and expensive hardware to run effectively, *cough* ageia physx *cough* |
| 10:05.48 | ls- | imho, we won't see any decent rtx support in games till 21xx/30xx or even later... |
| 10:07.14 | ls- | even in current games that support rtx it's implementation is laughable, for instance, tomb raider, but it's a trend w/ this series |
| 10:08.16 | nevcairiel | your judgement without it even being available is laughable :p |
| 10:08.38 | ls- | I mean, one of prev tomb raiders was advertised as one of the first games to support dx12, but in reality it's a "dx12" title that had a dx12 toggle in settings, but effectively ran on dx11 :P |
| 10:08.57 | ls- | I'm not expecting much from TR series in terms of graphics |
| 10:09.31 | ls- | and ofc I'm a pleb w/ a 10xx card, so obv I won't be able to use rtx at all :P |
| 10:10.44 | ls- | k, cooking time >_> |
| 10:10.50 | ls- | being sick sucks.... |
| 10:11.23 | ls- | are flu shots available in your countries yet? |
| 10:11.33 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 10:11.39 | nevcairiel | never really gotten one tho |
| 10:12.45 | nevcairiel | my insurance even has that included, i s hould get one this year, got the flu l ast year, was annoying |
| 10:14.14 | ls- | got flu last week, it's a bitch, get shots for sure >_> |
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| 10:24.25 | VIad | hope you get well soon |
| 10:27.43 | ls- | ty <3 |
| 10:35.57 | VIad | maybe you'll be a bit more positive towards MT changes and have more hope for RTX in the future :P |
| 10:37.57 | ls- | I'm hopeful about mt changes though :P |
| 10:38.08 | ls- | as for rtx... |
| 10:41.00 | nevcairiel | ray tracing is definitely the future, but it'll take a few more generations for the performance and the software to catch up. The bonus on the software side is though that this is relatively easy to do, the fakeing was hard |
| 10:42.37 | ls- | yeah, I absolutely agree w/ that, I'm just not hopeful about rtx being mainstream so soon, for instance, when wow 9.0 comes out :P |
| 10:45.57 | VIad | probably not 9.x with the speed of expansions being spewed out. they're probably already working on 9.x so it's too late :P |
| 10:46.07 | VIad | maye wow 10.x or 11.x more realistic goals |
| 10:46.22 | nevcairiel | dont think wow is a good canidate for that anyway |
| 10:46.50 | nevcairiel | you would use that to get more realistic lighting and shadows, thats not really a big thing for wow |
| 10:49.31 | ls- | esp lightning |
| 10:52.28 | nevcairiel | RTX is primarily about quality, not performance, which is why its so controversial |
| 10:53.03 | nevcairiel | people are used to paying for performance upgrades, but quality upgrades are hard to quantify, especially if software first needs to be written |
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| 11:49.42 | foxlit | MunkDev: ConsolePort/Cursors/Interface.lua:99 reads "local newType = object == ('EditBox' and self.IndicatorS) or [...]" |
| 11:50.11 | foxlit | (the opening parenthesis is misplaced) |
| 11:52.21 | MunkDev | wat |
| 11:52.44 | foxlit | and ConsolePort/XML/Frames/GlobalFrames.xml:20+22 typo <Anhcors>[...]</Anhcors> |
| 11:56.04 | MunkDev | Any non-US resident here who filled out the IRS bullshit for Curse rewards? |
| 11:57.05 | MunkDev | foxlit: Don't think these things are in the current version |
| 11:58.15 | foxlit | what are we calling current? the last release on curseforge is from August 14th |
| 11:58.32 | foxlit | (or 15th?) |
| 11:58.47 | MunkDev | I guess I haven't updated my addons in a while, huh |
| 12:00.50 | MunkDev | foxlit: What tool are you using to find these things |
| 12:01.17 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#s:ConsolePort |
| 12:05.30 | MunkDev | It's like when you have a completely clean and fresh living room, but there's bread crumbs, a couple of socks and a ton of dust under the couch. |
| 12:06.12 | foxlit | I recently wrote and shipped something like x = y and 1 and 2, so Globe now whines if there's a literal constant to the left of an and/or. |
| 12:08.37 | Fisker | nice console port foxlit |
| 12:09.29 | MunkDev | foxlit: https://github.com/seblindfors/ConsolePort/blob/master/ConsolePort/Config/Binds.lua#L190-L191 |
| 12:09.41 | MunkDev | https://github.com/seblindfors/ConsolePort/blob/master/ConsolePort/Config/Binds.lua#L196 |
| 12:09.58 | MunkDev | Left operand of an OR is trivially truthy. ConsolePort/Config/Binds.lua:196 |
| 12:10.31 | nevcairiel | yeah that line is all sorts of bonkers |
| 12:10.49 | MunkDev | Can you even feed multiple vars after an and? |
| 12:10.55 | nevcairiel | no |
| 12:11.04 | MunkDev | I thought so |
| 12:11.10 | foxlit | This will clearly compile and run, it just won't do what whoever wrote it wanted. |
| 12:11.28 | nevcairiel | let me add parentheses to illustrate what it really does, (notHeader and 1), 1, 1, (1 or 1), 0.82, 0, 1 |
| 12:11.33 | MunkDev | Well, I wrote it, but since I know this doesn't work, I'm not sure why I did |
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| 12:46.04 | znf | I bet that even with the optimizations, I'm still gonna drop at 12fps during bloodlust in a raid |
| 12:55.08 | nevcairiel | thats your addons and no graphics tweaks can fix that :p |
| 13:00.44 | Mr_Rabies | some addon this expansion is absolutely murdering my computer in a raid group during combat |
| 13:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | not in a raid group, but participating in a world boss solo with a group in the area doesn't hurt my fps, but joining their group cuts my fps down to like 15 |
| 13:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | is there any way to pull up the internal addon communications? i suspect maybe it's an addon trying to sync stuff with the raid |
| 13:24.14 | znf | yeah, but there's no realistic way for me to check which addons are doing it |
| 13:24.26 | znf | unless I disable everything and just go with 1 by 1 enabled in a raid setting |
| 13:25.21 | znf | and considering how much my UI depends on addons, it feels unrealistic to attempt that |
| 13:26.23 | znf | like, I'm not really going to go raid with blizzard's default user frames as opposed to suf |
| 13:26.44 | znf | or without knp |
| 13:27.08 | znf | or weakauras or bigwigs |
| 13:29.21 | znf | the biggest culprint is probably skada, maybe I should give details a try |
| 13:34.44 | ls- | details' config stops me from using it >_> |
| 13:35.06 | znf | I think that's what put me off last time I tried it, too |
| 13:36.04 | znf | Tercioo's addons have the worst UX ever |
| 13:46.04 | znf | yup, still horrible |
| 13:46.22 | znf | Why are there so many pops-ups? :-| |
| 13:47.19 | ls- | the more the better, many websites agree w/ this logic as well :P |
| 13:52.57 | znf | Why the hell is there an "Avatar" feature |
| 13:54.36 | znf | Why is there so much fluff in this thing, plater, create aura, jesus christ |
| 14:01.51 | VIad | I found CLEU to usually be the biggest culprit and often in my own personal addons just temporarily unregister it when I join a open world raid group with 40 man killing a boss |
| 14:02.25 | VIad | the addon channel is probably spammy too but unsure if that alone is enough to affect FPS, but def enough in combat in that group when CLEU starts to monitor a bit too much data |
| 14:05.51 | znf | mkay, I endured the configuration, I think |
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| 14:26.23 | Andols2 | Mr_Rabies: There is C_ChatInfo.GetRegisteredAddonMessagePrefixes. Register them all to your own thing and look at it :) |
| 14:32.14 | Andols2 | No wait that's not how it's work O_o. Prefixes are global. Not local to the addon, right? |
| 14:36.55 | VIad | hmm, could one mid-combat do a enumeration of all frames that register specific events, backup their handlers and do a nil just to compare performance, then hook it back up again? |
| 14:39.31 | znf | Interesting. |
| 14:39.51 | znf | I disabled both skada and details, no big change in FPS |
| 14:40.00 | znf | was still dropping to 13~15 |
| 14:40.13 | znf | Then I noticed that if I have no target (/cleartarget), my FPS is suddenly 60 |
| 14:41.53 | znf | wonder if it's my custom suf module |
| 14:51.47 | znf | ok, wow, 30fps now after I adjusted my module to use UNIT_HEALTH instead of UNIT_HEALTH_FREQUENT |
| 14:52.50 | znf | and changed ScheduleRepeatingTimer from 0.25s to 1s O.O |
| 14:54.04 | znf | How do I check if I'm in a raid instance (not raid group)? |
| 14:58.00 | VIad | znf: you try to figure out based on group, or location?= |
| 14:58.14 | VIad | GetInstanceInfo() for location, IsInRaid([flag]) for group |
| 14:58.34 | znf | location, as in, raid instance |
| 15:20.04 | ls- | Torhal, o/, fun fact, curseforge doesn't accept images w/ uppercase extensions, something like avatar.PNG results in "File extension and file content type do not match. Please try uploading again.", but as soon as I rename it to avatar.png, everything works as expected :P |
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| 16:19.33 | Torhal | ls-: ... |
| 16:19.40 | Torhal | Ticketing up for the site devs. |
| 16:19.41 | Torhal | Danke. |
| 16:26.05 | znf | I haven't been to Dragon Soul in ages - have they made Spine a bit more solo-able these days? Last time I was there it kept rolling left/right continously, even if I was centered on his back |
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| 17:06.42 | nevcairiel | its perfectly soloable |
| 17:06.50 | nevcairiel | and has for years |
| 17:06.54 | nevcairiel | you just dont know how to |
| 17:08.16 | znf | no, there was a bug |
| 17:08.23 | znf | where it would continously roll |
| 17:11.58 | nevcairiel | i've been soloing it on and off at least since mop |
| 17:12.04 | nevcairiel | if you cant do it, you just suck |
| 17:12.13 | nevcairiel | ps: the trick is to keep moving left and right so the dragon gets confused |
| 17:13.02 | Maldivia | yeah, I've been soloing it as well no problem |
| 17:13.28 | znf | I do remember doing it right after a new expansion hit, not sure which tough, and I couldn't stop it from rolling. But it's been a while, so my memory is foggy |
| 17:13.33 | znf | I'll give it a try tomorow maybe |
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| 18:10.00 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 18:10.25 | nevcairiel | hey Fisker |
| 18:13.39 | Fisker | squints |
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| 18:22.16 | Thunder_Child | Well I totally misread that action. |
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| 19:00.04 | znf | Apparently US has 370 azerite gear live now from emissary quests |
| 19:00.15 | znf | Still seeing 340 on EU |
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| 19:06.19 | Maldivia | that was fast |
| 19:08.21 | sb | znf: we dont have a new emissary with loot today |
| 19:09.50 | znf | I still have the vol'dun one in my log |
| 19:10.53 | sb | "NEW" |
| 19:10.56 | sb | ........ |
| 19:11.13 | znf | Why would it matter? |
| 19:11.44 | znf | People on NA turning the quest in too early said they got 340, but later got 370 |
| 19:11.49 | znf | (or 355) |
| 19:13.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.28 | nevcairiel | azerite should upgrade, not random gear =p |
| 19:15.19 | Semlar | what an odd set of rules |
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| 19:27.55 | Semlar | i wonder why they made so many different unique pieces of azerite gear for mythics and then locked all of them behind something you can't farm |
| 19:29.06 | znf | "hold my beer, I have an idea" |
| 19:30.02 | Semlar | or why they've apparently chosen to make azerite from emissary quests relevant, but not any of the other rewards |
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| 19:36.10 | Thunder_Child | You can farm them, it just takes a lot longer. |
| 19:36.35 | Thunder_Child | And by extension you play longer. |
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| 19:39.59 | znf | Haven't seen this one in a while https://i.imgur.com/FoI0BKH.png |
| 19:40.52 | Semlar | getting bracers out of the mythic chest every week isn't exactly motivating me to play longer |
| 19:41.15 | znf | Semlar, you'll get azerite bracers, just for you |
| 19:41.26 | Semlar | i'd go for that |
| 19:42.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.06 | Semlar | is this reverse bad luck protection? |
| 19:43.29 | Thunder_Child | Bad luck enforcement? |
| 19:44.29 | znf | I wonder if they actually plan on doing something with Heroics |
| 19:44.47 | znf | It's not even worth queueing for the azerite, as you get the same in a normal scenario that takes less time |
| 19:46.11 | Semlar | i think each boss drops 40+ azerite so it's probably more than a scenario but not enough to make it worth doing for azerite |
| 19:46.49 | znf | I'm aware, yes. |
| 19:46.56 | znf | Also, the queue times for DPS are hilariously long, still. |
| 19:47.15 | xyphoid | reads back |
| 19:48.05 | xyphoid | the easy way to solo dragon soul is kill all but one tentacle and stand on the patch until 8 oozes spawn, you don't need to constantly move that way |
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| 20:04.23 | znf | why can't I solo-queue for expeditions, Semlar? |
| 20:16.29 | znf | sb, now you can shut up https://i.imgur.com/7NTBEkO.png |
| 20:17.06 | znf | live on EU |
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| 20:26.28 | sb | not nice! |
| 21:08.05 | foxlit | Could someone screenshot /dump UnitGUID("mouseover") while pointing at the horde BfA mission table? |
| 21:14.50 | znf | sure |
| 21:15.32 | znf | [00:15:26] [1]="Creature-0-1465-1642-2163-138706-00003BB16A" |
| 21:15.38 | znf | or you want an actual screenshot? |
| 21:15.50 | foxlit | no, text is just fine. Thank you. |
| 21:15.51 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/DbXJDUV.jpg |
| 21:17.04 | znf | I still wonder why they didn't phase these somehow https://i.imgur.com/a72ETSZ.png |
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