| 00:00.47 | foxlit | I don't think that requires the tank to have the key |
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| 03:35.11 | znf | oh, hi https://i.imgur.com/oHikiUm.png |
| 03:35.32 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/AnJGm5r.png |
| 03:35.32 | znf | oh :( |
| 03:35.36 | znf | so only the first time you get +50 cp |
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| 05:13.36 | Gethe_ | https://www.sublimemerge.com/ Seems promising |
| 05:29.49 | Semlar | this page could use some more css |
| 05:37.09 | Simca | ever since sourcetree went down the shitter with its redesign, i've swapped to GitTower. I like it a lot. |
| 05:45.09 | ls- | Gethe_, ty, bookmarked |
| 05:45.24 | ls- | I sometimes use gitkraken, works fine for the most part |
| 05:45.45 | ls- | although some ui design decisions are questionable |
| 05:46.44 | Gethe_ | yeah i've been using gitkraken, mostly for image diffs which seems to be a fairly rare feature |
| 05:48.27 | ls- | it really annoys me that you can see commit log, file view. and diff view at the same times, it's either commit log + file view or diff view + file view >_> |
| 06:18.33 | Torhal | Simca: The redesign was pretty bad, but that isn't to blame for the wholeness of the shittiness. The entire thing takes ages to do anything at all these days. |
| 06:18.48 | Simca | yeah |
| 06:18.49 | Torhal | And this is on the Mac version, which was the original. Atlassian really fucked it up. |
| 06:18.58 | Simca | but it was around the same time |
| 06:19.13 | Simca | maybe like a month or two after 2.0 that it started taking minutes to complete any operation |
| 06:19.19 | Torhal | They probably had to (badly) refactor the whole damn thing to fit what design wanted. |
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| 06:32.52 | Torhal | I was actually excited until I saw the price tag. If it were a bit more mature, maybe... but right now it isn't respecting my Git settings and it trying to change the file format for everything in the repo. |
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| 07:33.00 | Simca | it wants you to believe harder in the power of \r\n |
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| 10:38.14 | Torhal | Heh. |
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| 12:56.56 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/2F8mE4y.png |
| 13:19.37 | znf | they nerfed the bridge https://i.imgur.com/QpJQuEp.png |
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| 15:04.40 | Stanzilla | they nerved teeming hard over night |
| 15:05.57 | Stanzilla | Simca: got exact data for that? |
| 15:10.27 | Simca | i don't think i can |
| 15:10.35 | Simca | it's mob spawns, that's serverside |
| 15:13.55 | Stanzilla | shrine is much more relaxed now |
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| 15:36.33 | znf | so is King' Rest |
| 15:50.04 | Stanzilla | yeah heard double brute is gone |
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| 15:51.33 | znf | also double golems, like I posted above |
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| 16:00.10 | znf | was 3 minutes in the group |
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| 16:55.01 | znf | These are hilarious https://i.imgur.com/mdBujYn.jpg |
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| 18:47.10 | znf | Stanzilla, you did a Underrot with Teeming post-nerf? |
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| 18:59.10 | Stanzilla | not yet |
| 18:59.17 | Stanzilla | why? |
| 19:02.14 | znf | Was curious what packs they nerfed |
| 19:12.17 | VIad | znf: ROFL https://i.imgur.com/2F8mE4y.png |
| 19:28.28 | foxlit | it's weekend, so let's whine about blizzard code. |
| 19:29.06 | foxlit | Replicating the graphical layout of some BFA frames requires you to sacrifice five goats to the five old gods. |
| 19:31.04 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure rendering just the background textures/static frame layout of the bfa missions UI requires a thousand or two lines of code. |
| 19:34.41 | Thunder_Child | Each? That's a lot of goats. |
| 19:36.30 | foxlit | I just wanted a frame using the same graphics, and it ended up being created from a template intended for garrisons, called into order hall UI to re-configure god-knows-what, then applied its own customizations (which assume that the frame you're trying to re-skin has all the additional components of the original blizzard frame). |
| 19:38.52 | foxlit | That cute scroll background on the header is managed by a frame inheriting from ResizeLayoutFrame template which is a a vehicle for injecting ResizeLayoutMixin. If you happen to try CreateFrame("Frame", nil, parent, "ResizeLayoutFrame") with a visible parent, it immediately throws an error because it expects certain table keys to exist on the created frame before control returns from CreateFrame. |
| 19:41.08 | foxlit | but fine, I can hide the parent, create that thing, set the keyvalues it expects, then re-show the parent. |
| 19:41.40 | VIad | it's nice when templates expect another template to create it :D |
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| 19:43.10 | foxlit | and it still doesn't work ( https://ghostbin.com/paste/dekr8 ). |
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| 19:47.39 | foxlit | because presumably some mixin shuffled some other template-created widget to be a child of that resizelayoutframe, and *something* either isn't positioned properly or isn't updated properly. |
| 19:51.57 | znf | VIad, I posted that... |
| 19:52.34 | foxlit | this is ridiculous. |
| 19:53.40 | foxlit | the fontstring layout child of that resizing frame is anchored to the resizing frame, which is anchored to a texture, which has no declared size because it is set from an atlas, and I presume the texture/atlas doesn't get loaded unless it is shown, so the layout system doesn't know the size of the texture widget, so everything anchored to it has no assigned rects. |
| 19:54.59 | VIad | I agree with you. templates should be usable individually ideally |
| 19:59.45 | foxlit | okay, no, that wasn't it. It turns out the automatically-resizing frame needs an initial size which it's going to immediately replace, because it can't figure out where its children are otherwise. |
| 20:00.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.31 | Stanzilla | what are you going to do with it |
| 20:02.45 | Alram | give goats to the goat god |
| 20:02.46 | Alram | cant you read |
| 20:04.28 | Thunder_Child | No it just said goats for the goat god, not that foxlit is going to be giving them. |
| 20:05.35 | foxlit | Realistically, I just want to a frame that looks like the rest of the Blizzard UI. |
| 20:06.30 | znf | I like how someone on reddit tried to bash me because, quote "I play 3-4 hours a day for M+, you're not playing enough, that's why" |
| 20:06.40 | znf | And I'm here with 8+ hours a day /played trying to get into M+ |
| 20:10.39 | Stanzilla | foxlit: I'll kiss you if you update MasterPlan for BfA btw |
| 20:13.25 | Thunder_Child | Is that supposed to make him want to do it, or not want to do it? |
| 20:14.13 | znf | presses I and looks into the void |
| 20:14.17 | znf | Should I? |
| 20:26.46 | Semlar | you'd get into groups easier as a healer |
| 20:26.50 | Semlar | are you on US or EU |
| 20:30.01 | znf | I can't heal |
| 20:30.09 | znf | I don't enjoy healing |
| 20:34.58 | foxlit | <Frame useParentLevel="true"> has no lua equivalent, right? |
| 20:40.22 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/48aubcxi.jpg |
| 20:40.48 | znf | foxlit is up to something |
| 20:44.03 | foxlit | this layering structure is hilarious. Why aren't the tiled border elements on the same level as the corners? :/ |
| 20:44.23 | foxlit | what is MapCanvasScrollControllerMixin even doing? |
| 20:45.20 | foxlit | or is the answer in some other combination of MapCanvasMixin, AdventureMapMixin, OrderHallMissionAdventureMapMixin code? |
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| 20:48.21 | Semlar | trying to figure out what anything is doing with mixins is madness |
| 20:51.48 | foxlit | so the corners are in a separate frame that has a higher frame level while the tiled stripes are textures on the base frame. |
| 20:52.08 | Semlar | to be fair, the corners should be above the edges |
| 20:53.36 | Semlar | i tried to make a copy of the world map from the mixins once and gave up trying to figure out what it wanted after about 5 minutes |
| 20:54.58 | Semlar | it looked like it wanted a scroll frame with a scrollchild that had a specific parentkey but that was too much work |
| 20:57.07 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/d3a7nfyd.jpg << sacrificing an additional goat forced it into submission. |
| 20:57.15 | Semlar | nice :ok_hand: |
| 20:57.49 | foxlit | that's no way to live, though. I'm going to run out of goats before I get to writing any actual code. |
| 20:59.02 | Funkeh` | ð Semlar |
| 20:59.14 | Funkeh` | this ain't discord |
| 20:59.25 | Semlar | sadly |
| 20:59.46 | foxlit | I think the way it's supposed to work is that the useParentLevel forces all of the frame's texture objects to be in the same texture layers as its parent, so the borders created on the frame would still be on top of the map background. |
| 21:00.45 | foxlit | however, there doesn't seem to be a way to make it do that for a Lua-created frame. |
| 21:01.25 | Semlar | there's a method called :SetFlattensRenderLayers(true) but i don't know if it's the same thing |
| 21:02.11 | Semlar | i use that to merge the layers of my nameplates so when two different nameplates overlap on top of each other they don't have random layers showing up over each other |
| 21:02.27 | foxlit | no, I don't think those are the same thing |
| 21:02.59 | foxlit | or at least :GetFlattensRenderLayers() return false when called on a frame with useParentLevel="true" |
| 21:03.59 | Semlar | it basically makes it so all the children of the frame get treated as if that frame were on a single layer |
| 21:04.28 | Semlar | so instead of having higher level parts of it overlap lower level frames when they intersect it just puts them all together |
| 21:05.26 | Semlar | i would probably just give up and use xml though |
| 21:09.25 | znf | I was thinking now - every spec I played in the past is now shit - elemental shaman, feral druid |
| 21:09.30 | znf | I think I should play whatever Semlar plays |
| 21:13.53 | Semlar | demon hunter |
| 21:14.15 | Semlar | honestly you should make a mage |
| 21:15.16 | Semlar | it's kind of like a shadow priest but always good |
| 21:16.01 | foxlit | Semlar: it basically makes it so all the children of the frame get treated as if that frame were on a single layer << I don't think that's quite it either |
| 21:17.55 | Semlar | well it does something at any rate |
| 21:18.23 | znf | Semlar, that's what annoys me the most |
| 21:18.33 | znf | troughout the history, Mage always had a very good damage-dealing spec |
| 21:18.43 | foxlit | (I think it will do that if it collides with another frame, but not within the frame's descendants, so you'd still have this "child frame A's textures appear above textures on the parent frame" issue) |
| 21:18.52 | znf | There was no time were anyone tought "all mages suck, they are low dps" |
| 21:19.25 | Semlar | if i'm cherry picking players for a mythic i'm generally looking for some specific utility |
| 21:20.11 | Semlar | so it's not just the fact that mages do decent damage, it's also the fact that they have an aoe slow, bloodlust, food, etc |
| 21:20.12 | Fisker | hey Seerah |
| 21:20.13 | Fisker | i |
| 21:20.15 | Fisker | Cairenn: |
| 21:20.45 | Thunder_Child | That's because you have 3 chances to get a spec right on a mage. |
| 21:20.56 | Cairenn | hi |
| 21:21.05 | Semlar | the shadow priests i've played with usually aren't bad damage, but i also don't know what they bring aside from dispels |
| 21:22.23 | znf | I'm not even talking about the point of utility actually mattering |
| 21:22.26 | znf | I'm not doing M+15 |
| 21:22.56 | Semlar | i do this at lower levels |
| 21:23.08 | Semlar | i need that slow when i'm kiting |
| 21:23.30 | znf | Mind Flay slows... Mind Blast disorients them |
| 21:23.38 | znf | I can pull your ass 10 miles away |
| 21:23.53 | znf | I can heal your ass when the healer is oom |
| 21:24.34 | znf | I'm the DPS that actually uses his party/raid-wide healing cooldown |
| 21:32.54 | Semlar | do you have mass dispel? |
| 21:33.11 | znf | Yes |
| 21:36.52 | Semlar | would be useful in king's rest |
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| 21:38.50 | znf | you underestimate how useful is Shackle Undead to be honest |
| 21:39.20 | Semlar | no, it's just that king's rest is one of the only places with undead mobs that i can think of |
| 21:39.50 | znf | atal'dazar |
| 21:39.58 | znf | we can CC the big guys |
| 21:40.17 | znf | when you kite like a mad man, or from the start while the group deals with the other mobs |
| 21:40.30 | Semlar | the totem trolls? |
| 21:40.32 | znf | yeah |
| 21:41.25 | znf | also, there's no CD on Shackle Undead, and it's a quick cast, I always shackle the guys that leap around in KR |
| 21:43.00 | Semlar | aside from myself when i was playing a priest, i don't think i've ever seen another priest cast shackle undead |
| 21:43.32 | znf | I have it bound :P |
| 21:49.24 | Semlar | i used to cast it just to interrupt something when i was healing |
| 21:49.41 | Semlar | you could basically just spam it |
| 21:50.07 | Semlar | but there aren't as many things to cast it on in these dungeons |
| 21:50.14 | znf | there is in KR :D |
| 21:50.52 | Semlar | king's rest is also probably one of the hardest dungeons with teeming fortified trash |
| 21:51.07 | znf | it's really easier now that they nerfed it |
| 21:51.48 | znf | If you don't rush like an idiot and CC properly, you can do it |
| 21:53.27 | znf | I still think that the blobs in the 2nd boss room are incredibly retarded designed |
| 21:53.38 | Semlar | mind control works on everything that isn't a demon, mechanical or undead? |
| 21:54.44 | Semlar | why do i never see anyone using this |
| 21:55.23 | znf | can't do it with Quaking |
| 21:55.36 | znf | you get interrupted, because... why the fuck not |
| 21:56.01 | znf | I do use it, but every time I use it, after it breaks the tank never gets how to tank it |
| 21:56.08 | znf | they instantly taunt, and they are immune for a few seconds |
| 21:56.49 | znf | it's very useful at the cannon part @ tol dagor |
| 21:57.05 | znf | if you MC-pull an officer, you can cannon them to death without doing any combat |
| 21:57.07 | Semlar | that's right, i have seen one priest use mind control |
| 21:57.28 | znf | because you aggro the other guys with the MC mob |
| 21:57.32 | Semlar | it was the first week and killing them with the cannon while they were MC'd didn't spawn sanguine |
| 21:58.52 | znf | You can also use it to stop a mob from getting buffed |
| 21:59.02 | znf | with that affix, what's it's name? bolstering? |
| 21:59.04 | Semlar | and then cast fort on it |
| 21:59.17 | Semlar | heal it up |
| 21:59.24 | Semlar | troll people |
| 22:00.20 | znf | there's many things I dislike about MC these days |
| 22:00.31 | znf | The aggro immunity is one |
| 22:00.46 | znf | The other thing is that they are reducing the abilities number of the mobs by far too much |
| 22:00.46 | Semlar | https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/quakeassist |
| 22:01.37 | znf | MC'ing is a high-risk spell, but the rewards are too small :-/ |
| 22:02.16 | znf | Also, for some reason, someone decided that the damage no longer gets attributed to you |
| 22:02.18 | Semlar | i was thinking about boosting my priest |
| 22:02.28 | znf | (or any effect, for that reason) |
| 22:02.33 | znf | "why is the priest so low?" |
| 22:02.54 | znf | "where did that billion HP heal come from?" |
| 22:03.31 | znf | I haven't looked at the actual combat log, but it doesn't register in my Skada or my xCT+ anymore |
| 22:03.53 | Semlar | i thought about playing my rogue but it seemed pointless when i have a dps spec on my demon hunter i can switch to whenever i want |
| 22:04.33 | Semlar | i haven't decided what to make for an alt |
| 22:05.59 | znf | Somehow I've gained about 20 item levels in the last ~2 weeks, yet I'm still stuck at 19% haste |
| 22:06.17 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better i'm down to like 10% haste |
| 22:06.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.06 | znf | I'm 363/365, and I don't want to change pieces because I loose too much haste |
| 22:08.53 | Semlar | kind of annoying since they changed the cooldown of demon spikes, our active mitigation spell from 15 to 20 seconds |
| 22:09.33 | znf | look at this guy with his fancy 380 gear |
| 22:09.36 | Semlar | haste affects it but i can't really stack it |
| 22:10.05 | Semlar | i'd have more if i hadn't gotten BRACERS out of both of my mythic chests |
| 22:10.38 | znf | I don't think I got an upgrade either from any cache |
| 22:10.56 | Semlar | i take solace in the knowledge that other people share my suffering |
| 22:12.16 | Semlar | although my raider.io score is suffering because i'm basically just running one mythic 10 for the week |
| 22:13.18 | Semlar | my friend got a 370 chest off the alliance boss, then coined the same chest but couldn't trade either one to me because they were both bound |
| 22:13.50 | foxlit | you can't trade coined loot |
| 22:14.13 | Semlar | no, but the first one was bound because it was a higher item level and the second one was bound because it was a coin roll |
| 22:14.23 | Semlar | which sucks |
| 22:15.17 | Semlar | i of course got nothing off the boss and nothing from my bonus roll, as per tradition |
| 22:15.43 | znf | Let's see |
| 22:15.47 | znf | I got Shoes from chest |
| 22:16.05 | znf | 365, crit/mastery |
| 22:16.12 | znf | I had better |
| 22:16.34 | Semlar | i would try and help you get a 10 but i don't know if you're on EU or US |
| 22:16.58 | znf | I'm EU dumbo |
| 22:17.03 | Semlar | i asked earlier |
| 22:17.11 | znf | I know, but I know you're US, so... |
| 22:17.35 | znf | Unless you moved from swamp-ass state |
| 22:18.17 | Semlar | well you're on your own |
| 22:18.35 | znf | I know :) |
| 22:18.38 | Semlar | if it were me i'd be healing to get gear |
| 22:18.55 | Semlar | i would think it would be a lot harder to get into groups as shadow |
| 22:19.12 | znf | I have no issues getting into raid groups tough |
| 22:19.19 | znf | well, not for the moment yet, pugs aren't asking for Curve yet |
| 22:19.37 | Semlar | they do for heroic |
| 22:19.53 | znf | not yet here |
| 22:20.06 | znf | only for G'huun |
| 22:20.31 | Semlar | i pugged to mythrax, i don't really want to find a group for the last 2 bosses |
| 22:20.44 | znf | yeah, same |
| 22:21.02 | Semlar | there's a big variation in group quality |
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| 22:21.35 | znf | if group is not using voice-comms, it's usually shit :P |
| 22:21.48 | Semlar | yeah but they don't always list that they're using discord in the description |
| 22:21.49 | znf | tough the first 5 bosses are easily pug'd |
| 22:21.53 | znf | indeed :( |
| 22:21.55 | znf | which is a shame |
| 22:22.37 | Semlar | anyone doing mythrax is probably going to want to stack the raid with ranged |
| 22:23.04 | Semlar | i normally queue as a dps just because most groups already have 2 tanks |
| 22:23.12 | znf | yeah, but they're asking Curve for Mythrax, so.. : |
| 22:23.33 | znf | and the g'huun groups are either - asking for an orb carrier - or curve |
| 22:23.47 | Semlar | i probably could've gotten into a g'huun group yesterday but they wanted someone to solo the orb and i didn't really want to do that |
| 22:24.36 | Semlar | it's sort of possible as a DH but you need a warlock gateway and the leap from metamorphosis |
| 22:24.44 | znf | yup, solo orb carriers are in high demand |
| 22:25.10 | Semlar | so if anything goes wrong it won't work |
| 22:25.43 | znf | Also, it's incredibly frustrating how important is a fucking rogue in Tol dagor |
| 22:25.48 | znf | like they needed more fucking favoritism |
| 22:25.59 | Semlar | well there's plenty of rogues to go around |
| 22:26.20 | Semlar | you can unlock the doors with inscription or blacksmithing |
| 22:26.31 | Semlar | it's just slower |
| 22:26.36 | znf | good thing I have old-ass Engineering |
| 22:26.44 | znf | which hasn't received a blasting thing since... MoP? |
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| 22:30.00 | znf | Semlar, ...why the hell is that voice-alert in that addon in chinese? |
| 22:33.56 | Semlar | maybe a chinese author |
| 22:35.26 | Semlar | after looking through logs, quake happens every 20 seconds, but has a chance to not happen every time |
| 22:35.49 | Semlar | so if it doesn't happen at the 20 second mark it has another chance in another 20 seconds |
| 22:36.38 | Semlar | it's not something that affects me much as a tank but i should probably track it just to know when it's coming for my healer |
| 22:36.51 | znf | Mind Control is a 30s channel :( |
| 22:38.11 | Semlar | i don't know if MC is worth casting, but things hit quite hard (at least if you're tanking in leather) so taking something annoying out of the fight can be useful |
| 22:38.48 | Semlar | in the motherlode, things like the assassins that cast the aoe fan of knives, the refreshment vendors that stun |
| 22:40.50 | Semlar | uh if you MC an infested guy does that heal the group? |
| 23:10.52 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/EeKHAi8.png |
| 23:10.53 | znf | :( |
| 23:11.07 | znf | Semlar, not sure if I can MC or I even have that ability |
| 23:11.49 | Semlar | in 10+ there are mobs that are infested and heal everything around them for like 5% of their health per second or something |
| 23:12.03 | Semlar | it's just passive |
| 23:12.11 | znf | no idea, haven't done M+10 |
| 23:12.27 | Semlar | i kinda doubt it would affect allies if you MC'd one because that would be kind of broken |
| 23:13.00 | znf | transfer EU, boost me to a +10 and let's see |
| 23:13.01 | znf | :D |
| 23:13.24 | Semlar | pfft |
| 23:14.13 | znf | there's no other way I can find that |
| 23:14.59 | znf | why did I even bother doing a AD+6 |
| 23:15.01 | znf | :-| |
| 23:16.09 | znf | they look like they need another priest https://i.imgur.com/FHUDQmz.png |
| 23:16.09 | znf | :D |
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| 23:52.46 | Simca | no, it still affects enemies, Semlar |
| 23:53.25 | Simca | it's actually really awful, if your pet becomes infested, it's basically unusable until you fix it |
| 23:58.55 | Semlar | lol |
