| 00:00.25 | znf | I insist that Raider.IO is the worst thing that has happened to the WoW community since gearscore |
| 00:05.07 | znf | What I don't really understand is what are people that are missing just 1 DPS doing for 5++ minutes in the queue |
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| 00:07.29 | foxlit | Something mildly encouraging: GetSpellInfo("Legion Tailoring") == "Legion Tailoring" iff you have learned that skill. |
| 00:08.44 | foxlit | still can't get the skill level without awkward hoops to jump through, but that at least covers things that require Something (1). |
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| 02:00.09 | znf | yeah, I've had that in my quest log for years :D |
| 02:05.26 | znf | always fun https://i.imgur.com/7PzAPaK.png |
| 02:10.43 | Stanzilla | play disc |
| 02:12.50 | znf | can't |
| 02:12.50 | znf | people die |
| 02:13.09 | znf | I don't enjoy healing |
| 02:13.12 | znf | It's a snooze-fest |
| 02:14.02 | Stanzilla | try healing something above m0 then |
| 02:16.26 | znf | nope, I simply don't enjoy it |
| 02:16.30 | znf | I'd rather tank |
| 02:16.37 | znf | But I don't want to level another char to 120, so fuck that |
| 02:17.25 | Torhal | We all pull znf aggro every day, and it's yet to wipe the channel. |
| 02:19.04 | Thunder_Child | That's because we don't stand in the vitriol. |
| 03:03.25 | znf | Simca, yeah. |
| 03:03.27 | znf | Fuck. That. Shit. |
| 03:03.43 | znf | Did +6 underrot :-| |
| 03:04.26 | Simca | i did it once and i will not be doing it again this week |
| 03:05.05 | znf | so many places where there shouldn't be fucking mobs |
| 03:05.07 | znf | insane |
| 03:05.45 | znf | those extra eye-tentacles... jesus christ |
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| 11:28.12 | Infus | Tsquare |
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| 12:07.11 | Infus | TSquare: hi there, I'm glad that you joined |
| 12:09.03 | Infus | TSquare: in the collections window neither the companion pets nor the toys use a local aware sorting method, so the sorting is wrong for german. The mount page is sorted correctly. Incidentally, I would love to have case-insenstive, locale aware sorting method available |
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| 13:12.39 | znf | people are ignoring these crates big time https://i.imgur.com/xq3elnP.jpg |
| 13:13.20 | Gnarfoz | I think we found two of those while leveling, but both of them went to someone other than me; what do they do/contain? |
| 13:13.43 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/YBA6BQ6.png |
| 13:14.08 | znf | anyone can loot it after someone from your faction picks it |
| 13:14.14 | znf | I mean, anyone from your faction, obviously |
| 13:15.28 | znf | I assume that the gear in it comes from your conquest level (?), but I can't verify that as I haven't really done any pvp |
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| 15:23.56 | VIad | znf: last time I looted them it's 50 conq points it's okay, okay with AP but items were abysmal, might scale with arena rating but dunno xd |
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| 15:26.32 | znf | VIad, that's what I said :P |
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| 15:28.08 | VIad | tbh the dropship is difficult to spot visually, and hard to even see if the drop has been made or not |
| 15:28.20 | VIad | would be much better if it at least had a visual box under it until its dropped to make it easier to figure out |
| 15:28.41 | VIad | watched it while it flies above, it just drops a box out of nothingness so just looking at the plane you dont know if its been dropped or not |
| 15:30.19 | znf | that's my beef with it, too |
| 15:30.22 | znf | you hear the ship, you look up |
| 15:30.32 | znf | you watch it fly trough the whole zone, but you can't tell if it dropped it's load or not |
| 15:30.47 | znf | I swear I saw it fly trough the whole zone without dropping anything |
| 15:30.57 | VIad | it's pretty bad yes |
| 15:31.09 | znf | either that, or the crate is not rendered after a specific distance |
| 15:31.44 | znf | but I'm not sure what the actual distance is, because I've had that targetted for miles away and it kept the target without clearing by itself |
| 15:31.51 | znf | (after I saw it drop, that is) |
| 15:31.59 | VIad | it is visible for the entire zone it seems |
| 15:32.06 | VIad | but the box is crappily implemented :D |
| 15:32.08 | VIad | as its not |
| 15:33.15 | znf | it also seems to have fixed spots |
| 15:33.26 | VIad | that still aim for trees apparently |
| 15:33.35 | znf | that's fun to get :D |
| 15:33.56 | VIad | less problematic for DH :x |
| 15:46.20 | TSquare | Stanzilla: That's not the UI team, but I can pass it to QA for processing. |
| 15:47.43 | TSquare | Infus: I'll get a bug in and we can take a look. I'm pretty sure we have case-insensitive, locale aware string compare functions. We may not be using them here. |
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| 15:48.53 | TSquare | Happy Friday |
| 15:49.41 | ls- | TSquare, hi o/, this bug was prob reported numerous times, but here's my cooldown bug report: https://gist.github.com/ls-/1b736767268ae6846c6fadbedcfa4170 |
| 15:50.28 | ls- | w/ screenshots and gifs :D fancy.... |
| 15:51.02 | ls- | and, yeah, happy friday :> |
| 15:51.31 | Semlar | why is the icon so big |
| 15:51.45 | TSquare | ls- great, thanks for the write up. I'll pass it to my QA |
| 15:53.39 | ls- | Semlar, I added button:SetSize(32, 32) to my dump macro, otherwise, icons would be too small for pretteh screens >_> |
| 15:54.32 | TSquare | FYI on bugs - I'm happy to take them and I'll pass them on to our QA dept. |
| 15:54.48 | TSquare | After that they are triaged just like any other bug. |
| 15:55.12 | TSquare | So I can't guarantee when/if it will be fixed |
| 15:55.24 | TSquare | But do know it will be looked into |
| 15:55.49 | ls- | yeah, we're used to it, it's been this way since forever, not ETAs and stuff :> |
| 15:56.35 | ls- | but at least we know we're heard, and we can provide better and/or more detailed bug reports to you, devs, directly |
| 15:57.01 | ls- | esp if bugs or even exploits are game breaking, shady :D |
| 15:57.40 | Semlar | i've probably never had this happen because i never turn my computer off |
| 15:57.41 | TSquare | yea, exactly! For some bugs it does help to have that detailed description. |
| 15:57.50 | TSquare | Especially with bugs in our lua system |
| 15:58.14 | Semlar | so my GetTime() is always returning a pretty big number |
| 15:59.03 | nebula | must be compensating for something |
| 15:59.13 | ls- | client and/or pc restarts help w/ this cooldown bug reproduction a lot! |
| 16:00.07 | ls- | alternatively, you can just run around and target different ppl, long cooldowns tend to bork more easily |
| 16:00.23 | ls- | esp new contract buffs |
| 16:00.42 | Semlar | i have a better solution, just add some big number to GetTime()'s base value |
| 16:00.45 | TSquare | It could be a UI bug, but could easily be for our Gameplay team |
| 16:00.46 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 16:00.52 | TSquare | they handle the spell system |
| 16:01.55 | ls- | yeah, I mentioned a hack that allows to "fix" this bug, just ignore the "duration" return, and use only expirationTime |
| 16:02.46 | ls- | cooldown:SetCooldown(1, expirationTime - 1, modRate) makes cooldowns immune to this bug, the only negative side-effect is that you get cd numbers even for the GCD |
| 16:04.11 | ls- | weird stuff starts when expirationTime - duration is a negative number, then it doesn't pass few lua and, I guess, c checks as well, hence no spiral, no cd numbers, nothing |
| 16:04.34 | Infus | TSquare: one of the problems with that, is that we never hear back when a bug is fixed, which leads to me not bothering with some bugs |
| 16:04.43 | Infus | If e.g. creating a test case would take too much time |
| 16:06.17 | TSquare | Yea, I understand. |
| 16:06.38 | TSquare | I guess I'm just asking that you have faith we will handle it properly |
| 16:07.02 | TSquare | we may choose not to fix a particular bug. |
| 16:07.15 | TSquare | that should not prevent people from telling us about others |
| 16:08.10 | TSquare | also be aware that I can't take bugs in like this for all of our players |
| 16:08.21 | TSquare | not even for all addon authors |
| 16:08.47 | Infus | watcher said you only had 1500 open bug reports |
| 16:08.55 | ls- | :D |
| 16:08.58 | Infus | :Ã |
| 16:09.01 | Infus | :P |
| 16:09.03 | ls- | :V |
| 16:09.24 | TSquare | I'm not sure what we are currently at for the team |
| 16:09.31 | TSquare | he has a better idea of that than me |
| 16:09.49 | znf | that's... concerning |
| 16:09.55 | TSquare | I know that the UI team fixes hundreds of bugs every patch |
| 16:10.15 | Tercioo | <TSquare> ant word about the bug where addon textures .blp .tga do not cache on memory and load from the disk every time they are show? |
| 16:10.16 | TSquare | we do punt / Won't fix tens of bugs |
| 16:10.22 | Tercioo | any* |
| 16:10.56 | Infus | the exact quote is "There have been over 30,000 bugs entered and tracked over the course of BfA's alpha, beta, and release. 95% of those have been fixed, with most of the open issues being ones that were reported recently and are either being worked on or will be resolved in our next major patch. Legion had very similar numbers, for reference." |
| 16:11.00 | Infus | But that was just kidding :) |
| 16:11.05 | TSquare | tercioo I don't know this bug off the top of my head. But if it was passed on, it should be in our system |
| 16:11.13 | Infus | 5% of 30.000 is 1500 :) |
| 16:12.17 | TSquare | when I hear "95%" I just assume the person is not being exact, but just saying "most" |
| 16:13.05 | TSquare | Tercioo - do you mean when the texture is hidden? |
| 16:13.31 | TSquare | we don't cache most textures when they are hidden |
| 16:13.40 | TSquare | so it may not be a bug |
| 16:14.13 | Tercioo | <TSquare> correct, if an addon texture .blp .tga is hidden and Show() is called, it load from the disk every time |
| 16:14.34 | Tercioo | this causes fps drops specially for have customized UIs |
| 16:15.02 | Tercioo | it never was like that, it happened only in betas, but some how this is on retail as well |
| 16:15.11 | Infus | yeah, I was taking that quote widely out of context. He might also be refering only to newly filled bugs instead of total. |
| 16:17.54 | TSquare | I think there is a texture flag to keep it in memory |
| 16:18.04 | TSquare | we were running into memory issues on low end machines |
| 16:18.24 | TSquare | and not seeing any lag when reloading |
| 16:18.34 | TSquare | so that is now the default state |
| 16:19.00 | TSquare | there are a LOT of UI textures, that just don't need to be taking up space |
| 16:19.12 | Semlar | are you using SSDs on those machines? |
| 16:19.47 | TSquare | which machines? |
| 16:20.05 | TSquare | we have a dept that does compatibility testing if that's what you mean |
| 16:20.31 | Semlar | i mean the hard drive speed has a big impact on how quickly the textures load |
| 16:20.34 | TSquare | they give us reports on how our game runs with varius configs |
| 16:21.01 | TSquare | we tested on a slow platter drive with 2GB of ram |
| 16:21.16 | Semlar | that being said i haven't seen it actually lag the game, it just made the textures take a while to pop in when i ran it on my old platter drive |
| 16:21.17 | TSquare | and didn't see any bad lag |
| 16:21.28 | Funkeh`` | I always wondered why texture loading was slow every time, figured it would be cached |
| 16:21.46 | Funkeh`` | e.g. opening the world map |
| 16:21.54 | Semlar | oh, it might depend on how the textures are set |
| 16:22.03 | Semlar | i think you can make them blocking or nonblocking |
| 16:23.07 | Semlar | so if you had a bunch of blocking textures on a slow computer it might lag the game |
| 16:23.27 | Funkeh`` | so blocking is default? |
| 16:23.33 | Semlar | it used to be |
| 16:23.36 | Semlar | i don't know about now |
| 16:23.55 | Semlar | i assume if his giant UI replacement is lagging the game, it still is |
| 16:23.59 | znf | I'm actually wondering why they are doing that when they dropped support for 32bit and old windows versions |
| 16:25.14 | Funkeh`` | TSquare: is it a :SetTexture arg to keep it in memory? |
| 16:26.45 | Tercioo | <TSquare> I believe no lag in testing because who test doesn't test on a 20man raid with several addons running |
| 16:29.12 | znf | pump it up to 30m |
| 16:29.20 | znf | My 5 FPS wheep |
| 16:33.25 | Stanzilla | new PTR build btw |
| 16:34.14 | ls- | 8.1? or yet another 8.0.1 build? |
| 16:34.17 | Stanzilla | 8.1 |
| 16:34.30 | Stanzilla | 8.1.0.27826 |
| 16:36.01 | ls- | noice |
| 16:36.39 | ls- | it's time to explore the code and find new bugs :V |
| 16:36.57 | Semlar | what about this bug where i keep getting bracers out of my mythic cache every week |
| 16:37.15 | ls- | I'll prob find yet another client-crashing bug that's related to clipping, masking, whatever >_> |
| 16:37.34 | ls- | almost a tradition at this point... |
| 16:37.59 | ls- | Semlar, it's not a bug, it's a feature |
| 16:38.13 | nevcairiel | i specifically ordered that feature |
| 16:38.24 | ls- | and it's carefully crafted by RNGesus |
| 16:38.48 | Semlar | i don't like this feature |
| 16:40.25 | Semlar | well i'm sure it won't happen 3 times in a row |
| 16:42.16 | ls- | third time is the charm :P |
| 16:50.57 | znf | *laughs in bracers* |
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| 17:25.19 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/9hbnj4/tested_some_azerite_trait_scaling/ |
| 17:25.24 | znf | nice going game designers... |
| 17:25.31 | znf | azerite traits... |
| 17:28.39 | znf | or, rather, the scaling, but still :D |
| 17:41.47 | TSquare | Tercioo: I think there is a "nounload" attribute for textures |
| 17:42.32 | TSquare | I don't think it's used in our UI, so I'm not sure how well it works |
| 17:42.54 | TSquare | a cursory scan appears that it should |
| 17:43.21 | TSquare | also: no, we don't test with addons. That's your job :) |
| 17:43.55 | ls- | :D |
| 17:44.09 | Funkeh`` | haha |
| 17:44.19 | Funkeh`` | TSquare: where is that set in Lua? |
| 17:44.45 | ls- | texture:SetAttribute("nounload", true)? |
| 17:45.04 | nebula | <Texture nounload="true"/> :p |
| 17:45.20 | nebula | probably no lua function for it |
| 17:45.22 | ls- | or worse.... texture:SetAttribute("nounload", 1) |
| 17:45.30 | Tercioo | more info about this no-unload would be great |
| 17:46.02 | TSquare | ls-: no not that kind of attribute |
| 17:46.13 | foxlit | textures don't even have that kind of attributes. |
| 17:46.14 | ls- | just a wild guess :P |
| 17:46.19 | TSquare | looks like it's XML only. |
| 17:46.28 | Funkeh`` | why u do this |
| 17:47.10 | TSquare | I don't understand the aversion to XML, but whatevers |
| 17:47.43 | TSquare | I think we have a task to make sure all XML options have a lua counterpart |
| 17:47.48 | nebula | because it's harder to debug and you don't need it for 90% of things |
| 17:48.14 | Funkeh`` | and it doesn't work with libraries since you can't do versioning |
| 17:48.18 | TSquare | for small projects I guess that makes sense |
| 17:49.01 | TSquare | I will be getting an intern for next summer. This sounds like a good first task |
| 17:49.12 | nebula | yay interns |
| 17:49.17 | Funkeh`` | next summer ;_; |
| 17:49.48 | ls- | oh, while we're on the topic of xml-only stuff |
| 17:49.51 | ls- | oh, while we're on the topic of xml-only stuff, TSquare, any new regarding allowing us to set _attributes from lua? for instance, from inside the "initialConfigFunction"? |
| 17:50.12 | ls- | ugh... pressing enter too early sucks... |
| 17:50.19 | TSquare | I'm not sure I understand the request |
| 17:51.14 | ls- | k, there's a bunch of _attributes, e.g., _onleave, that can be set only from xml code: https://github.com/oUF-wow/oUF/blob/master/oUF.xml#L46 |
| 17:51.16 | nevcairiel | From secure code, you cannot set attributes that start with an underscore |
| 17:51.28 | nevcairiel | but it would be nice to have an exception for initialConfigFunction |
| 17:51.38 | ls- | yeah, cuz we're basically forced to use xml for this thing alone |
| 17:51.43 | nevcairiel | (for unit frames) |
| 17:51.43 | ls- | nevcairiel <3 |
| 17:53.46 | TSquare | I see. I'm not sure. |
| 17:54.07 | TSquare | I do know that secure frames are very delicately programmed. |
| 17:54.28 | TSquare | I'm generally very afraid to make any changes there, without a lot of thought from several people |
| 17:54.34 | nevcairiel | I think we already asked Dan about that, he probably put it on the mythical todo list somewhere |
| 17:54.48 | ls- | ^ |
| 17:54.48 | TSquare | I would hate to add something, just to remove it once an exploit was found |
| 17:55.30 | TSquare | to be honest: without a very strong compelling reason, I would rather not touch the secure system |
| 17:55.31 | ls- | yeah, we understand that, that's why we're asking to at least allow us to do it from inside initialConfigFunction, it's secure and controlled, supposedly :P |
| 17:55.57 | foxlit | ls-: just for fun, write a patch that you think would be appropriate for this. |
| 17:56.37 | ls- | bruh >_> I have too much patch-"fun" at work... >_> |
| 17:57.35 | foxlit | I just think that if you realized how inconvinient what you're proposing would be to implement, you might come up with an alternative that would require far less scrutiny. |
| 18:01.12 | Alram | strings are very broken in this 8.1 build |
| 18:01.19 | Alram | recommend not bothering until fix deployed |
| 18:01.32 | Alram | seems broken in a bunch of dbcs |
| 18:03.09 | Tercioo | <TSquare> an implementation of a general rule of always cache textures while in combat and unload them on leave if they are hidden can be a win for both sides |
| 18:03.36 | ls- | foxlit, ofc I know how inconvenient what we're asking to add is, but, imho, it's better to ask and get a "no" or "not yet" as an answer, than not ask at all... I mean, the same logic can be applied to any non-critical bug, why even report it, if it's not breaking that much, and it might be a pita to fix, even if it seems to be insignificant |
| 18:04.10 | Alram | https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/236179831346298881/492757651399245835/unknown.png?width=1243&height=699 feeling cheery |
| 18:04.12 | Alram | o game server |
| 18:09.34 | foxlit | ls-: I think there's a difference between reporting a problem you have and suggesting a specific fix for it. |
| 18:10.49 | foxlit | Alram: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr << :( |
| 18:11.04 | Alram | yeah that db is broken too |
| 18:11.11 | Alram | more than half are i think |
| 18:11.18 | Alram | the ones that arent might be by pure accident |
| 18:11.26 | Alram | string offsets are written incorrectly |
| 18:11.50 | Alram | i don't think this build went past QA at all and might have been pushed a bit too early |
| 18:12.00 | Alram | probably another one later or next week |
| 18:13.41 | Stanzilla | "guys, we said PTR this week, someone push something" |
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| 18:14.04 | nevcairiel | it being playable is irrelevant anyway, people are happy to get datamining :p |
| 18:14.43 | Alram | im not sure this can be called datamining |
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| 18:17.54 | foxlit | ls-: in particular, it might be far easier to fix your underlying issue ("I can't configure securehandler attributes on frames created by group/aura headers without using XML templates") by adding logic to SecureGroupHeader to make it copy your attributes from somewhere else. |
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| 18:26.24 | Resike | TSquare: Are the team aware of this game hangs bug which seems to happen when the game is trying to run a bigger load of data, which will sometimes make the game frezee. It's utterly annoying, happens with addons, loading screens etc. |
| 18:27.07 | foxlit | ls-: for example like this: https://ghostbin.com/paste/5u3fw |
| 18:27.16 | Funkeh`` | it's on one thread, if you try to do a large workload, it will hang. that's not an issue? |
| 18:27.39 | kd3 | break up the processing into smaller chunks, run each in subsequent onupdates? |
| 18:27.47 | Funkeh`` | idd |
| 18:28.13 | TSquare | Tercioo: I'm not sure of that in all cases. If someone opened the Achievements frame during combat, I would want to dump those textures asap |
| 18:29.01 | Resike | kd3: doesn't really help also happening with coroutines |
| 18:29.10 | TSquare | Resike: I don't believe I have not heard about this. Do you have more info about this? |
| 18:29.31 | Resike | You can reproduce a similar hang, that might be related: 1. Delete the "Cache", "Interface" and "WTF" folder. |
| 18:29.31 | Resike | 2. Start the game with the console command. |
| 18:29.31 | Resike | 3. Start extracting the interface art files (ExportInterfaceFiles art) |
| 18:29.32 | Resike | 4. Click a couple of times with your mouse randomly while it's running. |
| 18:29.32 | Resike | 5. The game hangs immediately. |
| 18:29.48 | nebula | that's an awful example |
| 18:29.52 | Funkeh`` | indeed |
| 18:30.02 | TSquare | I think that's OK to happen during the export |
| 18:30.25 | Resike | except it's only started happening since the 8.0.1 release |
| 18:30.31 | Funkeh`` | a better example would be how the game hangs for about 0.5s when opening a crafting menu, such as leatherworking |
| 18:30.40 | foxlit | er, no, exportinterfaceart always stopped rendering until it's finished. |
| 18:30.58 | Resike | this is not a hang, its a force close by windows due the game not responding |
| 18:31.04 | Funkeh`` | that certainly didn't happened pre 8.0 |
| 18:31.44 | Resike | and ift can randomly happen on loading screen, LOD addons, and bigger data chunk loads |
| 18:31.46 | foxlit | usually windows would display a "this application is not responding, do you want to kill it?" dialog. |
| 18:32.12 | Resike | yes but the game naver comes back 95% of the time |
| 18:32.16 | Funkeh`` | again, it's fine to happen when loading a LoD addon |
| 18:32.33 | Resike | Funkeh: You don't seems to understand this is not a hiccup hang |
| 18:32.41 | Resike | this is a game hangs and dies forever |
| 18:32.45 | Funkeh`` | then it's a problem on your system |
| 18:33.20 | Resike | clearly, thats why it happening for thousand of players on Windows 7-10 dx-11-12 and freshly installed system and game client |
| 18:33.20 | nebula | i mean, reproduce it with addons so we can tell you what you're doing wrong |
| 18:33.32 | Funkeh`` | i have lots of intensive tasks that can freeze the game for as long as 10 seconds, never had windows moan at me about it |
| 18:33.48 | foxlit | (windows only moans if you have queued user input for the window) |
| 18:34.03 | Funkeh`` | yeah i dont try to rapidly click the window whilst doing so |
| 18:34.06 | Resike | it's utterly hard to repruduce it with addons, thats why i gave this repro example |
| 18:34.56 | foxlit | I guess you were missing a 6. The art export doesn't finish after 30 minutes of waiting. |
| 18:35.18 | Resike | foxlit: the game somehow didn't died before 8.0.1 no matter how many inputs up queded up while something was running |
| 18:36.05 | Funkeh`` | then that's the problem report |
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| 18:38.32 | Resike | there are already report for this in the forum but somehow i douth tracerouting the users by a customer service guys will end up helping things |
| 18:38.33 | Resike | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769008417?page=1 |
| 18:38.42 | Resike | https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17622603370 |
| 18:39.08 | Resike | thats why i came here to actually deliver the issue for the QA |
| 18:41.07 | Funkeh`` | I'd suggesting formatting it better than your initial report |
| 18:41.36 | Funkeh`` | which sounded like you were complaining about it hanging, instead of windows force closing the game during a hang |
| 18:42.07 | Resike | none of this is my report |
| 18:46.28 | Resike | I know this export art is not the best way to reproduce this issue, but it's easy to do so, doesn't involve addons, and it might be a good starting point for the bigger issue |
| 18:47.31 | foxlit | just to clarify: if you don't tell windows to close wow during the export, does it eventually complete? |
| 18:51.38 | Resike | it does for the extraction, but if it happens ingame due to other things that never comes back |
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| 18:53.06 | Resike | and since it never creates a crash dump, blizzard probably doesn't even know about it |
| 18:58.15 | Funkeh` | PTR now copies from live when you install it? What is this magic |
| 18:58.47 | Thunder_Child | I think someone said it goes the other way as well. |
| 18:59.21 | Funkeh` | What next, sharing the data on disk and using deltas for the PTR? |
| 19:00.37 | kd3 | that'd be nice. I had to buy an external disk for the bfa alpha |
| 19:02.34 | Resike | Also while we're the crashing/freezing, calling SetGuildRecruitmentComment with nil argument instantly crashes the game |
| 19:03.39 | Funkeh` | Sounds like something suitable for team TSquare |
| 19:09.01 | znf | So, why do the game designers hate on people using flasks/potions all around? |
| 19:09.21 | znf | They've increased the mats so fucking much |
| 19:14.39 | znf | https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/september/KaelThasFire.jpg |
| 19:14.42 | znf | what is wrong with his face? |
| 19:15.37 | VIad | znf: he is very happy |
| 19:33.09 | Gnarfoz | znf: he has always looked that way https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/e/ea/Bloodmagesamwise.jpg https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/5/59/KaelWar3.jpg https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/0/0f/Tempest_Keep_Wallpaper.jpg |
| 19:34.16 | znf | the 1st and 2nd do not look like that |
| 19:34.19 | znf | but yes on the 3rd lol |
| 19:49.35 | znf | Time to try to get into M+ pugs |
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| 19:49.53 | znf | ie: click a button and wait for 5 minutes each time to get denied |
| 19:50.46 | znf | PGF should have an option for "ignore cancer dungeons this week" |
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| 20:28.37 | znf | Heh. I joined a AD+6, they were talking about me before I clicked accept, I guess, about shadow being bad |
| 20:28.45 | znf | still beat their mage by miles ahead \o/ |
| 20:37.12 | nevcairiel | man teeming in the bfa dungeons is a nightmare |
| 20:42.40 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:42.59 | Stanzilla | together with fortifiedd even more :D |
| 20:43.08 | nevcairiel | they are evil and awlays have those together |
| 20:43.21 | nevcairiel | wiped ourselves through a 10, i think i 'm done for the week : p |
| 20:53.29 | Simca | yeah i really hope they change the teeming dungeons |
| 20:53.39 | Simca | as it is right now, they're doable, but they're just not any fun |
| 20:55.08 | nevcairiel | we did atal 9 and tol dagor 10, atal was ok when you CC (luckily we had a priest for undead CC on the right side) and go the safe route, but tol dagor is just terrible |
| 20:56.58 | nevcairiel | .. we briefly tried one pack on the left side of atal, but those groups are absolutely impossible |
| 20:57.17 | Stanzilla | we did kings rest 9 and I wanted to kill myself |
| 20:57.27 | Simca | the level of trash being turned up to 11 in an expansion that already had a ridiculous amount of dungeon trash is just not fun. |
| 20:57.32 | nevcairiel | i here there is even two zul shadows at the end |
| 20:57.35 | nevcairiel | that must be hell on earth |
| 20:57.40 | Stanzilla | na |
| 20:57.41 | Stanzilla | only one |
| 20:57.46 | nevcairiel | then s omeone lied |
| 20:57.48 | Stanzilla | but the brute groups have 2 |
| 20:57.56 | Stanzilla | and the lazer constructs groups have two as well |
| 20:58.09 | Stanzilla | and they scissor you |
| 20:58.13 | Simca | both of those aren't super problematic, more berserkers would suck |
| 20:58.31 | nevcairiel | Simca: yeah that affix is generally no fun, the way i see it they could either reduce the baseline trash or replace the affix - i would go for the second one really |
| 20:58.32 | Stanzilla | okay tell that to our two meleedps group |
| 20:58.34 | nevcairiel | its just no fun |
| 20:58.37 | Stanzilla | trying to kill 2 brutes |
| 20:58.42 | Stanzilla | that do the aoe you have to run out of |
| 20:59.13 | Simca | hahahaha, reminds me of that double pull in HoV with the lightning circle dudes |
| 20:59.17 | Simca | except more frequent |
| 20:59.33 | nevcairiel | at least places like HoV had like one or two insane pulls on teeming only |
| 20:59.37 | nevcairiel | not like every o ne |
| 21:01.22 | nevcairiel | Tol Dagor would probably be even worse if you cant unlock doors |
| 21:01.36 | nevcairiel | because there were some particularly terrible groups we evaded that way |
| 21:03.52 | nevcairiel | also it is just me, or does tank resilience somehow scale worse then in legion? I feel kinda squishy, compared to the damage we can do, that didnt use to be like that |
| 21:04.46 | nevcairiel | (on that note, they havent once touched tank performance in one class tuning patch ever since bfa launch) |
| 21:20.35 | foxlit | nevcairiel: also it is just me, or does tank resilience somehow scale worse then in legion? << I think this is intention, but I'm not sure if "scaling" is the right term here. |
| 21:21.19 | foxlit | there were some vague noises about adjusting mitigation behaves against higher tier content. |
| 21:22.22 | foxlit | (my impression was that you'd need more armor/dodge/etc for the same amount of damage mitigation against higher "level" enemies) |
| 21:22.49 | nevcairiel | yeah i read that |
| 21:23.10 | nevcairiel | but the theory was that this should just reign in armor scaling over different tiers |
| 21:23.20 | nevcairiel | not within difficulty levels in the same tier |
| 21:24.00 | nevcairiel | For M+ I would expect to replace tier with season |
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| 21:29.13 | nevcairiel | i could theoretically pay attention to the armor reduction percentages between different m+ levels, i even have a WA already so i can judge the impact of ironfur, but since I'm so far from capping armor at this time, I barely ever looked at it |
| 21:30.09 | foxlit | Do you trust that tooltip? |
| 21:31.13 | nevcairiel | they have an api that gives you the "armor reduction against the current target", which does change depending on what you t arget |
| 21:31.21 | nevcairiel | so one might assume it does that |
| 21:36.52 | foxlit | Yeah, that's used to populate the armor tooltip in character stats. I feel like it has a good chance of turning out to be some obscure corner of the ui/game system interaction that easily gets out of sync between updates and that nobody really ever tests. |
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| 22:08.47 | Simca | ptr build is horribly broken btw, i would not put good money on PTR being up this week |
| 22:09.52 | Simca | something is very wrong with their data exporter and most of the game's data files are not readable. trying to extract interface files even will crash the client i think |
| 22:10.56 | Stanzilla | https://i.imgur.com/dKjB7eZ.png |
| 22:11.36 | Stanzilla | because why should tanking be less of a garbage experience than playing dps |
| 22:13.46 | Simca | well, skittish is going to be fucking terrible now |
| 22:14.03 | Simca | spamming taunt was the only thing that made it tolerable |
| 22:16.54 | nevcairiel | skittish was ok the way it was, a noticeable threat worry over normal, but the boost from taunt was absolutely needed |
| 22:19.12 | foxlit | look at all those fancy demon hunters with enough active abilities to push threat in those 3 seconds. |
| 22:20.57 | foxlit | You know what they need? a 6 second cooldown on everything. |
| 22:21.51 | znf | The guy who added another golem on the bridge after you leave the dead-king room with teeming should be slapped |
| 22:21.56 | znf | not for adding a 2nd golem |
| 22:22.14 | znf | but for making the 2nd one do the beam-rotation the opposite direction >_< |
| 22:23.22 | nevcairiel | gotta think on your feet |
| 22:24.20 | znf | also that guy who spawns so many fucking skeletons :-| |
| 22:24.43 | znf | plus the "fun" room before at 2nd boss, because I didn't have enough hard time to cast anything, now I run around like an idiot |
| 22:32.10 | Stanzilla | =D |
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| 23:38.15 | znf | basically https://i.imgur.com/hMru0LB.png |
| 23:40.59 | Simca | lol |
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| 23:41.26 | Simca | you think you're going to find a 360 tank with exactly a shrine 8 key |
| 23:41.36 | Simca | ironically, i meet both those criteria |
| 23:41.43 | Simca | but it's still funny |
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