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| 12:51.26 | znf | ah, neat, CoA emissary today, that means I'm getting exalted with that too, so I can ignore this soon |
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| 13:23.50 | znf | That Fertilizer quest in Voldun is pretty much making the game worse for everyone right now. People are at each other's throats for "stealing the poop", literally |
| 14:18.11 | Fisker | That's the joke.jpg |
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| 16:39.18 | Ssateneth | its not a new wow expac unless theres a few poop quests too. |
| 16:43.38 | Ssateneth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nFu3sWdcLg never forget |
| 16:44.48 | Ssateneth | "Owooohoohohohohooh.... OHHuhuh!" |
| 16:44.57 | Ssateneth | XDDDDDDD |
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| 18:43.55 | Gnarfoz | [06:50:04] <Mr_Rabies> better to be able to see it immediately and i don't have to either pay them or use a shady-ass app to use it <-- if AMR's simulator is "shady", then so is SimCraft :D |
| 18:44.13 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, i just use raidbots now |
| 18:44.15 | Gnarfoz | (also, they do offer Pawn strings, regardless of Pawn's limitations) |
| 18:44.25 | Gnarfoz | that's just Simcraft In The Cloud (tm) |
| 18:45.28 | Mr_Rabies | i'm kind of afraid of apps that interact with wow while it's running nowdays |
| 18:45.33 | Gnarfoz | (and AMR without using the client is also "AMR in the cloud" (namely, Azure) - except that they use a regular subscription model instead of Patreon to stay afloat) |
| 18:45.36 | Mr_Rabies | since blizzard is/was banning for things like shadowplay |
| 18:45.37 | Gnarfoz | it does no such t hing |
| 18:45.41 | Gnarfoz | so wtf are you smoking |
| 18:46.25 | Mr_Rabies | it used to require you to run the updater and stuff and the helper addon, it definitely used to do some stuff with the wow folder while the game was running |
| 18:46.31 | Gnarfoz | ... wat |
| 18:46.33 | Gnarfoz | nonsense. |
| 18:46.36 | Gnarfoz | are you thinking of TSM? |
| 18:46.36 | Mr_Rabies | if it doesn't any more it might be worth looking at, but |
| 18:46.43 | Mr_Rabies | nah, it was like TSM though |
| 18:46.45 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 18:46.48 | Gnarfoz | because there's no reason to |
| 18:46.57 | Gnarfoz | the client also doesn't update the addon |
| 18:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | this was during the heyday of reforging |
| 18:47.57 | Gnarfoz | the addon exists to export your gear to the website (to go around the armory, also this allows to include inventory+bank), and to import the result into the game (which is an optional step); the client is exclusively for simulations |
| 18:49.00 | Mr_Rabies | they've definitely changed some stuff, since all the calculation was done on the website, but you needed the app to upload your profile to the site or something |
| 18:49.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's been a while but i definitely didn't care for how they did it back then, i figured it was much of the same now |
| 18:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise it pulled from the armory which tended to be less accurate |
| 18:49.36 | Gnarfoz | you *could* use the addon to be able to use best in bags (since the armory doesn't provide inventory), but you never needed the client for that |
| 18:49.43 | Gnarfoz | (fwiw, raidbots starts at 3$/month, AMR is 1$/month *shrug*) |
| 18:50.09 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, regardless of who remembers correctly (if such a thing is possible), it's certainly not doing anything like that now (or for the entirety of WoD or Legion) |
| 18:51.43 | Mr_Rabies | but raidbots offers best in bags for free, etc |
| 18:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | you can do a lot more with it for free |
| 18:54.12 | Gnarfoz | I'm not here to make you switch =D |
| 18:54.26 | Gnarfoz | just to dispel weird FUD ;) |
| 18:54.46 | Mr_Rabies | they certainly felt a lot less accurate to what i was seeing as feral when i tried them in legion |
| 18:55.06 | Gnarfoz | how did you measure that perceived accuracy? |
| 18:55.24 | Mr_Rabies | comparing dps numbers, i was always way lower in AMR than reality |
| 18:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | and i'd be a bit higher in raidbots often, but not nearly as much |
| 18:55.43 | Gnarfoz | but you managed to meet SimC's entirely theoretical numbers? |
| 18:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | much closer than AMR's were, at least |
| 18:56.48 | Gnarfoz | I guess you're prepared to fight "fluffy pillow" and "hecticaddcleave" then, whenever those appear in the game /s |
| 18:57.28 | Gnarfoz | (AMR tries to model actual boss fights, not invent generic scenarios - maybe that's also why numbers are not transferable from boss to boss?) |
| 18:57.56 | Gnarfoz | stops trying to convince someone to use vim instead of emacs |
| 18:59.14 | Thunder_Child | Why would you ever try in the fist place? |
| 18:59.17 | Thunder_Child | first* |
| 18:59.46 | Gnarfoz | a question as old as civilization |
| 19:01.34 | Constie | Once you try vim, you never quit. And some people don't even want to! |
| 19:04.53 | Constie | It's a joke about the command to close the program being hard to find for new users, you see. |
| 19:19.50 | Gnarfoz | it's not that nobody got it |
| 19:20.32 | Gnarfoz | it's that everybody got it and has heard it at least once a month since 1976 |
| 19:20.40 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:24.52 | znf | I tried raidbots' "best in bags" shit |
| 19:24.54 | znf | it was horrible |
| 19:25.31 | znf | clunky as fuck |
| 19:25.37 | znf | I'll stick to my free AMR premium |
| 19:25.51 | Gnarfoz | Azure credits paid for it! :D |
| 19:26.39 | znf | guess so |
| 19:27.41 | znf | I think I only paid for it for 1 year |
| 19:28.59 | znf | I remember the first time I tried to pay, zoop gave it to me for free, can't remember why (probably because I provided a lot of feedback), then the next year their payment processor bugged, so I got it for free again (technically they refunded me), then I paid for one year out of my pocket (oh, wow, $10...), then glonet credit |
| 19:29.06 | znf | Next Bill Date |
| 19:29.07 | znf | 12/31/2021 |
| 19:32.19 | Primer | still not clear how conq cap works. I had a bar 0/500, did that and got a 345 MH dagger, now there's a 0/500 bar again for the same weapon. Guessing for some classes that's 0/1000 for a 2H weapon? |
| 19:39.11 | sylvanaar | q!!!!! |
| 19:42.36 | Gnarfoz | hello sylvanaar's cat |
| 19:45.48 | Thunder_Child | A cat that can use vim is just one step closer to taking over the world. |
| 19:46.14 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 19:47.01 | sylvanaar | my cat likes avacado toast and vim |
| 19:51.31 | sylvanaar | who here uses vs code? |
| 19:51.52 | sylvanaar | or I guess atom |
| 19:51.55 | sylvanaar | rip |
| 19:54.33 | Thunder_Child | I use code. |
| 19:58.15 | sylvanaar | have you used the extension jumpy? |
| 19:58.21 | sylvanaar | i love it |
| 19:59.53 | sylvanaar | https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=wmaurer.vscode-jumpy |
| 20:11.54 | Thunder_Child | Nope. |
| 20:32.51 | znf | that moment when you get removed from a Zul group because you didn't pad your meter with aoe-ing the crags... |
| 20:32.57 | znf | and you're #3 on damage on him |
| 20:38.59 | Gnarfoz | how is killing adds that need to die padding |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | (granted, they're the lowest priority of the 3 add types, they should die before they explode regardless) |
| 20:49.42 | znf | Gnarfoz, on HC they die from melee cleaves |
| 20:50.11 | Gnarfoz | so... melees are padding by AoEing |
| 20:50.11 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 20:50.15 | nevcairiel | they are sort of annoying if they stick to the tank for too long, because then they get dragged out to the big guy and may end up being buffed |
| 20:50.55 | nevcairiel | in any case, what the raid leader says goes |
| 20:51.10 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. you can AoE, and you should, so... that's probably what they thought when they kicked you. Also, you probably told them they're stupid or other nice things. :D) |
| 20:51.18 | nevcairiel | DPS trying to be smarter then everyone else is usually the reason why shit goes bad |
| 20:51.44 | Gnarfoz | don't shadow priests usually complain when there's nothing to multi DoT :D |
| 20:52.08 | znf | the crags die almost instantly, no point in going out of your way to pad |
| 20:52.23 | znf | also, the dots don't have time to tick |
| 20:52.35 | Gnarfoz | again, that's literally the opposite of the definition of padding |
| 20:52.46 | Gnarfoz | ok, do you even have non-DoT AoE |
| 20:53.06 | znf | that would cost me damage on the boss :P |
| 20:53.14 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 20:53.20 | Gnarfoz | so, they were right to kick you |
| 20:53.20 | znf | plus, most people are doing the whole "burn zul down asap" on heroic... |
| 20:53.24 | nevcairiel | additionally, there is an argument to make that if one of the currently worst DPS specs is #3 on the boss in a mostly add-centric fight, they might have done s omething wrong |
| 20:53.28 | Gnarfoz | because you'd rather do what you think is right than what they wanted you to do |
| 20:53.40 | znf | Gnarfoz, have you done Zul? |
| 20:53.41 | znf | on HC? |
| 20:53.42 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 20:53.43 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 20:53.56 | Gnarfoz | how is it different, you make it sound like the crawgs have even less HP |
| 20:54.27 | znf | Ok, so - there is a strategy that you don't focus adds, but instead of you BL and burn Zul down to 40% ASAP |
| 20:54.33 | Gnarfoz | (also, what kind of "cleave" are you thinking of? I only play paladin, but we certainly don't have "cleave". we either AoE or ST, there is no middle ground. so, it would cost us your precious "boss dps" as well) |
| 20:54.34 | nevcairiel | it makes no difference what everyone else does or whatever, if you're in someone elses raids, you play their strat |
| 20:54.34 | znf | the adds just melt during that, they're irrelevant |
| 20:54.40 | nevcairiel | you can recommend another strat if you want to |
| 20:54.48 | nevcairiel | but when the fight starts, you do what the leader wants |
| 20:54.53 | nevcairiel | otherwise you deserve to be kicked |
| 20:55.15 | Gnarfoz | you could contribute to the melting, apparently (by doing AoE instead of single target) |
| 20:55.28 | Gnarfoz | I wasn't there, so whatever |
| 20:55.44 | Gnarfoz | I just know this argument from my own raiders, so... yeah |
| 20:59.50 | nevcairiel | I'm sure in a full random PUG there is as many strategy ideas as people, if everyone would just do their favorite strat, then nothing would get done, thats why leaders exist. Also its the first week, there is no major default strat that everyone does, because most people are in there the first time =p |
| 21:00.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it does sound like they were actually playing that strat, which would make the complaint from the raid lead questionable... did the adds die in time? yes? then there was enough AoE after all. :P |
| 21:00.51 | znf | the thing was - it was literally the first pull :P |
| 21:03.20 | znf | and I was going to leave after a 2nd pull anyway, seeing that they refused to use voice comms for Zul, and the leader didn't really knew what he was doing, but oh well |
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| 21:41.35 | jaxdahl | i have an user reporting this error: Message: ...lizzard_MapCanvas\MapCanvas_ScrollContainerMixin.lua:668: attempt to index field 'zoomLevels' (a nil value) |
| 21:41.39 | jaxdahl | when this line is run: WorldMapFrame:GetCanvasZoomPercent() |
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| 21:45.35 | znf | jaxdahl, works fine here for me |
| 21:45.51 | jaxdahl | figured it out. |
| 21:47.08 | jaxdahl | function doesn't work if the world map frame hasn't been brought up yet, but not sure how to check that the function is safe to run |
| 21:51.33 | jaxdahl | also is there some way to fiddle with my project name so that searching for 'paku' will find it as well as "pa'ku"? |
| 21:53.28 | nevcairiel | you can check if the map points to a valid zone |
| 21:53.36 | nevcairiel | which means it was initialized |
| 22:06.49 | jaxdahl | ok thanks |
| 22:48.24 | Primer | WTB Prat making the last thing I wrote be what comes up when I hit enter followed by up arrow |
| 23:06.06 | Simca_ | why would you want that as default behavior |
| 23:06.27 | Simca_ | you'd have to backspace everything you last typed every time you wanted to type something new |
| 23:06.57 | nebula | you normally press the up arrow when you want to type something new? |
| 23:07.06 | Simca_ | unless you spam into chat about 10 times more often than actually talking then that would be hugely inefficient |
| 23:07.30 | Primer | I normally hit the up arrow when I want the last thing I wrote, which is me barking in /2 for DMF cards, to repeat |
| 23:07.47 | Simca_ | oh, do you use different chat tabs |
| 23:07.52 | nebula | Prat for some reason messes up the history, so prettying up/down usually results in something unexpected |
| 23:08.01 | Simca_ | i've noticed each chat tab has its own history |
| 23:08.03 | nebula | /prettying/pressing/ |
| 23:08.10 | Primer | I do |
| 23:09.05 | Primer | Enter, up arrow, something I wrote many lines ago appears |
| 23:17.51 | Primer | I can go through the entire list of what I've written and the last thing I wrote is never there |
| 23:17.58 | Primer | yet, it'll show up eventually |
| 23:18.39 | Primer | I've resorted to copying the text and just pasting it every time |