| 00:07.42 | Gnarfoz | AMR can do it easily as well https://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/e63cc2bd7d0246ba9c64f9b890c91aa4 |
| 00:08.04 | Gnarfoz | https://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator (requires the simulator client, though) |
| 00:08.47 | Gnarfoz | :S how do I leave a pvp queue if I only have an LDB thing for that? apparently, not at all? |
| 00:09.05 | Gnarfoz | guess I need to disable it xD |
| 00:28.57 | s_e | You can never leave the PVP queue. |
| 00:33.52 | Ammako | https://i.imgur.com/mNw0ErP.png |
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| 00:45.25 | s_e | disabling Elv while in game is.. not a good idea |
| 00:46.02 | s_e | I just lost all keyboard functionality in the client apart from alt-F4 :Z |
| 00:47.40 | znf | using ElvUI is generally a bad idea |
| 00:47.59 | s_e | It is? |
| 00:58.03 | s_e | Tell me more... |
| 00:58.35 | s_e | I enjoy overcomplex minimalism change my mind. |
| 00:58.44 | znf | author is a dick |
| 00:58.51 | s_e | ah that's fair |
| 00:59.11 | s_e | how so just out of interest? |
| 00:59.22 | znf | long history |
| 00:59.29 | znf | guess nobody remember when he left a backdoor in ElvUI |
| 00:59.47 | s_e | I probably wasn't around for it |
| 01:00.16 | Ammako | People remember, but they just don't care for some reason |
| 01:01.01 | s_e | Hmm, I'll look for a replacement, don't want none of that noise |
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| 01:45.59 | znf | Is there a /slash command for voice chat? |
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| 02:14.50 | nebula | to open the panel? other than /run ToggleChannelFrame() no |
| 02:15.28 | nebula | the bind for it is "Toggle Chat Pane" |
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| 04:00.40 | Kemayo | znf: You shouldn't have to reopen the frame -- the sell-all button will refresh itself a half second or so after it's done trying to sell, and you can just press that again. |
| 04:00.57 | Kemayo | That said, Torhal is right, I could sniff for failure and re-attempt the sale. |
| 04:01.33 | znf | doesn't really work when the vendors are lagging like hell |
| 04:01.50 | Kemayo | It's an area where I've been lazy because I'm worried that I might try to be too smart, and wind up with a bug that randomly drops whatever's in a particular bag slot in 30 minutes. :-P |
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| 04:27.59 | znf | After EU server restarts, the progress on the arathi thing is higher |
| 04:28.12 | znf | it was ~23-25% |
| 04:28.15 | znf | now it's 41% |
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| 04:45.47 | kd3|hate`net | almost like progress is automatic or something and the turn-ins are just a resource sink |
| 05:06.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing turn ins can influence it somewhat but it's definitely on a timer for a maximum time before transfer |
| 05:06.56 | Mr_Rabies | guess we'll see if there's any disparity in the next transfer of control |
| 05:17.01 | Elmoe | znf: in fairness, I'm not sure the current maintainer was even involved in that fiasco which was a while back now |
| 05:17.13 | Elmoe | znf: Elv hasn't played or maintained that add-on in a long time afaik |
| 05:18.35 | kd3|hate`net | wha, BackdoorEnabledUI? |
| 05:19.14 | Elmoe | kd3|hate`net: it was pretty ridiculous, google around and I'm sure you'll find the threads on it |
| 05:19.25 | kd3|hate`net | oh, I'm aware. I was there for it |
| 05:20.07 | AcidWeb | ElvUI is best thing that happen for a regular WoW player who want to highly customize his UI. |
| 05:20.09 | Elmoe | I had the experience of actually being officers in the same guild with Elv at one point, so I formed my own opinion long before the backdoor incident heh |
| 05:20.37 | AcidWeb | That backdoor stuff is blown way out proportion. |
| 05:21.10 | Elmoe | trust is difficult to earn and quickly spent |
| 05:21.13 | kd3|hate`net | still wildly inappropriate and should never have happened |
| 05:21.52 | AcidWeb | Yep he should debug his stuff differently. |
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| 07:31.32 | Torhal | foxlit: Is OPie unaware of Zandalar and Kul Tiras? I added [in:zandalar, outdoors][in:kul tiras, outdoors] to my Flightmaster's Whistle and it isn't working. |
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| 09:00.00 | Torhal | Simca_: Are you on Malfurion, or was I just grouped with a completely different Simca? |
| 09:00.54 | Simca_ | i'm on malfurion |
| 09:01.04 | Torhal | Brgl-Lrgl |
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| 10:58.40 | Semlar | how do you check if you're in a mythic+, it's one of the instance difficulty numbers? |
| 11:10.44 | nebula | yes, it's 8 iirc |
| 11:22.03 | znf | kd3|hate`net: yeah, I suspect the turn-ins have like almost no weight on the progress |
| 11:22.09 | znf | Placebo :P |
| 11:27.15 | Shooter | Is there any way to check which faction controls arathi without being in that zone? While in zone I can either GetZonePVPInfo or check active buffs, but outside of it? |
| 11:36.43 | znf | I'm guessing you could check your faction's progress |
| 11:36.50 | znf | which seems to be available from anywhere, even inside an instance |
| 11:37.44 | znf | oh, another 700g emissary quest :-/ |
| 12:05.03 | Shooter | Thanks, C_ContributionCollector does seem like a good point to start |
| 12:47.44 | znf | so, twitch added "bits"? |
| 12:48.32 | znf | which sound eerly familiar with "tokens" on websites like chaturbate & co, seeing that twitch gets a huge cut :D |
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| 12:55.22 | znf | 47% contributed *sigh* |
| 13:01.09 | VIad | I assume C_ContributionCollector also shows data for the broken shore buildings? :P |
| 13:01.25 | VIad | now if they only added for wintergrasp... |
| 13:05.55 | znf | can I ask why is wintergrasp still relevant? |
| 13:32.28 | nevcairiel | bits existed forever now znf |
| 13:32.56 | znf | did they? |
| 13:33.28 | znf | I just recently noticed them, clicked some guys' stream |
| 13:38.24 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.29 | nevcairiel | way many payment venues |
| 13:43.55 | Shooter | Vlad, correct, broken shore buidlings can be checked using C_Contrib system. First four entries. |
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| 14:00.46 | znf | ...when your Goblin Glider deploys AFTER you take fall damage >_< |
| 14:15.07 | tz | when your gnomish gravity well goes off after you faceplant and die |
| 14:26.52 | Infus | TheDanW: good luck to you and thanks |
| 14:28.25 | Infus | TheDanW: and I think it's important to have someone from the ui team available. |
| 14:29.36 | Infus | TheDanW: and lastly, did anything come out of the investigation on the strange issue with anchoring/parenting I had a few weeks ago? |
| 14:55.31 | foxlit | Torhal: right, there are no in tokens for those zones in the current version. |
| 14:56.33 | foxlit | (it might also be nice to have a single name for all six zones, but that seems geographically inconvinient) |
| 15:04.50 | foxlit | so there's an (unrelated) ancient bug in OPie that concerns how it handles the following problem: given a list of bindings (e.g. ALT-SHIFT-X, CTRL-X, ALT-CTRL-X, SHIFT-X), and a list of active modifier keys (e.g. CTRL and SHIFT), output which binding would trigger when you press X while holding those modifier keys. |
| 15:09.59 | foxlit | (or, in a slightly easier version, given a list of modifiers and a binding, output whether the binding would trigger if you pressed its key while holding those modifier keys) |
| 15:11.57 | foxlit | it seems like the correct answer here is to loop over the modifiers in the binding and check whether each one is active, but that just seems so verbose. |
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| 15:33.45 | bluspacecow | #thatmomentwhen you haven't done any PVP content for so long you have to wowpedia what PVP flagged looks like |
| 15:42.49 | Thunder_Child | It looks like suprise corpse. |
| 15:43.44 | bluspacecow | its that little shield thingy on your potrait right |
| 15:46.12 | Thunder_Child | It was the last time I played. |
| 15:59.09 | Gnarfoz | it's when you typed /pvp :D |
| 16:05.39 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 16:08.50 | bluspacecow | me: dps the adds |
| 16:09.00 | bluspacecow | me: which are dead |
| 16:09.10 | bluspacecow | maybe they're not so dead (also me) |
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| 16:13.59 | VIad | is this a screenshot right before a wipe or a kill? https://i.imgur.com/MXqDIYD.png |
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| 16:23.25 | Gnarfoz | depends on how unreadable your raid frame setup is |
| 16:23.34 | Gnarfoz | (pretty unreadable) |
| 16:24.02 | Gnarfoz | is that out of range? dead? missing hp? who knows |
| 16:25.18 | VIad | color = hp, no color/black = no life |
| 16:28.57 | znf | Fucking. Auction. House. |
| 16:29.03 | VIad | znf: what now? |
| 16:29.10 | znf | Piece of shit slow ass system |
| 16:29.16 | znf | Been trying to buy potions |
| 16:29.34 | znf | These asswipes post stacks of 1 |
| 16:29.39 | znf | and I get a timeout |
| 16:34.51 | nevcairiel | Let the auctions timeout and have them pay the fee |
| 16:35.03 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/ioCpxrW.png keep in mind I spammed the buy button https://i.imgur.com/ioCpxrW.png |
| 16:35.04 | znf | erm |
| 16:35.08 | znf | see the server delay :P |
| 16:35.44 | znf | reloaded ui |
| 16:35.45 | znf | kept getting shit |
| 16:36.19 | znf | alt+f4'd the game |
| 16:36.24 | znf | "a character with that name already exists" |
| 16:37.47 | VIad | when you buy you are in a transaction and server wont let you do much until its processed |
| 16:37.50 | VIad | hence why you "lag" |
| 16:37.57 | VIad | spell casts dont work for example :p |
| 16:38.06 | VIad | so makes sense if you altf4 it keeps you in that state until done |
| 16:38.17 | VIad | hence you are already ingame engaged with the AH |
| 16:42.30 | znf | I know, but still ridiculous :( |
| 16:43.28 | VIad | just don't spam the button :D |
| 16:43.34 | VIad | or just stay in game |
| 16:47.44 | VIad | you guys got any tips how to leave a shard that lags heavily? |
| 16:47.52 | VIad | my client says 20/20 ms but ingame its HUGE delays |
| 16:48.02 | VIad | like fel rush > wait 2 seconds > felrushes |
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| 17:00.53 | Semlar | you can theoretically ip block the shard you're on, but i'm not sure how you'd figure it out |
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| 17:03.21 | VIad | xD |
| 17:03.47 | VIad | those should never even exist |
| 17:03.52 | VIad | it's so bad |
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| 17:38.05 | bluspacecow | netstat -an ? |
| 17:39.57 | znf | So, it doesn't matter if you complete a high level m+ key in timp for the chest, yes? |
| 17:40.06 | znf | s/timp/time// |
| 17:44.03 | TheDanW | Infus: thanks, i didn't get time to look at it, will pass it on |
| 17:44.48 | Infus | TheDanW: well, it would be great if we got feedback on any fixes... |
| 17:51.13 | Gnarfoz | znf: as in Legion, you only need to complete it. not in time. |
| 17:51.35 | znf | cool, what's max level for this week? |
| 17:56.34 | Infus | 10 |
| 18:03.40 | znf | Infus, and that's 385? |
| 18:04.04 | Infus | depends on what exactly you are looking at, see https://mythicpl.us/ |
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| 18:35.39 | znf | Infus, azerite/max gear from +10 chest at the end of the week |
| 18:35.42 | znf | that's what I was looking at :) |
| 18:35.47 | foxlit | "Skittish - Tanks generate 75% less threat." either the website needs an update, or next week is going to be insane. |
| 18:38.20 | foxlit | or maybe the wording is misleading. Point is, if it really divided tank threat generation by 4, I don't think tanks would be able to keep mobs off anyone but the healer. |
| 18:46.33 | Gnarfoz | it has never worked like that anyway |
| 18:46.37 | Gnarfoz | so it's anyone's guess |
| 18:47.41 | foxlit | legion is sufficiently far away that I can no longer remember if dividing by 4 was reasonble there. |
| 18:51.22 | znf | I wish PremadeGroupsFilter could remember all my unselected options |
| 18:55.57 | znf | Has anyone figured out yet which item is best to craft for Expulsom? (which slot) |
| 18:56.16 | znf | Simca_, ^ |
| 18:58.07 | Stanzilla | bracers |
| 19:04.07 | znf | that's the cheapest, yes, but is it the best ratio? |
| 19:04.51 | znf | or not enough stats yet |
| 19:05.25 | znf | I need 8 more Expulsom to craft pants :-S |
| 19:14.02 | s_e | @znf yeah the AH is grinding to a halt at the moment on my realm |
| 19:14.33 | s_e | game is at highest sub numbers in a long time so I guess they're failing to keep up with the pressure |
| 19:15.05 | kd3 | something something 86 pages of single-stack auctions for ~50 different resources |
| 19:15.13 | s_e | I think I read something saying threat boosting was down from 600% to 350% |
| 19:15.18 | s_e | for tank specs |
| 19:15.47 | s_e | how that translates to experience I have no idea |
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| 19:16.27 | foxlit | single target dps now pulls threat from aoe'ing tanks, but that's more or less it. |
| 19:16.31 | s_e | I know tanking dungeons on my prot warrior is less facerolly now, actually have to rotate targets a bit |
| 19:16.34 | s_e | yes |
| 19:16.38 | s_e | that's my experience |
| 19:17.16 | s_e | but I mean how it will translate to big dps nuking raid encounters I don't know |
| 19:17.23 | s_e | could get interesting again |
| 19:18.06 | s_e | on warriors rage gen is now fixed per hit, rather than scaling on damage I think |
| 19:18.29 | s_e | was just thinking about Patchwerk |
| 19:18.37 | s_e | and how threat vs nuking worked there |
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| 20:25.38 | znf | Simca, https://www.wowhead.com/item=158887/monelite-reinforced-chassis#reagent-for is this actually in the game? |
| 20:50.18 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: are you in the camp that believe skittish had random threat loss now or what? :D |
| 20:50.58 | nevcairiel | It definitely was a flat reduction, if it was 75%, might as well have been |
| 20:52.13 | nevcairiel | The percentage was not in the in-game tooltip |
| 20:52.57 | Gnarfoz | I more than often enough lost aggro on targets I had been tanking for 10s or so, being far at the top of the threat table, so, yes |
| 20:53.16 | Gnarfoz | maybe that was on top of a flat reduction, I don't know |
| 20:54.08 | nevcairiel | There is no conclusive evidence that it did anything but a flat reduction |
| 20:55.27 | Gnarfoz | I only have my own anecdotal evidence, and the affix itself just says "pay less antention to threat" (https://www.wowhead.com/affix=2/skittish) |
| 20:57.29 | nevcairiel | Which could easily mean a flat reduction |
| 20:57.42 | nevcairiel | Did you often use misdirect? |
| 20:59.09 | nevcairiel | Because misdirected threat used to drop off after about 10s |
| 20:59.16 | nevcairiel | Not sure if it still does |
| 20:59.27 | nevcairiel | They removed that from the tooltip in 8.0 |
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| 21:07.58 | Gnarfoz | mh, from time to time, not all the time; I guess I have yet another addon to analyse it :D |
| 21:56.51 | foxlit | back in my day, flat meant constant. |
| 21:58.00 | foxlit | none of this fancy percentage stuff. |
| 22:01.54 | foxlit | that wowhead comment suggests it was dividing your theat by 5 prior to 7.2, and by 4 since 7.2. The other semi-reasonable interpretation is that it reduced your threat multiplier by 75% (e.g. from generating 650% of damage dealt as threat to 575%), but that really doesn't seem dramatic enough for the annoyance that affix caused in Legion. |
| 22:03.28 | nevcairiel | 75% and 80% are the numbers I know, and not onto the bonus threat, but the oveall threat, so that comes out to /5 or /4 respectively |
| 22:04.01 | nevcairiel | mostly because the second one is way too mild |
| 22:04.21 | nevcairiel | the change in 7.2 made a significant difference |
| 22:04.29 | foxlit | I guess we'll find out next week. |
| 22:04.31 | nevcairiel | which that explanation it would not |
| 22:04.51 | nevcairiel | it cant be /4 anymore, that would basically put tanks 1:1 with DPS |
| 22:04.55 | nevcairiel | and they way out dps us |
| 22:07.58 | foxlit | and now I wonder what your typical threat margin over a dps in single-target and multi-target scenarios is. |
| 22:08.40 | nevcairiel | single target its still pretty sizeable |
| 22:08.59 | nevcairiel | right now i would guess they may do up to twice my dps, but i do 4x threat plus bonus threat from things |
| 22:09.19 | foxlit | bonus threat is still a thing? |
| 22:09.26 | nevcairiel | taunt at least |
| 22:09.41 | nevcairiel | also last i heard thrash has bonus threat still |
| 22:10.09 | foxlit | eh, hasn't been in the tooltip for a very long time. |
| 22:10.49 | nevcairiel | tooltips all lie |
| 22:10.58 | nevcairiel | cant overflow the users information centers |
| 22:11.19 | nevcairiel | but taunt at least remains |
| 22:12.18 | nevcairiel | would have to test threat generation from thrash, its not like its hard to confirm either way |
| 22:13.42 | nevcairiel | but apparently its hard to find a mob to whail on without some random guy coming and killing him |
| 22:18.50 | nevcairiel | doing this scientific is hard, i have so much random damage |
| 22:19.13 | nevcairiel | but it definitely looks like when I kill a mob without thrash, the threat is 4x my damage done |
| 22:19.23 | nevcairiel | if i use thrash, its more threat |
| 23:36.24 | znf | does any DPS spec actually have some interesting mastery these days? |
| 23:36.34 | znf | Or they've all been reduced to flat damage increase? |
| 23:37.37 | Infus | marksman mastery still increases your range |
| 23:43.25 | znf | wtb more interesting mastery for Shadow |
| 23:48.42 | znf | I see BM has a shit mastery too |
| 23:50.00 | znf | Unholy is crap, too |
| 23:50.17 | znf | so is Frost DK |
