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| 00:07.46 | Gnarfoz | eke00372__: [23:54:50] <TheDanW> fix would be a strong word, but it may be better |
| 00:09.41 | eke00372__ | tyvm |
| 00:10.39 | eke00372__ | oh, i just saw chat hours ago now, sorry |
| 00:14.29 | foxlit | (but what actually changed?) |
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| 01:16.30 | Ammako | nevcairiel https://pastebin.com/kJmd4xWE error on login when "Enable HandyNotes" is unchecked in the addon's setting page |
| 01:21.47 | foxlit | Mildly annoying: curse doesn't actually have addon download links on mobile |
| 01:22.06 | Torhal | That would be weird. |
| 01:23.12 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/8sndu0g9.png |
| 01:26.42 | Thunder_Child | If you use chrome there is a toggle for "desktop mode". |
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| 01:32.24 | foxlit | there's a "request desktop mode" button in safari which doesn't do anything for Curse |
| 01:35.48 | Thunder_Child | Seems to work for chrome. I just tested. |
| 01:36.57 | foxlit | ios chrome? |
| 01:38.18 | Thunder_Child | Android. |
| 01:39.05 | foxlit | not quite the same thing since they can't actually use their own rendering engine on iOS |
| 01:40.13 | Thunder_Child | I thought the whole point was to just spoof the sites detection of platform. (Nominally I should know this, but I never have to make sites for mobile.) |
| 01:40.42 | foxlit | yeah, doesn't help |
| 01:42.10 | foxlit | I assume they just lie in the UA header. Blink!Chrome might be more helpful by also lying for css media queries, but I presently have no devtools to check what's going on here. |
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| 02:12.49 | Ammako | with legacy loot rules, does the 10/25 toggle even matter anymore |
| 02:13.23 | Ammako | like, for raids that had the same drop tables on both 10/25 |
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| 02:22.03 | Semlar | my addon that shows countdown text on every cooldown spinner in the interface is showing a countdown on the honor level bar because they're using a cooldown spinner for it |
| 02:22.39 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.38 | Semlar | i'm interested in the fact that it's counting down https://i.imgur.com/orYDmTT.png |
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| 02:31.35 | Semlar | so there's a lua function for cooldown frames called SetHideCountdownNumbers, but i don't see a way to retrieve this value |
| 02:32.31 | Semlar | so i guess i can't use that to figure out if i should draw numbers on it |
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| 03:00.32 | tz | that explains why I had a number on mine, too |
| 03:00.42 | tz | I thought it was 1 million of whatever units it was counting by |
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| 04:35.35 | [TOM_RUS] | lol @ hotfixes, lots of "damage reduced by X", but zero "health reduded"... |
| 04:35.48 | [TOM_RUS] | how can blizzard be so fucking retarded? |
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| 04:41.28 | [TOM_RUS] | argus hotfix even more retarded, because they nerfed p1/p2 ability, but not p3 where issue was... |
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| 07:00.19 | haste | Gnarfoz: https://plus.google.com/+Ingress/posts/AJb4PmUGemJ |
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| 07:33.59 | nevcairiel | oh communities are enabled on EU now |
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| 07:51.08 | Andols2 | How do you show that, I can't find any keybind or button. Or am I blind? |
| 07:51.28 | nevcairiel | the same way you opened the normal guild panel |
| 07:51.30 | nevcairiel | it just replaces it |
| 07:51.50 | nevcairiel | maybe its not on all realms yet |
| 08:04.50 | nevcairiel | (also, J key) |
| 08:09.26 | Alram | so i have an addon related question for once |
| 08:09.37 | Alram | some addon authors are acting completely surprised their stuff broke |
| 08:09.48 | Alram | but havent they had a chance to deal with stuff on PTR/Beta? |
| 08:10.13 | AcidWeb | Yes they had. But also remember that not everything could be tested there. |
| 08:10.16 | nevcairiel | of course they had |
| 08:10.38 | nevcairiel | the author beta invite game in pretty late this time around, but even if you only had PTR, thats usually plenty for addons |
| 08:11.00 | nevcairiel | unless you need to go do battlegrounds, noone signs up for that shit =p |
| 08:11.22 | AcidWeb | You could play bg on pvp realm without problem |
| 08:11.29 | Alram | hmk |
| 08:11.57 | AcidWeb | well not 40vs40 |
| 08:11.59 | nevcairiel | but this doesnt seem like a new thing, many authors always seem to be surprised by breakage in big patches, despite having weeks if not months on the Beta/PTR |
| 08:12.03 | foxlit | it's unreasonable to expect people to install the ptr to test addons. |
| 08:12.05 | AcidWeb | and they were broken most of time ;p |
| 08:12.22 | Alram | i was just wondering because an author for one of the addons i use said everyone is playing catchup with the api changes since the patch dropped |
| 08:12.34 | Alram | and its a pretty huge addon so i was surprised |
| 08:12.36 | nevcairiel | maybe he is =p |
| 08:12.50 | Locust | Hey. Noob here. I'm wondering if it's possible to cast whatever PvP Talent is in a particular slot. Is this possible? |
| 08:12.50 | Locust | I can get the Talent ID for a particular slot (there are 4 PvP slots in 8.0). But is it possible to then cast the Talent? |
| 08:12.50 | Locust | I'm using C_SpecializationInfo.GetPvpTalentSlotInfo(x) where x is one of the slots. |
| 08:12.56 | nevcairiel | the UI changes really arent even that big |
| 08:13.08 | nevcairiel | if you used any map stuff, sure, you need to partly re-write your addon |
| 08:13.13 | nevcairiel | but other areas .. its not that huge |
| 08:13.13 | Simca | i think procrastination is a requirement for being a programmer, so he probably procrastinated until patch release to start fixing it |
| 08:13.17 | foxlit | unknown unknowns, nevcairiel |
| 08:13.42 | AcidWeb | Well obvious changes are not a problem. |
| 08:13.42 | Alram | atleast he says he'll have a version ready today |
| 08:13.48 | Alram | the only addon i cant really live without :D |
| 08:13.53 | nevcairiel | which is that? |
| 08:13.56 | Alram | titan |
| 08:14.00 | nevcairiel | thats still alive? |
| 08:14.05 | AcidWeb | Rest of small tweaks that bite you in the ass are. |
| 08:14.08 | Alram | well temporarily not alive |
| 08:14.09 | Alram | clearly |
| 08:14.15 | Simca | Locust: it shouldn't be. if there is, it would be classed an exploit |
| 08:15.01 | Locust | Thanks. There used to be a thing called pvptalent. You could do /cast pvptalent[1:3] to cast Talent #1 on Row 1. But that went away in 8.0. |
| 08:15.03 | foxlit | Simca: nonsense. |
| 08:15.26 | Locust | So now there is no easy way to just cast whatever PvP Talent is in slot X. |
| 08:15.27 | nevcairiel | people talked about the pvptalent conditional here |
| 08:15.34 | nevcairiel | i forgot what the outcome was |
| 08:15.45 | Torhal | Alram: I've been rather busy the past few months, so I'm one of those playing catch-up even though I was fully aware of the APi changes. |
| 08:15.49 | Simca | sounds like foxlit is going to suggest a better way anyway |
| 08:15.58 | Alram | you have like a million cats Torhal |
| 08:15.59 | Locust | Was it recent? I've been logged in for like day but that's about it. |
| 08:16.01 | Alram | i accept that excuse |
| 08:16.02 | Torhal | lol |
| 08:16.32 | foxlit | (also that /cast syntax could never work without addon support) |
| 08:16.51 | Locust | Is my idea at least possible? |
| 08:16.57 | Torhal | I'm honestly surprised Titan is still around. Or, at least, that Tiitan-specific plugins are still being made. LibDataBroker has been a thing for 1 years now. |
| 08:17.08 | Torhal | 10 |
| 08:17.08 | nevcairiel | isnt titan just a ldb display now |
| 08:17.10 | Torhal | Goddamn keyboard. |
| 08:17.20 | nevcairiel | or well, maybe it does both |
| 08:17.23 | Torhal | nevcairiel: No, it still supports its old proprietary format last I heard. |
| 08:17.27 | Torhal | Yeah, both, |
| 08:17.38 | Torhal | But I keep seeing new [Titan: ERMAGHERD] projects |
| 08:17.49 | Alram | there's a replacement? |
| 08:18.03 | nevcairiel | if all you want is a bar for plugins at the top or bottom of your screen, plenty |
| 08:18.05 | Torhal | Alram: Any LibDatabroker display, yes. ChocolateBar, Bazooka, etcetera |
| 08:18.14 | nevcairiel | I use Bazooka |
| 08:18.16 | Torhal | Same. |
| 08:18.19 | Alram | hmk, does it have the same amount of options? i have a million things i customized about it |
| 08:18.26 | foxlit | Locust: you probably can't change pvp talents in combat, so nothing stops you from reconfiguring a few buttons outside lockdown and using /click |
| 08:18.39 | nevcairiel | i havent used titan in a decade or so, so i really couldnt tell you |
| 08:18.47 | Locust | I want to cast the spell, not change it. |
| 08:18.48 | Torhal | Look up anything beginning with Broker_ plus there are many others that don't have that prefix |
| 08:18.50 | nevcairiel | it also doesnt come with any built-in plugins, you get to add those yourself |
| 08:19.12 | nevcairiel | but my needs are usually simple |
| 08:19.16 | Torhal | I have Broker_Currency and Frenemy, for example. |
| 08:19.33 | Simca | if i'm not wrong, he's saying: make secure action buttons, check if player is out of combat, set them to the talents chosen, repeat if talent choice changes and player is not in combat |
| 08:19.41 | Simca | or something similar, right? |
| 08:19.46 | Locust | The reason being that a class might have ~10 PvP talents. And I want to hotkey them. So e.g. Hotkey 1 = Slot 1, Hotkey Q = Slot 2, Hotkey R = Slot 3. Always; no matter which PvP talent is selected. |
| 08:19.58 | Locust | This is because it's a hassle to change out PvP talents all the time. |
| 08:20.05 | Locust | I thought there might be a simpler way. |
| 08:20.05 | foxlit | Simca: yes |
| 08:21.11 | Locust | I'm not interested in passive PvP talents; just ones you can activate. |
| 08:22.10 | Simca | yeah as mentioned above, use secure action buttons to cast the spells. the only restriction is that you can't change the spells assigned to the buttons if you're in combat |
| 08:22.20 | Alram | hmm bazooka hasnt recently been updated either |
| 08:22.42 | Torhal | Alram: Still works. |
| 08:22.42 | Simca | tbh there's a lot of addons that don't even need updated |
| 08:22.49 | Alram | fair enough Torhal |
| 08:22.52 | Simca | lib deformat is used by tons of addons |
| 08:22.55 | Simca | last update: 3.3.5 |
| 08:22.57 | Torhal | Also, mitch0 should be on it shortly |
| 08:23.47 | foxlit | (fun tangent: you could get /cast PvPTalentSlot1 to work from opie/m6 macros (by writing additional code)) |
| 08:24.45 | nevcairiel | Simca: deformat also just uses lua patterns, not any blizzard api :D |
| 08:25.28 | Simca | yeah i know, but still, addons that just draw things on the screen like bazooka or fortress very rarely need updates since they barely interact with any parts of the api |
| 08:25.54 | Torhal | The reason Titanpanel does is due to shipping with built-in plugins. |
| 08:25.55 | nevcairiel | i made my own light-weight deformater with full positional argument support some time ago though |
| 08:25.59 | Simca | i used fortress after it was abandoned in MoP for years and years until I finally switched to bazooka after I got annoyed that it wouldn't hide itself in pet battles |
| 08:26.31 | nevcairiel | parsing quest objectives was really annoying without positional support |
| 08:26.48 | nevcairiel | (and with that i mean automatically re-ordering them so its the same order in all locales) |
| 08:27.08 | Simca | i didn't know you made a version of opie conditionals that works with regular action buttons (m6). that's super cool foxlit |
| 08:28.40 | Alram | hm bazooka is okay i guess |
| 08:28.50 | Torhal | Highly-customizable. |
| 08:28.54 | Alram | the no default plugins thing is kind of annoying |
| 08:29.00 | Alram | needs more work but i understand it from a tech standpoint |
| 08:29.16 | nevcairiel | we can probably point you at some if you miss any |
| 08:30.07 | Simca | my favorite ldb plugin is kind of dead and it makes me sad (GG-SocialState). still mostly works but it won't show people as ingame if they are simultaneously ingame and on the mobile app because the concept of multiple statuses was not in the game when it was last updated |
| 08:30.51 | Alram | mostly the xp tracker with mob kill count/estimated time until level and the gold stat thing that shows how much gained this session etc |
| 08:31.13 | Torhal | Simca: The original SocialState author (which GG is forked from) actually stopped development after I made Frenemy. |
| 08:31.23 | Alram | i have the currency thing Torhal mentioned |
| 08:31.29 | nevcairiel | i use Scrooge for the gold thing, https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/scrooge |
| 08:31.38 | nevcairiel | it appears out of date but still functions fine |
| 08:31.43 | nevcairiel | and if it breaks, i'll just fix it! |
| 08:32.01 | Alram | neato |
| 08:32.08 | Simca | nice |
| 08:32.32 | Alram | my biggest excuse for having something like that is knowing how many pets i can buy on the AH after i do all world quests |
| 08:32.32 | Simca | i was using Accountant but it broke in 7.3 due to sound changes and i've just been ignoring the lua errors due to lazy |
| 08:32.48 | nevcairiel | fixing sound changes would be easy |
| 08:33.12 | Simca | it would, but i like the addon you linked better anyway, better integration with ldb |
| 08:33.17 | nevcairiel | aw the scrooge repo has become locked down in s ome wowace migration |
| 08:33.21 | nevcairiel | guess no pushing a fix |
| 08:33.24 | nevcairiel | forks to github |
| 08:33.41 | Simca | Torhal: nice coincidence. that looks exactly like what i want |
| 08:33.48 | nevcairiel | and with "fix" i was just testing with a toc update |
| 08:34.00 | Simca | i figured somebody had to be maintaining a new one but i just didn't know what the name would be |
| 08:34.06 | Alram | the addon i have installed for the oldest version is one of simca's |
| 08:34.12 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 08:34.13 | Alram | Pet Accuracy Recorder |
| 08:34.20 | Simca | lol |
| 08:34.28 | Simca | the addon that existed to disprove somebody's forum theory |
| 08:34.30 | Simca | good times |
| 08:35.02 | Simca | they thought the miss rate was higher than 5%, so i made an addon so they could prove it |
| 08:35.35 | Alram | i think i might need to remove some of these, heh |
| 08:35.49 | Alram | same addon dir for like 8 years atleast |
| 08:36.05 | nevcairiel | i usually use expansions to clean stuff out |
| 08:36.11 | nevcairiel | so no multi-year cruft |
| 08:36.41 | Alram | frenemy is nice |
| 08:36.46 | Torhal | Thanks |
| 08:36.59 | Alram | surprising from someone like you Torhal |
| 08:37.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:37.06 | Alram | i only expected bad /me jokes |
| 08:37.09 | Torhal | :O |
| 08:37.13 | Alram | what a day |
| 08:37.39 | Alram | it started off with seeing a very visible mars in the night sky for the first time in my life |
| 08:37.42 | Alram | and now this |
| 08:38.41 | Simca | yeah much better than what i was using before |
| 08:38.45 | Alram | the fuck Torhal https://marlamin.com/u/TwitchUI_2018-07-20_10-38-40-971G48DS.png |
| 08:38.50 | Alram | i had no idea all this time |
| 08:38.56 | Torhal | lololol |
| 08:39.16 | Torhal | About what, exactly? |
| 08:39.16 | Alram | all these years and you didnt think to mention this to me |
| 08:39.24 | Simca | torhal is secretly behind half of WoW's addons |
| 08:39.25 | Simca | didn't you know |
| 08:39.29 | Torhal | lolwut |
| 08:39.40 | Alram | i thought that was Stanzilla, Simca |
| 08:39.40 | nevcairiel | thats more likely to be me |
| 08:39.52 | Torhal | Yeah, more likely to be nevcairiel |
| 08:40.00 | nevcairiel | it was more fun when i could just fix random addons on wowace though |
| 08:40.04 | nevcairiel | now most repos are closed by default |
| 08:40.17 | nevcairiel | even with my moderator powers :( |
| 08:40.27 | Simca | speaking of whom, hey Stanzilla fix postal thanks |
| 08:40.38 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with postal? |
| 08:40.42 | nevcairiel | i fixed the one error i saw |
| 08:40.50 | Torhal | Simca: What's nicer? |
| 08:41.04 | Simca | oh, did you? i hadn't seen an update yet |
| 08:41.09 | nevcairiel | probably alpha only |
| 08:41.33 | Torhal | Err, better. |
| 08:41.49 | Alram | now i need an xp thing and i'm set for bfa launch atleast |
| 08:41.59 | Simca | oh, Frenemy is better than GG-SocialState |
| 08:42.23 | Simca | just use a permanent marker and draw an exp bar on your screen, fill it in as you level |
| 08:42.27 | Simca | obvious |
| 08:42.31 | Torhal | Ah, ok. I actually wrote it because SocialState wasn't being updated. |
| 08:42.35 | Torhal | lol |
| 08:42.37 | Simca | get in the 21st century marla |
| 08:42.45 | Alram | Simca but i have to get a new screen like 10 times |
| 08:42.56 | Alram | :( |
| 08:43.18 | Simca | nah you can use whiteout |
| 08:43.19 | nevcairiel | i always lazyed out on the XP thing and just use the blizzy bar |
| 08:43.43 | nevcairiel | no fancy kills-to-level sort of features but it shows the progress |
| 08:43.49 | Torhal | Alram: I'd been using Broker_XPBar but it hasn't been updated yet so I have it disabled |
| 08:43.53 | Alram | also i just figured out nevcairiel is the same nevcairiel as on mmoc |
| 08:43.57 | Alram | a day of revelations |
| 08:43.59 | nevcairiel | duh |
| 08:44.03 | nevcairiel | my name is pretty unique |
| 08:44.08 | Alram | i am truly woke as the kids would call it |
| 08:44.29 | Alram | i dont use marlamin on irc on purpose |
| 08:44.36 | Alram | and marla was a disaster |
| 08:44.38 | Simca | yeah very subtle |
| 08:44.47 | nevcairiel | i only figured out that association like a couple weeks ago tho |
| 08:44.49 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 08:44.53 | Acmis | am i cool yet |
| 08:44.56 | Alram | see Acmis |
| 08:45.04 | Alram | also Acmis is a good handle actually |
| 08:45.08 | nevcairiel | who ever thinks to read a name backwards |
| 08:45.16 | Fisker | I think Acmis is cool |
| 08:45.23 | Alram | not to be confused with Ackis |
| 08:45.40 | Acmis | i only make recipe lists in spreadsheets |
| 08:45.48 | nevcairiel | there i just tagged postal |
| 08:45.52 | Alram | using openoffice i'm sure |
| 08:45.52 | nevcairiel | xinhuan wouldnt mind! |
| 08:45.57 | Alram | not excel, that would be a simca thing |
| 08:46.07 | Acmis | openoffice lol |
| 08:46.16 | Alram | fine |
| 08:46.17 | Alram | libreoffice |
| 08:47.01 | Alram | epic bg queue time went up to 4 mins from < 1 min |
| 08:47.04 | Alram | i guess they fixed av! |
| 08:47.18 | nevcairiel | werent you bored yet |
| 08:47.42 | Acmis | they fixed AV over a day ago on US |
| 08:47.45 | Acmis | i was very sad |
| 08:47.55 | nevcairiel | i did the centauren rep yesterday, i hope they dont steal it back, 2 more exalted are a good step on my way to 100 :D |
| 08:48.18 | Alram | yeah same |
| 08:48.19 | Acmis | i thought they would steal that back but they just added a hotfix that gives rep with those factions from some mobs in desolace |
| 08:48.34 | Alram | nevcairiel: i was annoyed actually, i was hoping armor scraps would be useful again after the buff |
| 08:48.36 | Acmis | which sounds to me like a solution to the people who were upset because they already did the quest |
| 08:48.45 | Acmis | i.e. saying things will stay how they are |
| 08:48.45 | Alram | then i found out they made it worse instead |
| 08:49.19 | nevcairiel | i havent enjoyed AV since the day+ duration instances in classic |
| 08:49.44 | Alram | same |
| 08:49.48 | Alram | i was hoping this would bring that back a bit |
| 08:49.51 | Acmis | i had a lot of fun with it in cataclysm |
| 08:50.03 | Alram | they categorised it under epic bg so it should be okay if there was a longer length |
| 08:50.05 | Acmis | reinforcement cap was lame but it was very high (600 deaths) |
| 08:50.28 | Acmis | i usually could clear both mines, gather enough scraps to fully upgrade armor and usually enough blood to begin summoning |
| 08:50.39 | Torhal | Acmis: Unfortunately, if you already did a certain other questline during TBC, all those NPCs are dead. |
| 08:50.51 | Acmis | whether or not the summoning actually got underway was a crapshoot, but was still fun |
| 08:51.08 | Torhal | I went to where they're supposed to be and all I see are centaur corpses and a bunch of Burning Blade. |
| 08:51.25 | nevcairiel | tbc quests affected desolace? |
| 08:51.32 | Acmis | desolace is heavily phased, have you done all the quests there? |
| 08:51.38 | Alram | tbc had phasing? |
| 08:51.40 | Torhal | No, Classic quests that I happened to do during TBC. |
| 08:51.42 | Alram | wasnt tha a wotlk |
| 08:51.45 | Alram | feature |
| 08:51.58 | nevcairiel | desolace was basically entirely re-done in cata |
| 08:52.01 | Torhal | Hmm. Maybe Cata did that |
| 08:52.03 | nevcairiel | i know that i finished it during classic |
| 08:52.10 | nevcairiel | and yet i had zero progress in there now |
| 08:52.21 | nevcairiel | (yes i still play the exact same character) |
| 08:52.25 | Torhal | I'm completely hated with Gelkis and a bit into Friendly for Magram. |
| 08:52.33 | nevcairiel | i was the opposite |
| 08:52.40 | nevcairiel | now both are exalted |
| 08:52.58 | Torhal | I'm actually doing the Cenarion quests now. |
| 08:53.01 | Acmis | opening the 2 reps to exalted takes like 25 quests to get there, you have to do about half of desolace, working from completely unrelated quests |
| 08:53.10 | Acmis | just because of how it all cascades |
| 08:53.10 | nevcairiel | only had to do like 10 pre-quests from the tree patch in the middle of the zone |
| 08:53.23 | nevcairiel | there was a list on wowhead |
| 08:53.27 | Acmis | yeah |
| 08:53.33 | Alram | i got into an AV where everyone is defending |
| 08:53.38 | Alram | and alliance is winning on reinformcements |
| 08:53.41 | Alram | is this real life |
| 08:53.53 | nevcairiel | https://www.wowhead.com/item=38567/maraudine-prisoner-manifest#comments:id=1641057 that list, really wasnt that long |
| 08:54.04 | Alram | i did that in like 30 min yesterday |
| 08:54.05 | Torhal | I'm also pissed that I'm halfway through Honored with Zandalar tribe. Was in the middle of working on that rep when they removed the NPCs. |
| 08:54.11 | Alram | there was only one other person |
| 08:54.14 | Simca | yeah people would hate me for that. I would go into AV with 4 other friends in cataclysm and we would capture the towers and reflip the GYs, forcing an alliance wipe and respawn |
| 08:54.24 | Simca | and nobody was thankful for that, there was usually a lot of mad |
| 08:54.24 | Torhal | I actually still have some of the rep tokens in the bank. |
| 08:54.25 | nevcairiel | i did it with Gnarfoz, i dont think we saw anyone else |
| 08:54.40 | Simca | because we just ruined their 10 minute bg into an hour long match |
| 08:54.48 | nevcairiel | Simca: it was around the time when people would just want to get it over with |
| 08:55.04 | Simca | yeah |
| 08:55.12 | Alram | i liked very long AVs |
| 08:55.18 | Alram | armor scraps etc would matter |
| 08:55.21 | nevcairiel | the community couldnt deal with epic strategic fights anylonger |
| 08:55.25 | Alram | they havent for like years |
| 08:55.33 | Alram | they might be useful now tho |
| 08:55.55 | nevcairiel | i was hoping that warfronts would turn out a bit like old AV, but its probably too LFR-y for that |
| 08:58.00 | nevcairiel | ie. if you actually properly organize and sign up with a bunch of friends, its likely too easy |
| 08:59.57 | Alram | oh boy |
| 08:59.59 | Alram | av so hard now |
| 09:00.42 | Alram | i died taking mine |
| 09:00.45 | Alram | that hasnt happened in forever |
| 09:07.49 | *** join/#wowuidev modernist (~mke@194.75.75.170) |
| 09:10.03 | Alram | https://marlamin.com/u/Wow_2018-07-20_11-10-01-4r7675yf.png |
| 09:10.07 | Alram | defending is real |
| 09:14.25 | Alram | i was gonna add hotfix support to my online dbc viewer but that is ruined now |
| 09:15.58 | Torhal | These centaurs models look a bit more than fourteen-years-old. |
| 09:21.46 | nevcairiel | its a launch zone, so.. |
| 09:21.55 | Torhal | Heh, yeah. |
| 09:22.09 | nevcairiel | it didnt really feel that bad tho |
| 09:22.36 | Torhal | I think I need to take a cue from you and clean everything out. I still have Handynotes in Desolace. One says "Vendor-Tron 1000" which was removed in Cata... |
| 09:22.45 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:25.24 | Simca | anyone know why people are so upset over removal of fullscreen mode? I am confused about it |
| 09:25.36 | nevcairiel | its just another point to complain about |
| 09:25.43 | Simca | most of the complaints i've seen have to do with SLI or refresh rates but neither of those things are related to fullscreen |
| 09:26.22 | Torhal | Simca: Some may be like pompy; still running Windows 7 so they take a performance hit. |
| 09:27.22 | nevcairiel | if youre not on windows 10 you might see a mild performance hit, especially on windows 7 where the desktop compositor is crap |
| 09:27.31 | nevcairiel | on windows 10 it should not make a notable performance difference |
| 09:28.09 | nevcairiel | although i read that in dx11 mode wow is not using the full potential from windows 10 windowed rendering |
| 09:28.25 | nevcairiel | but it does in dx12 because MS forces you to use all the fancy new thins there |
| 09:28.27 | nevcairiel | things* |
| 09:29.08 | nevcairiel | due do that GSYNC does not work in dx11 wow right now |
| 09:29.20 | nevcairiel | (on 10, anyway) |
| 09:31.47 | nevcairiel | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765917405 i found that yesterday where someone else made the same observation. Apparently dx11 mode doesn't use flip mode, which would be really good to use. But I have no clue if the engine developers would ever get such a message |
| 09:38.58 | Simca | so the only real downside then is the performance hit of having to keep rendering your desktop behind the application instead of the application having exclusive GPU control |
| 09:39.04 | Simca | ? |
| 09:45.27 | nevcairiel | its not that it really renders the desktop, but it goes through the compositor, which costs varying amount of performance and adds a bit of input lag. Something you can avoid on Windows 10 if done right (see thread), but cannot be avoided on 7 or 8 |
| 09:45.27 | nevcairiel | also some other tech like GSYNC is much happier with exclusive control, either actual exclusive fullscreen or the new window 10 exclusive window thing |
