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| 00:30.18 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: there is howvere an inferior OS, windows :P |
| 00:30.31 | Chipzz | s/howvere/however/ |
| 00:31.31 | Chipzz | and you're right, neither Linux nor OSX is better :) |
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| 01:22.35 | Semlar | does the launcher have the option to clean up its file cache or does it just keep growing |
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| 01:47.44 | nebula | Semlar: the data (CASC) files? it does it's own maintenance, not sure how aggressive it is though |
| 01:48.04 | Semlar | well, is the base game 64gb? |
| 01:48.21 | Semlar | that's the size of my data folder |
| 01:48.54 | nebula | looks like a clean bfa install is 56gb, my live folder is 60 |
| 01:49.09 | Semlar | my live data folder is 64.3gb |
| 01:49.53 | Semlar | it's on a drive that's only 250gb so it's taking up a significant amount of it |
| 01:50.20 | nebula | well if you really want that 8gb back you can delete it and repair :p |
| 01:50.33 | Semlar | does it really not just have a button to clean itself |
| 01:51.31 | nebula | Simca would probably know about how it works, but no, scan and repair doesn't seem to purge much |
| 01:51.34 | Semlar | it probably takes a performance hit the more old data it accumulates in the cache files |
| 01:51.53 | Simca | it cleans up itself slowly semlar |
| 01:52.08 | Simca | but no, you can't force it to do it |
| 01:52.15 | Semlar | boo |
| 01:53.10 | Semlar | alright, what's the most fun class for BFA |
| 01:53.19 | znf | priest |
| 01:53.22 | znf | holy |
| 01:53.25 | Thunder_Child | Subjective. |
| 01:53.35 | Semlar | wrong, the answer is always hunter |
| 01:53.41 | nebula | survival hunter |
| 01:53.43 | nebula | ! |
| 01:53.53 | znf | lolhunter |
| 01:54.26 | Semlar | holy dps would be even lower than a survival hunter's |
| 01:54.51 | znf | you should play... untalented monk |
| 01:54.53 | znf | no spec |
| 01:54.55 | znf | just basic abilities |
| 01:54.58 | nebula | pfft, survival is actually fine at dps |
| 01:55.16 | Simca | except with some unauthorized modifications, if you hosted a local version of the config file that specifies frequency of cleanup you could trick the client into executing it all at once |
| 01:55.39 | Semlar | i see |
| 01:56.05 | Simca | also they ruined MM and SV in beta, so no hunter spec is worth playing now |
| 01:56.38 | Semlar | they sure did, i logged onto my marks hunter on the beta and i noticed they changed everything |
| 01:56.39 | Simca | maybe boring master, if you don't enjoy playing the game |
| 01:57.34 | Semlar | i hate multishot and arcane shot |
| 01:57.39 | Semlar | i wish they'd go away |
| 01:58.19 | Semlar | sidewinders got rid of them but they got rid of sidewinders |
| 01:59.06 | Simca | you'll enjoy the new marks then where aimed shot has a CD so arcane shot is focused to be cast quite often |
| 02:01.13 | Semlar | i've played a hunter since BC and i can't remember a time when multishot ever did enough damage to be worth casting by itself |
| 02:01.29 | Semlar | the move is utterly pointless, beyond proccing something else |
| 02:01.48 | Semlar | why even have it |
| 02:01.52 | Simca | yeah even in legion that's true. procs beast cleave/marking targets |
| 02:02.08 | Semlar | all my aoe damage came from marked shot |
| 02:03.00 | Semlar | and arcane shot's only purpose is to waste an action slot for you to have a button to hit while you aren't doing anything else |
| 02:03.56 | Semlar | i would rather stand there and do nothing than have to push a button to fill in downtime between more interesting moves |
| 02:04.34 | Torhal | Hmm... looks like the Garrison zones were trimmed down to two from five. |
| 02:05.02 | Torhal | Lunarfall Excavation and Lunarfall instead of five instances of the latter. |
| 02:05.50 | Simca | they consider that a phasing or conditional map, so it may share a UIMapID despite the maps looking different |
| 02:05.52 | nebula | phasing gone wild |
| 02:06.11 | Torhal | Hey, not complaining - I think it's a good change. |
| 02:06.15 | Simca | i'll check the data but i think that is correct |
| 02:06.19 | Torhal | I thought it was crazy having to account for five phases. |
| 02:07.05 | Simca | Yeah, UIMapXMapArt has 3 cols: PhaseID, UIMapID, UIMapArtID |
| 02:07.16 | Torhal | Good deal. Thankye. |
| 02:07.45 | Simca | yeah that is neat |
| 02:49.59 | znf | huh, this is weird |
| 02:50.05 | znf | I no longer have a route to github.com |
| 02:51.41 | Mr_Rabies | please connect via microsoft edge |
| 02:52.01 | Funkeh` | https://status.github.com/messages |
| 02:53.17 | znf | technically it says everything's fine |
| 03:00.25 | znf | weird, back up now |
| 03:00.50 | znf | I was getting: |
| 03:00.51 | znf | #show ip bgp routes detail 192.30.253.112 |
| 03:00.51 | znf | BGP4 : None of the BGP4 routes match the display condition |
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| 03:30.00 | znf | Kesava the wonder-man! |
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| 04:41.07 | Torhal | GAAAAAAH |
| 04:41.33 | Torhal | Another patch, and now the client won't save which AddOns are disabled. |
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| 04:55.38 | tz | the next 24hrs is going to be fuuuuuuuuuun |
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| 05:25.18 | AcidWeb | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/AcidWeb/ea1343e3c5e4e2a90c81abaadd1f5630/raw/cd7b335879b9f9df55254213c050932d245cde02/gistfile1.txt |
| 05:25.20 | AcidWeb | ð |
| 05:28.22 | AcidWeb | Let me guess - travis have some ancient version of hg by default. |
| 05:29.10 | Simca | [TOM_RUS]: recent hotfixes contained adjustments to several content tuning entries, can hope it fixed issues mostly |
| 05:29.22 | Simca | https://i.imgur.com/eJCHn3h.png |
| 05:33.59 | Simca | oh, yeah. definitely some changes considering the entry these new contenttuning entries are using is also brand new |
| 05:34.13 | Simca | it's not in the last content build's db2s |
| 05:35.31 | Simca | lol build 27101 added another: Legion Endgame - Chromie |
| 05:36.00 | Simca | if they care enough to try to balance the tuning on the chromie scenario that gives me a little hope that raiding tomorrow won't be complete shit |
| 05:41.40 | Torhal | Is there a replacement for WORLD_MAP_UPDATE? |
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| 05:56.49 | AcidWeb | nebularg: FYI packager mercurial support don't play ball with default travis image. Mercurial version is too old to connect with curse. |
| 05:58.52 | Torhal | NEBULARG! |
| 06:05.21 | AcidWeb | And also is too old to force insecure option. |
| 06:05.22 | AcidWeb | ehh |
| 06:05.34 | nebula | AcidWeb: too old? like it doesn't handle tls? |
| 06:05.51 | AcidWeb | only 1.0 |
| 06:05.51 | nebula | that's awkward |
| 06:08.29 | Simca_ | a lot of curse stuff i work with is C# and a lot of is from before we used nuget, so hardcoded dll dependencies that haven't been updated since 2012 at latest. removing those and replacing them with packages is always fun |
| 06:10.08 | Simca_ | bunch of pointless changes in some libraries completely screws things during update, which is fun. you have to call Read() before ReadHeader() in CsvHelper past version 3 (a 2014 update, i think), so updating that hardcoded dll dependency broke every CSV reading process in the project, but not in a way that was obvious at compile-time |
| 06:10.22 | Simca_ | that was fun |
| 06:12.47 | Mr_Rabies | man i don't envy you guys on patch day |
| 06:13.40 | Mr_Rabies | being anyone involved in the addon process other than "screaming horde wanting a fixed version", that is |
| 06:15.13 | tz | two addons, one with: |
| 06:15.13 | tz | if GetBuildInfo and select(4,GetBuildInfo()) < 80000 then return end |
| 06:15.18 | tz | and the other with: |
| 06:15.23 | tz | if GetBuildInfo and select(4,GetBuildInfo()) >= 80000 then return end |
| 06:15.26 | tz | on every file |
| 06:15.30 | Torhal | WAT |
| 06:15.44 | tz | make 'em work for it ;) |
| 06:16.38 | Semlar | if you patch it before they notice it's out of date they won't appreciate what you've done for them |
| 06:16.49 | tz | alas, 'tis true |
| 06:18.02 | Semlar | if the transition is too smooth they won't notice you've done anything at all |
| 06:20.09 | Torhal | Mine should be pretty smooth for NPCScan, except for the two people who actually use the world map notifications in Tanaan Jungle. |
| 06:20.10 | Semlar | is the build tomorrow going to be 80000? |
| 06:20.16 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 06:20.44 | Semlar | well, nobody uses my addons anyway |
| 06:20.56 | Torhal | You better damn well update MapLine. |
| 06:21.01 | Torhal | CrossHairs works fine. |
| 06:21.24 | Semlar | i could just uncomment the first part of the code in mapline and just not have it work across zones |
| 06:21.27 | tz | CrossHairs is great |
| 06:22.03 | Torhal | One bonus with the map changes is now it's possible to get an npcID from vignettes. |
| 06:22.12 | Semlar | orly |
| 06:22.14 | Simca_ | lol tz I did something almost that bad. I have Is_BFA checks littered throughout one addon to make it worth with both atm. even intentionally initialize a library late in order to determine interface version first and load a different library version if it is BFA (herebedragons 2.0 vs 1.0) |
| 06:22.33 | Torhal | So the only ones I really need to match on a vignette name are the ones where you need to summon the NPC from the vignette object. |
| 06:22.52 | nebula | AcidWeb: do you have a build log from travis? it looks like mercurial should be 4.2.2 which should handle modern ssl fine |
| 06:23.07 | Semlar | did they change the vignette GUID structure? |
| 06:23.18 | tz | I was in the process of completely rewriting one of my addons for BfA, that made it way easier to manage :P |
| 06:23.34 | nebula | or atleast let you use [hostsecurity] to ignore it |
| 06:23.41 | tz | 7.x goes into one addon, 8.x goes to another |
| 06:23.47 | Simca_ | Torhal: I can match object->npcID spawned usually, but it's fairly complicated. you have to have seen the object and cached it too. |
| 06:24.48 | Torhal | Semlar: They got rid of C_Vignettes. It's now C_VignetteInfo, and using C_VignetteInfo.GetVignetteInfo you get a table back that has objectGUID and vignetteGUID - the objectGUID is either the NPC GUID or an "NPC" GUID (which indicates that you need to interact to summon the real one) |
| 06:25.20 | Semlar | interesting, that was one of the main things missing from the old api |
| 06:25.24 | Torhal | So for most cases where the vignette name doesn't match that of the NPC, I don't need a lookup. |
| 06:25.44 | Semlar | and the one thing stopping me from implementing a feature for one of my addons |
| 06:26.28 | Torhal | Semlar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1l9zf7maj2ejwge/Screenshot%202018-07-17%2001.26.15.png |
| 06:26.54 | Semlar | quite a bit more info in there |
| 06:26.56 | Torhal | That's one where the objectID doesn't match a known NPC ID since you need to interact with the "skunky beer" before the NPC is spawned, |
| 06:27.36 | Torhal | Simca_: Well, at least now I can also get rid of the localized table lookups and map ID to ID. |
| 06:28.39 | AcidWeb | nebula: I'm currently boxing with hostsecurity. |
| 06:31.20 | AcidWeb | hmm you are right they using 4.2.2 |
| 06:31.24 | AcidWeb | that should work |
| 06:32.17 | AcidWeb | OK. Look on this: https://travis-ci.org/AcidWeb/REFlex/jobs/404752915#L1 |
| 06:32.43 | Semlar | i suppose i should fix mapline |
| 06:32.55 | Semlar | what with torhal being such a big fan |
| 06:33.04 | nevcairiel | thats what one gets for using mercurial |
| 06:33.13 | AcidWeb | Why packager is trying to use https://repos.curseforge.com/wow/libtoast-1-0 when https://hg.curseforge.com/wow/libtoast-1-0 is declared? |
| 06:34.04 | AcidWeb | nevcairiel I blame Torhal |
| 06:34.22 | nevcairiel | according to the project page, the hg url is not the correct one tho |
| 06:34.44 | nevcairiel | https://www.wowace.com/projects/libtoast-1-0/source |
| 06:34.55 | AcidWeb | "A note about externals: There is no way to differentiate between Curse repo urls for Git and Mercurial (atleast SVN has 'trunk' in the url), so for Mercurial externals you'll need to use 'hg' instead of 'repos' in the url (e.g., https://hg.curseforge.com/wow/somelib-1-0) otherwise it will assume Git and fail." |
| 06:35.11 | nevcairiel | oh its a packager hack |
| 06:35.16 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 06:35.23 | AcidWeb | also this work correctly on my linux machine |
| 06:35.37 | nevcairiel | but it makes sense that it'll just translate that to repos.whatever then |
| 06:35.43 | nevcairiel | because thats the actual url |
| 06:35.47 | nebula | it switches to the new curse url after getting it's type |
| 06:36.01 | nevcairiel | although you should probably use hg.wowace.com since its hosted on wowace not curseforge |
| 06:36.06 | nevcairiel | not sure if that mkaes a real difference |
| 06:36.17 | nevcairiel | for some things it does, for some not |
| 06:37.01 | AcidWeb | Well this is some ssl issue with travis default image. As i just tested it manually on two other machines and both can get that library correctly. |
| 06:37.21 | nebula | maybe the ca certs are old? |
| 06:37.26 | nevcairiel | still makes no sense though, since the hg certificate should be the same as the git certificate |
| 06:37.34 | nevcairiel | and only the hg stuff fails |
| 06:38.54 | Semlar | what do you do to monitor for map changes now |
| 06:39.06 | nevcairiel | use the callbacks |
| 06:39.52 | AcidWeb | even if i tell him to ignore TLS 1.0 warnings |
| 06:40.12 | AcidWeb | it still fail to verify certificate |
| 06:40.21 | nevcairiel | if you have an actual map data provider it'll give you a callback when the displayed map changes - if not, you can hook into WorldMapFrame:OnMapChanged() |
| 06:40.59 | Semlar | with hooksecurefunc? |
| 06:42.13 | Torhal | I'm guessing WorldMapFrame:OnMapChanged() replaces WORLD_MAP_UPDATE, but even if so I need to figure out what replaces the old landmark stuff. |
| 06:42.30 | Semlar | i've never used their mixin stuff |
| 06:42.49 | Semlar | so i have no idea what the proper way to do this is |
| 06:43.33 | Semlar | hooking the function call doesn't sound right |
| 06:43.35 | nevcairiel | secure hooks are probably nicer if you have no reason to use something else, so go with that |
| 06:43.44 | Semlar | well, works for me |
| 06:45.21 | nevcairiel | and yeah, that kind of replaces WORLD_MAP_UPDATE, if all you cared about is knowing when the zone displayed on the map changed |
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| 06:45.53 | Semlar | ah, no wonder this isn't working, lua errors are apparently disabled by default |
| 06:45.55 | nevcairiel | although for most things that add stuff to the map, its better to use the data provider api |
| 06:48.59 | Semlar | how do you use mixins from lua |
| 06:49.16 | Semlar | they seem to just be using it through xml |
| 06:49.32 | nevcairiel | nah its also used from Lua a bunch |
| 06:49.44 | nevcairiel | t = CreateFromMixins(mixinnamegoeshere) |
| 06:50.22 | nevcairiel | they use it from XML if its a frame |
| 06:50.26 | nevcairiel | but not all mixins are frames |
| 06:51.14 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Well, landmarks specifically. Not a big deal, since the only place (for now, anyway) it was used is when the WorldMap vignettes would appear in Tanaan Jungle. |
| 06:51.15 | AcidWeb | nebula: Yeah. CA storage missing some certs. |
| 06:52.17 | Semlar | alright, so you just do f = CreateFromMixins(mixin), and then you make functions with the same names in that table and it calls them as callbacks? |
| 06:53.17 | nevcairiel | Torhal: it depends what they moved them to, which API do you use to query them? they are not ordinary vignettes are they? |
| 06:53.25 | nevcairiel | maybe AREA_POIS_UPDATED |
| 06:53.50 | Torhal | nevcairiel: local _, landmarkName = _G.C_WorldMap.GetMapLandmarkInfo(landmarkIndex) |
| 06:53.52 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:54.09 | Torhal | Cool, I'll look into that one. |
| 06:54.46 | nevcairiel | is that API even a thing? framexml doesnt seem to mention it in 8.0 |
| 06:55.05 | Torhal | No idea. This is 7.x code I'm trying to port |
| 06:55.18 | Semlar | C_WorldMap doesn't exist |
| 06:55.19 | Torhal | That's the last thing (I believe) that I haven't found an 8.x equivalent for. |
| 06:55.29 | Torhal | Yar, it does not. |
| 06:56.02 | nevcairiel | sounds like the Area POIs might replace those |
| 06:56.25 | nevcairiel | ie. C_AreaPoiInfo |
| 06:56.53 | nevcairiel | with the event named above to update them |
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| 07:11.41 | Semlar | which one of these functions gives you the world coordinates for the edges of the map |
| 07:13.23 | Semlar | do i call C_Map.GetWorldPosFromMapPos on its corners? |
| 07:13.45 | nevcairiel | that would probably work |
| 07:26.44 | Semlar | is there a way to get the "display map ID" for a map, the instance ID it should be associated with |
| 07:28.09 | Semlar | so you can identify whether two different maps are on the same coordinate plane |
| 07:28.49 | Semlar | i guess GetWorldPosFromMapPos returns an instance ID |
| 07:37.19 | nevcairiel | indeed |
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| 07:54.46 | Semlar | me and the map are having a disagreement about what x and y mean |
| 07:58.14 | Semlar | one might expect that changing the "x" coordinate that you're feeding GetWorldPosFromMapPos to change the "x" coordinate that's being returned |
| 07:58.18 | Torhal | Hrm. The POI stuff is bringing up all kinds of interesting things which seem to be minimap-centric. |
| 07:58.20 | nebula | AcidWeb: playing around, looks like old python is old but you can still use fingerprints https://pastebin.com/fzjs0eac |
| 07:58.41 | Semlar | but of course it changes the "y" coordinate |
| 07:59.15 | nevcairiel | world coords have always been flipped around |
| 07:59.19 | nevcairiel | for some reason |
| 07:59.47 | Semlar | well, it's obvious that they didn't consider the maps difficult enough to work with |
| 08:00.04 | nevcairiel | thats not a "new" development =p |
| 08:00.06 | Semlar | so they wanted to add another level of complexity by rotating the coordinate planes |
| 08:00.18 | Torhal | I'm not even sure these "worldmap vignettes" even have info anymore - mousiing over them on the map doesn't show a name like it does for 7.x |
| 08:00.19 | Semlar | i know it's not new |
| 08:00.28 | AcidWeb | nebula: install: echo -e "[alias]\nclone = clone --insecure" > ~/.hgrc |
| 08:00.32 | AcidWeb | fuck it ;p |
| 08:01.42 | nebula | whatever works :p |
| 08:03.37 | AcidWeb | I think I will survive with possiblity of MITM attack that will embed false version of LibToast-1.0. |
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| 08:11.43 | Torhal | MITMs AcidWeb with LibLordFarlander. |
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| 08:16.39 | nevcairiel | now thats just pure evil |
| 08:18.53 | Torhal | Just trying to make him careful! |
| 08:20.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.01 | Semlar | alright torhal, i fixed it |
| 08:23.14 | nevcairiel | does it work with zooming the map properly |
| 08:23.29 | Semlar | it works in the sense that i parented it to the child frame so it's just scaled |
| 08:23.36 | Semlar | and i'm not fixing that |
| 08:23.47 | Torhal | You gave it scales? |
| 08:23.52 | nevcairiel | did you check how it looks in one of the new zones? |
| 08:23.56 | Semlar | nope |
| 08:23.57 | nevcairiel | because they have extreme scale values |
| 08:24.15 | nevcairiel | since they are much bigger |
| 08:24.21 | Semlar | it's sleep time |
| 08:24.26 | nevcairiel | or well the maps are bigger |
| 08:25.01 | Semlar | it does generate a ton of garbage though, so that's nice |
| 08:26.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.42 | nevcairiel | is it normally that tiny |
| 08:32.19 | Semlar | well if you're going to phrase it like that |
| 08:41.24 | Torhal | Embiggen! |
| 08:42.13 | Torhal | I'm just disabling the WORLD_MAP_UPDATE code until I have more time for research. The POI stuff either only handles minimap objects or WoW 8.x doesn't treat the four Hellbane NPCs the same. |
| 08:42.32 | Torhal | I see the crossed swords on the Tanaan map, but they have no tooltips anymore to tell what they are. |
| 08:42.46 | Torhal | And now The Blood Moon seems to have one, which IIRC it didn't before. |
| 08:43.20 | nevcairiel | if its present on the map, then some API is returning it |
| 08:43.40 | nevcairiel | inspect it with framestack to find out what it is and look for the code that makes it |
| 08:43.56 | Torhal | Yeah, but without a tooltip and the POI API not giving any data either, I'm not sure if it's just masked or I need to use another API. |
| 08:44.01 | Torhal | Ah, good point. |
| 08:46.48 | Torhal | Doesn't really tell me anything useful: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3uvvhq3a08tsn0/Screenshot%202018-07-17%2003.46.34.png |
| 08:46.53 | nevcairiel | VignettePinTemplate |
| 08:47.12 | nevcairiel | which means it comes from https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_SharedMapDataProviders/VignetteDataProvider.lua |
| 08:47.23 | Torhal | o.O |
| 08:47.51 | nevcairiel | basically, press ALT a couple times until the frame in question is actually highlighted in green |
| 08:47.59 | nevcairiel | then press CTRL to bring up the fancy inspect dialog |
| 08:48.04 | nevcairiel | and it has all them infos |
| 08:48.30 | Torhal | Aha |
| 08:48.53 | Torhal | I'm guessing this is somewhat broken, since live has tooltips and beta doesn't, but has the info that should be provided by a tooltip. |
| 08:49.36 | nevcairiel | it only gets a tooltip if vignetteInfo.hasTooltip is true |
| 08:49.39 | nevcairiel | which apparently it isnt? |
| 08:49.44 | Torhal | And hasTooltip is false. There we go. |
| 08:51.31 | Torhal | ~wowalert |
| 08:51.31 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 08:54.46 | Torhal | Eh, that's the last thing that needs updating so I'll look into it more after I wake up. If need be, I can make a release without it just to avoid gripes. |
| 08:55.26 | nevcairiel | seems like a good thing that vignettes now contain both minimap and worldmap infos, no longer multiple APIs to check |
| 08:57.06 | AcidWeb | Seething Shore aslo use vignettes. |
| 08:57.31 | AcidWeb | Only BG that do that. |
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| 09:34.33 | Torhal | Eh, that's the last thing that needs updating so I'll look into it more after I wake up. If need be, I can make a release without it just to avoid gripes". |
| 09:34.47 | nevcairiel | his cat woke up and makes him repeat |
| 09:35.01 | nevcairiel | or well, one of the army of cats |
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| 09:40.19 | Torhal | Yay, cats! |
| 09:40.51 | Andols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.13 | Cairenn | \o/ |
| 09:45.18 | Torhal | opens a wormhole to Cairenn's house and funnels all his cats through. |
| 09:45.48 | Cairenn | \o/ \o/ \o/ |
| 09:45.52 | Torhal | :O |
| 09:46.09 | Cairenn | smoogles Torhal |
| 09:46.41 | Torhal | I need a dictionary. |
| 09:46.45 | Torhal | And an adult? |
| 09:46.54 | Cairenn | heh, no |
| 09:47.00 | Torhal | No adults! |
| 09:47.13 | Cairenn | no dictionary |
| 09:47.36 | Torhal | Oh. And no adults? |
| 09:47.51 | Cairenn | Bah, adults are boring :p |
| 09:48.07 | Torhal | lol |
| 09:48.16 | Cairenn | I try to avoid adulting as much as possible |
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| 10:59.46 | ls- | nevcairiel: today is the pre-patch day and I've remembered about that vehicle fix you shared some time ago >_> damn... |
| 10:59.56 | ls- | last minute changes are a pita >_> |
| 11:02.05 | nevcairiel | perfect time to break things! |
| 11:02.14 | nevcairiel | can just b lame the patch instead |
| 11:02.44 | ls- | :D |
| 11:03.51 | haste | :D |
| 11:12.04 | Simca_ | loads of npc abilities reduced by 98% or 99%, guessing it was stuff they missed originally |
| 11:12.41 | nevcairiel | in their new balance database, or actually changing the abilities? |
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| 12:02.19 | Kesava | oh my god guys |
| 12:03.01 | Kesava | I have never had so many people saying "this update for the next version of wow which is about to be released doesn't work on the old version???" |
| 12:03.11 | Kesava | what is this |
| 12:04.08 | Kesava | should've kept the version checking in, for one day, apparently |
| 12:04.30 | haste | Or just waited with pushing :D |
| 12:04.36 | Kesava | pf |
| 12:13.04 | Simca_ | actually changing the abilities nevcairiel |
| 12:13.43 | Simca_ | also lots of nerfs to random mechanics for raids and dungeons of legion. whirlwind attack of one of moroes' guests decreased by 50%, etc. |
| 12:19.48 | Kesava | and oh my god can curse please get rid of the awful drag-in menu thing which resets your scroll position and is just generally a design nightmare |
| 12:20.20 | Kesava | I'm going to cry |
| 12:27.28 | nebula | they already used all the site dev time for the year, maybe next time |
| 12:29.23 | nebula | i wonder if Blizzard is gonna need all 8 hours of maintenance, any bets on the over/under? |
| 12:31.10 | nevcairiel | US: over, EU: under |
| 12:35.09 | nebula | i wanna say the legion prepatch was only like 3 hours or so for us |
| 12:38.31 | nevcairiel | haste: there is no good time to wait for, because US realms come up while EU realms are still up, so some idiots will update =p |
| 13:00.20 | Shockah1 | would be nice if Twitch could tell which region you play on |
| 13:00.32 | Shockah1 | or check the game version intalled |
| 13:00.36 | Shockah1 | *installed |
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| 13:28.53 | haste | nevcairiel: EU guys updating a day early can just suffer :D |
| 13:29.04 | haste | they should have learned by now |
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| 14:03.01 | [TOM_RUS] | US just got 8.0 :( |
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| 14:05.54 | nevcairiel | now to wait 8 more hours for servers to migrate and be validated |
| 14:06.20 | Funkeh` | and 2 hours on top of that for them to fix all the bugs so we get a nice stable release that only takes 4 hours |
| 14:06.42 | Alram | i'm expecting a few clients builds too the next 24-48 hours |
| 14:07.00 | Funkeh` | =p |
| 14:25.58 | ls- | didn't they push 2-3 builds at night? :p |
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| 15:43.11 | pompy1 | there was a 13.63mb update ... looks like it touched the .exe/.dll and locale files and little bit of the data folder |
| 16:13.29 | Tentacled | Fetching encoding table, 93 MB. How in the hell does some metadata amount to 93 megabytes!? |
| 16:14.09 | nevcairiel | its the metadata for 50 gigabyte or so of data |
| 16:15.45 | Tentacled | Metadata that's 1/500th of the actual data is... much, if you ask me. |
| 16:16.10 | Funkeh` | 93mb is a lot to who? |
| 16:16.16 | Tentacled | whom! |
| 16:16.54 | Tentacled | To me. Especially that now it's fetching 73 MB of updates. More metadata than actual data? What the. |
| 16:17.13 | Funkeh` | Yeah, completely irrelevant |
| 16:18.37 | Gnarfoz | you're going to have to wire up some more core memory |
| 16:19.19 | foxlit | It's probably <100b/file. I wonder if they patch encoding, though. |
| 16:21.10 | Simca_ | they don't |
| 16:21.30 | Simca_ | encoding, download, install, and patch are disallowed from being patched |
| 16:24.22 | foxlit | do the patch files for those exist anyway, with the client simply ignoring them? |
| 16:24.43 | Simca_ | if they do, they're standalone, not part of the patch archives |
| 16:25.16 | foxlit | I thought I tested patching against encoding, but maybe I misrecall. |
| 16:54.58 | Alram | Simca_ has been patching too many non-patch config builds |
| 16:55.03 | Alram | download encoding and install have patches |
| 16:55.25 | Alram | unarchived patch files though |
| 16:55.28 | Simca_ | ah yeah just not part of patch-archives |
| 16:56.09 | Alram | also encoding is a pretty big file |
| 16:56.19 | Alram | 93MB isnt too bad |
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| 17:53.14 | Alram | Servers up |
| 17:55.03 | bluspacecow | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765807133?page=1#post-2 |
| 17:55.07 | bluspacecow | neato |
| 17:55.20 | bluspacecow | AKA don't delete your PTR or Beta folders guys! |
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| 17:56.20 | Alram | I'm impressed |
| 17:56.27 | Alram | I always did that manually |
| 18:06.29 | TheDanW | fgenerally avoid hooking OnMapChanged or whatever function directly on the map, instead add a data provider to the map, which has methods you can override to be notified of a bunch of map changes, see MapCanvas_DataProviderBase.lua |
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| 18:07.41 | Torhal | For my usecase, I just listen for VIGNETTES_UPDATED and iterate on the result of C_VigneteInfo.GetVignettes() |
| 18:07.55 | Torhal | Just wasn't super-obvious to me whilst sleepy. |
| 18:08.56 | Alram | patches Torhal |
| 18:09.14 | Torhal | BTW, TheDanW: There's an unnecessary variable assignment in VignetteDataProviderMixin:RefershAllData - local mapID = self:GetMap():GetMapID(); |
| 18:09.17 | Torhal | Where mapID is never used. |
| 18:09.56 | Torhal | RefreshAllData, even. No idea why I typed that and pasted the other. |
| 18:10.29 | TheDanW | thanks! |
| 18:10.30 | Thunder_Child | I refersh all my data. |
| 18:10.42 | Torhal | ERMAGHERD REFERSH |
| 18:10.44 | TheDanW | but you're not a vignette |
| 18:11.07 | bluspacecow | *looks at Torhal* |
| 18:11.17 | bluspacecow | ERMAGHERD! GEESAUS! |
| 18:11.26 | Torhal | strands bluspacecow on the Vindicaar. |
| 18:11.28 | bluspacecow | *bows down* |
| 18:42.16 | Tentacled | TheDanW, did strict Lua error checking go live? :( |
| 18:42.31 | Tentacled | As in, warnings for missing files..? |
| 18:44.49 | Tentacled | What was that trick to kill warnings... |
| 18:46.14 | Simca_ | lua warnings are fully disabled by default... |
| 18:46.49 | Simca_ | unless that has changed |
| 18:50.24 | nevcairiel | those missing file warnings cant be disabled |
| 18:50.37 | nevcairiel | there is a cvar to disable lua warnings, except if the lua warning sets a certain flag |
| 18:50.40 | nevcairiel | and they all do =p |
| 18:50.49 | Tentacled | Damnit! |
| 18:51.00 | Tentacled | TheDanW, I'm begging you... :( |
| 18:51.10 | nevcairiel | there is no reason a release addon should trigger that |
| 18:51.13 | nevcairiel | it would just be bad design |
| 18:51.20 | nevcairiel | so disable it in your dev env and move on |
| 18:51.35 | nevcairiel | UIParent:UnregisterEvent("LUA_WARNING") or something like that |
| 18:51.50 | Tentacled | I'm loading various files depending on what users choose to have in their addon folder, for reasons. |
| 18:52.17 | nevcairiel | did you honestly believe this wouldnt move to live? =p |
| 18:52.19 | nevcairiel | get fixing now |
| 18:54.21 | Tentacled | It's not about fixing, my addon relies on users having different files on their setups. So far one "load everything, ignore what's missing" loader worked. |
| 18:54.34 | nevcairiel | and it does no longer |
| 18:54.35 | nevcairiel | hence bug |
| 18:54.37 | nevcairiel | hence fixing |
| 18:54.38 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:54.40 | Shockah1 | well make a tool which would also modify the .toc |
| 18:55.01 | Tentacled | Not hence bug; hence broken API. ;P |
| 18:55.10 | Tentacled | Hence workarounds. :P |
| 18:55.53 | nevcairiel | your design was a fragile mess |
| 18:55.53 | nevcairiel | dont complain it broke |
| 18:56.15 | TheDanW | missing files are errors, but won't be shown by default since scriptErrors cvar is 0 by default |
| 18:56.47 | TheDanW | very unlikely we'll revert it, it's an error, you told us to load a file that doesn't exist |
| 18:58.40 | Tentacled | Like I described, it worked fine so far for blanket-bomb loading whole folders of files that may or may not exist, following a naming pattern. Maybe an <include file="foo" optional=1> ? |
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| 18:58.58 | TheDanW | nope |
| 19:01.06 | Tentacled | Crap. OK, that's a nasty wrench in my gears :( </3 |
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| 19:17.32 | VIad | Kesava: I just code if-checks when expansions come to bridge the clients. GetBuildInfo can be used to then check if it runs on the BfA client and logics accordingly |
| 19:17.48 | VIad | otherwise EU will complain because EU is not on 8.0 until like 6 more hours |
| 19:18.33 | VIad | but yeah I just didnt update the addons that are flagged for 8.0 until tomorrow :d |
| 19:18.37 | nevcairiel | EU needs to learn to not update the evening before patches |
| 19:18.47 | Kesava | yeees, i removed that last night for some reason. i'll have to remember to keep it on for longer. |
| 19:18.50 | Torhal | I used to do that, but determined that my sanity was more important than people having to roll back a version. Plus, it's almost tribal knowledge now that you shouldn't update the day of a US patch if you're in EU. |
| 19:19.01 | Kesava | idd |
| 19:19.06 | Kesava | (but also the twitch client should check??) |
| 19:19.12 | Torhal | Check how? |
| 19:19.42 | Kesava | no idea |
| 19:19.50 | VIad | it has a column saying the version for the update |
| 19:19.52 | Kemayo | It knows the game version and the addon's TOC version. It could presumably not install addons with a higher TOC than the current game version. |
| 19:20.18 | Torhal | No, it doesn't know the ToC version. It knows what the author stated the version is on upload (or default latest if packager build). |
| 19:20.31 | VIad | https://i.imgur.com/vvvcJ4S.png |
| 19:20.46 | Torhal | Yeah, that isn't magically looking into the zip file to extract ToC Interface. |
| 19:20.46 | Kemayo | Well, same thing? |
| 19:20.47 | VIad | just use the versioning properly when uploading your updates and it should be easy to manage |
| 19:20.51 | Simca_ | it could determine TOC version from game version, it just doesn't |
| 19:21.01 | Simca_ | oh, you mean it doesn't know addon's toc |
| 19:21.02 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 19:21.27 | Kemayo | That said, if I had to prioritize things-to-fix-about-Twitch-client, I'd make it work properly after waking my computer from sleep. :P |
| 19:21.45 | nevcairiel | do you keep that thing resident in memory? |
| 19:21.49 | nevcairiel | just close it when not updating |
| 19:21.52 | nevcairiel | problem solved |
| 19:21.52 | Simca_ | if you upload an addon that it's marked 8.0.1 compatible only and the user is still on 7.3.5, it probably shouldn't update |
| 19:22.00 | nevcairiel | probably shouldnt |
| 19:22.01 | nevcairiel | yet iit does |
| 19:22.03 | Kemayo | I'm a lazy person. |
| 19:22.32 | VIad | I manually update anyway so no problems here |
| 19:22.40 | Kemayo | Simca_: I'd probably pick "only install 8.0.1 addons for lower versions for people with alpha/beta versions enabled" as the rule. |
| 19:22.45 | Torhal | ...someone made a ticket on NPCScan 12 minutes ago asking for a 8.0 version. |
| 19:22.48 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 19:23.12 | VIad | Torhal: can you make NPCScan play alers again when the rare is cached? I delete my cache but it never plays any sounds |
| 19:23.14 | Simca_ | to be fair i uploaded my 8.0.1 version 3 hours ago and my client still is showing me the 7.3.5 version |
| 19:23.28 | Torhal | VIad: Cache hasn't been a thing since MoP. |
| 19:23.32 | Kemayo | Vlad: the cache stuff doesn't work any more. |
| 19:23.37 | VIad | that was my joke |
| 19:23.51 | Kemayo | Ah. Darn you, text-based-sarcasm. |
| 19:23.52 | Torhal | stabs VIad with a lowercase L. |
| 19:23.59 | VIad | screams in pain. |
| 19:24.13 | Kemayo | I do wish they'd go back and add vignettes to earlier expansions. It'd make everything simpler. |
| 19:24.33 | VIad | yeah. it's probably a simple fix anyhow. |
| 19:24.46 | Torhal | Kemayo: Not sure if I was losing my mind, but it seems that in 8.0 the targeting distance has been scaled WAY back... |
| 19:24.52 | Torhal | So targeting macros might now be useless. |
| 19:24.53 | bluspacecow | deskheads |
| 19:25.14 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 19:25.21 | Kemayo | It's as if they don't want us to abuse their systems this way. ;_; |
| 19:25.33 | bluspacecow | to stay up to see which of my glitching addons get updated.... or go to bed and check then |
| 19:25.34 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 19:25.45 | VIad | scaling is weird too. at 110 a boss meant pre-wod meant for level 90 isnt benefiting of the dmg buff |
| 19:26.33 | Kemayo | goes to see how many conflicts will happen when merging in the battle branch of silverdragon after not touching it for a month. |
| 19:26.48 | bluspacecow | its dangerous to go alone! |
| 19:26.51 | bluspacecow | here take this |
| 19:27.00 | bluspacecow | hands Kemayo Torhal's mane |
| 19:30.30 | VIad | tomorrow several bug tickets in your inbox |
| 19:34.26 | Kemayo | Heh, downloads for my battle for azeroth treasures addon mysteriously doubled today. :P |
| 19:35.26 | nevcairiel | which doesnt really make that much sense |
| 19:35.41 | Kemayo | Right? It's completely useless still. |
| 19:36.27 | Thunder_Child | Well Us can't play right now right? So a good time to update or get new addons. |
| 19:36.36 | Thunder_Child | s/Us/US/ |
| 19:37.25 | nevcairiel | i thought realms are up already |
| 19:38.17 | Tentacled | They are. |
| 19:38.48 | Alram | for almost 2 hours already |
| 19:38.50 | Alram | so jealous |
| 19:39.30 | nevcairiel | which sounds like EU realms might be up before i wake up tomorrow |
| 19:41.36 | Kemayo | That said, they do seem to be having some connection issues still. |
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| 19:48.34 | Kesava | don't we usually get good treatment |
| 19:48.43 | Kesava | when i was on the us realms it was like we were the guinea pigs |
| 19:48.53 | Kesava | eu's been flawless. apart from wod |
| 19:51.39 | Simca_ | 'some connection issues' = nobody can log in |
| 19:51.55 | Simca_ | unless they were already online before the servers went to shit |
| 19:52.17 | Kemayo | I assume the login servers have quietly caught fire again, yes. :D |
| 19:52.23 | Simca_ | i've tried over 100 connection attempts, all failed |
| 19:52.40 | Kemayo | #partoftheproblem |
| 19:52.47 | Simca_ | i'm pretty confident in saying that nobody is making it online right now unless they were already at character screen or ingame |
| 19:53.17 | Torhal | I saw A-KO online briefly a bit ago. |
| 19:53.30 | Torhal | Then again, he's a Blizzardite! |
| 19:55.44 | Simca_ | jesus how many hours does it take for twitch client's cache to expire so it pulls new version lists of addons |
| 19:56.14 | Simca_ | i finally decided to force reinstall to pull down the addon version i know exists after 4 hours of it not seeing the new version |
| 19:56.17 | Torhal | No idea, but I hate it. |
| 19:56.52 | Simca_ | i understand you don't want everyone hitting the server constantly but they went entirely too far |
| 19:57.17 | nevcairiel | its fascÃnating how they failed yet again to get the absolute basics right |
| 19:57.33 | nevcairiel | but thats what happens if you make a web- based client, you also get web developers |
| 20:03.48 | Kemayo | Simca_: Just quit-and-restart will do it. What bugs me about it is that time spent with your computer in sleep doesn't seem to count against that cache timeout. |
| 20:05.15 | ls- | you can use "Clear Cache and Restart" thingy |
| 20:06.40 | ls- | 3 lines in top left corner > help > clear cache and restart |
| 20:07.20 | nevcairiel | at least curse doesnt go down anymore on such patch days, like it u sed to do a couple expansions ago |
| 20:08.13 | Torhal | Was just about to suggest restarting the app, since that's what one of the devs told me to do, but ls- beat me to it. |
| 20:08.26 | nevcairiel | i'm sure Simca_ tried a simple restart |
| 20:08.33 | nevcairiel | if he didnt, i'll laugh at him |
| 20:09.23 | nevcairiel | its like computer 101 |
| 20:09.25 | nevcairiel | restart the thing |
| 20:10.40 | ls- | stop ebkac-shaming >_> |
| 20:10.52 | nevcairiel | never |
| 20:11.07 | nevcairiel | how are you supposed to learn otherwise |
| 20:11.16 | ls- | we should organise ebkac-acceptance movement |
| 20:28.57 | Simca_ | oh no i didn't restart it, i was curious how long it was actually going to take |
| 20:29.02 | Simca_ | if i didn't |
| 20:33.19 | kd3 | eh, kinda glad I'm at work and not trying to log in |
| 20:33.27 | kd3 | we'll see what happens when I get home |
| 20:33.36 | kd3 | I may just work on beta stuff instead |
| 20:37.59 | AcidWeb | Somebody on US realm can check if C_MythicPlus.GetCurrentAffixes() return 3 or 4 values? |
| 20:49.06 | Torhal | As soon as we can log in! |
| 20:49.07 | Torhal | >.> |
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| 20:52.39 | Simca_ | friend who had been on for 2 hours or so tried to switch realms, that was a mistake |
| 20:52.54 | Simca_ | now she's playing the get disconnected game with everyone else |
| 20:53.52 | Torhal | I blame Teldrassil. |
| 20:56.15 | Kemayo | Turns out that what actually happened is they keep the login servers in Teldrassil. So when they catch fire now, it takes the whole thing with them. |
| 20:56.33 | Thunder_Child | Hmm, A guy in a full barbarian outfit just walked by my desk. That's a bit different. |
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| 21:25.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~Unkle@c-67-180-169-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:29.59 | Unkle | Station |
| 21:30.36 | Torhal | He lives! |
| 21:43.12 | Unkle | Iâm not dead, but it has been a near thing. |
| 21:43.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Andols (~yaaic@78-70-44-4-no170.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 21:44.15 | Torhal | I didn't know if you'd started manufacturing meth or were fleeing zombies. |
| 21:46.14 | Torhal | Well, I can connect now but there are only two realms: Valley of Heroes in AU and US flavors. |
| 21:47.52 | Unkle | It has been a rough year, full of personally intense and soul-crushing things. I havenât really been in a place where hanging out on IRC seemed like a good idea. :p |
| 21:48.11 | Torhal | :/ |
| 21:48.44 | Torhal | Hey, realms are up. |
| 21:49.44 | Kemayo | Sort of. They're reallllllly slow. |
| 21:50.23 | Torhal | I blame Undercity. |
| 21:50.35 | Kemayo | It knows what it did. |
| 21:50.59 | Torhal | It was in collusion with Teldrassil to prevent the update. |
| 21:51.10 | Torhal | They just want to be left alone, ya know? |
| 21:52.11 | Unkle | And turn the entire world into Forsaken |
| 21:52.30 | Torhal | I'm not sure Teldrassil would be down for all that. |
| 21:52.52 | Unkle | I think itâs viloently opposed |
| 21:53.15 | Kemayo | Yeah, trying to enter the world gets "character not found" messages. But, y'know, closer. |
| 22:05.02 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 22:05.21 | Simca_ | i went through my entire list then tried my main again, 13 CNF messages in a row |
| 22:05.30 | Simca_ | guess i'll just wait and try again later |
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| 22:32.20 | nevcairiel | man so many people on the various forums a re so full of BS |
| 22:32.50 | nevcairiel | hey look this patch has a launch hiccup, clearly this means that the bfa launch itself will be terrible because even more people from all regions will be playing then! |
| 22:36.36 | ls- | wow, who could of thunk |
| 22:36.42 | ls- | typos are on purpose |
| 22:38.53 | Torhal | Best quote so far: "All your characters are in Goldshire" |
| 22:43.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~semlar@72.189.128.149) |
| 22:47.11 | Simca_ | anyone done any actual content in 8.0.1 yet? an LFR or anything? |
| 22:47.14 | Simca_ | really curious how tuning is |
| 22:47.49 | Torhal | Only thing I've managed so far is the WOW51900102 content. |
| 22:48.19 | Simca_ | rip |
| 22:48.29 | Simca_ | still getting that? it resolved itself for me like 30 minutes ago |
| 22:48.32 | Simca_ | and most of my friends |
| 22:48.46 | Semlar | "your device driver is not compatible" > launches game |
| 22:48.58 | Torhal | I see people on my friends list in-game, but I can't get in myself. |
| 22:49.24 | Torhal | Interestingly, every time I kill the client I see "has started an update" in the BNet client, then it downloads something really small and says "ready to play" |
| 22:55.13 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~quassel@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 22:55.48 | Kemayo | What's a current well-thought-of error handler addon? |
| 22:56.09 | Semlar | bugsack? |
| 22:56.10 | Torhal | You mean like Bugsack? |
| 22:56.17 | nevcairiel | still using buggrabber/bugsack, eventhough it has some issues |
| 22:56.51 | Torhal | shakes his fist at Kemayo for being in-game. |
| 22:57.25 | Kemayo | I remember switching away from it for some reason, but I'll grant this was an expansion or two ago. |
| 22:57.47 | Semlar | i normally just use the built-in error messages |
| 22:57.54 | Torhal | I know Phanx has one called Bugger, but I have no idea how it works or if it's still maintained. |
| 22:57.59 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt even know what alternatives there are, except swatter, but i'm not using anything out of that addon suite |
| 22:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | i like how the loading screen is totally black for a second or two now |
| 22:59.26 | Mr_Rabies | Neat Feature |
| 22:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | could be because my UI is breaking THAT early, though, i suppose |
| 23:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | 92 lua errors on login |
| 23:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeet |
| 23:01.18 | Torhal | I only have on error, Mr_Rabies - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ku5bmeqp3ztn8q/Screenshot%202018-07-17%2018.01.02.png |
| 23:01.39 | Mr_Rabies | have you tried jiggling the switch |
| 23:02.18 | Torhal | I removed them. |
| 23:02.22 | Torhal | They were bothering me. |
| 23:03.21 | Kemayo | Semlar: I was hoping to suppress the "your various development versions of addons are missing files" warnings, mostly. |
| 23:03.47 | nebula | Torhal: could you please stop ddosing the login servers so i can get it |
| 23:03.53 | nebula | in* |
| 23:04.12 | nebula | Kemayo: bugsuck does that |
| 23:04.17 | Simca_ | hey nevcairiel is there an easy replacement for GetCurrentMapContinent? |
| 23:04.32 | nevcairiel | eh not really |
| 23:04.34 | Torhal | It wasn't me, nebula - it was Travis. |
| 23:04.36 | nevcairiel | depends what you want |
| 23:04.57 | Simca_ | I want the map for the current continent |
| 23:05.12 | nevcairiel | the uimapid? |
| 23:05.16 | Simca_ | so i can enumerate over the child maps and look for world quests |
| 23:05.17 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 23:06.00 | Torhal | MapUtil.GetMapParentInfo(mapID, _G.Enum.UIMapType.Continent) |
| 23:06.01 | nevcairiel | local continentInfo = MapUtil.GetMapParentInfo(currenzoneid, Enum.UIMapType.Continent) |
| 23:06.10 | Simca_ | ahhh ok |
| 23:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | i like that they're moving over to a more standardized system for some of the API stuff, but you guys are a dying breed - i hate having to stop using an addon and never finding a replacement :( |
| 23:10.59 | nevcairiel | should earn your keep for being in this channel and just update stuff |
| 23:11.22 | nebula | if Stanzilla can do it, so can you |
| 23:15.01 | Simca_ | they're using the term mapID everywhere and half the time they mean mapID and the other half they mean UIMapID |
| 23:15.08 | Simca_ | how on earth can you tell which is which |
| 23:15.42 | Simca_ | C_TaskQuest.GetQuestsForPlayerByMapID pretty sure this one is using MapID, but not 100% sure |
| 23:16.26 | nevcairiel | all of those are uiMapID |
| 23:16.33 | nevcairiel | what you call MapID is used extremely rarely in the API |
| 23:17.26 | nevcairiel | and not actually called that in the API |
| 23:17.33 | nevcairiel | continentID or instanceID, but not mapID |
| 23:17.44 | Simca_ | ok, cool |
| 23:20.11 | Mr_Rabies | what makes the "load out of date addons?" nag screen finally go away |
| 23:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | because instead of simply unchecking the box at the top, it also disables all the other addons one by one |
| 23:21.07 | nevcairiel | maybe you're pressing the wrong button |
| 23:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.imgur.com/Jdfzx16.png |
| 23:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | this one |
| 23:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | "load anyway" checks the box again, and "disable" disables each one individually in addons.txt |
| 23:22.57 | Mr_Rabies | there's nothing that just checks the box up top to not load out of date addons for some reason |
| 23:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | if i hit load anyway, it doesn't nag me, but if i uncheck the box it'll nag me again |
| 23:23.12 | Mr_Rabies | this is obnoxious lol |
| 23:24.17 | nevcairiel | why would you not check the box |
| 23:24.22 | nevcairiel | much stuff probably still works |
| 23:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | because i got like 100 lua errors and i cbf to manually disable the stuff that's broken |
| 23:25.01 | Mr_Rabies | not when most of them will be fixed in a day or two |
| 23:25.04 | nevcairiel | if clicking disable turns the addons off, thats basically the same effect was not loading out of date addons anyway |
| 23:25.08 | nevcairiel | so ... whats the problem? |
| 23:25.30 | Mr_Rabies | because i have other addons disabled for other reasons, and don't want to hit "enable all" |
| 23:25.34 | Mr_Rabies | once things are working |
| 23:25.46 | Mr_Rabies | and also don't want to remember which ones i had disabled because of things like |
| 23:25.59 | Mr_Rabies | i have inventorian and adibags, so when adibags is slow to update i still got something better than default bags |
| 23:26.07 | Torhal | Sounds to me like you need BetterAddonList or ACP so you can make profiles. |
| 23:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | i used to have ACP but once it got built in it felt pretty redundant |
| 23:26.44 | Mr_Rabies | i just want the nag screen option to just check the stupid box at the top and leave me alone |
| 23:36.00 | kd3 | so is there an official solution to force the twitch client to update? fully exit and restart? |
| 23:37.00 | nevcairiel | why isnt that the first thing people try :D |
| 23:37.25 | nevcairiel | also menu -> Help -> Clear Cache and Restart is a thing, if it does anything more, who knows |
| 23:38.10 | nebula | yea, i just quit and reopened it and stuff popped up |
| 23:38.45 | Simca_ | i did that just now to get 3 hour old outfitter update, and it still didn't see it. had to force reinstall |
| 23:41.05 | Gnarfoz | is there still a layer of "syncing" involved, where stuff that was just released doesn't show up on the client until later? |
| 23:45.20 | Simca_ | i'm guessing it's just 2 layers of caching. the server caches the list of recent addon versions and probably only goes back every hour or two to update it. the client caches the server response and probably only goes back every few hours to update it. |
| 23:45.49 | Simca_ | i mean that would be pretty classic curse tech to have about 6 layers of caching in place |
| 23:49.09 | kd3 | http://shouldiblamecaching.com/ |
| 23:50.19 | tz | kd3: thanks for that, now I have coffee inside my sinuses |
| 23:50.30 | kd3 | glad to |
| 23:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | what do failed bonus rolls reward right now? |
| 23:53.44 | Mr_Rabies | order resources? |
| 23:53.50 | Gnarfoz | AP |
| 23:53.51 | kd3 | presumably wakening essence |
| 23:54.06 | kd3 | it used to be ap, but I doubt it after today's patch |
| 23:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah all AP items are now grey afaik |
| 23:54.25 | Gnarfoz | "now"? are US servers up? |
| 23:54.25 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:54.40 | Gnarfoz | ah yeah they should be by now |
| 23:54.49 | Simca_ | they've been 'up' for like 6 hours |
| 23:54.58 | kd3 | they went up a few hours early, then the login server crashed and burned |
| 23:55.16 | Simca_ | then people finally got ingame |
| 23:55.16 | tz | servers might be up, game may not be playable because addons |
| 23:55.24 | Simca_ | then everyone was kicked randomly |
| 23:55.36 | Simca_ | so now we're back at the 99% of the population trying to login at once problem |
| 23:55.46 | Gnarfoz | so just your regular US patch day |
| 23:56.13 | Simca_ | prob won't get on for at least 2 more hours because we need to get enough people online that the login servers aren't on fire |
| 23:56.23 | Simca_ | and the mass kick that happened reset all that progress |
| 23:56.40 | kd3 | hopefully this'll kick the server team to make sure the login servers are ready for bfa. though hopefully we'll all already be logged in and they just flip the switch |
| 23:57.05 | Gnarfoz | only noobs log at launch time |
| 23:57.07 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:57.27 | Gnarfoz | also, how are the login servers still not some ridiculously automated auto-scaling thing |
| 23:57.50 | Simca_ | it's like you have a very narrow funnel filled with sand that lets one grain out at a time. after a couple hours, you are finally making headway, then the mass kick equivalent is like somebody coming over, scooping up all the sand on the ground and putting it back on top of the funnel |
| 23:58.08 | Simca_ | and now you're screwed |
| 23:58.32 | nebula | get a bigger funnel, jeez |
| 23:58.34 | Torhal | ANd scoured. |
