| 00:00.11 | Thunder_Child | foxlit always goes above and beyond. |
| 00:00.30 | Gnarfoz | mostly beyond |
| 00:00.45 | foxlit | I actually had to track down the video because googling the original wording just gave you VB tutorials. |
| 00:01.36 | Gnarfoz | the what now? |
| 00:03.13 | foxlit | https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=create+a+gui+interface+using+visual+basic |
| 00:03.14 | Gnarfoz | oh, some CSI meme, never watched that, hehe |
| 00:03.16 | Munk | Semlar: I have to manually maintain my list of these spells to provide on-release casting. |
| 00:03.28 | Munk | It's very annoying, because there's always one missing. |
| 00:08.24 | Munk | [TOM_RUS]: Can you be a dear and fetch that list for me? :) |
| 00:11.51 | Munk | foxlit: I implemented the GUI interface in visual basic (https://i.gyazo.com/fd945774858f98aa58526aace322aa0a.png) but my users still come to me and complain. |
| 00:12.21 | nevcairiel | just tell them to shuffle off |
| 00:12.52 | Munk | I just have an itch for everything that diminishes the quality of my project. |
| 00:12.53 | foxlit | the interface equivalent of printing out your essay in 52-point font. |
| 00:15.00 | Munk | Yeah it's not exactly pretty, but hardly anyone uses it anyway |
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| 00:24.13 | Munk | I tried this before, but couldn't find a common denominator. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place |
| 00:24.59 | Gnarfoz | that's a lot of targets |
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| 10:40.58 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: shouldn't custom channels be retired in favour of communities? |
| 10:45.02 | Shockah1 | can you password-lock communities? |
| 10:45.17 | nevcairiel | you can just not invite people you dont want =p |
| 10:45.59 | nevcairiel | and you can also make invite links like discord links that serve as a "password" of sorts that people can p ass on |
| 10:46.55 | Funkeh` | indeed, i don't see a password being needed |
| 10:47.04 | Funkeh` | it's basically exactly like discord |
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| 10:47.35 | nevcairiel | not sure if you can make channels in a community that only a select group of people can talk in |
| 10:47.40 | nevcairiel | didnt really bother testing it much |
| 10:50.04 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: "links that serve as a password" -> sounds problematic since these could be accidentally passed to people you don't want joining |
| 10:50.36 | Funkeh` | <Funkeh`> it's basically exactly like discord |
| 10:50.46 | Funkeh` | i.e. expirations, single uses, etc |
| 10:51.01 | nevcairiel | yeah if someone passes a password on they can also just join |
| 10:51.14 | nevcairiel | and you can turn off a link if you suspect it was mishandled |
| 10:51.18 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: and then you can change the password, problem solved :) |
| 10:51.33 | nevcairiel | and you turn off the link and kick unwanted people |
| 10:51.36 | nevcairiel | problem also solved |
| 10:51.39 | nevcairiel | its really the same thing |
| 10:51.58 | Funkeh` | no it's not, changing the password would result in you not being able to join the channel after relogging |
| 10:52.12 | nevcairiel | i guess its even better then passwords then! |
| 10:53.31 | Funkeh` | still remember all the trolls joining custom channels made by addons and changing the password when they got leader |
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| 14:49.00 | Ellypse | We had smart asses who did that with the channel joined by Totla RP 3 for broadcasted events. We know listen to the event that fires when someone adds a password and print a warning with the name of the player who did that in everyone's chat frame. It doesn't solve the issue, but some public shaming never hurts. |
| 14:49.55 | Ellypse | *Total RP 3, me cannot write me addon name right -_- |
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| 15:08.23 | foxlit | surely you just move to the next channel on the list if you notice that a password has been set to something weird. |
| 15:12.23 | foxlit | (i.e. if you can't join #totalrp3, try joining #totalrp4 instead, repeating until successful. As one person can only block so many channel names, this should eventually work) |
| 15:14.41 | mukunda | i foresee libextensiontooltip |
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| 15:31.42 | pnorman | foxlit: the problem is that later on the password goes away and new people get the first channel, and it's fragmented |
| 15:32.34 | foxlit | retry for earlier channels at leisure, broadcasting to higher channel on success. |
| 15:49.37 | foxlit | (making this non-disruptive reduces the incentive to change channel passwords, which probably does more to fix the problem than the channel-hopping itself) |
| 16:00.23 | mukunda | that would be fairly elegant tbh, if people see the channel get passworded, they move up a space until finding a free one, and then they occasionally test if the lower one is open, and then migrate back down |
| 16:02.32 | mukunda | e.g. if they're on channel 5, they test for channel 4, move there, then channel 3, until getting back to 1, and never stay on a passworded channel |
| 16:04.34 | Iriel | collaborative griefing can still make that annoying, but hopefully you're working around the occasional problem not aggressive abuse. |
| 16:08.04 | mukunda | eh, i think with that solution it would terminate collaborative griefing too, as people would migrate instantly when they see the channel locked |
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| 16:08.55 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.34 | Iriel | Yes, but a bunch of collaborators could just stake out the prospective channels and lock them at the most annoying times. |
| 16:10.13 | Iriel | If your workaround is predictable, i can grief it, especially if I have friends to help. |
| 16:12.17 | nevcairiel | luckily you can just join a community now and even have cross-realm chat! |
| 16:12.42 | foxlit | inb4 wowtorrent. |
| 16:12.45 | Funkeh` | *to the specific alliance/horde faction |
| 16:13.06 | nevcairiel | not like thats an additional limitation over chat channels :p |
| 16:13.26 | Funkeh` | just adding it in |
| 16:14.16 | foxlit | *internet connection required. |
| 16:14.20 | foxlit | *do not taunt the happy fun rock. |
| 16:14.26 | mukunda | honestly itd be a huge corner case to actually grief that system with some people (for very little negative attention due to it all being automatic/invisible), but... i can see how that sort of griefing could be done if they tried hard enough |
| 16:15.21 | mukunda | it would be a big improvement from an easy single-channel lockdown though |
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| 18:05.54 | Primer | Or was I talking here, znf? |
| 18:06.05 | znf | other part |
| 18:06.07 | ls- | no, there |
| 18:06.21 | Primer | thanks |
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| 19:27.26 | Tentacled | So... before I get too paranoid... How sane is C_ChatInfo.SendAddonMessage? Will it drop messages silently in some cases? Can messages arrive out of order? |
| 19:29.16 | foxlit | (and is that really the table it got stuffed in?) |
| 19:30.08 | Tentacled | Yes, it is. |
| 19:33.13 | foxlit | I don't think delivery is guaranteed, and I think someone complained about reordering at some point in the past. |
| 19:34.41 | Tentacled | It'd be a pretty sad state of things if we had to reimplement TCP from scratch :/ |
| 19:34.42 | foxlit | but none of this is first-hand knowledge, and nobody noted anything on the wiki, so maybe that was complete nonsense. |
| 19:41.12 | nevcairiel | re-ordering is not something you can realistically hit |
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| 19:41.20 | nevcairiel | it happens in like extreme lag scenarios |
| 19:41.24 | nevcairiel | but not in normal operation |
| 19:41.46 | nevcairiel | and it can drop messages if you go over the rate limit |
| 19:41.50 | nevcairiel | but its pretty high |
| 20:01.08 | mukunda | SendAddonMessage doesn't have a reordering problem, only the bnet addon functions |
| 20:01.22 | mukunda | ive never seen it drop messages without disconnecting you either |
| 20:03.37 | mukunda | the only ordering problem you'll see with SendAddonMessage is with other chat types, e.g. it's not guaranteed that your addon message will come before something you say in raid, etc |
| 20:07.36 | foxlit | observation: everyone and their grandmothers seem to have access to photoshop. |
| 20:13.12 | foxlit | I wonder if that's due to rampant piracy, broad institutional licensing, or people actually paying the $10/$20/month. |
| 20:13.32 | nebula | all of the above! |
| 20:17.52 | Constie | People I know either pirate actual Photoshop or use free alternatives. |
| 20:20.11 | nebula | pirating adobe stuff is pretty easy, there's a helper program that downloads and activates the things you want |
| 20:31.38 | ls- | even though I can get a free sub for adobe products at work, I still pirate PS because that creative cloud thingy is annoying >_> |
| 20:51.38 | Simca | no kidding |
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| 20:53.20 | ls- | I once got all my CC data reset for some reason, support couldn't help me, so I said f it, that's the last time I used legit PS... |
| 21:00.10 | Thunder_Child | I had a not-legit copy of adobe suite for the longest time but for $10/mo I get what I really want (Lightroom) and it just comes with PS as well. |
| 21:01.04 | Thunder_Child | And once they actually allowed me to chose where I am installing the software to in CC. Since when it first released you had no control. |
| 21:17.08 | mukunda | TheDanW: Minor thing - sometimes player links (I suppose mostly/only from addons) might have an invalid lineID, and it'd be nice if lineID was checked here to also be valid (at least > 0) - https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/27009/UnitPopup.lua#774 Otherwise the unit popup errors from trying to use the invalid playerLocation made. I've worked around it by hooking GetPlayerLink and removing |
| 21:17.08 | mukunda | invalid lineIDs entirely, but I'd prefer a less invasive fix. :) |
| 21:20.55 | TheDanW | mukunda: ok, thanks for the heads up |
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| 22:10.00 | Simca | hey anyone have a list of nameplate cvars? a friend of mine has nameplates totally broken for her (no addons) where nameplates only show up if you're looking at the mob from a camera angle behind them |
| 22:12.46 | Simca | apparently they're server-side, so deleting WTF folder or reinstallling doesn't fix them (blizzard should probably provide a way to reset all server-side cvars to solve problems like this, TheDanW) |
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| 22:17.49 | Constie | AdvancedInterfaceOptions and search for "name" or "plate"? |
| 22:19.33 | Constie | I had a similar issue with my nameplates years ago, and I think what I ended up doing was just changing the values of everything in my config.wtf that sounded nameplate-related. |
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| 22:23.52 | Simca | ah, found what i wanted on wowinterface forums: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55998 |
| 22:24.31 | nevcairiel | shouldnt all nameplate cvars with non-default values show up in the config files anyway? |
| 22:24.39 | nevcairiel | even if its saved server side, there is a local cache you can inspect |
| 22:27.00 | Simca | yeah, and i found the values set in my own local cache and suggested them to her which partially fixed the issue |
| 22:27.37 | Simca | (she can see them now but the range and conditions are weird) |
| 22:27.43 | Simca | but i would need to get her copy of her local cache to solve the issue, which is just a lot of work for the issue |
| 22:28.08 | nevcairiel | more work then have her type in every single nameplate cvar to reset it? =p |
| 22:28.29 | Simca | i mean, when it's copy and pasting a handful of macros, probably |
| 22:43.20 | nebula | just send her a weakaura that does, ez |
| 22:43.42 | nebula | does it* |
| 22:47.54 | Simca | i actually made an addon instead |
| 22:49.33 | Mr_Rabies | is there an addon out there for like "here's a bunch of rewards you missed that are super easy to get now" for things like mounts that i used to be like "wow, 1000g for a mount? not today!" |
| 22:49.46 | Mr_Rabies | and then promptly forgot about for 10 years |
| 22:53.37 | nevcairiel | i just went through my mount list some time and ventured to buy all the vendor mounts |
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| 23:41.03 | Mr_Rabies | hmm i really should do a +15 before bfa |
| 23:41.26 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't really have a resume for M+, i barely did any in legion |
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