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| 00:36.19 | tz | hmmm, what's this UnitAura helper? |
| 00:40.41 | Thunder_Child | It sounded like a reimplementation of the query so people don't have to roll their own. |
| 00:43.01 | tz | hmmm ok |
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| 09:01.40 | VIad | I tried to post something to the overwatch reddit twice, both times it was automod deleted because of random reasons lol. havent had this issue in the wow reddit. |
| 09:02.13 | VIad | literally wanted to link a picture and context in the title, apparently that's against some rules... tried to make a discussion post as it suggested, apparently not ENOUGH text like what? |
| 09:03.40 | VIad | I simply wanted to share my sadness how some of the art pieces really needs a update for 2k/4k resolution so they dont look like smears on the wall https://i.imgur.com/XEKtDvY.jpg |
| 09:04.22 | nevcairiel | are those sprays or are they always there |
| 09:04.25 | VIad | innocent post I'm sure others like me would show some compassion to the artwork in the game and agree it needs some love. but reddit rules :D |
| 09:04.30 | VIad | no those are like decorations |
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| 09:04.50 | nevcairiel | only the wide group picture looks really bad, the others seem fine |
| 09:04.52 | VIad | you can kind of see the older art assets and the newer once based on their resolution |
| 09:05.03 | VIad | yeah it's from the older game assets |
| 09:05.19 | VIad | it's just as you get into 2k and later 4k it will just get worse and worse up close :< |
| 09:05.39 | nevcairiel | thats more a factor of screen size not resolution |
| 09:05.50 | VIad | fair enough :p |
| 09:06.05 | nevcairiel | that image there probably wont look good on any res =p |
| 09:06.09 | VIad | but even on the work screen 1080p (downscaled image) it also looks like crap, and the physical size is smaller here too. |
| 09:06.22 | VIad | it's probably 260x80 or something |
| 09:06.50 | VIad | shame since its like the original overwatch group picture, one would assume it would get some more love than that few pixels |
| 09:07.10 | VIad | didnt look as bad back in the day when I played on a crappier monitor and everything was looking smeared anyway :P |
| 09:07.50 | VIad | but yeah I guess I got to share my feelings with you instead nevcairiel wich is better than sharing with reddit |
| 09:14.46 | VIad | nevcairiel: I can recommend some best practices sticky post on wowpedia or wowinterface about the whole UnitAura/UnitBuff/UnitDebuff changes, CLEU, and how to deal with mixin based skinning/hooking optimally. I was curious what your stance was on UnitAura change. |
| 09:15.18 | VIad | I just imagine some horrible implementations from weakaura users that will spread like wildfire because it works, though the cost of CPU will skyrocket xD |
| 09:15.49 | VIad | seem some of these wago scrips, like really weirdly unoptimized code that eats 20 fps easily in fights, eww. |
| 09:15.51 | nevcairiel | with any luck there will be the built-in wrapper in a future beta build |
| 09:16.20 | nevcairiel | but if you use it unwisely it being inefficient wont change that |
| 09:16.41 | nevcairiel | personally i mostly just use simple WAs without much custom scripting, just buff tracking and the like |
| 09:17.05 | VIad | I agree. I've seen too many WAs used to replace addons |
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| 09:17.57 | VIad | easily leads to bad custom scripts that are inefficient because of lack of knowledge how WA works internally, when things are called and how |
| 09:18.31 | nevcairiel | the entire nature of it makes it inefficient to build entire addons in it like some people like to do |
| 09:18.35 | nebula | some people design their entire with WAs, kills me on the inside |
| 09:18.40 | nebula | entire UI* |
| 09:19.22 | VIad | there was a popular priest insanity bar, it was in WA for so long, and it was soooo bloated and inefficient. |
| 09:19.43 | VIad | like finally became an addon, though probably still inefficient, but I haven't checked :P |
| 09:19.47 | nevcairiel | i could understand secondary power bars like that, but i dont play a spec with one, so shrug |
| 09:20.02 | VIad | they put too much checks that run every frame |
| 09:20.14 | VIad | because its easier than to update on events and such :P |
| 09:20.29 | nevcairiel | sounds like fun |
| 09:20.36 | nevcairiel | events? screw those, lets poll OnUpdate |
| 09:20.37 | VIad | all those custom scripts on every frame as those I am highly sceptical about |
| 09:20.42 | nebula | it's only when they're creating a ton of tables or something each frame that it becomes an issue, really |
| 09:21.02 | nevcairiel | polling a bunch of Lua APIs OnUpdate when they have events also doesnt sound nice |
| 09:22.18 | VIad | what surprised me was calling the CLEU API doesn't throw anything when called outside it's use case |
| 09:22.39 | VIad | I expected throws for anything used wrongly, like item sets not existing throwing errors and such :D |
| 09:22.58 | VIad | I guess it's nice it silently fails by returning nils |
| 09:23.01 | nevcairiel | does it return nothing or return the last event, that would be the question |
| 09:23.12 | VIad | doing /dump was just nil for me |
| 09:23.31 | VIad | could be fun to try OnUpdate and see what happens... |
| 09:23.36 | VIad | if you dump it every frame |
| 09:23.41 | nevcairiel | better not |
| 09:23.50 | VIad | just to see if it always gives nil or not |
| 09:24.00 | VIad | I suspect it needs to be called from the right environment to return anything |
| 09:24.17 | VIad | dunno if CLEU event functions run a bit differently to let the API function |
| 09:24.43 | nevcairiel | the C code will probably just clear the storage of the CLEU arguments after it returned from Lua |
| 09:24.52 | nevcairiel | so there is nothing to return for the function |
| 09:26.39 | VIad | looked into the mixin a bit more. it gets funky when mixins inherit mixins in such ways that you can sometimes hook the baseline mixin and a higher up mixin would call your hook... |
| 09:27.08 | VIad | so you can't always assume mixins using other mixins actually copy the references of it all, some do call from lua baseline functions from the original mixin |
| 09:27.18 | nevcairiel | hooking mixins should be done carefully anyway, hook the wrone one and you might end up spreading taint all over |
| 09:27.21 | VIad | I can't remember a specific example atm, but it does layer more complexity |
| 09:27.46 | nevcairiel | and that doesnt sound right, a mixin that uses another mixing just acts like a normal object that uses a mixin, it copies the stuff over |
| 09:28.00 | VIad | originally the reason I even look into this, is to try hook the quest mixins and hide widgets on the map related to quests I don't have on the tracker (this way it clears the map for me from stuff I don't care to do atm) |
| 09:28.29 | nevcairiel | dont even need to hook the mixin itself for that, since there is only one map |
| 09:28.51 | nevcairiel | although finding the instance of that data provider is a bit tricky |
| 09:29.02 | VIad | technically dan said we can now make more world maps |
| 09:29.07 | VIad | since it's all template and mixin based |
| 09:29.10 | nevcairiel | yes you could |
| 09:29.20 | nevcairiel | but i'm not sure why! |
| 09:29.22 | VIad | :D |
| 09:29.28 | VIad | its just to keep stuff modern I guess |
| 09:29.30 | nevcairiel | the flight map is a second "world map" |
| 09:29.35 | nevcairiel | and the battlefield map as well |
| 09:29.51 | nevcairiel | all the same base code |
| 09:31.17 | nevcairiel | but those serve very specific purposes |
| 09:32.21 | VIad | maybe we can finally make carbonite like maps easier, hmm |
| 09:32.33 | VIad | since you can use the API now independently of "a world map" |
| 09:33.14 | nevcairiel | i dont like that style of maps |
| 09:33.16 | VIad | gw2 minimap stretches out to become a world map when you open the map, could be a fancy feature. 1 map for both purposes :D |
| 09:33.27 | nevcairiel | the minimap tiles are too busy to really use for navigation |
| 09:33.46 | nevcairiel | also the drawn maps look nice |
| 09:34.00 | nevcairiel | but it really wouldnt be hard to do |
| 09:34.17 | nevcairiel | just plug a data provider into the world map |
| 09:34.31 | VIad | but can the world map like, drag to the next zone? |
| 09:34.38 | nevcairiel | position it on the appropriate frame level to sit above the default style but below all pins etc |
| 09:34.44 | VIad | atm the iffyness with the map is how jarring it is to go to neighbor zones by clicking |
| 09:34.51 | nevcairiel | guess if you want that, you need to do more work |
| 09:34.54 | VIad | yea |
| 09:35.07 | VIad | like google maps, drag to go into the next zone, no click :p |
| 09:35.09 | nevcairiel | you could use a continent map with zooming |
| 09:35.37 | nevcairiel | just need to find a way to disable the switch to zone maps |
| 09:36.12 | VIad | hmm, I wonder if you can use the map template but like, avoid loading the standard providers. |
| 09:37.05 | nevcairiel | i think those are added in the OnLoad of the worldmapframe mixin, you could use that and just not call the OnLoad |
| 09:37.47 | nevcairiel | but all sorts of map elements come from the standard providers, might want to keep some of those |
| 09:37.53 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:38.14 | nevcairiel | its interesting how every map elements is just another data provider now |
| 09:38.22 | nevcairiel | the provider api is also pretty easy to use from addons |
| 09:38.33 | VIad | jupp |
| 09:38.40 | nevcairiel | which makes things like keeping pins properly aligned when zooming and paning the map easy |
| 09:38.49 | nevcairiel | so much code i could delete :d |
| 09:38.58 | VIad | even added tons of coordinate related stuff |
| 09:39.09 | VIad | to transpose between maps and such |
| 09:39.22 | nevcairiel | although i still have one map addon i need to update because i somehow inhereited it |
| 09:39.28 | VIad | HBD? |
| 09:39.36 | VIad | ah map addon |
| 09:39.39 | nevcairiel | nah thats my original creation =p |
| 09:39.52 | VIad | you might be able to drop a lot of code with the new API |
| 09:39.58 | nevcairiel | not sure how many people actually still use Routes, but it still needs updating |
| 09:40.12 | VIad | I used Routes a lot until it stopped working :< |
| 09:40.21 | nevcairiel | should be working fine in legion |
| 09:40.46 | VIad | I also didnt have a farm prof in legion :< |
| 09:40.53 | nevcairiel | but it uses a lot of manual map drawing for the lines etc |
| 09:40.55 | VIad | bloods replaced my need to farm herbs for my alch |
| 09:41.02 | nevcairiel | will see how i c an figure that into the new system |
| 09:42.59 | nevcairiel | but first going to finish all my own addons |
| 09:43.09 | VIad | my list grows shorter every expac |
| 09:43.14 | VIad | I only update those I see gets use |
| 09:43.20 | VIad | and those I use personally still :P |
| 09:43.27 | nevcairiel | i use all my own things =p |
| 09:43.34 | VIad | makes sense |
| 09:43.42 | nevcairiel | because if i dont, they stop working quickly anyway :D |
| 09:43.46 | VIad | :D |
| 09:44.23 | nevcairiel | routes is the one thing i havent really actively used for a few expansions |
| 09:44.41 | nevcairiel | in Legion the herb density in the zones was so high that you could just fly a few circles to collect stuff anyway |
| 09:45.33 | VIad | for bfa this probably wont need my attention either https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/96/572/rollhistory.png |
| 09:46.03 | nevcairiel | i suppose this was more f or raid drops? =p |
| 09:46.08 | nevcairiel | and not primals :D |
| 09:46.22 | VIad | ofc. it was just any group roll type thing, to quickly see what people rolled :P |
| 09:46.30 | VIad | like mount dropped, 3 needed, ok |
| 09:47.14 | VIad | I can update my candybuckets addon to instead be a dataprovider now |
| 09:47.21 | VIad | https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/candy-buckets |
| 09:47.31 | VIad | used HBD to draw icons on the maps |
| 09:47.43 | VIad | where the various stuff are related to some world events |
| 09:47.46 | nevcairiel | more crucially you need to migrate all zone ids |
| 09:48.15 | VIad | oh yeah, how many ID systems are there now in bfa to refer to stuff on the world map? |
| 09:48.20 | VIad | mapID zoneID areaID |
| 09:48.26 | VIad | instanceID |
| 09:48.32 | nevcairiel | actually far less then before |
| 09:48.42 | VIad | we use the mapID these days? :o |
| 09:48.48 | VIad | (or for bfa) |
| 09:49.04 | nevcairiel | everything map-related got removed and replaced by the new uiMapID in BfA, plus the instanceID, but that refers to something else entirely |
| 09:49.24 | VIad | uiMapID hmm ok |
| 09:50.17 | nevcairiel | whats the first collection event a fter lanch |
| 09:50.20 | nevcairiel | launch |
| 09:50.24 | nevcairiel | halloween i guess |
| 09:50.36 | nevcairiel | got some time :p |
| 09:51.46 | VIad | yeah! |
| 09:51.58 | VIad | I know notes on map addons exist, but I prefer to track them with questIDs |
| 09:52.08 | VIad | and simply hide as the character is flagged completed for those pins |
| 09:52.21 | VIad | makes it a bit easier to go through what is left to visit |
| 09:52.25 | nevcairiel | i always use the HN variants of those, they also do the quest tracking |
| 09:52.42 | VIad | HN didn't back in the day |
| 09:52.43 | nevcairiel | https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/handynotes_hallowsend etc |
| 09:52.51 | VIad | hence why I made my own :d |
| 09:53.04 | nevcairiel | not sure if ethan knows that he needs to do some work |
| 09:53.14 | nevcairiel | although I made HN nice and actually translate zone ids for you |
| 09:53.28 | nevcairiel | just if you want to support new BfA zones, you need to work for it |
| 09:54.12 | VIad | y |
| 09:54.21 | VIad | I'll experiment to do it as a dataprovider |
| 09:54.29 | VIad | true bfa style :p |
| 09:54.37 | nevcairiel | thats what I would recommend |
| 09:54.39 | VIad | oh also earlier about mixin stuff, look at this |
| 09:54.45 | VIad | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_WorldMap/Blizzard_WorldMap.lua#82 |
| 09:54.48 | nevcairiel | you can just keep using HBD-Pins, it registers its own data provider |
| 09:54.58 | nevcairiel | but making your own is also very easy |
| 09:55.24 | VIad | I'll have to look at it, I don't mind to use HBD but I never say no to see if it's easier to do my own pins with the new system, will have to try |
| 09:55.27 | nevcairiel | even better, would only need to override AddStandardDataProviders :p |
| 09:55.43 | VIad | but the world map mixin calls a MapCanvasMixin that is a global thingy |
| 09:55.52 | VIad | not something that CreateFromMixin |
| 09:55.55 | VIad | like most do |
| 09:56.06 | nevcairiel | MapCanvasMixin is its "parent" |
| 09:56.23 | VIad | that file has no local MapCanvasMixin = ... defined |
| 09:56.35 | VIad | or like local MapCanvasMixin = CreateFromMixin(...) |
| 09:56.41 | nevcairiel | but if you want to call a parent function as well as override it, you need to explicitly call it like that |
| 09:57.02 | VIad | most mixins are used by copying the original object properties |
| 09:57.09 | VIad | but this particular one just uses the mixin directly |
| 09:57.45 | VIad | so I suspect MapCanvasMixin is shared across the UI and you can hook its functions and the hook will be called by the code just calling it like the world map does |
| 10:00.14 | VIad | I did a quick search for "MapCanvasMixin" in the interface files, and this particular mixin is always used directly by other code, except BFAMission and OrderHallMission xml files that copy from it using the mixin property in xml |
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| 10:01.00 | VIad | so if you simply wanna change the world map behavior and you just happen to wanna hook MapCanvasMixin you can just hook the particular functions on that object and it would be called everywhere else blizz calls its functions. |
| 10:01.09 | VIad | minus the garrisonUI mission stuff |
| 10:01.23 | VIad | I think there are more mixins used like that, like static classes or something |
| 10:02.03 | nevcairiel | that cant be right though, t he final WorldMapFrame definitely has the MapCanvasMixin functions in it |
| 10:02.03 | VIad | it begs to question, what exactly does MapCanvasMixin do? |
| 10:02.09 | VIad | hmm |
| 10:02.21 | VIad | but the lua code also calls specific MapCanvasMixin methods on the global |
| 10:02.39 | nevcairiel | like I said, you need to do that if you override/enhance functions |
| 10:02.56 | nevcairiel | if you have an OnLoad in your object, and the Mixin also has an OnLoad, then the mixin OnLoad would not get called |
| 10:03.00 | nevcairiel | unless you call it explicitly |
| 10:03.00 | VIad | I get that |
| 10:03.13 | VIad | I was only talking about the exception when some are used like static classes |
| 10:04.02 | VIad | if you look at https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_WorldMap/Blizzard_WorldMap.lua and search for occurences of MapCanvasMixin the code does call the static class of MapCanvasMixin :p |
| 10:05.02 | nevcairiel | its a bit confusing, but the final object gets the MapCanvasMixin also mixed in |
| 10:05.23 | nevcairiel | because WorldMapFrameTemplate inherits from MapCanvasFrameTemplate, and MapCanvasFrameTemplate has the MapCanvasMixin specified |
| 10:05.41 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:05.59 | VIad | so it has a copy of MapCanvasMixin onto itself but also calls the static mixin of MapCanvasMixin :D |
| 10:06.22 | VIad | it's a bit odd why it would have to do that, because suddenly it feels like MapCanvasMixin acts like the old world map? |
| 10:06.32 | VIad | if you cloned the world map template and made 2 maps |
| 10:06.36 | nevcairiel | no, it calls that because the WorldMapMixin overrides those functions, and you also want to call the "parent" function |
| 10:06.49 | nevcairiel | it passes its current "self" in, so its not static |
| 10:06.58 | VIad | hmm ah |
| 10:07.28 | VIad | but it's kind of funky :D |
| 10:07.28 | nevcairiel | its similar to hooking |
| 10:07.38 | nevcairiel | if you hook a function you might still want to call the original |
| 10:07.42 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:07.44 | nevcairiel | thats basically what it does |
| 10:07.56 | VIad | makes it much easier to then hook the maps if addons hook MapCanvasMixin |
| 10:08.05 | VIad | since it would call some of the functions at some points in time |
| 10:08.13 | VIad | like the OnLoad I guess |
| 10:08.15 | nevcairiel | well if you only care a bout OnEvent and the few special ones =p |
| 10:08.19 | VIad | y |
| 10:08.30 | VIad | the whole map is load on demand now or? |
| 10:08.38 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:08.41 | VIad | since all these mapcanvas and map and dataproviders are in addon folders |
| 10:08.52 | nevcairiel | Blizzard_WorldMap is still loaded always |
| 10:09.11 | VIad | I guess addons can use LoadWith if you wanna hook it |
| 10:09.34 | VIad | or LoadWith the MapCanvas addon if you wanna do some earlier stuff before the WorldMap addon codel oads |
| 10:11.14 | VIad | sorry to bore you, just mixin complexity rises if you wanna fully map the relations :D |
| 10:11.32 | VIad | some sort of a dependency graph table thing would be a godsend for bfa |
| 10:12.02 | VIad | automatically build all these inheritance and relations between the code and load orders and whatnot, would help to figure out where to place your own code |
| 10:12.12 | nevcairiel | its a bit odd that WorldMapMixin doesnt directly inherit from MapCanvasMixin, but i suppose there might be conflict problems because it already inherits it through the frame template |
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| 10:36.55 | AcidWeb | So they removed SSAA from AA dropdown but resolution scale slider is still here. |
| 10:38.50 | nevcairiel | personally i always used advanced aynway since i like a bit of MSAA + SSAA |
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| 11:25.47 | nevcairiel | thats usually not advisable |
| 11:26.07 | nevcairiel | besides the options WoW offers are pretty good |
| 11:26.19 | nevcairiel | especially if you have the graphics power to run 150% or 200% |
| 11:26.39 | MiRai | I don't think you can use the NVCP to force AA on DX11+ games anyway |
| 11:26.50 | MiRai | perhaps a select few with specific flags, but not for most |
| 11:27.33 | MiRai | SGSSAA works with DX11 if the game already had MSAA built in, but that isn't necessary with WoW because of MSAA Alpha Test or whatever it's called |
| 11:27.57 | nevcairiel | yeah i love that it offers that, i hate jaggies so much and wow uses alpha textures all over the place |
| 11:28.47 | nevcairiel | and with wow being so cpu limited usually, i can just crank up the GPU-related settings without a ny fps drops anyway |
| 11:29.07 | MiRai | indeed |
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| 11:30.36 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 11:35.20 | VIad | bfa seems to bring a lot of optimizations that ease some of the cpu limitations, but hard to test as beta client is a bit clunky by nature with all debugging stuff going on |
| 11:36.58 | nevcairiel | the beta definitely runs better in many places then legion does |
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| 11:37.09 | nevcairiel | especially in like boralus, which is such a detailed and busy city |
| 11:37.17 | nevcairiel | dalaran is much smaller and runs much worse |
| 11:38.48 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 11:39.24 | AcidWeb | also in latest build i have way less fps spikes in boralus |
| 11:39.45 | nevcairiel | the latest build once again reset graphics settings, just in case that also reduced it for you =p |
| 11:40.06 | AcidWeb | im aware ;p |
| 11:45.09 | VIad | did blizz remove max quest limit or still justh iding the info? |
| 11:45.51 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I still use Routes, and it still drives me batty. |
| 11:46.09 | nevcairiel | i didnt think you even still played |
| 11:46.20 | VIad | what do you play, Torhal? |
| 11:46.24 | Torhal | The HUGE list of zones, the fact that you can create multiple routes per zone but have no actual way to switch between them on the fly... |
| 11:46.33 | Torhal | Warlock. |
| 11:46.46 | Torhal | Well, I generally don't, but the past two months I've been. |
| 11:46.50 | nevcairiel | feel free to improve it, i just keep it on life support |
| 11:47.07 | VIad | death bed support |
| 11:47.11 | Torhal | Hah |
| 11:48.14 | VIad | I wonder if semlars map addon that draws a line between the player and the direction they face, is codable now as a dataprovider as well |
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| 11:50.41 | VIad | https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/mapline |
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| 15:10.12 | VIad | nevcairiel: the new uiMapID seems to be defined in AreaTable.db2 in one of the columns. |
| 15:12.17 | VIad | nvm it wasnt |
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| 15:55.42 | VIad | says 200 ms on beta but feels like 10 seconds |
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| 16:41.16 | Tentacled | TheDanW: Not to beat a dead horse deader, but the FlightMap still has taxis on Tiragarde slightly off mark. They're consistently shifted northeast. |
| 16:42.21 | Tentacled | It'd be spot on if they were moved by about 75% icon width southwest. |
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| 17:25.39 | TheDanW | Tentacled: yeah, it's trickier to fix than one might imagine |
| 17:26.06 | nevcairiel | another thing that annoyed me personally, if you walk into a building in boralus, it switches to the tirisgarde map instead of keeping the boralus map |
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| 17:26.37 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: Yeah, the market harbor was fixed to belong to Boralus lately, but not the buildings near the market. |
| 17:26.48 | TheDanW | VIad: i'd highly recommend avoiding hooks onto MapCanvas or WorldMap, the API is there to help you! |
| 17:29.32 | Tentacled | Also, Dazar'alor pier is mostly in Dazar'alor, but the very tip of it, where the ships dock, are in Zuldazar. |
| 17:29.41 | Tentacled | are=is |
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| 17:30.37 | Tentacled | The whole Dazar'alor map seems forcibly crammed into one image, if you ask me - sides are empty, but it's awfully busy from top to bottom. I wish it would get downscaled to get some margin, and to make the whole harbor fit on the map. |
| 17:33.12 | Tentacled | I see no reason why Zanchul, a hostile area, needs to be on the same detailed map as the Great Seal, the Horde capital, hogging space at the top. |
| 17:46.58 | Tentacled | There, fixeded it!!123 https://i.imgur.com/y728x9v.png |
| 17:47.15 | nevcairiel | whats with the horde icon |
| 17:47.50 | Tentacled | It's there. It's some war-thingy. |
| 17:48.07 | Tentacled | War Headquarters (PvP). |
| 17:48.17 | nevcairiel | so out of th city? |
| 17:48.32 | Tentacled | Out of the city. |
| 17:48.51 | Tentacled | https://i.imgur.com/Vldj1j3.png |
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| 18:04.32 | Tentacled | TheDanW: if moving taxi icons on the map is trickier than expected, then move the map art... :> |
| 18:04.58 | Tentacled | I mean, art on the map, not the texture as it is. :> |
| 18:07.34 | TheDanW | that's also tricky ;p |
| 18:13.24 | Solanya | Just remove all the flightmasters, problem solved ! :D |
| 18:17.03 | Tentacled | Use Flight Whistle to teleport to a chosen FM, problem solved! :P |
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| 19:12.04 | Andols | Tell the world builders to move the flightmaster! |
| 19:22.59 | Gnarfoz | tell the flight masters to move the world! |
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| 19:30.55 | Thunder_Child | They already do. What you don't realize is the when you mount up, you stay still and the world moves below you. |
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| 20:04.35 | VIad | the new uiMapUI system, is there like a source over the IDs so I can map out the old system with the new one and convert my database? |
| 20:06.18 | nevcairiel | not as such |
| 20:06.34 | nevcairiel | there is however https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_Deprecated/UIMapIDToWorldMapAreaID.lua |
| 20:06.40 | VIad | oh |
| 20:07.07 | nevcairiel | HereBeDragons also has HBD-Migrate that includes that data if you need to do it ingame |
| 20:07.26 | VIad | I was considering to store all my DB using world positions |
| 20:07.42 | VIad | and simply use C_Map.GetMapPosFromWorldPos to get the currently viewed maps coordinates (if applicable) |
| 20:08.30 | nevcairiel | thats a bit costly though as you need to run that over every single pin for basically every zone |
| 20:08.32 | VIad | world pos is the old UnitPosition data? with raw x,y related to the map |
| 20:08.34 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:10.14 | VIad | my worry is how maps got sub maps these days |
| 20:10.36 | nevcairiel | are the thigns you care about inside those sub-areas? because if not, then you really dont need to care |
| 20:10.44 | VIad | I guess |
| 20:11.13 | VIad | when boralus gets a candy buckets for halloween I could simply add 2 nodes in my db for each uiMapID version I guess |
| 20:11.25 | nevcairiel | thats what addons did in the past |
| 20:12.10 | VIad | ugh headache atm cant think too well but wrote some notes for the weekend. |
| 20:15.16 | nevcairiel | as an alternative you can also add a list of "secondary" map ids a pin should show up on and translate between those |
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| 21:47.30 | Primer | sigh, I miss working on addons... |
| 21:47.44 | Primer | Did GetUnitPitch() get put back? :/ |
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| 21:56.11 | nevcairiel | why would you expect that to happen :D |
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| 22:29.59 | Primer | So I can re-sub and start working on my addon again |
| 22:30.35 | Thunder_Child | Stop being a one-trick addon dev. |
| 22:31.10 | Primer | My other addon was killed by the removal of GetPlayerMapPosition() (from memory...whatever that one was called) |
| 22:31.15 | Primer | Both were removed in 7.1.5 |
| 22:31.44 | nevcairiel | positioning is still quite here, unless you entirely relied on positions within instances |
| 22:33.01 | Primer | It was an arrow addon for PB4 |
| 22:33.18 | Primer | To show specifically where raid/party people were in instance |
| 22:33.19 | Primer | s |
| 22:49.07 | Thunder_Child | There is probably going to be enough addons falling by the wayside with BfA that you could find something new to make. |
| 22:50.54 | Tentacled | Hmm. Speaking of positioning in instances. Is it possible to detect the position of the Map Ping animation? :> |
| 22:52.26 | Primer | Yeah, but the one addon was my baby, and I really enjoyed using it. The second was just incredibly useful, and something I had always wanted since forever, which is why I wrote it. |
| 22:53.43 | nevcairiel | Tentacled: no, its part of the secure UnitPositionFrame type |
| 22:54.00 | nevcairiel | the Lua world does never k now where the player is |
| 22:54.43 | Tentacled | I hoped C code would set the position for the frame or something. :P |
| 22:56.28 | Tentacled | Bad hack: "click your arrow on map, we'll update waypoint angles" XD |
| 22:57.05 | Primer | My addon used to calculate waypoint angles... |
| 22:57.11 | Primer | sigh... |
| 22:57.39 | Primer | I think I just want an excuse to start playing again |
| 22:57.51 | Thunder_Child | You shound't need one. |
| 22:57.53 | Tentacled | You can have your friends click their arrows on the map to send you coords via addon chat. |
| 22:57.56 | Thunder_Child | shouldn't* |
| 22:58.10 | Tentacled | It'd almost be pencil and paper, like the old days! |
| 23:00.28 | Tentacled | I wonder. Does Minimap Ping cause a reaction for party members out of minimap range? |
| 23:00.55 | nevcairiel | i would think the server would filter those, since it knows where the players are anyway |
| 23:01.28 | Tentacled | So MINIMAP_PING can only arrive with coords in the range of -0.4..0.4, roughly? |
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| 23:03.36 | nevcairiel | i dont even know what sorts of coordinates the minimap ping sends you |
| 23:04.11 | Tentacled | -0.5...0.5, -0.5...0.5 - apparently. |
| 23:04.22 | Tentacled | x offset, y offset from sender. |
| 23:05.13 | nevcairiel | sounds like s imple frame coordinates from the minimap center |
| 23:05.14 | Tentacled | If party member clicked themselves but far away, I hoped I'd get a MINIMAP_PING(12,-4) or something. |
| 23:05.29 | nevcairiel | ie. it pre-computes all that for you |
| 23:05.35 | Tentacled | Instance echolocation ;) |
| 23:06.37 | nevcairiel | you could also make a rough map of everyone from distance measurements |
| 23:07.57 | Tentacled | Distance measurements using what, spells? |
| 23:08.20 | Tentacled | or UnitDistanceSquared... |
| 23:08.26 | nevcairiel | spells, items, whatever you have available |
| 23:08.31 | nevcairiel | that doesnt work in instances |
| 23:08.35 | Tentacled | Bah. |
| 23:08.52 | nevcairiel | its quite inaccurate since you dont have items or spells for every possible distance |
| 23:08.52 | Tentacled | There goes that idea. :D |
| 23:08.55 | nevcairiel | so quite rough =p |
| 23:09.28 | Tentacled | Oh oh oh but your party members could send you their minimap zone name! In dungeons you'd at least know which room they're in. :> |
| 23:09.42 | nevcairiel | cant you query that |
| 23:09.49 | nevcairiel | hm maybe not subzones |
