| 00:04.38 | Funkeh` | > The default UI no longer offers the option to find a group for non-elite quests. The option is still there for Elite quests. |
| 00:05.51 | Funkeh` | can't remember who it was I was saying "the default ui works fine" |
| 00:06.00 | Funkeh` | basically, "what the fuck" |
| 00:06.19 | tz | what a travesty |
| 00:10.46 | Munk | I wonder what's causing this bug, but at the same time I kinda like carrying four swords. https://imgur.com/a/iRe4RZ0 |
| 00:11.50 | Torhal | Munk: Reminds me of https://voices.clickhole.com/modern-video-games-are-giving-kids-unrealistic-standard-1825124240 |
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| 00:25.31 | Munk | I fully agree with her sentiment. I was conditioned by WoW to summon mounts out of thin air, and eventually lost my bike. |
| 00:26.00 | Torhal | :O |
| 00:28.12 | Munk | It was the change from carrying mounts in your inventory to the collection interface that caused it. |
| 00:29.31 | Torhal | ...you were carrying your bike? |
| 00:31.27 | Munk | No, I acquired it once and expected to have it with me at all times even though I dismounted. |
| 00:31.35 | Torhal | Oh. |
| 00:33.40 | Munk | TheDanW: Hypothetically, would there be any downsides to allowing target by GUID? |
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| 00:38.54 | TheDanW | in general guids are transient enough that "hardcoding" them wouldn't be worthwhile, in all other cases that we either provide a unit token for them, or would rather you not target them arbitrarily (like from combat log or addon comms) |
| 00:39.44 | tz | unit_spellcast_start -> check if interrupt, save guid, change interrupt macro to auto-target that guid, profit |
| 00:40.09 | tz | or are we talking about using guid in place of unitid |
| 00:40.11 | tz | for api funcs |
| 00:40.15 | tz | 'cause that would be wonderful |
| 00:42.24 | Munk | TheDanW: My use case is actually looting, which works fine as long as you don't target anything else per TARGETLASTHOSTILE. Considering you'd still need to set the attribute on a secure frame to actually perform the action, it couldn't be used in combat anyway. |
| 00:46.23 | Munk | tz: How is that useful if you're in combat? You can't transfer data from events onto secure frames that way. |
| 00:50.27 | TheDanW | Munk: i see, looting is a different beast, it would take some consideration |
| 00:51.31 | tz | ahh but doing things like querying auras by guid would be awesome |
| 00:52.05 | tz | dealing with different unitid->guid mappings is a pain in the backside |
| 00:57.05 | Munk | TheDanW: I'm currently hacking my way around the problem to provide mouse-less looting. Provided a GUID and CanLootUnit, I can use TARGETLASTHOSTILE to reacquire the dead NPC and loot. |
| 00:57.24 | Munk | When you follow the rule of "don't target anything in the interim", it works like this: https://gfycat.com/BitesizedSlightKillerwhale |
| 00:57.43 | Munk | If you don't follow the rule, you have to use your mouse cursor: https://gfycat.com/DizzyBothArthropods |
| 00:58.22 | Munk | This consistency problem is a problem for my user base and a lot of people perceive the feature as bugged, rather than limited by API. |
| 01:03.07 | TheDanW | yeah, the API wasn't design for gamepads :) |
| 01:03.29 | foxlit | Munk: when out of lockdown, you could spam /targetexact name until you find the corpse you wanted, which might work slightly more often. |
| 01:03.49 | Munk | foxlit: Pretty sure any kind of /target doesn't work on dead stuff. |
| 01:05.11 | foxlit | Odd, wonder what causes people to misuse [nodead] then. |
| 01:05.11 | Munk | Also very bad in areas with NPCs that have the same name. |
| 01:05.48 | Munk | No, /targetexact works as you suggested, but it would be terrible on any kind of boar quest. |
| 01:06.10 | foxlit | Meh, whats a few hundred slash commands in response to a user action betweeb friends? |
| 01:07.02 | Thunder_Child | betweeb? Indeed. |
| 01:07.24 | Munk | TheDanW: Yep, I've noticed, and hacked endlessly to supplement it. Just figured this is probably fairly easy to implement and doesn't hurt the game. |
| 01:12.07 | TheDanW | unfortunately anything involving targeting and guids is complicated just because of potential for abuse |
| 01:12.50 | tz | what about queries, then? UnitAura et.al. |
| 01:13.12 | tz | or is that already in place and I'm a dumbarse for not checking |
| 01:13.59 | Munk | Ofc, but gated behind the taint system all the usual limitations apply. E.g. to change the GUID attribute, you'd need to be out of combat. |
| 01:16.31 | Munk | It's essentially the same as /targetexact using an InsecureActionButtonTemplate, though with precision instead of chaos. |
| 01:24.50 | TheDanW | i'll add it to the list, certainly not for 8.0, but maybe in the future |
| 01:41.23 | Torhal | challenges Munk to make a ConsolePort-driven code editor. |
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| 01:51.31 | Munk | Torhal: Okay, what next? https://gyazo.com/74d88cad1341d2156cd8d8320a01df14 |
| 01:52.07 | Torhal | I got nuthin'. |
| 01:57.08 | Munk | TheDanW: Thanks. :) I'm hoping this list is more than a napkin, but less than a phone book. |
| 02:29.24 | Mr_Rabies | https://aelizabethwest.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/giant-book.png |
| 02:32.56 | Trela | Is that a god damn controller AddOn for WoW? |
| 02:33.06 | Trela | Munk: ^ |
| 02:49.46 | Munk | Inb4 "that would suck", "a controller doesn't have enough buttons", "how do you heal", yes it is. |
| 02:51.33 | Trela | Me want. |
| 02:51.50 | Trela | FFXIV's crossbar is basically amazing. |
| 02:53.51 | Munk | That was unexpected. |
| 02:55.32 | Semlar | this looks familiar |
| 02:56.05 | Munk | It's not the same as FFXIV's crossbar. It's less complicated. |
| 02:56.20 | Trela | It does suck for typing, but fine if one keeps a keyboard nearby. |
| 02:58.02 | Semlar | weren't you using my nameplate targeting system for this at some point |
| 02:58.06 | Munk | Hey, my radial keyboard is a masterpiece of engineering. |
| 02:59.18 | Munk | Semlar: We've probably discussed similar controller-related topics, but not this one in particular. Plus, dead things don't have nameplates. |
| 03:00.09 | Munk | The new nameplate system worked out in my favor though because they actually have unitIDs now. |
| 03:00.41 | Munk | The nuking of EnemyGrid however, well, it killed the advanced version of your system for good. |
| 03:01.26 | Semlar | ah well |
| 03:02.10 | Munk | I could pick out a target in a crowd quite easily, but tbh, target scan is in such a good place now that it's no longer necessary. |
| 03:05.18 | Semlar | i had written an addon a long time ago that was capable of telling you if you had unlooted corpses nearby |
| 03:05.49 | Munk | That's what I have now, but you would need to interact with the GUID in some way first. |
| 03:07.21 | Munk | Someone clearly worked on Target Scan during the Legion patch cycle, but I reckon most people don't even know it exists. |
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| 03:07.54 | Semlar | the method i was using didn't require you to interact with anything |
| 03:08.07 | Semlar | i don't recall what the function was called |
| 03:09.00 | Munk | All I know is CanLootUnit returns two boolean values and accepts a GUID as argument. You would need to scrape the GUID somehow. |
| 03:09.41 | Semlar | you don't need to interact with something to get its GUID, you can pull it out of the combat log |
| 03:09.55 | Munk | It's used for the tutorial in starting zones but the function works on any GUID. |
| 03:10.35 | Munk | Still comes back to the same issue with /targetexact if I were to do that. |
| 03:11.02 | Munk | Unless... |
| 03:11.03 | Semlar | well, i'm just talking about showing that you have unlooted corpses on-screen |
| 03:13.29 | Munk | It appears you can't use /targetexact [dead] <name> |
| 03:13.52 | Torhal | Trela: https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/console-port |
| 03:14.59 | Semlar | [dead] would check if your current target is dead |
| 03:15.14 | Munk | That's a good point. |
| 03:15.19 | Semlar | you could check if your last target is dead |
| 03:15.41 | Semlar | so if you're capable of cycling through targets until you get to one that is dead you could use that |
| 03:17.59 | Munk | A living NPC nearby will intercept it though. |
| 03:18.39 | Torhal | I'm now waiting for Semlar to enable targeting from the character select screen. |
| 03:19.06 | Trela | Torhal: Thanks. :O |
| 03:19.07 | Semlar | does targetexact even cycle if you call it repeatedly |
| 03:19.22 | Semlar | or does it stop on the first target |
| 03:19.29 | Munk | Stops on the first target it seems. |
| 03:21.17 | Semlar | back in the legion prelaunch i remember actually binding a key to a macro that targeted the last thing i had selected and looted it |
| 03:21.41 | Munk | That you can do. |
| 03:21.43 | Semlar | so i could spam it trying to loot fel spreaders |
| 03:22.15 | Semlar | but i ended up using that key all the time |
| 03:22.28 | Semlar | it made looting everything so much easier |
| 03:23.08 | Munk | See? A loot binding has more applications than one. |
| 03:23.48 | Munk | It would be nice to have something akin to the loot-a-rang, but you'd have to be in interaction range of what you're attempting to loot. |
| 03:24.30 | Semlar | why does the game even clear your target when it dies |
| 03:25.06 | Munk | That's a valid point, because you reacquire it to loot anyway. |
| 03:27.52 | Semlar | i assumed it was to make targeting something else in combat easier, but i don't know if it really does that |
| 03:28.22 | Thunder_Child | It makes it more noticeable. |
| 03:28.25 | Munk | If you get punched by another NPC you would get that as your new target, so yeah. |
| 03:29.13 | Semlar | or when you hit your attack key and shoot a fireball at the nearest unhostile enemy |
| 03:29.48 | Munk | I think they changed it so ranged classes don't do that because of the huntard syndrome. |
| 03:30.23 | Munk | Or rather, ranged spells. On my monk Tiger Palm will automatically select a target, but Crackling Jade Lightning won't. |
| 03:30.34 | Semlar | hey, i didn't have any problems accidentally pulling yellow mobs when i was a melee class either |
| 03:32.59 | Semlar | although now that i think about it i was still on my hunter |
| 03:47.51 | Munk | I feel like there should be a CVar for this, but there isn't. |
| 03:48.25 | Munk | Maybe sticky targeting? |
| 03:49.58 | Munk | Nope. |
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| 10:22.29 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: got a PlayerModel clipping bug for you https://pastebin.com/gZwiLVKA |
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| 12:21.01 | nevcairiel | Anyone know if anyone is working on updating TomTom for 8.0? jnwhiteh himself hasnt really been seen for a while |
| 12:27.52 | ls- | nevcairiel: are you the one who's maintaining LibKeyBound now, or should I ping Torhal? I mean, all recent commits are yours, obv I may be wrong... |
| 12:29.40 | nevcairiel | personally i dont even know why Torhal is the owner of that project, i dont think he ever had anything to do with it really :D |
| 12:29.53 | ls- | :D |
| 12:30.49 | ls- | k, then... |
| 12:37.36 | ls- | nevcairiel: anyway, here's a thing for you, https://hastebin.com/epejojaxog.patch, there's two things, could you remove "KEY_" from GetBindingText calls, it actually prevents it from the text for something like SHIFT-CTRL-1, I also nuked your select(...) contraptions, you can ignore that bit, and GetBindings changes are quite self-explanatory |
| 12:38.27 | ls- | prevents it from getting* |
| 12:40.40 | ls- | I have few patches for LibKeyBound as well, but I have no idea whom I should poke :D |
| 12:44.58 | nevcairiel | obviously the "contraptions" are there to avoid creating tables =p |
| 12:45.48 | ls- | ikr, that's why I said that bit could be ignored :D |
| 12:45.59 | ls- | the "KEY_" bit is important though |
| 12:47.16 | nevcairiel | it does change some valid output though, primarily it stops shortening of keybinds to work |
| 12:47.22 | nevcairiel | ie. "s-1" becomes "SHIFT-1" |
| 12:48.47 | ls- | sure, but at the same time SHIFT-CTRL-1 becomes "·" >_> |
| 12:49.01 | nevcairiel | trading bugs for one another i s not a good deal =p |
| 12:51.31 | ls- | dunno, I'd go w/ full key names like in the default key bindings panel |
| 12:53.27 | nevcairiel | should ask TheDanW to fix GetBindingText("CTRL-SHIFT-1", true) |
| 12:54.23 | nevcairiel | apparently the second argument has been removed a long while ago and its just a boolean now to indicate if modifiers should be shortened |
| 13:01.31 | ls- | as for LKB, here: https://github.com/ls-/LibKeyBound-1.0/commit/c191005895b349021889e31aa3b90cf2a5e1743e |
| 13:01.40 | ls- | someone has to fix it anyway |
| 13:01.49 | ls- | ChatFrameEditBox no longer exists |
| 13:02.01 | ls- | and handling it manually was unnecessary anyway |
| 13:02.33 | ls- | and I moved mouse over check to the top |
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| 14:10.01 | ls- | nevcairiel: it's me again :D oldconfig and self.config are the same table here: https://github.com/ls-/LibActionButton-1.0/blob/master/LibActionButton-1.0.lua#L627, so you could clean up few things in UpdateConfig :p |
| 14:10.27 | ls- | like literally the same table, everything you do in merge happens to oldconfig as well... |
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| 16:40.20 | TheDanW | Stanzilla: thanks, i've seen it myself also |
| 16:41.21 | Stanzilla | ok :) |
| 16:48.24 | Semlar | are you breaking things again stanzilla |
| 16:49.20 | Stanzilla | I only relayed that, was not my find |
| 16:49.55 | Semlar | oh ok |
| 16:53.14 | Semlar | AIO needs a windows-defender mode that pops up a dialog when another addon tries to modify a cvar that you've set and asks you if you want to allow this |
| 16:53.46 | Semlar | cvar firewall |
| 16:56.41 | TheDanW | maybe we need addon permissions, "Semlar wants to change your cvars. This probably isn't a good idea. Allow?" |
| 16:56.56 | nevcairiel | hardcoded to a nything semlar touched, i like it |
| 16:57.02 | Semlar | D: |
| 16:57.31 | Semlar | i only use my powers for good! |
| 16:59.28 | Thunder_Child | "good" is subjective. |
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| 18:23.58 | Kemayo | The split between "that's abusive and horrible" and "that should just be available through the API". (I think my only use of cvar-flipping is scanning through quest POIs if the user has them disabled. Which, debatable.) |
| 19:19.11 | nevcairiel | anyone particularly attached to GatherMate2_Data and wants to write me a new website scraper script? |
| 19:19.30 | nevcairiel | scraping is so tedious and boring :( |
| 19:20.17 | ls- | haven't used GM since wotlk >_> damn... |
| 19:24.41 | nevcairiel | personally i'm not even a huge fan of those data dumps to import, i just use it to track my own collected nodes, but people like it, but i cba to write a new website scraper |
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| 19:33.08 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: No API? |
| 19:56.13 | nevcairiel | from wowhead? I doubt it |
| 20:01.34 | nevcairiel | in other news, the pre-patch started background loading |
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| 20:10.30 | Andols | 15 gig prepatch |
| 20:11.23 | Andols | Are they pushing out the new zones already? |
| 20:16.34 | nevcairiel | of course, prepatch contains the entire game data |
| 20:16.46 | nevcairiel | there is no future big download when the xpac launches |
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| 20:25.29 | Andols | true, forgot about that |
| 20:25.49 | nevcairiel | also cherry-picking the data they need right now is probaby a hassle best avoided |
| 20:26.06 | Andols | What did you want to scrape? :P |
| 20:26.28 | nevcairiel | herb, mine, fish, whatever locations |
| 20:27.12 | Simca | you may be able to get a dump from them, i know some others have worked it out with them in the past, idk |
| 20:30.29 | nevcairiel | i really dont want to invest that much energy into this =p |
| 20:34.03 | nevcairiel | i'll probably make a manually migrated export of the data I have for 8.0 zone ids and then postpone figuring out something new until bfa data actually arrives |
| 20:35.07 | nevcairiel | luckily thanks to the zone id list Dan gave us, migration is as simple as copying a full SV to the beta client, starting it once, and voila \o/ |
| 20:40.05 | Andols | wowhead does not seem to have any maps of the nodes yet |
| 20:40.23 | Andols | atleast for herbs |
| 20:40.26 | nevcairiel | for all old data? they certainly do |
| 20:40.45 | Andols | aah, i was thinking about the new zones |
| 20:41.03 | nevcairiel | for new data, it often takes a while for the objects to get mapped etc |
| 20:41.57 | nevcairiel | also unclear how many people might even submit data on the beta |
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| 21:52.45 | sylvanaar | its so embarrassing when someone finds spelling errors in your source code. I thought my IDE was checking the spelling lol |
| 21:54.51 | nevcairiel | i would rather have code that works then code thats spelled correctly |
| 22:45.26 | sylvanaar | yeah, that too |
