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| 00:20.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev is BfA Author Keys! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56267 || 7.3.x ToC: 70300 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl |
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| 00:32.10 | TheDanW | in BFA it isn't possible for addons to create premade group finder groups automatically |
| 00:34.45 | Chipzz | is it still possible to search/join groups? |
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| 00:38.10 | TheDanW | i don't believe that changed, it has the same requirements as 7.3.5 |
| 00:41.02 | mukunda | TheDanW: Any chance you guys will add functions to change `visibleBytes` (framexml attribute) for EditBoxes from the lua side? Right now the chatbox limit can't be adjusted from lua if theres the visibleBytes attribute set. |
| 00:42.12 | mukunda | its gonna be hell to update my chat extending addon to work around that (e.g. replacing those chat editboxes entirely - very messy) |
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| 01:03.17 | TheDanW | mukunda: why do you want to change it for these editboxes? they mirror the SendChatMessage limits |
| 01:05.16 | mukunda | my addon (emote splitter) splits up messages passed through there, mainly for roleplayers that often want to post more than 255 characters |
| 01:09.17 | mukunda | so basically how it works, it removes the chat edit limit, and then intercepts SendChatMessage to cut up long messages into smaller ones; very popular for roleplayers |
| 01:10.06 | [TOM_RUS] | TheDanW: it was impossible to automatically create group finder groups since 7.3.5... but was possible create them with user clicking button (where name and description provided by addon), do I understand correctly that that option gone in BFA? |
| 01:10.32 | TheDanW | [TOM_RUS]: you are correct |
| 01:10.51 | [TOM_RUS] | :/ |
| 01:11.24 | TheDanW | mukunda: i see, can't promise anything, but i'll see if we can get it added |
| 01:12.14 | mukunda | understandable, thanks. |
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| 02:09.17 | Simca | that change sucks a lot. those addons that picked a category (Questing, say) and autofilled Name with the name of the world quest saved users tons of clicks |
| 02:09.44 | Simca | click to open group finder, click on group finder tab, click on questing, click on create group, enter name manually, click on create |
| 02:11.09 | Simca | i feel like all this will do is radically harm player participation in the questing category of group finder |
| 02:13.22 | Funkeh` | nonsense, every quest either has an LFG button, and if it doesn't, right click it |
| 02:13.33 | Funkeh` | I've never needed any of these addons, the process is simple |
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| 02:14.49 | Simca | the default UI lets you create groups from quest objectives list? |
| 02:14.59 | Simca | i thought it only let you search for existing |
| 02:16.59 | Funkeh` | i don't recall, it either created a group or you just clicked create group with the name filled in |
| 02:17.30 | Simca | i'll check later on beta, maybe i'm wrong and it's fine still |
| 02:20.39 | mukunda | that's what i usually use, the default ui. searches for groups, and if you click to create one it makes an auto join one for you |
| 02:23.55 | pnorman | Huh, I didn't know about the right-click, only about the icon for group quests that searched/created |
| 02:24.54 | Simca | yeah i used an addon that put an eye next to every quest |
| 02:25.25 | pnorman | You can't right-click *every* quest for that. My JC quest in Dalaran doesn't have that option ;) |
| 02:29.31 | TheDanW | not to be the bearer of bad news, but the right-click option is gone, the eye still exists though |
| 02:32.39 | Mr_Rabies | aw man really? i loved making groups for quests using that :( |
| 02:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | i felt like the only person that used it since everyone used awful addons instead, though :( |
| 02:41.00 | Simca | :< |
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| 02:44.05 | Simca | guessing the right click option was killed because it used the same function and they didn't want to create a secure version of the function with the old args or something |
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| 03:05.47 | nebula | you get the eye for group quests and world quests, good enough for me! |
| 03:11.22 | Mr_Rabies | attempting to copy the data folder from beta client to ptr, this probably will go badly won't it |
| 03:11.43 | nebula | sound be mostly ok |
| 03:12.33 | nebula | s/sound/should/ |
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| 03:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | ...only had to download 70 MB |
| 03:13.35 | Mr_Rabies | went much better than expected |
| 03:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 03:14.03 | Mr_Rabies | i was expecting it to go WHOA LOOK AT FUTURE MAN HERE and download the whole 50 GB over again |
| 03:14.51 | nebula | not sure exactly how it would work, but it'd probably see a manifest it didn't like, redownload that and see all the data it wanted was there |
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| 03:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | then again it was a copied character logging in for the first time |
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| 07:58.43 | [TOM_RUS] | TheDanW: and reason for this unpopular unnecessary change is? |
| 07:59.19 | [TOM_RUS] | i've checked a few legion WQ's on beta and none of them had eye option |
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| 08:20.16 | foxlit | WQs are intended to be solo content, and game designers clearly don't like trivializing them by clicking a UI button and having complete strangers that you do not interact with in any way complete them for you. |
| 08:32.53 | mukunda | very controversial subject but i really agree that group finder makes a mindless grind more mindless |
| 08:35.50 | Chipzz | foxlit: bullshit, when I go do a WQ to kill an elite there's always a bunch of other people there anyway. Solo content my ass. The only difference is I might miss a tag now because I'm not in a group |
| 08:36.33 | foxlit | world quests with elite targets are flagged as group quests anyway, which should give you the eye. |
| 08:37.18 | foxlit | and honestly, I can't think of the last time group quest enemy tagging was a problem. |
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| 08:45.36 | [TOM_RUS] | it's not about tagging, it'a about convenience and efficiency, which is wow all about |
| 08:46.11 | [TOM_RUS] | it takes few seconds to complete WQ in group vs minutes solo |
| 08:47.50 | mukunda | i can understand what you mean, like with an addon throwing you in a group even for the trivial ones - other people can use the addon and join that group easy to blow up the objectives |
| 08:48.46 | mukunda | are addons not loaded alphabetically anymore? :( i have an addon named _AATest, and Prat is still loading first |
| 08:49.10 | foxlit | underscore just has a really high ascii value. |
| 08:49.27 | foxlit | you probably want ! |
| 08:49.46 | nevcairiel | ! definitely works for me to put addons first |
| 08:49.52 | VIad | controversial statement, but you should be able to code addons to load in any order :D |
| 08:49.54 | mukunda | oh... youre right, the wowpedia article is just wrong |
| 08:51.21 | mukunda | im making the nastiest addon |
| 08:52.55 | mukunda | https://pastebin.com/cLYg43D4 just to unlock the chatbox length :D |
| 08:53.09 | mukunda | naturally this needs to run before prat loads and hooks the chatboxes to death |
| 08:53.21 | VIad | I love the smell of taint in the morning |
| 08:54.05 | mukunda | hopefully the ui team adds those functions for changing the character limit easily, so i dont need to do this (replacing the chatboxes entirely just for that) |
| 08:54.20 | VIad | you still can't send longer messages though |
| 08:54.44 | nevcairiel | you cant send longer messages, so what exactly are you gaining anyway? :D |
| 08:54.54 | mukunda | my addon still cuts it up after |
| 08:55.04 | mukunda | https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/emote-splitter |
| 08:55.11 | nevcairiel | in fact trying to send long messages is particularly evil because it disconnects you immediately |
| 08:55.14 | mukunda | right now its easy to remove the limit, but not in ptr |
| 08:56.23 | VIad | I swear though, it should be possible to remove the limit post-Prat if you just do it at the right moment |
| 08:56.51 | mukunda | and idk ive sent like 150 full length messages in one frame for some testing and havent been disconnected |
| 08:57.29 | mukunda | VIad, in the ptr they added something more that limits the chatboxes, so the only way to unlock them is to discard the old editboxes and make new ones, and prat puts a lot of hooks and data on them |
| 08:57.32 | VIad | 150 messages at once? should have booted you I am sure, or ignored like 140 of the messages :D |
| 08:57.49 | mukunda | nope, i saw all of them arrive back lol |
| 08:58.02 | mukunda | it was for sure close to the limit though |
| 08:58.13 | VIad | it's kind of odd why they would do such changes, like what does it fix in the current chat UI? |
| 08:58.26 | VIad | blizz dont change stuff unless it fixes someissues they have on the list |
| 08:58.57 | mukunda | probably some compatibility with multibyte characters and stuff |
| 08:59.02 | mukunda | theyre not using "maxletters" anymore |
| 08:59.08 | [TOM_RUS] | [11:58:26] <VIad> blizz dont change stuff unless it fixes someissues they have on the list - false |
| 08:59.25 | [TOM_RUS] | they change stuff left and right for no reason all the time |
| 08:59.39 | nevcairiel | just because you dont know the reason or dont agree with the reason doesnt mean there isn't one |
| 08:59.55 | mukunda | yeah like SetColorTexture.. |
| 08:59.56 | mukunda | ehe |
| 09:00.17 | VIad | they had to add that when SetTexture started accepting numbers for textures |
| 09:00.26 | nevcairiel | introducing SetColorTexture was easy, because of what VIad said |
| 09:00.29 | VIad | to diff between if you mean rgba or not |
| 09:01.02 | mukunda | there you go, reasoning! |
| 09:02.07 | VIad | the length limit could have been changed if they did some multibyte changes other regions kind of stuff, like korean I think uses 2 or 4 bytes per character and I know it acts a bit funky with the limits, at least in the EU client :D |
| 09:02.16 | VIad | (maybe I meant chinese) |
| 09:02.40 | VIad | just noticed tons of invisible bytes, part of the limit, but werent properly counted with the length checks in the editbox |
| 09:03.18 | VIad | dunno, only used it with some meme messages in chinese and such |
| 09:03.42 | VIad | a invisible byte can be used to force the client to render using chinese font, makes the text very spacious :P |
| 09:04.22 | mukunda | they've got bytes="512" visibleBytes="255" invisibleBytes="255" now |
| 09:04.56 | mukunda | visibleBytes is a new api thing, but i cant touch that from lua side, hence this weird workaround |
| 09:06.55 | VIad | SetVisibleBytes isnt a thing? |
| 09:07.53 | mukunda | no, TheDanW said he can try to get something implemented for it, but no promises |
| 09:08.27 | VIad | for k,v in pairs(getmetatable(ChatFrame1EditBox).__index) do print(k, v) end |
| 09:12.42 | VIad | I generally like to avoid making those !LoadFirst addons, it becomes a battle of the ! :D |
| 09:12.50 | VIad | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PratHookMaster |
| 09:13.36 | mukunda | its pretty nasty i agree, but theres no other way right now, unless i pull my hair out looking through prat (and potentially other addons that dirty up the chatboxes) |
| 09:14.21 | mukunda | just hope they add those lua functions so it can be avoided |
| 09:16.37 | mukunda | in other news, im allowed to send a message in the community channel thats literally bigger than the chat window |
| 09:17.49 | VIad | the community channel being cross platform probably follows more loose regulations |
| 09:18.06 | VIad | dunno the max in the bnet client for a community, could be 1k or 2k chars |
| 09:19.23 | mukunda | default is 1000 chars on the client |
| 09:20.23 | VIad | I wonder if the community will lack restrictions like the ingame chat has |
| 09:20.48 | VIad | you can link fake links to invalid things but if done via bnet API it went through back in the day, dunno how lenient that is still though :P |
| 09:21.04 | VIad | you could make a level up link with level -1 and send it in bnet chat, crashed if the person clicked it |
| 09:21.10 | mukunda | i just sent 2600 chars fine |
| 09:21.24 | mukunda | i mean, i cant see half of it but.. |
| 09:21.24 | VIad | oh lord the spam :( |
| 09:21.29 | VIad | {g1}{g1}{g1}{g1}{g1}... |
| 09:21.44 | VIad | annihilates the channel backlog |
| 09:21.45 | nevcairiel | didnt they disable sending the group tokens in generic channel |
| 09:22.00 | nevcairiel | honestly the entire group token could be removed, its so useless |
| 09:22.01 | VIad | I think they finally added like a logical check yes :D |
| 09:22.08 | VIad | it's very useful in raid channels |
| 09:22.18 | VIad | it just shouldnt work in the /# system tbh :P |
| 09:22.25 | mukunda | group tokens can only take up 512 chars im pretty sure |
| 09:22.32 | mukunda | actually |
| 09:22.35 | mukunda | no those are translated client side |
| 09:22.37 | VIad | group tokens are rendered on client side |
| 09:22.40 | mukunda | yeah |
| 09:22.43 | mukunda | the %t isnt |
| 09:22.44 | nevcairiel | if someone is paying attention you can just say "Group 1 do this", and dont need to list all their names :p |
| 09:22.57 | VIad | you'd be surprised how slacking some people are |
| 09:23.39 | VIad | I often wrote "left = g1+g2 {g1}+{g2}" then "right = everyone else" just to be super clear |
| 09:24.14 | VIad | regardless the flaw here was how you could write it in general chat and all clients would parse it :P |
| 09:24.31 | VIad | a simple group check by sender would be enough to fix the whole issue |
| 09:25.21 | mukunda | okay 4000 chars is the limit |
| 09:27.00 | VIad | it seems if you write {g1} it will check if the channel is raid/instance and replace the tokens, otherwise just keep the tokens as they are |
| 09:27.16 | mukunda | im spamming this 4000 too and not getting dc'd |
| 09:27.23 | VIad | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/ChatFrame.lua#3372 |
| 09:27.41 | VIad | I guess that being global you can easily incorporate the new logic into Prat or other chat addons |
| 09:27.51 | VIad | for managing link replacements |
| 09:28.27 | VIad | can you link invalid links in the community chat, mukunda? |
| 09:28.40 | mukunda | what's an invalid link? |
| 09:28.51 | VIad | like colored text, links to items not usually linkable, hyperlinks to like, levelup or url opening :D |
| 09:28.59 | mukunda | lets see . . . |
| 09:29.33 | VIad | like item links if the item name isnt valid usually isnt sendable or becomes regular text, but it might not have those checks in the community channel |
| 09:29.38 | VIad | since it's cross platform and such |
| 09:30.46 | nevcairiel | you cant really send links at all in cross-platform channel |
| 09:30.52 | nevcairiel | and wow communities are not cross-platform |
| 09:30.53 | mukunda | silently blocks colored text |
| 09:32.18 | VIad | try sending BLIZZARD_STORE_DISCLAIMER_APPEARANCE_CHANGE |
| 09:32.28 | VIad | it's just "|HurlIndex:25|h|cff006995Frequently Asked Questions|r|h" |
| 09:32.42 | VIad | I swear that worked a year or two ago in bnet chat ;P |
| 09:34.02 | mukunda | nope |
| 09:34.27 | VIad | most likely the wow community still goes through validations server side I guess |
| 09:34.56 | mukunda | yeah |
| 09:35.10 | mukunda | my guild panel takes like a second to open now |
| 09:35.31 | mukunda | seems like theres just a messages-per-second limit, rather than how much you send |
| 09:36.37 | mukunda | i can still see someone sending more than 1000 chars though if its RP, maybe ill split at the 500 mark so you can at least read it |
| 09:37.36 | mukunda | or hell, 300-400, make it more managable for the user |
| 09:38.26 | mukunda | i wonder if wow will ever overhaul its ui, use a more web friendly interface |
| 10:07.00 | nevcairiel | why would the game ever be web-friendly, thats unrelated concepts =p |
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| 10:32.37 | Stanzilla | should switch from Lua to JS and make WoW electron based /s |
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| 11:00.06 | mitchnull | didum |
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| 11:08.24 | mitchnull | dammit |
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| 11:10.33 | mitchnull | hrmp |
| 11:17.18 | nevcairiel | whats the matter |
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| 11:18.36 | Stanzilla | show us on the doll where he touched you |
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| 12:40.06 | VIad | did someone want a html/css/js based wow interface? |
| 12:44.01 | AcidWeb | LOGO based. |
| 12:44.12 | AcidWeb | Let's draw everything with a turtle. |
| 12:44.20 | Maldivia | and run it in a browser ? |
| 12:45.28 | VIad | let's make a VBA UI |
| 12:51.01 | Chipzz | what's with all this fancy UI stuff? just rewrite it in PHP, so it can run on the server :P |
| 13:02.34 | VIad | let's make UI in C++ and make it so users compile their own code into usable UI dll |
| 13:03.18 | VIad | my fav is compiling python code, eww |
| 13:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | ship custom game overlays and reprogram wow to only run on the VECTREX |
| 13:19.26 | nevcairiel | dont make fun of turtle graphics, they are serious business |
| 13:20.54 | Chipzz | TMNTG :P |
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| 16:02.31 | mukunda | who's in charge of updating chatthrottlelib these days? |
| 16:06.58 | mukunda | it'd be nice is `bMyTraffic` was exposed to the outside, so addons like mine that hook SendChatMessage can easily tell the traffic is from chatthrottlelib and treat it differently |
| 16:08.42 | mukunda | if* |
| 16:10.35 | Funkeh` | or you could just not hook it and stop messing with chat other addons are sending |
| 16:11.09 | mukunda | i have my reasons -_- |
| 16:55.43 | sylvanaar | hook wars! |
| 17:01.42 | TheDanW | [TOM_RUS]: that's a question better suited for design, i didn't make the decision nor did i work on the code to change it |
| 17:15.58 | sylvanaar | looks like Prat will need an update for the new link replacements logic on beta, thanks Vlad for pointing it out |
| 17:16.49 | VIad | heh np sylvanaar. hope its reusable and not taintable :D |
| 17:17.28 | sylvanaar | oh, Prat taints everything - always has since taint was added |
| 17:17.44 | sylvanaar | not really avoidable |
| 17:19.01 | sylvanaar | the only thing that has ever meant though is you couldn't target someone from their player link |
| 17:19.20 | Thunder_Child | Prats taint everything. |
| 17:19.24 | sylvanaar | it does |
| 17:19.52 | Thunder_Child | I think you mean 'they'. |
| 17:21.12 | sylvanaar | so if you reformat the player link it is tainted, how can you avoid that |
| 17:21.39 | nevcairiel | dont reformat the player link? |
| 17:21.40 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:21.45 | sylvanaar | yeah, knew that was coming |
| 17:22.09 | sylvanaar | :D |
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| 17:36.45 | sylvanaar | looks like i might have some work to do to support community chat :D |
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| 18:50.55 | pnorman | mukunda: 1000 characters? Pfft :P |
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| 18:57.12 | mukunda | mhm "only 4 paras??" |
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| 19:42.08 | pnorman | just got a 5 message set of messages |
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| 20:25.12 | TheDanW | mukunda: watch for SetVisibleTextByteLimit and GetVisibleTextByteLimit on editbox |
| 20:28.32 | mukunda | cool, thanks a lot |
| 20:28.51 | mukunda | *deletes nasty hackwork* |
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| 20:59.12 | Gnarfoz | so you just have to build something ugly enough to make TheDanW build something nicer, hmhm |
| 20:59.14 | Gnarfoz | takes notes |
| 21:04.38 | mukunda | yknow im proud of my nasty hack and sad to see it go so soon.. |
| 21:23.07 | sinus_ | Hey, it may yet work with my map zoom hacks! :> |
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| 23:43.26 | nevcairiel | oh hey nameplates finally got their own tooltip, hopefully it'll stop spreading protected frames around in the UI |
| 23:44.23 | nevcairiel | or forbidden frames, to be more precise |
| 23:58.14 | Shishire | Ok, I'm lost. I created a frame with CreateFrame that inherited SecureActionButtonTemplate, and I set position and size, and called show on it, but nothing happened. I can see it under framestack, but not otherwise. Am I missing something? I was under the impression that SecureActionButtonTemplate had a default texture and such, especially if it's initialized with spell data. |