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| 00:53.22 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: I blame the update, worked fine for months before |
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| 03:38.30 | Shishire | Is there any property returned by UnitAura() that can uniquely identify an instance of a buff? I've already seen that the indexes are mutable, and I've seen that it's possible to have multiple copies of the same spellId up at a time. |
| 03:40.39 | nebula | same spellId? do you have an example of that? |
| 03:41.27 | nebula | but not, there is no "spell guid" or such you can get from UnitAura |
| 03:41.32 | nebula | but no* |
| 03:42.21 | Shishire | I was reading a post where someone was dealing with multiple copies of the same spell at a time. One moment, I'll try and find it |
| 03:43.10 | nebula | thanks, i've seen auras with the same name, but never the same id |
| 03:45.26 | Shishire | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20761007426 |
| 03:45.36 | Shishire | Dire Beast apparently |
| 03:46.10 | nebula | ah, i should have guessed |
| 03:46.32 | Shishire | His particular problem notwithstanding, apparently it's possible to have multiple "identical" buffs |
| 03:50.13 | Shishire | Maybe {spellId, expirationTime}? |
| 03:51.02 | Shishire | I'm looking to build an internal table of buffs/debuffs, so I can track when buffs get added or removed, and do lookups by name/id in BfAm etc. |
| 03:52.22 | Shishire | s/BfAm/BfA/ |
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| 09:45.49 | VIad | this is a odd question. but is it possible to monitor the reads done to a file and figure out what process wrote to it? |
| 09:46.59 | VIad | for example you do a m+ and combatlog it all, if the monitor software looks at who changes the combat log file and as long it's the wow process it's fine, but if something else changes the contents then it's not fine (could be someone trying to cheat :P) |
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| 09:49.13 | VIad | I'm just worried in order to like track what process changed a file you'd have to go deep into the OS, like a nodejs program probably can only pickup on the timestamp something changed type events, but not by who and such. |
| 09:52.18 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 09:52.38 | AcidWeb | windows can trace every filehandle opened by process |
| 09:53.45 | AcidWeb | no idea if nodejs have libraries to dive so deep |
| 09:54.12 | nevcairiel | you would need admin access definitely, i wouldnt run some nodejs shit with admin, ever =p |
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| 12:57.49 | nimhfree | Vlad: I would imagine that a normal process reading from a file cannot tell what process has written to that file. The operating system should be able to tell you what process is writing to a file in general, and you would need privileges to get that information. however, from the read side, you would not be able to tell that a specific set of characters in the file came from a specific process. |
| 13:06.19 | Shishire | Addons are still single threaded, right? I don't have to worry about synchronous locks and stuff when modifying my addon's datastructures, correct? |
| 13:06.26 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 13:06.39 | Shishire | Cool. Makes my life easier |
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| 14:26.32 | VIad | if a 2nd thread was ever made it would definietly be some sort of a background offloading thing to avoid fps loss, but not sure what exactly that would be needed for tbh :D |
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| 17:02.21 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: well, that's not really how BSODs work, though. (maybe it's now using a different driver for something, but I don't think WHQL drivers would be this terrible. The usual reply is "It's your RAM" anyway. :P) |
| 17:05.23 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:e3818de381a3e381a80a070305b25961 << Globe now whines about more XML issues |
| 17:11.47 | nevcairiel | still cant click on things to get taken to the problem in an online code viewer :( |
| 17:14.55 | foxlit | is your code available in some online code viewer? |
| 17:23.11 | TheDanW | all of the "Unrecognized XML tag." and most of the "XML tag not expected in this context." aren't right for FrameXML, do you not support the ScopedModifier tag? TextureCoordTranslation is a legitimate animation type |
| 17:25.02 | TheDanW | it's also valid to have KeyValues on an animation |
| 17:32.42 | foxlit | TheDanW: it pulls from the xsd shipped with 7.3.5 |
| 17:33.29 | TheDanW | gotcha |
| 17:34.05 | foxlit | which doesn't acknowledge that ScopedModifier or TextureCoordTranslation exist, and doesn't permit KeyValues in either AnimationType or AnimationGroupType. |
| 17:35.16 | foxlit | nevcairiel: now with links for framexml. |
| 17:35.47 | nevcairiel | Yay |
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| 17:53.08 | TheDanW | yeah, the xsd leaves something to be desired |
| 17:56.05 | foxlit | does the client just ignore things it doesn't recognize? |
| 17:58.37 | Gnarfoz | I think it just ignores the xsd ;D |
| 17:59.57 | TheDanW | yeah, the client doesn't use the xsd |
| 18:00.23 | foxlit | that's not really the issue; the question is more about what happens if you write obvious silliness that happens to be well-formed XML. |
| 18:00.53 | foxlit | Think <Ui><Frame><Frames><Animation><Gnarfoz /></Animation></Frames></Frame></Ui> |
| 18:01.08 | TheDanW | generally, unknown elements or attributes are just skipped |
| 18:02.18 | foxlit | or <Texture><Scripts><OnClick>...</OnClick></Scripts></Texture> |
| 18:02.34 | TheDanW | silently ignored |
| 18:03.27 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: did you just imply I'm empty |
| 18:03.54 | nevcairiel | or you are so well defined that you dont need any attributes |
| 18:04.43 | Gnarfoz | I wish I was well defined |
| 18:04.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:37.50 | nevcairiel | ptr started updating to 8.0, only 14.5gb to download :p |
| 18:50.08 | Chipzz | foxlit: try with chipzz.safehex.be/UI.xsd instead |
| 18:50.23 | Chipzz | * http://chipzz.safehex.be/UI.xsd |
| 19:07.53 | Alram | someone tell the app 64 bit is gone for ptr |
| 19:07.58 | Alram | it is trying to launch Wowt-64 |
| 19:08.00 | Alram | poor thing ;_; |
| 19:08.24 | Alram | the separate 64-bit client, that is |
| 19:08.48 | Gnarfoz | did it usurp wow.exe? nice |
| 19:09.20 | Alram | yes, may 32 bit wow.exe rest in peace |
| 19:09.28 | Alram | coming soon to a live client near you |
| 19:09.52 | nevcairiel | so thats why it cant launch |
| 19:10.18 | Alram | yeah, making a copy of WowT.exe and calling it WowT-64.exe should probably work |
| 19:10.18 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they'll fix it soon, the beta knows this already anyway |
| 19:10.25 | Alram | yeah needs a catalog update i think |
| 19:11.03 | nevcairiel | the copy does work yeah |
| 19:16.16 | Alram | and there's the fix :D |
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| 19:54.05 | nevcairiel | why are all loading screens broken on ptr and show the gryphon-man :D |
| 19:55.41 | Gnarfoz | style |
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| 21:08.49 | sylvanaar | foxlit: what static analyzer are you using or did you write one |
| 21:09.26 | foxlit | I wrote one. |
| 21:10.58 | sylvanaar | so, how did you do it, parse yourself? |
| 21:13.02 | foxlit | yes, it's the usual tokenizer -> parser -> annotate AST with stuff. |
| 21:20.45 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 21:20.59 | sylvanaar | you doing the script blocks in the xml too?> |
| 21:21.07 | foxlit | yes |
| 21:22.06 | sylvanaar | how do you do your control/data flow analysis? |
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| 21:22.39 | sylvanaar | for unused vars |
| 21:24.01 | sylvanaar | does it take input - can I submit something? |
| 21:24.48 | foxlit | You can drag a packaged addon zip over the logo to upload it |
| 21:25.08 | foxlit | (clicking it should also get you a browse-for-file dialog) |
| 21:26.00 | foxlit | I don't really do CFA, so unused variables is an underestimation -- they're just things you don't read from, ever. |
| 21:26.55 | sylvanaar | oh, k - does it need the toc too - or just lua files in a zip? |
| 21:27.22 | foxlit | needs a toc |
| 21:27.26 | sylvanaar | gotcha |
| 21:27.42 | foxlit | pretty much the sort of zip you'd distribute to users :) |
| 21:27.59 | sylvanaar | i understand |
| 21:28.12 | sylvanaar | really cool |
| 21:28.35 | sylvanaar | i am a tool nerd - I love stuff like this |
| 21:29.35 | foxlit | hurray :) |
| 21:31.50 | Chipzz | foxlit: did you consider my version of the .xsd yet? I'm pretty sure it will fix a number of invalid warnings, like the ones TheDanW pointed out earlier |
| 21:32.54 | sylvanaar | I am sure everyone has told you to name it "foxlint" by now right |
| 21:35.49 | sylvanaar | I have an inspection that I do - "global self", there are 2 instances of it in framexml |
| 21:37.33 | sylvanaar | HelpFrame:862, ChatConfigFrame:1933 |
| 21:41.13 | foxlit | sylvanaar: HelpFrame.xml:862 is an OnLoad handler? |
| 21:41.21 | sylvanaar | lua sorry |
| 21:41.27 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/HelpFrame.lua#862 |
| 21:41.59 | sylvanaar | guess, i need to regenerate my files |
| 21:42.49 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/wut/#q:self finds https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/ChatConfigFrame.lua#1932 |
| 21:42.53 | sylvanaar | looks like they found it and changed it to nil |
| 21:43.18 | sylvanaar | yeah that one in ChatConfigFrame is still wrong |
| 21:43.37 | sylvanaar | self is a global |
| 21:43.53 | foxlit | Chipzz: I can't use that directly, since you're using a superset of the syntax used in the original ui.xsd |
| 21:44.51 | foxlit | (essentially, I parse the xsd into an intermediate representation that is then validated against, and because I'm lazy, I just implemented the parts used by the original xsd, so no e.g. <xs:group ref="..."/> ) |
| 21:45.33 | sylvanaar | it's an easy rule to write - "flag any globals named self" |
| 21:46.06 | TheDanW | fixed ChatConfigFrame, thanks! |
| 21:46.26 | foxlit | TheDanW: there are a few instances of :EnableMouseWheel() in framexml that are wrong |
| 21:47.23 | foxlit | like this one: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/SecureHandlerTemplates.xml#100 |
| 21:47.37 | nevcairiel | maybe its intended to turn it off? |
| 21:47.37 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:47.42 | TheDanW | thats pretty cool |
| 21:47.55 | TheDanW | since before 2008 |
| 21:48.07 | nevcairiel | not sure anyone used the mousewheel template |
| 21:48.12 | nevcairiel | seems like a ratehr niche template |
| 21:48.13 | foxlit | I do. |
| 21:49.08 | foxlit | perhaps renaming that method to :SetMouseWheelEnabled(enabled?) would be better, if it's going to insist on being passed true. |
| 21:49.15 | TheDanW | fixed also |
| 21:49.30 | nevcairiel | yay for random tiny fixes |
| 21:49.42 | Ellypse | TheDanW: Let's say I decided to send all RP profiles in my addon through SendAddonMessageLogged, so it's easier for me to report people and more importantly accept profiles only from reportable people. That would mean between 10 and 20 messages logged per profile send to each individual (I found an average of 200KB/hour/user). How mad would your pe |
| 21:49.42 | Ellypse | ople be at the amount of logs I would generate? |
| 21:49.48 | foxlit | (I think this behavior actually changed at some point, because it's inconsistent with e.g. :EnableMouse()) |
| 21:49.57 | TheDanW | foxlit: i'd like to, but renaming EnableMouse and family would break quite a few addons |
| 21:50.12 | foxlit | expansions are made to break addons <3 |
| 21:50.19 | nevcairiel | now you have scruples in breaking addons? |
| 21:50.33 | nevcairiel | i had to literally rewrite some from scratch from the map changes! |
| 21:50.35 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:50.51 | foxlit | besides, it's like a 5-line addition to Blizzard_Deprecated if we care about compatibility. |
| 21:51.41 | TheDanW | Ellypse: the goal is for CS to be able to look through the logs and verify reports, if there's too much noise it'll be less effective for everyone |
| 21:52.13 | TheDanW | i don't think we'd gain much with renaming those functions right now, perhaps in the future |
| 21:52.21 | foxlit | TheDanW: also https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/ChannelFrame.xml#610 https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/ChannelFrame.xml#758 |
| 21:53.05 | TheDanW | foxlit: those have already been replaced on beta |
| 21:53.27 | Ellypse | That's what I thought. Technically the data would be same (same RP profile send to multiple people). The thing is that without doing this, the solution is really not optimal as I cannot make sure the profile I'm displaying are reportable if I use SendAddonMessage for regular data transfer and query "bad" people to send me logged messages on demand. |
| 21:53.27 | Ellypse | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.58 | Ellypse | So I thought since logged addon messages have a specific event, using only logged messages would require them to be reportable. |
| 21:57.30 | TheDanW | hrm, since logged addon comms come out on a different event, wouldn't both sides need to opt into using the non-logged channel? |
| 21:57.53 | TheDanW | in the case of a modified version of the addon to avoid logging |
| 21:57.56 | foxlit | "I won't display anything you haven't sent over a logged channel" is an effectively policy. |
| 21:58.02 | foxlit | s/ly// |
| 21:58.30 | Ellypse | That's exactly why I want to use logged messages only |
| 21:58.35 | nevcairiel | I think he is mostly worried about the volume of data being send, since it would include the entire profile and not just the text fields with potential offensive content |
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| 21:59.10 | Ellypse | Right now the protocol used by all RP addons use the standard one. Moving the protocol to the logged one would require all addon to send logged messages that are reportable, and "rogue" addons would be isolated in the non-logged "chanel" |
| 22:00.16 | Ellypse | If we could report individual logged messages ID it could help to highlight what part the user wanted to report |
| 22:01.52 | foxlit | can't you just assume that customer service is armed with the equivalent of ctrl+f? |
| 22:02.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:02.36 | Ellypse | Hmm, yeah makes sense, sounds good |
| 22:02.49 | sylvanaar | Here are some more global self's: HelpFrame.lua:862, OptionsFrameTemplates.lua:166, OptionsFrameTemplates.lua:172 |
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| 22:03.08 | sylvanaar | I just updated my framexml, /shrug |
| 22:03.27 | sylvanaar | random bugs |
| 22:03.35 | foxlit | it's probably important to note that those are beta line numbers. |
| 22:03.39 | nevcairiel | you should've really done Beta |
| 22:04.04 | sylvanaar | yeah beta |
| 22:04.20 | nevcairiel | then something is wrong, because OptionsFrameTemplates 166 is blank in beta :D |
| 22:04.27 | Ellypse | I also wanted to make sure I won't get a call from someone because of a 5TB logs file. I ran an estimate of 200KB/hour/user. I'm bad at math, but I guess it will take some time to get that bad ^^ |
| 22:04.28 | foxlit | blank on live too :/ |
| 22:04.46 | sylvanaar | oh gluexml |
| 22:04.49 | sylvanaar | :D |
| 22:04.57 | sylvanaar | i did the whole folder |
| 22:04.57 | nevcairiel | noone cares about glue! |
| 22:05.25 | sylvanaar | idk, maybe someone does! |
| 22:05.37 | Stanzilla | some people in here certainly do, at least sniffing it on a daily basis |
| 22:05.50 | nevcairiel | i cant afford glue |
| 22:06.18 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 22:08.23 | Tentacled | Ooookay, that's weird. Is beta supposed to have the Lua core running slower in some areas..? |
| 22:08.38 | nevcairiel | what does that even mean |
| 22:08.42 | Tentacled | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.07 | nevcairiel | beta build could just be slower |
| 22:09.07 | TheDanW | Ellypse: ideally you'd only send displayable text over the logged channel, i know that you'll need to send some metadata along with it, but the less noise the better for everyone |
| 22:09.18 | TheDanW | the volume of data is less important, as long as its useful |
| 22:10.32 | Ellypse | Okay thanks :D I'd say in a RP profile that's 15 messages in size, 98% of it is user generated text, we use two letters for table keys. And I will adapt the serialization to render a readable text version of the data |
| 22:12.35 | nevcairiel | Tentacled: 85 beta, 27 live for me, but it is known that the beta builds have added sanety checking etc, so that might be expected until it changes its build type |
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| 22:14.22 | TheDanW | yeah, there's additional validation we perform during beta and ptr, at some point we'll do a build without that which would be comparable to live |
| 22:14.23 | Tentacled | OK, so I'm not insane here. At least not in this case. Good. ^^; |
| 22:14.37 | TheDanW | them* |
| 22:14.49 | Tentacled | So I can stop running in circles and wondering what the hell did I screw up that made my code 3x slower. Cheers. :) |
| 22:15.00 | Tentacled | "Not my fault! For once!" :D |
| 22:15.07 | nevcairiel | i would be more worried why you are benchmarking your addon code in the first place |
| 22:16.22 | Tentacled | Because I made changes in some simple calculations code, and suddenly the same big chunk of maths that took 20 seconds on live is taking 60 seconds on beta. That's pretty important if parts of that math are going to be performed in real time, trying not to hit on FPS too much. |
| 22:16.47 | Tentacled | Minus 10 fps is acceptable; minus 30 fps not so much. |
| 22:16.51 | foxlit | unicorn wishlist: it'd be nice to be able to write directly to the restricted environment outside lockdown without going through the serialize -> loadstring -> execute dance. |
| 22:17.41 | nevcairiel | that dance currently does the filtering of frames and tables, might be rather wishful to see that re-implemented through other means |
| 22:18.56 | foxlit | the first entry on the unicorn wishlist is obiously a unicorn, which should give you an idea of how likely I find this to actually happen. |
| 22:19.16 | Stanzilla | it's horse2 |
| 22:19.18 | Stanzilla | don't you learn? |
| 22:20.27 | foxlit | (being able to pass restricted tables between restricted environments avoiding the serialize -> unserialize dance would also be nice) |
| 22:23.11 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I mostly don't follow datamining, so I'm not entirely sure what horse2 is. |
| 22:23.21 | sylvanaar | my unicorn wishlist is luasocket :D |
| 22:23.26 | Stanzilla | the name for unicorns in wow |
| 22:23.43 | foxlit | psst, luacurl! |
| 22:23.51 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: now thats just outside of the realm of ever happening |
| 22:23.54 | foxlit | (because I'm not sure luasocket implements TLS) |
| 22:24.04 | nevcairiel | foxlit's wishes are at least possible, just a lot of work |
| 22:24.13 | nevcairiel | and no, luasocket doesnt have tls =p |
| 22:24.31 | nevcairiel | there is a library ontop of it that does |
| 22:24.38 | nevcairiel | luasec |
| 22:25.55 | nevcairiel | but if you have a socket you can just implement tls in Lua |
| 22:25.58 | nevcairiel | no biggie |
| 22:26.04 | sylvanaar | ^ |
| 22:26.27 | foxlit | I somehow don't want to implement tls in Lua. |
| 22:26.29 | foxlit | Odd. |
| 22:26.31 | sylvanaar | how about just write to a file? |
| 22:26.43 | sylvanaar | and read |
| 22:26.48 | nevcairiel | no breaching the sandbox =p |
| 22:27.20 | sylvanaar | you know you can write stuff to the chatlog right? |
| 22:27.21 | foxlit | what's the most evil thing you could do by breaching that level of the sandbox, though? |
| 22:27.45 | foxlit | (let's imagine internet <-> addons comm for a moment. Writing malicious exutables to disk might be a bad idea.) |
| 22:27.50 | sylvanaar | it's just messy |
| 22:27.59 | nevcairiel | getting data out isnt that hard, but in requires reloading your UI |
| 22:28.07 | sylvanaar | very true |
| 22:28.40 | nevcairiel | foxlit: wow clients become ddos bots |
| 22:28.49 | sylvanaar | can you still point your saved variables at a lua file in some random addon? |
| 22:29.07 | sylvanaar | I remember that was a fun one |
| 22:29.18 | nevcairiel | how would you do that, you name a table to save, the filename is auto-generated from the addon name |
| 22:29.31 | nevcairiel | (or variable even, doesnt have to be a table) |
| 22:30.10 | sylvanaar | oh, no - we used to do it back in the day, you just do "..\..\<wherever you want>" |
| 22:30.23 | nevcairiel | i dont think you could ever specify the filename of your SV |
| 22:30.32 | nevcairiel | that would seem like an odd feature |
| 22:30.54 | sylvanaar | maybe I said it backwards |
| 22:31.05 | sylvanaar | put the SV of another addon in your TOC |
| 22:31.49 | sylvanaar | sorry |
| 22:31.50 | nevcairiel | so you can load their SV as part of your addon? |
| 22:31.58 | sylvanaar | you used to be able to |
| 22:32.03 | nevcairiel | seems like that wouldnt really do much of anything |
| 22:32.07 | sylvanaar | we couldn't find a good use to put i tot |
| 22:32.08 | sylvanaar | to |
| 22:32.17 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 22:32.25 | nevcairiel | and you need to know the account name anyway |
| 22:33.00 | sylvanaar | uh uh |
| 22:33.05 | sylvanaar | you dont |
| 22:33.43 | nevcairiel | if you want to use relative paths, the stuff is saved in ..\..\..\WTF\Account\####\SavedVariables |
| 22:34.13 | sylvanaar | hrm, maybe I am wrong - it has been 10 years |
| 22:34.25 | sylvanaar | cut me a little slack :D |
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| 22:34.41 | foxlit | You could load other addons' files, though. That's semi-useful. |
| 22:34.53 | nevcairiel | you can still do that |
| 22:35.02 | sylvanaar | lol semi! |
| 22:35.07 | foxlit | yeah, that's not a past-tense could. |
| 22:35.30 | sylvanaar | Prat does that |
| 22:35.33 | nevcairiel | i think jnwhiteh's quest info addon used that for some reason, what was it called, i forget |
| 22:35.51 | nevcairiel | he had all the files in the main dir and then some tiny toc-only LoD addons that loaded files from the main dir |
| 22:36.02 | nevcairiel | not sure why he didnt just move the files into those dirs, but shrug =p |
| 22:36.10 | foxlit | (useful if you don't trust your users to update all the subdirs properly) |
| 22:36.31 | sylvanaar | Yeah, Prat does that. It is called "pullout" features, and you just move a folder with a toc out into the main directory |
| 22:36.46 | nevcairiel | but why not have the Lua in that dir as well |
| 22:37.14 | sylvanaar | glad you asked - because the pull-out happens after the addon is installed |
| 22:37.15 | foxlit | updates, nevcairiel. |
| 22:37.20 | sylvanaar | exactly |
| 22:37.29 | nevcairiel | so instead of that, just make it a plugin the user can install |
| 22:37.37 | nevcairiel | in the age of twitch clients etc thats what people use anyway |
| 22:37.40 | sylvanaar | yeah, sure - that's a thing too |
| 22:38.12 | sylvanaar | but then you have 2 things to manange and update in tandem |
| 22:38.16 | sylvanaar | *manage |
| 22:38.35 | nevcairiel | or you know, just have a checkbox ingame to activate extra features |
| 22:38.40 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:39.41 | sylvanaar | so I have 2 Debug, and HighCPUUsage |
| 22:40.04 | sylvanaar | neither of which belong in screenshots of my addon |
| 22:40.10 | sylvanaar | ''s performance |
| 22:40.28 | nevcairiel | such weird things people worry about |
| 22:40.34 | sylvanaar | which I used to get lots of crap for |
| 22:41.54 | sylvanaar | So I took all the debug stuff, and high cpu/memory stuff and put them in obviously named addons so those got the bill |
| 22:42.05 | nevcairiel | people yell at me because bartender4 uses more cpu then dominos, i tell them to go stuff themselves (or just ignore them more often), you cant make such people happy anyway |
| 22:42.29 | nevcairiel | (the reason for that is that dominos re-uses blizzard action buttons, so those accumulate much of the cpu use, and the addon doesnt get blamed, while I create my own) |
| 22:42.30 | sylvanaar | Nobody has ever complained to me that Prat_HighCPUUsageModules was using too much CPU |
| 22:42.36 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 22:44.36 | sylvanaar | It isn't as much of a big deal these days |
| 22:44.58 | Stanzilla | Prat was a whole operating system back in the days |
| 22:45.08 | nevcairiel | probably still is |
| 22:45.20 | sylvanaar | man you guys are harsh |
| 22:45.23 | Stanzilla | =D |
| 22:45.24 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 22:45.27 | nevcairiel | i need to find a lean new chat mod to use, my personal one broke and i got tired of re-making it |
| 22:45.35 | Stanzilla | fix chatter |
| 22:45.42 | foxlit | give up on chatting |
| 22:45.46 | nevcairiel | the whole point of this is not fixing something! |
| 22:45.51 | sylvanaar | discord |
| 22:46.22 | sylvanaar | you could become a Prat user! |
| 22:46.25 | Stanzilla | don't even know if chatter is broken |
| 22:46.31 | Thunder_Child | My first thought was "duf never had a chat module." |
| 22:47.01 | sylvanaar | Idk if I would believe it even if you submitted bug reports |
| 22:47.15 | nevcairiel | I tried BCM but it has some really annoying things and I don't care request changes from its author =P |
| 22:47.28 | nevcairiel | s/care/dare/ |
| 22:47.39 | sylvanaar | chat mods are fun |
| 22:49.00 | Stanzilla | bcm is Funkeh` right? |
| 22:49.07 | sylvanaar | I think so |
| 22:49.15 | sylvanaar | he picked it up from someone |
| 22:49.29 | Stanzilla | I think he forced simplechatmods or so |
| 22:49.39 | Stanzilla | forked |
| 22:49.41 | sylvanaar | perhaps |
| 22:49.43 | nevcairiel | i'll probably just end up fixing mine |
| 22:49.48 | nevcairiel | i was happy with it over years |
| 22:50.22 | nevcairiel | i just dont have some of the fancy features like entire chat copy/pasting, only ever implemented url copying |
| 22:50.54 | Stanzilla | fix chatter |
| 22:51.01 | sylvanaar | what is wrong with it? |
| 22:51.11 | Stanzilla | no idea |
| 22:51.12 | sylvanaar | I thought you were maintaining it |
| 22:51.28 | Stanzilla | not really playing anymore and havent tested it in beta yet |
| 22:51.31 | sylvanaar | ah |
| 22:51.51 | sylvanaar | I just started playing again recently - 3-4 months ago |
| 22:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | <sylvanaar> Nobody has ever complained to me that Prat_HighCPUUsageModules was using too much CPU |
| 22:53.22 | foxlit | I think some complaining might be in order if it turns out that those modules don't use *enough* CPU. |
| 22:53.33 | Mr_Rabies | hey sylvanaar, Prat_HighCPUUsageModules uses too much CPU |
| 22:54.00 | Mr_Rabies | (i don't actually use any of them i'm just being an idiot) |
| 22:54.22 | Mr_Rabies | my prat is basically just down to bleeps and boops and moving the editbox to the top of the chat frame |
| 22:55.40 | sylvanaar | Yeah you know you can set the modules you donât use to âdonât loadâ then they wonât even take up memory |
| 22:55.47 | Mr_Rabies | (since most of the other stuff i used to use is now in the base client and i cbf to fix that when prat breaks after a patch |
| 22:55.52 | Mr_Rabies | yup, i love that |
| 22:56.22 | Mr_Rabies | my only gripe is how many modules there are and trying to figure out where each module puts its settings |
| 22:56.38 | sylvanaar | Yeah. There are a lot |
| 22:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | but like |
| 22:57.08 | Mr_Rabies | i can't imagine any better way to do it while being limited to the "Interface" section of the UI |
| 22:59.27 | sylvanaar | I only use a few of them too |
| 23:05.26 | sylvanaar | Stanzilla: tell me all the good stuff in Chatter, and I'll add it to Prat :D |
| 23:06.51 | nevcairiel | what if the good stuff is that it doesnt have all the things |
| 23:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | okay i don't know what chat events are |
| 23:07.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'm going through these modules trying to figure out what i do and don't want |
| 23:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | i thought it was stuff like PLAYER_DEAD (possibly not an actual event) and stuff, but apparently not? |
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| 23:08.15 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: set them to don't load? idk you mean a curated feature set that exactly matches your individual tastes? that's as close as I can get |
| 23:08.16 | Stanzilla | sylvanaar: at some point I even made tickets for prat |
| 23:08.20 | Stanzilla | not sure if they are still there |
| 23:08.34 | sylvanaar | you know prat's tickets got spammed - so ther are like 30k of them |
| 23:09.14 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: basically yes, i like small addons with small targeted features, and the chat situation was especially bad, hence why I made my own tiny one-lua-file chatmod all those years ago which barely ever broke :D |
| 23:09.14 | Stanzilla | right |
| 23:09.44 | sylvanaar | yeah, I know nevcairiel - i tried to address people like you with the "don't load" part |
| 23:10.02 | sylvanaar | but, you can't beat "comment out what you don't like" |
| 23:10.51 | sylvanaar | or - some curated/opinionated feature set |
| 23:11.11 | nevcairiel | i probably stole half of the chat things in my "chatmod" from some other one anyway |
| 23:11.35 | sylvanaar | open source! |
| 23:12.06 | nevcairiel | the url copy static popup is called SCMUrlCopyDialog, so probably from SCM! |
| 23:12.19 | Mr_Rabies | oh i see, it's chat events only |
| 23:12.22 | Mr_Rabies | i understand now |
| 23:12.30 | sylvanaar | what bugs me is prat is GPL3, and people steal my code and license it as ARR or MIT (don't mind MIT so much) |
| 23:12.59 | nevcairiel | i dont publish mine, so i can do whatever anyway! |
| 23:13.00 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:13.04 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 23:13.13 | sylvanaar | you can! |
| 23:13.28 | nevcairiel | technically i think its on my github somewhere, its in my "NevMod" which i think i pushed there sometime |
| 23:13.52 | Stanzilla | yes you did |
| 23:13.52 | Stanzilla | liar |
| 23:17.21 | sylvanaar | that sounds like an AdiBags kind of thing - is that guy still around Adirelle? |
| 23:17.36 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 23:17.39 | sylvanaar | he's not in channel anymore |
| 23:18.32 | sylvanaar | I remember AdiBags was his own personal bag addon, and it has a cult following now |
| 23:19.31 | nevcairiel | NevMod is just a collection of random snippets of random code, so :p |
| 23:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything out there that properly replicates the little button that lets you change your RP language and stuff in the default chat frame? |
| 23:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | like an LDB button? |
| 23:20.01 | nevcairiel | why not keep the button? |
| 23:20.27 | nevcairiel | it gets a companion button for the voice chat in 8.0 as well |
| 23:20.50 | Stanzilla | my two random tweak addons were named Fleischpflanzerl and Kartoffelsalat, but the latter died along the way |
| 23:21.13 | Mr_Rabies | i have all the buttons hidden, nevcairiel, except that one since nothing replicates it |
| 23:21.44 | nevcairiel | why would you have two of those Stanzilla :D |
| 23:22.08 | foxlit | psst, share your potato salad recipe. |
| 23:22.19 | Stanzilla | no idea anymore |
| 23:22.31 | nevcairiel | i rather have some Fleischpflanzerl |
| 23:22.37 | nevcairiel | great now i'm getting hungry |
| 23:22.51 | Stanzilla | eating lasagna right now |
| 23:23.06 | foxlit | I think potato salads are just "mix everything salad-like in your fridge with potatoes" |
| 23:23.18 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 23:23.30 | nevcairiel | nothing salad-like really goes in them |
| 23:23.34 | Mr_Rabies | huh, i wonder why the default chat timestamps don't work |
| 23:23.44 | Stanzilla | there are two fundamentally different concepts of potato salad in germany |
| 23:23.48 | foxlit | eggs, cucumbers, ham, pickles, apples, peas, carrots... |
| 23:23.54 | Stanzilla | one is with mayonese or yoghurt and one is with vinegar |
| 23:24.45 | nevcairiel | my potato salads usually dont get a random assortment of vegetables thrown in |
| 23:25.32 | nevcairiel | maybe egg, but i dont like that much personally |
| 23:25.41 | Stanzilla | radieschen! |
| 23:26.11 | foxlit | but egg+potato+mayo makes for a really boring salad. |
| 23:26.40 | nevcairiel | some onions maybe, and perhaps pickles |
| 23:26.52 | nevcairiel | also flavouring of course |
| 23:27.05 | nevcairiel | its just a side dish, not a full meal |
| 23:27.08 | nevcairiel | ordinarily anyway |
| 23:27.29 | Stanzilla | http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/authentic-bavarian-potato-salad-103281 |
| 23:27.42 | sylvanaar | Stanzilla: potato salad with mustard ftw! |
| 23:27.44 | nevcairiel | not even pictures |
| 23:28.18 | nevcairiel | 59.16 ml white vinegar ... americans just cant metric |
| 23:28.25 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 23:28.49 | sylvanaar | im surprised you germans don't put mustard in it |
| 23:29.06 | nevcairiel | in the mayo version definitely do |
| 23:29.13 | nevcairiel | dont know much about the vinegar version |
| 23:29.21 | foxlit | it converts from tablespoons, which is.... helpful? maybe? |
| 23:29.37 | nevcairiel | well it could've employed rounding to look less silly |
| 23:29.40 | foxlit | also "1kg potato" is US units. |
| 23:30.02 | nevcairiel | although in a german recipe it would probably also say spoons |
| 23:30.14 | nevcairiel | except ours are just a bit random, i dont think we have an actual default spoon size =p |
| 23:30.35 | sylvanaar | oh is that the metric equivalent - spoonful? |
| 23:30.48 | nevcairiel | 4 tablespoons of white vinegar makes 59.16 ml |
| 23:30.50 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 23:31.08 | sylvanaar | go figure |
| 23:31.13 | foxlit | 1 pinch of sugar is 0.25ml. I don't even know how you'd measure that. |
| 23:31.22 | nevcairiel | in volume, too |
| 23:31.46 | Stanzilla | https://www.daringgourmet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Swabian-Potato-Salad-2-watermark.jpg |
| 23:31.49 | Stanzilla | *drool* |
| 23:32.00 | nevcairiel | in australia they'll actually give you measurement cups for all those various spoon and cup sizess |
| 23:32.09 | nevcairiel | not sure if the US also has that or its also just random |
| 23:32.10 | foxlit | I have a set of measurement spoons. |
| 23:32.33 | nevcairiel | i've never seen anything like that in germany |
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| 23:32.42 | nevcairiel | despite our recipes calling for spoonfulls |
| 23:32.50 | foxlit | (volume is probably not unreasonable for small amounts, since measuring out 5 grams is just asking for trouble ) |
| 23:32.56 | nevcairiel | so we just all use whichever tea or table spoon we have |
| 23:33.06 | sylvanaar | Stanzilla: I have been there - i know a little swabich "wie sau!" |
| 23:33.07 | nevcairiel | foxlit: but 0.25ml is not? |
| 23:33.07 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:33.27 | foxlit | that's ridiculous regardless of how you measure it. |
| 23:33.37 | Stanzilla | sylvanaar: ;D |
| 23:34.07 | foxlit | smallest measure spoon in set is 1.25ml |
| 23:34.20 | Stanzilla | I just pinch that shit |
| 23:34.41 | sylvanaar | just put some in and taste it |
| 23:34.46 | Stanzilla | yea |
| 23:35.55 | sylvanaar | recipes are like the pirate code anyways |
| 23:35.56 | Mr_Rabies | sylvanaar: i guess if you have prat installed, even with the timestamp module disabled, blizzard timestamps don't work? trying to pass off as much to the default ui as i can, not for resources but for laziness when prat breaks |
| 23:36.21 | sylvanaar | meh, I never turn that one off tbh |
| 23:36.22 | foxlit | it seems kind of pointless to add 0.25ml of sugar to 120ml of oil+vinegar, but it's not like I've tried this. |
| 23:37.36 | sylvanaar | the way prat works it is unlikely to break on the large scale unless the re-engineer chat |
| 23:38.39 | sylvanaar | *they |
| 23:39.36 | nevcairiel | and Dan just goes like "Hold my beer" |
| 23:39.59 | Stanzilla | how many tablespoons of beer are we talking about here |
| 23:40.01 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 23:40.56 | pompy1 | https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/att-time-warner-merger-approved-1202840369/ |
| 23:43.04 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly don't know what "time warner" even means anymore |
| 23:43.18 | Mr_Rabies | tune warner cable spun off as its own thing, is this that? |
| 23:44.27 | sylvanaar | Itâs like itâs own country at this point |
| 23:46.54 | sylvanaar | Time warner cable is now called Spectrum or something like that |
| 23:47.57 | sylvanaar | Thatâs been for a while |
| 23:49.09 | sylvanaar | Mr_Rabies: is the time stamp thing live or beta? |
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| 23:55.03 | Mr_Rabies | live, also seems to apply to other stuff such as class coloring, etc |
| 23:55.32 | Mr_Rabies | if you have them on, but disable prat, they work - which actually isn't awful since i can just use it as a fallback for patch days |
| 23:55.56 | sylvanaar | prat kinda re-implements bliz chat so it is hard to mix and match |
| 23:56.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
