| 00:00.07 | nevcairiel | variables_loaded is a bit of an oddball event, i'm not sure there is any good use of it for addons |
| 00:01.09 | Semlar | i think i use it in AIO |
| 00:01.22 | nevcairiel | it may reflect cvar changes/loading somehow |
| 00:01.34 | nevcairiel | definitely no logner related to addon SV loading tho |
| 00:01.42 | Semlar | it's for cvars |
| 00:01.50 | Semlar | i don't think it has anything to do with saved variables |
| 00:01.58 | nevcairiel | it was changed sometime along the evoluition |
| 00:02.03 | nevcairiel | it used to fire once during loading |
| 00:02.08 | nevcairiel | but it means something else now |
| 00:02.34 | Semlar | i think it fires after the initial loading of cvars from the cvar file |
| 00:02.40 | Semlar | but don't quote me on that |
| 00:04.51 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/wut/#q:VARIABLES_LOADED seems way too popular. |
| 00:04.52 | Semlar | yeah, in AIO i delay the initialization event until after both ADDON_LOADED fires for my saved variables and VARIABLES_LOADED fires to tell me that the game is done loading the default cvars |
| 00:07.23 | Semlar | i can't imagine most addons have any use for it |
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| 02:46.30 | Elmoe | hmm UnitDefense was removed in the latest build? |
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| 07:45.04 | nevcairiel | Elmoe: UnitArmor exists tho |
| 07:46.52 | nevcairiel | the old defense values havent existed for a while anyway |
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| 10:40.37 | Chipzz | .eu servers having issues - first I could log in and get to the char selection screen, except it didn't load account data so there were no chars to select |
| 10:41.00 | Chipzz | that got fixed after relogging, but the account data was still coming in slowly |
| 10:41.16 | Chipzz | now I got in, but the server fails to create pet battles for example |
| 10:41.30 | Chipzz | looks like some kind of load/capacity issue? |
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| 14:17.37 | VIad | foxlit: seems some use it apparently for some wotlk tweak for some reason |
| 14:17.55 | VIad | "In WotLK the VARIABLES_LOADED event would fire when saved variables for addons were fully loaded" |
| 14:18.02 | VIad | someone commented in the code using the event :P |
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| 15:49.23 | sylvanaar | I still use VARIABLES_LOADED in ACP |
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| 16:01.04 | foxlit | yes, grats, you're terrible. |
| 16:01.58 | Funkeh` | ther was never a reason to use it over ADDON_LOADED, but I still wait for the day they simply load the SV var(s) prior to the addon, instead of directly after |
| 16:02.44 | Funkeh` | not sure what the reason is to wait until all your code is loaded to be able to access a magical variable |
| 16:12.09 | Funkeh` | that being said be careful if you end up loading others addons in ADDON_LOADED, we made that mistake once |
| 16:54.54 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 16:54.54 | Fisker | i |
| 16:55.04 | foxlit | hey fisker |
| 16:55.11 | Fisker | i? |
| 16:55.13 | foxlit | u? |
| 16:55.22 | Fisker | k |
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| 17:36.32 | sylvanaar | well for ACP we have to do stuff on ADDON_LOADED, so VARIABLES_LOADED was just a little easier, and besides, what is the big deal other than being a pedant |
| 17:37.18 | sylvanaar | will a kitten die? |
| 17:38.15 | Thunder_Child | Possibly. |
| 17:38.34 | sylvanaar | one of them fires a single time - the other doesn't, easy choice |
| 17:45.59 | foxlit | "leothar: one of my addons resets its savedvariables whenever I switch account" "leothar: I think it's because it was using the VARIABLES_LOADED event" earlier |
| 17:46.36 | Mr_Rabies | i wish there was some way for saved variables to more easily get ported across realms, especially connected realms |
| 17:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | though, actually |
| 17:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | i forget if i manually ported my SVs over to my connected realm or if they share perfectly fine for some addons, now that i think about it |
| 17:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | I should just make a bank alt back on my primary realm |
| 17:48.42 | foxlit | there's no per-realm storage class anyway, so if you're having any issues, you're just fighting whatever profile system that addon came up with. |
| 17:48.43 | Mr_Rabies | now that the character slots are much higher now |
| 17:49.12 | Mr_Rabies | altoholic and auctionator are the two biggest ones i have crossrealm issues with, and also the least likely to get fixed :v |
| 17:51.48 | sylvanaar | doesn't make any sense to me how using one event over the other would cause that problem |
| 18:01.48 | foxlit | the event you're using comes with no guarantees regarding when or how it'll fire. |
| 18:02.17 | foxlit | maybe in some circumstances it'll fire before your addon is loaded. Or maybe between your code loading and your SVs. |
| 18:05.24 | sylvanaar | alright, fair enough |
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| 18:09.29 | VIad | back in the day I too had some issues with ADDON_LOADED but I reckon these days there are no isses with it anymore, works properly and always has my SV available on the event. |
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| 20:46.48 | Gnarfoz | the widespread use of V_L over A_L perhaps stems from A_L only being added in patch 1.7? |
| 20:48.54 | nevcairiel | more like misinformation and cargo-culting |
| 20:51.41 | Gnarfoz | well, duh :D |
| 20:51.53 | Gnarfoz | old info dies hard |
| 20:53.37 | sylvanaar | it was a reasonable choice back in the day - they just changed it |
| 20:54.47 | nevcairiel | ever since ADDON_LOADED existed it really didnt serve that purpose anylonger |
| 20:55.19 | sylvanaar | yeah, but it was part of the loading sequence and fired at a reliable time |
| 20:55.49 | Gnarfoz | 13 years ago ^^ |
| 20:55.53 | sylvanaar | i get it though - technically not correct |
| 20:56.05 | sylvanaar | they changed it in 3.0'ish |
| 20:56.16 | sylvanaar | according to google |
| 20:56.48 | sylvanaar | plus - even after the change, it still worked - just no guarantee |
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| 20:58.50 | sylvanaar | anyway ACP was fine using VL since vanilla - nobody ever reported issues, but w/e live and learn I updated it |
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