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| 00:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | i always thought opie was a good idea but i could never find a practical use for it after the MoP garden |
| 00:01.52 | Mr_Rabies | so when it became a hammer in search of a nail for several years i just uninstalled it |
| 00:08.18 | foxlit | getting stuff like cooking off your action bars was always the intended practical use :P |
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| 00:38.38 | Stanzilla | love my utility ring with mounts professions etc |
| 00:38.43 | Stanzilla | teleports! |
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| 01:02.57 | Simca | Mr_Rabies: do what I do. replace R and F. I can't give up WASD/QE either, but i can give up R, F, and V. |
| 01:03.13 | Simca | I put my movement abilities on R, AoE on F, and defensives on V |
| 01:13.14 | Constie_ | I have a very important favorite toys OPie ring so I can take selfies during boss intermissions and stuff. |
| 01:17.14 | Simca | same |
| 01:17.40 | Simca | i have one for consumables in my bags (non-combat consumables, like appearance swap gem, swapblaster, etc) and one for toys in the toy box |
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| 10:45.38 | Simca | hm. is C_BlackMarket.RequestItems restricted to hardware-events only? was trying to run it like /run C_Timer.NewTimer(15, function() C_BlackMarket.RequestItems() end) |
| 10:45.42 | Simca | and it was only running once |
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| 15:19.30 | [TOM_RUS]|2 | TheDanW: https://i.imgur.com/hQCmNQQ.jpg lua error on first login after transfer when switching available character name declinations |
| 15:21.17 | foxlit | or just, you know, on every character creation. |
| 15:25.13 | [TOM_RUS] | well may be, because it shows that same window on creation too |
| 15:29.21 | [TOM_RUS] | also all macros gone |
| 15:30.01 | [TOM_RUS] | they should be copied, I had server sync enabled, but nope :/ |
| 15:38.45 | [TOM_RUS] | so I turned off settings sync, copied all stuff from old realm, logged in, everything back |
| 15:38.55 | [TOM_RUS] | then enabled sync again, relogged |
| 15:38.59 | [TOM_RUS] | everything gone |
| 15:39.01 | [TOM_RUS] | why? |
| 15:39.20 | [TOM_RUS] | should not it sync what I had before I reenabled sync? |
| 15:39.31 | [TOM_RUS] | instead of sending me old useless data |
| 15:41.57 | [TOM_RUS] | or is there some addon that able to save/load macros/keybindings? |
| 15:42.09 | [TOM_RUS] | because fuck blizzard shit it never works correctly |
| 15:44.18 | Andols | Is WTF/Account/<Account>/<Server>/<Character>/macros-cache.txt and bindings-cache.wtf empty? |
| 15:45.04 | Andols | for pre transfer? |
| 15:46.17 | [TOM_RUS] | I have all old data |
| 15:47.00 | [TOM_RUS] | but that data refuses to load when I enable server sync, it loads empty data form server instead overwriting everything |
| 15:47.03 | Andols | oh, you said you copied it, my bad |
| 15:52.26 | [TOM_RUS] | https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/action-bar-profiles let's see if this thing works... |
| 16:04.45 | [TOM_RUS] | ok that addon works |
| 16:08.39 | [TOM_RUS] | basically disable server sync, copy old files, get in game, save profile with that addon, enable sync, relog, load profile... |
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| 16:59.55 | TheDanW | [TOM_RUS]: got it, thanks |
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| 19:05.17 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: do you guys plan on continuing these kind of improvements into the various patches of BfA or was this an expansion one of |
| 19:10.29 | TheDanW | i certainly hope to |
| 19:11.31 | Infus | TheDanW: so the tostring("inf") difference between live and 8.0, is that due to the diffent "math" handling, as the other guys told me? |
| 19:11.57 | TheDanW | i believe that its assertions enabled builds handle it differently |
| 19:12.18 | Infus | okay thanks |
| 19:13.01 | TheDanW | i don't know why, it was added before my time |
| 19:15.15 | TheDanW | looks like around the end of cata |
| 19:16.37 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: would it be possible to improve C_Map.GetPlayerMapPosition somehow? For example, providing a version with a table that only returns the x and y, or a recycled table, etc |
| 19:16.52 | Funkeh` | Using it in an OnUpdate is a no-go like the old version |
| 19:21.58 | TheDanW | have you actually measured the performance? |
| 19:22.27 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 19:23.19 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: define performance? Memory growth is through the roof, that's why one of my suggestions was a smaller table |
| 19:24.02 | TheDanW | the growth doesn't matter, only the performance of the collection |
| 19:24.20 | Funkeh` | ofc it matters |
| 19:25.31 | Funkeh` | the alternative right now is throttling it and warning users against using it |
| 19:26.20 | TheDanW | why do you think it matters? |
| 19:26.59 | Funkeh` | why do you think creating 120 keyd tables a second doesn't matter? |
| 19:30.43 | TheDanW | that's not what i said, i'm looking for data that proves that it's an issue |
| 19:33.02 | Funkeh` | I don't have CPU numbers, just memory numbers. To just assume that "this constant table construction and destruction is fine and won't affect CPU performance" is strange |
| 19:33.37 | Funkeh` | and I'm telling you right now that every author using it will just end up throttling severely, which may or may not have been the intention of this change |
| 19:45.50 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: growth is 108kb/s when throttled to 40fps, tripple that for standing around in a city, that's not acceptable |
| 19:46.27 | Funkeh` | give it a few seconds and you've already overtaken damage meters |
| 19:46.49 | foxlit | Funkeh`: you're assuming that memory growth, by itself, is a concern. |
| 19:47.27 | Funkeh` | i was pretty specific in what is causing the memory growth |
| 19:47.34 | Funkeh` | so no, not "by itself" |
| 19:47.51 | foxlit | I don't care. If it turns out that collection takes 1ms ever 5 minutes, you're wasting everyone's time. |
| 19:50.22 | Funkeh` | I'll be resetting the option, disabling by default, and adding a large warning to create bug reports about it |
| 19:50.39 | Funkeh` | If anyones time is being wasted, it won't be mine with user complaints |
| 19:52.37 | foxlit | How dramatic. |
| 19:52.53 | Funkeh` | I thought you didn't care? |
| 19:54.55 | foxlit | I don't care, and I think you're being overly dramatic. |
| 19:55.32 | Funkeh` | Re-directing complaining users away from me is being dramatic, -foxlit 2018 |
| 20:01.24 | TheDanW | i just benchmarked it, for 5000 calls the collection time in a stop-the-world collection is less than a millisecond on an AE build, and is within a few percent of a non-table version; most of the time spent isn't collecting the tables |
| 20:04.09 | Funkeh` | the collection time was never my concern |
| 20:04.16 | TheDanW | that is the only concern |
| 20:04.43 | Funkeh` | for you sure |
| 20:05.25 | foxlit | (well, the time spent creating those tables vs just returning two plain values might be a concern, but the absolute difference is probably insiginificant) |
| 20:08.07 | Funkeh` | i'll add a slider to let the user control the throttle |
| 20:08.19 | foxlit | it seems like a reasonable response to any "look at that allocation rate!" complaints is just "stop looking at that allocation rate, it doesn't actually measurably impact your frame rate, which is the only thing you should care about" |
| 20:08.40 | Funkeh` | that way at least they can understand the impact of their choice |
| 20:17.44 | nebula | which is...trivial? |
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| 21:34.41 | Simca | users actually come to you and complain about increased memory allocation rate? seems pretty weird. |
| 21:35.54 | Gethe_ | TheDanW: is there a lua equivalent of the xml attribute useParentLevel? |
| 21:36.13 | Simca | maybe blizzard should just hide memory stats by addon behind the CPU debugging flag and kill all user complaints that way |
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| 21:40.45 | Simca | i mean it's the equivalent of a customer coming up to you in a department store where you're working and saying "I want a computer with all the RAMs. RAMs make it go fast." |
| 21:41.11 | Simca | so you go to the manufacturer and say you need more RAM in your computers |
| 21:41.16 | Simca | instead of addressing the customer issue |
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| 21:55.38 | TheDanW | Gethe: nope :/ |
| 21:56.47 | Gethe | darn :( Any chance we could get one? |
| 22:09.09 | TheDanW | Gethe: i'll add it to the list |
| 22:09.20 | Funkeh` | the infamous list |
| 22:09.46 | Gethe | <3 |
| 22:09.51 | nebula | isn't that just the default? or what does the xml attrib do? |
| 22:10.30 | Funkeh` | so TheDanW did you benchmark cpu usage for calling it 120x a second |
| 22:10.53 | Gethe | from what i can tell it locks the frame to the same frame level of the parent, ignoring any calls to SetFrameLevel |
| 22:11.01 | nebula | ahso |
| 22:11.25 | TheDanW | it always links the two frames such that they render at exactly the same frame level, by default child frames are +1 from their parent, but any frame level changes aren't propagated |
| 22:11.54 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: doesn't matter, the gc is incremental, it's less of a concern |
| 22:12.15 | Funkeh` | i didn't mean the gc tho |
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| 22:26.31 | TheDanW | i'm sure its more expensive, i'm also sure it doesn't matter |
| 22:36.49 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: but cleu args do? |
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| 22:38.45 | TheDanW | they weren't changed for perf |
| 22:40.49 | Funkeh` | what were they changed for? |
| 22:41.36 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.35 | Funkeh` | never used that |
| 22:43.47 | foxlit | you've said nothing about your actual use case, so only you know what you're doing. |
| 22:44.46 | Funkeh` | you didnt care |
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