| 00:05.08 | Chipzz | TheDanW: welcome back from vacation! Hope you enjoyed it. Just noticed a small typo in GetAchievementCriteriaInfo, the error message it produces on invalid parameters is missing a t, GetAchievementCrieriaInfo :P |
| 00:06.20 | TheDanW | virtually unplayable |
| 00:07.35 | TheDanW | there's actually more in related functions :/ |
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| 01:02.18 | Gnarfoz | invasion of the red squiggly lines! |
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| 01:39.34 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: I was trying for Sauron, but whatever. |
| 02:07.30 | MentalPower | nimhfree: that only works because WWDC's tickets are $1.6k. People are hesitant to put that on their card unless they *know* they're going to go. |
| 02:07.51 | MentalPower | At $150 the BC tickets would still be mostly scalpers |
| 02:09.03 | MentalPower | Now, if you require active Battle.net accounts with N-hrs+ on any game then you can do a lottery |
| 02:09.48 | nimhfree | I still think it would be fairer to people that were actually attempting to go to allow a random selection from those that register for a ticket, instead of letting scalpers who can game the system whose only purpose is to resell tickets suck up tons of the tickets. |
| 02:10.58 | nimhfree | I would just allow one ticket per battle net account (whether you want a minimum game time is another issue, but it could be a good barrier to entry), and have people register their desire over a week. so no major pressure. |
| 02:11.32 | MentalPower | I think you need to account for families so multiple tickets should still be an option |
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| 02:13.54 | nimhfree | the issue is the ticket needs to be issued to named individuals. that can be tracked through a battle.net account. once a ticket is issued, it cannot be reassigned. family purchases could be done if each holder has a battle.net account. |
| 02:29.41 | kd3 | whee. mid-3 earthquake in east-bay |
| 02:30.19 | MentalPower | saw the chatter on Twitter |
| 02:31.12 | MentalPower | nimhfree: that gets really complicated at the time of purchase. Imagine a 4 person family, how do you tag all the accounts as being part of a group? In other words, if I were a parent, either we all go or none of us do. |
| 02:31.25 | kd3 | kinda crazy. I haven't even been out here 3 years, thought "mid-3?" and the usgs agrees... |
| 02:32.58 | MentalPower | you've gotten good at this kd3 |
| 02:33.03 | nimhfree | MentalPower: not hard at all. when you register from your battle.net account, you also register the associated accounts, and say we want to go as a group. the randomizer can take this into account when it does its work. so you can all qualify or none. |
| 02:33.48 | MentalPower | I don't think bnet has a concept of linked accounts, except maybe in extreme fraud/ban scenarios |
| 02:34.02 | MentalPower | Just saying, it would be harder since the data is not there |
| 02:34.11 | MentalPower | whereas they already have the data of how much we play |
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| 02:44.43 | nimhfree | MentalPower: I mean that when I want to have others join me in a block purchase, I manually add those other accounts to be associated with mine. sort of like adding your friendsâ tags. instead I say for this upcoming BlizzCon I want to be in a block with this small set of accounts (that could be family, friends, etc.) |
| 02:47.25 | Thunder_Child | kd3: Pfft, you still notice them. |
| 02:48.12 | MentalPower | That could work |
| 02:48.46 | kd3 | eh. hard not to notice the building getting hit by a truck |
| 02:49.28 | Iriel | kd3: Oddly enough I was standing and didn't notice it at all, my wife was sitting and said 'Earthquake?' |
| 02:50.13 | Thunder_Child | We had that at the office the other day, a 3.x hit somewhere nearby and no one standing even notcied. |
| 02:59.11 | Iriel | The dog didn't notice either |
| 02:59.41 | kd3 | eh, I'm sure I'll stop feeling them soon enough. at least it was an excuse to meet a few neighbors |
| 03:00.25 | Iriel | Presumably you were much closer to it than I was |
| 03:00.40 | kd3 | maps saying ~5km from epicenter |
| 03:00.45 | Iriel | I don't miss the ones that shake the house |
| 03:01.20 | Iriel | I'm about 3 times as far as that |
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| 03:21.21 | nimhfree | does anyone know whether 8.x will support a hyperlink format to get âGameObjectâ information? for example, for creatures we can use âunit:Creatureâ¦â and for items we can use âitem:â¦â A typical âGameObjectâ would be a wanted poster. |
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| 12:54.03 | nebula | doubtful, api has never returned info for doodads |
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| 15:11.47 | Justwait | yea makes sense Elmoe to add them for healing mechanics like that :) indeed used from time to time. |
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| 17:10.55 | Shooter_ | On beta, is there any replacement for C_WorldMap.GetMapLandmarkInfo(i) that does not require player to be on map being checked? C_AreaPoiInfo.GetAreaPOIForMap(m) only seems to work for map player is on. |
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| 17:30.36 | Gethe | @Shooter: it seems they split that up depending on the landmark type. ie: C_DeathInfo.GetGraveyardsForMap and C_Map.GetMapLinksForMap |
| 17:38.57 | TheDanW | landmarks as a concept no longer exist, nearly every type of landmark had special rules that were non-obvious leading to tons of full map updates |
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| 17:39.22 | Funkeh` | so what would you call the pvp objectives on the map then |
| 17:39.25 | TheDanW | Gethe is correct, each old type of landmark has a dedicated API now |
| 17:39.37 | Funkeh` | like arathi basin |
| 17:39.48 | TheDanW | depends on their source, they're likely either vignettes or area pois |
| 17:40.44 | Funkeh` | i should look into the (live) issues with wintergrasp now you've got this stuff one beta, see if's it's resolved |
| 17:41.14 | Funkeh` | it was so broken you would have to zone in to the map to get any data |
| 17:41.20 | Funkeh` | browsing to the map wasn't good enough |
| 17:43.47 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: is GetWorldPVPAreaInfo going to get nuked? |
| 17:44.42 | TheDanW | wasn't planning on it |
| 17:44.52 | Funkeh` | also wasn't Ashran removed in BfA? GetNumWorldPVPAreas() still returns 3 (Wintergrasp, Tol Barad, Ashran) |
| 17:44.54 | TheDanW | i'm not certain if it functions though |
| 17:45.34 | Funkeh` | doesn't look like it unfortunately |
| 17:45.38 | Funkeh` | the time returns 0 now |
| 17:45.41 | Funkeh` | shit |
| 17:46.39 | Funkeh` | is there a workaround using the new map stuff to get start times for wintergrasp/tol barad? |
| 17:47.51 | TheDanW | C_PvP.GetOutdoorPvPWaitTime(uiMapID) |
| 17:48.15 | TheDanW | should work with 123 and 244 |
| 17:49.16 | Funkeh` | they both return empty standing in orgrimmar |
| 17:50.09 | Funkeh` | and for some reason i can no longer navigate to tolbarad on the map, it's not clickable when vieweing eastern kingdoms |
| 17:51.11 | TheDanW | you need to be in the correct world, there's potentially multiple instances of the zones |
| 17:52.10 | Funkeh` | oh dear |
| 17:54.24 | Funkeh` | unfortunately it's kinda a useless timer if you need to be there to see it |
| 17:55.22 | nevcairiel | just need to be on the continent :p |
| 17:55.32 | Funkeh` | no, doesn't work in stormwind |
| 17:55.37 | Funkeh` | for tol barad that is |
| 17:55.42 | Funkeh` | you need to take the portal there |
| 17:56.10 | nevcairiel | but the UI not knowing which instance you get thrown into when you actually go there seems like something outside of its influence |
| 17:56.44 | Funkeh` | different instances really screws with the entire concept of these 2 pvp zones |
| 17:56.53 | Alram | its already like that now though |
| 17:58.20 | Funkeh` | should probably just remove them |
| 18:03.13 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: could we get tol barad to apply to more than just the 2 islands, like wintergrasp applies to the whole continent? |
| 18:03.30 | Funkeh` | since you can portal there via cities |
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| 18:04.58 | TheDanW | that's way beyond the scope of UI |
| 18:05.26 | Funkeh` | well, time to nuke this feature |
| 18:08.23 | Funkeh` | anyway TheDanW should prob get QA to look at why the Tol Barad map isn't clickable |
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| 18:25.12 | Funkeh` | so TheDanW would C_Map.GetMapLinksForMap(C_Map.GetBestMapForUnit("player")) get all the poi ids that you then query with C_AreaPoiInfo.AreaPOIInfo ? |
| 18:26.13 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: be bold, go Morgoth |
| 18:28.59 | nebula | map links are literally links to another map, so...probably not? |
| 18:29.50 | TheDanW | GetMapLinksForMap are the doors that show up in dungeons, so they have a location, but GetMapLinksForMap returns a list of tables, they already have all the information you'd need, no need to feed it back into areapoiinfo |
| 18:31.04 | Funkeh` | and is WORLD_MAP_UPDATE still the goto event to listen to for poi changes |
| 18:31.47 | nebula | AREA_POIS_UPDATED |
| 18:32.11 | Gethe | WORLD_MAP_UPDATE is gone |
| 18:32.12 | nebula | for stuff that uses C_AreaPoiInfo atleast |
| 18:33.12 | TheDanW | map links don't really change, if they do it would be in response to a world state changing |
| 18:33.37 | Funkeh` | im looking for poi changes on pvp maps |
| 18:34.05 | Funkeh` | i.e. replacing WORLD_MAP_UPDATE > GetNumMapLandmarks > GetMapLandmarkInfo |
| 18:34.12 | TheDanW | then like nebula said, AREA_POIS_UPDATED would be the primary event |
| 18:36.15 | Funkeh` | think GetAreaPOIForMap looks like a better solution |
| 18:36.56 | TheDanW | those are a small subset of all the possible things that could be on the map, you'll certainly want to look at VignetteDataProvider.lua also |
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| 19:07.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.32 | Thunder_Child | You mean that users response? Not really. |
| 19:14.19 | Thunder_Child | I would throw a different term in there. To me Press is pre, pressed is post, and depressed is current. |
| 19:14.38 | Simca | but he didn't change that part |
| 19:14.45 | Simca | despite complaining about it |
| 19:14.53 | Simca | it still says pressed and released in the exact same spots |
| 19:15.04 | Simca | he just removed the word 'considered' |
| 19:15.19 | Thunder_Child | He uses click instead of pressed |
| 19:15.37 | Simca | no, he still uses pressed |
| 19:15.38 | nebula | guy was immediately aggressive, i'd just tell him to eat a dick |
| 19:15.44 | Thunder_Child | Oh, not true. |
| 19:16.00 | Thunder_Child | Yea, I see that Simca. |
| 19:18.11 | Simca | i mean the entire discussion is pedantry corner central, and the original text is more than clear enough because it uses parentheses to clarify potential misinterpretations. i also disagree with his hatred of the word 'considered' because this is programming, and that word is nearly always appropriate because actions don't have to be actually physical, just simulating real ones. |
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| 19:18.40 | TheDanW | the present documentation looks correct to me |
| 19:19.04 | Simca | as to whether "pressed" or "clicked" or "dropped a stack of pancakes on the key" is more grammatically correct, that sounds like a really productive discussion that they should continue in great detail |
| 19:20.05 | Thunder_Child | He did have a point about using the same terminology as what Blizz uses. |
| 19:20.26 | Thunder_Child | Might help someone browsing the API docs. |
| 19:21.01 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: I don't think that claim is even true. |
| 19:21.35 | TheDanW | we'd use "down" |
| 19:24.00 | foxlit | I mean, the non-confrontational way to fix this is to change the docs to say that the down parameter will be converted to a boolean and passed to the PreClick/OnClick/PostClick handlers on the widget. |
| 19:25.21 | foxlit | But then I'll never find out what "processed as activated when pressed (if true)" means, and where's the fun in that? |
| 19:26.06 | Simca | i'm shaking my head at you irl |
| 19:27.07 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.34 | foxlit | ("if Y is to occur when X" -> "wait for X before doing Y" versus "pretend X while doing Y") |
| 19:32.00 | Simca | i wonder if i can hire this user to take my technical writing class for me |
| 19:32.18 | Simca | it's one of the like remaining 6 courses i need for a degree but i am too lazy to actually do it |
| 19:32.25 | nebula | probably argue with the teacher about every little thing |
| 19:32.38 | nebula | tech writing is so easy, though |
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| 19:39.24 | nebula | but i swear, people get so touchy about wiki edits, i reverted a edit for being wrong and he was all "well i guess i won't waste my time updating things anymore" |
| 19:41.23 | Torhal | That would be recklessly stupid, Gnarfoz. |
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| 20:08.48 | Stanzilla | I'm eating chili con carne, Torhal |
| 20:13.18 | Torhal | Do you have permission? |
| 20:13.41 | Torhal | I mean, someone might start yelling things like "cultural appropriation" or something... |
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| 20:18.14 | Stanzilla | I'm actually probably defying geneva convention by eating it with spaetzle |
| 20:18.43 | nevcairiel | thats most definely a warcrime |
| 20:18.46 | nevcairiel | definitely* |
| 20:18.50 | Torhal | Whoah, man. Don't go all war criminal on us. |
| 20:20.14 | Stanzilla | it's a great match though |
| 20:23.04 | sylvanaar | edit my wiki baby |
| 20:26.22 | nevcairiel | thats the same guy that foxlit put on a wiki vacation a few months ago already, isnt it =p |
| 20:29.07 | Stanzilla | Oh I know him |
| 20:29.16 | Stanzilla | he is on the WeakAuras discord and very special |
| 21:08.26 | foxlit | TheDanW: why do the docs for UNIT_POWER_UPDATE and other UNIT_STUFF claim that the events don't include a unit parameter in the payload? |
| 21:10.51 | foxlit | (e.g. this: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_APIDocumentation/UnitDocumentation.lua#691 ) |
| 21:19.41 | TheDanW | doh :/ they use a different method to include the unit param, i forgot to look at that for docs |
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| 21:22.11 | Ketho | UNIT_STUFF sounds nice |
| 21:22.42 | Stanzilla | hey foxlit did you ask yet why GetTime() does not return the time since your computer was turned on? |
| 21:22.45 | Thunder_Child | not to be confused with UNIT_THINGS. |
| 21:23.00 | Stanzilla | hides |
| 21:23.14 | nevcairiel | silly Stanzilla, it does return that |
| 21:23.34 | Stanzilla | foxlit had a nice discussion on the wiki about that |
| 21:23.42 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 21:27.30 | TheDanW | foxlit: fixed, thanks! |
| 21:41.21 | nimhfree | now I miss Spaetzle, and afterwards Mandeleis |
| 22:02.19 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: any news about the SmoothStatusBarMixin bug btw? It's not setting targetValue |
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| 22:03.35 | TheDanW | Stanzilla: i fixed it yesterday |
| 22:03.42 | Stanzilla | yay, thanks! |
| 22:06.07 | Ellypse | TheDanW: Did you have time to ask around for the SendAddonMessage cross realm? I know it's probably a low priority thing but it got me all excited :D |
| 22:16.21 | TheDanW | Ellypse: the engineer that added the logged addon communication is out, i'll ask him when he's back, maybe next weekish |
| 22:16.51 | nevcairiel | i was wondering about that, what exactly is the usecase for logged addon comm anyway? |
| 22:16.55 | nevcairiel | also, where does it log to? :D |
| 22:17.56 | Ellypse | Okay, great :D Thanks for the answer. I'd be happy to hear more about the logged addon communication too by the way. I asked my CS contact for the harassment with RP profiles issue if that was for this specific issue and they said no, so I'm interested to know the usecase for it |
| 22:19.11 | TheDanW | it's for addons that want GMs to be able to check addon communication logs, primarily for harassment that would otherwise be invisible; obviously the addon needs to opt in to using it and send plain text through that channel |
| 22:19.26 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 22:19.53 | TheDanW | Ellypse: that would be a perfect use for it |
| 22:20.30 | Ellypse | So my contact was wrong and it is indeed intended for RP profiles. I wish I knew earlier. That would require a lot of rewrite of the communication protocol RP addons used to talk with each other |
| 22:21.04 | Ellypse | The fact that it is throttled means we need to use the old way for day to day use but have some way to have the content go through this new function when we need reporting I guess |
| 22:21.30 | TheDanW | you should only use that channel for communication you want logged, anything else should use the existing addon comm channel |
| 22:21.43 | TheDanW | both channels are throttled, fwiw |
| 22:21.48 | Stanzilla | add an emergency "I am getting bullied" button that enables it. |
| 22:22.08 | Ellypse | Is the throttling the same? |
| 22:22.27 | nevcairiel | its still a bit silly that the client just disconnects you if you try to send a too long message, btw :p |
| 22:22.34 | nevcairiel | maybe throw an error instead :D |
| 22:22.54 | Ellypse | (I'm probably gonna regret saying this) because RP profiles are quite huge and sometimes take something like 30 messages or more to send |
| 22:23.08 | TheDanW | i believe so, yes |
| 22:23.17 | nevcairiel | that doesnt sound very plain text-y for GMs to read anyway |
| 22:24.18 | Ellypse | Yeah. That's one other issue. The data is a table and it is serialized. |
| 22:24.47 | Ellypse | So it's gonna be standard SendAddonMessage for serialized data and a reporting option to send the content of a single field as plain text of the logged one |
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| 22:25.51 | Ellypse | Do I need to keep track of message IDs or will the GM access the messages themselves |
| 22:26.45 | Ellypse | *? |
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| 22:36.08 | TheDanW | treat it as if it was a regular chat message |
| 22:36.39 | Ellypse | So they have an ID and I should keep it and use that ID for the reporting functions? |
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| 22:47.15 | TheDanW | i don't think you should worry about lineIDs or anything like that, it doesn't really make sense here |
| 22:47.40 | TheDanW | reporting by creating a player location from guid would be sufficient |
| 22:48.09 | TheDanW | or if the player uses the built-in mechanisms, like the unit frame dropdown or help system would be fine |
| 22:48.58 | Ellypse | Okay, great, perfect :D Thanks a lot for all the info <3 |
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| 23:23.49 | Stanzilla | http://xelnath.com/2018/05/15/the-mop-warlock-what-you-knew-and-what-you-never-knew-you-missed/ |
| 23:25.08 | Simca | real build this time |
| 23:25.22 | nevcairiel | yup just downloaded, 2.45gb |
| 23:31.27 | Funkeh` | they did say they were removing ashran right, i'm not going nuts |
| 23:31.38 | Simca | yeah |
| 23:31.46 | Simca | they said it was temporary but would be gone for a while |
| 23:32.31 | Simca | that's probably a lie fwiw, battle.net tells you total download size of archives but doesn't actually perform the download based on archives, it uses patching diffs |
| 23:32.58 | Simca | which leads very frequently to the assertion on the forums that 'this patch must be huge' when it usually isn't |
| 23:33.11 | Simca | not that that assertion is -always- wrong, it just usually is |