| 00:00.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 00:00.24 | purl | steals zenzelezz's mojo |
| 00:01.24 | zenzelezz | oh snap |
| 00:02.17 | zenzelezz | I'm out of Morgan :( |
| 00:02.26 | zenzelezz | though at least I could drink on a Monday |
| 00:03.56 | p3lim | fuck it, I'm done with curse |
| 00:04.22 | p3lim | essentially being harrased with IRS forms now, sending me a mail every 10 minutes for the past two days |
| 00:04.46 | p3lim | and I'm not even an US citizen |
| 00:07.52 | p3lim | not to mention a few months back I literally had to spend days "rescuing" my account from the twitch merge |
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| 00:08.12 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 00:08.50 | zenzelezz | is Curse part of Twitch/Amazon now? |
| 00:09.07 | p3lim | has been for some time |
| 00:09.37 | p3lim | the curse client is even called "Twitch Client" |
| 00:09.38 | zenzelezz | I don't generally follow Curse |
| 00:10.21 | p3lim | and the whole thing is about streaming from twitch with a tiny subsection for downloading addons in the back (which I still don't understand is being done in the same client) |
| 00:11.23 | foxlit | so what's the great alternative? |
| 00:11.41 | zenzelezz | you could stream yourself updating your addons |
| 00:12.17 | p3lim | there's minion from wowi, but the most popular addons dont really update there so |
| 00:14.28 | Stanzilla | money > no money |
| 00:14.47 | p3lim | harassment < no harassment |
| 00:15.06 | Stanzilla | just fill out the form |
| 00:15.07 | Stanzilla | takes 4 min |
| 00:16.07 | Stanzilla | nothing from their IT department works correctly so not surprised emails dont either |
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| 00:20.44 | Torhal | Amazon brought the program under their tax policies. If your country has a tax treaty with the US (which the UK and many others do) you'll be fine, providing you fill out the form. |
| 00:20.45 | p3lim | that amazing $30-60/y or whatever with a 3 month delay on reward processing? worth |
| 00:20.46 | Primer | .7X > 0 where X > 0 |
| 00:21.36 | foxlit | the cost of dealing with curse bullshit isn't 0. |
| 00:22.17 | p3lim | Torhal: not to be disrespecful or anything, I've always liked curse, but with all the events happening the past year I just can't be arsed any more |
| 00:22.44 | Torhal | It's been a nightmare on our side, too. :/ |
| 00:23.57 | foxlit | but hey, you can just ignore it for three years and hope that's enough time for amazon to either close them or fix them. |
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| 00:41.54 | Ketho | would be nice if we could get discount on amazon gift cards |
| 00:42.35 | foxlit | aren't you already getting a 100% discount on amazon gift cards by the virtue of them materializing without you paying money for them? |
| 00:45.09 | Ketho | I'd imagine curse somehow could get those gift cards cheaper now but points stayed kinda the same |
| 00:45.44 | foxlit | ah, so a "make steam cards/paypal more expensive, point-wise" kind of thing? |
| 00:48.57 | Stanzilla | dealing with their shitty packager costs me more nerves than any points could balance out |
| 00:50.16 | foxlit | I like uploading zips. The closer this gets to a dumb file distribution service, the less there's to mess up. |
| 00:51.40 | Stanzilla | I really should switch to that |
| 00:51.59 | zenzelezz | rar4lyfe |
| 00:52.03 | Stanzilla | their shit is so bad, it can't even handle git branches |
| 00:52.14 | Stanzilla | I made a tag on a feature branch and it stopped packaging master because of that |
| 01:23.10 | nebula | maybe if you did what they designed it for you wouldn't have any issues! |
| 01:25.12 | nebula | and with the tax thing, they really should have put in there somewhere it only applies if they pay you more than 600$ a year |
| 01:26.21 | nebula | although i don't know if that's different for w8ben |
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| 05:15.04 | Simca_ | the tax stuff has sucked, but amazon's tax interview thingy is pretty nice at least. though i hear their address verification automation can be harsh on some foreign addresses. |
| 05:51.22 | Chipzz | p3lim: yeah the twich client makes very little sense, especially since every time I start it (which, admittedly, hasn't been a lot lately - end of expansion, not a lot of updates to addons anymore anyway) it required an update |
| 05:51.34 | Chipzz | having to update the updater is a bit too meta for my taste :P |
| 05:52.02 | Chipzz | but at least twitch client allows "Update All" without the need for a subscription, so at least there's that |
| 05:53.11 | Chipzz | the updates are annoying because they're likely for the streaming part of the client, which ironically most people do not care about :) |
| 05:54.31 | Chipzz | and ironically the meta updates usually take longer to download than the addon updates too :P |
| 06:00.04 | Simca_ | i've actually never noticed the meta updates, but i let it boot on system boot, so it probably handles them then |
| 06:05.15 | Andols2 | I love the streaming part :D |
| 06:08.35 | p3lim | Simca_: Amazon doesn't even accept the symbols in my address lol |
| 06:08.56 | p3lim | nor my state |
| 06:10.30 | p3lim | Chipzz: I've been using BigWigs' packager for some time after giving up on the CF one, it kept breaking down and packaging my addons incorrectly :/ |
| 06:11.18 | p3lim | which was made worse by the fact that the team responsible for resolving those issues were "forced" to start working on the twitch desktop client instead, completely abandoning the packager |
| 06:11.46 | nebula | just blame Torhal, he loves that |
| 06:12.05 | p3lim | :p |
| 06:12.13 | p3lim | I recall him being frustrated over it too |
| 06:17.37 | Simca_ | thankfully it still works decently for mercurial |
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| 07:58.25 | p3lim | people use mercurial? |
| 07:59.50 | Kalroth | only in strong alcoholic drinks |
| 09:08.36 | nevcairiel | All the time spent whining about the tax process last night would've easily been enough to just fill out the form :p |
| 09:10.56 | nevcairiel | (And filling out that online form was much easier then filling out the form the first time around some years ago, I think we actually had to print it and fill it out manually, or some shit?) |
| 09:16.18 | foxlit | you could just email the pdf over the internets. |
| 09:16.33 | nevcairiel | i think they wanted an actual signature |
| 09:17.08 | foxlit | pdfs can do that(tm). |
| 09:17.30 | nevcairiel | not IRS PDFs |
| 09:17.32 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 09:18.12 | foxlit | I don't know what you mean. |
| 09:19.44 | nevcairiel | also this was possibly like 10 years ago |
| 09:20.31 | nebula | i vaguely remember printing it out, signing it, scanning it then emailing it to someone |
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| 09:22.08 | nevcairiel | they probably could've avoided many complaints if they only did that for people that got over the yearly threshhold where this is actually required, but maybe amazon just wants to cover its ass |
| 09:24.19 | foxlit | no opinion on the current procedure, as the 2fa change makes the whole thing moot for me. |
| 09:25.05 | nebula | you're that adverse to using an app? |
| 09:27.17 | foxlit | I'm that averse to giving random websites a phone number. |
| 09:27.33 | nebula | just get some free voip number |
| 09:29.53 | foxlit | (a) that seems terrible from a security perspective (b) does that actually work in this case? |
| 09:30.35 | nevcairiel | there are some voip numbers that actually do nothing but offer text service |
| 09:30.58 | nebula | We may have difficulty reaching VoIP texting services, as some do not accept SMS from US short codes. |
| 09:31.02 | nebula | sounds like they allow it |
| 09:31.20 | nebula | and you can change the number every 30 days or something if it goes inactive/changes |
| 09:36.32 | foxlit | that sounds like an invitation to spend a few hours researching voip providers, pick one, and discover that it doesn't work |
| 09:39.41 | nebula | i use freepop for throw away numbers, just created an account |
| 09:39.49 | nebula | (on authy) |
| 09:39.57 | nebula | (with the free voip number) |
| 09:40.16 | nebula | freedom pop, even |
| 09:46.27 | nebula | interestly though, i can't delete the account because it thinks the number is a landline now? lol |
| 09:48.53 | foxlit | their privacy policy seems to basically be "we sell your data to anyone who wants it" |
| 09:56.01 | nebula | freedompop? doesn't surprise me, they offer free (or cheap paid) cell service and internet |
| 09:56.38 | foxlit | (which is probably fine assuming twitch/authy doesn't do anything silly like putting account details in texts) |
| 09:57.06 | nevcairiel | only the 2fa code, of course, nothing else |
| 09:57.11 | nevcairiel | not even account name |
| 10:00.30 | nevcairiel | text is probably not a very secure delivery mechanism to begin with |
| 10:00.44 | nevcairiel | but a 2fa code in itself is a short-lived secondary token, so shrug |
| 10:25.50 | foxlit | The concerning thing would be the ability to trigger a password reset with access to just the sms service and the account name |
| 10:26.39 | foxlit | (Amazon lets you do this, for example) |
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| 12:51.19 | Rythal | I never filled out the form the first time around, cuz hard copy printing and signing, too much work.. I just stopped at the limit and let it carry over to the next year. The new digital one was a blessing. |
| 12:59.00 | Ellypse | foxlit: I tried your easy fix for the drop down taint issue, but some people have an issue with MogIt after I added it to my addon https://i.gyazo.com/d24155488226d2eb7a454b3df4160850.png |
| 12:59.10 | Ellypse | I figured you would want to know ^^ |
| 12:59.47 | Ellypse | (Iâm talking about the code snippet at the end of the page) |
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| 14:35.31 | bluspacecow | https://outage.report/battlenet |
| 14:35.44 | foxlit | Ellypse: thanks, updated the suggested code. |
| 14:35.49 | Chipzz | Stanzilla: what does the Globe-Post header in the weakauras .toc files do? |
| 14:35.56 | bluspacecow | TIL 12 people in 20 mins forgot it was Tuesday Maintaninance day |
| 14:36.20 | bluspacecow | -_- my spelling nemesis ! |
| 14:36.40 | bluspacecow | Maintainance |
| 14:36.51 | bluspacecow | Maintain |
| 14:36.52 | bluspacecow | ance |
| 14:36.55 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:37.21 | bluspacecow | maintenance ? |
| 14:37.47 | foxlit | aluminum. |
| 14:48.05 | nimhfree | why did beta disappear off of battle.net launcher? |
| 14:48.21 | Funkeh` | you were banned |
| 14:48.24 | Funkeh` | unworthy |
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| 14:49.57 | nevcairiel | if you're in the US that may be due to maintenance, if it cannot confirm you have access |
| 14:50.03 | nevcairiel | or Funkeh` is right |
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| 14:52.56 | Gwythian | Does anyone know a good resource to read more about GENERAL_CHAT_DOCK? I've seen it used a few times with .primary and .editBox, but couldn't find a resource that explained it clearly. |
| 15:10.16 | Simca_ | nevcairiel: https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/commit/345f0072aaa2cad5505cb43fcb2b9fd2a14edbc9#diff-2e9b69ebbb57952cca7ba74807391e27 the new function talked about. |
| 15:10.25 | Stanzilla | Chipzz: instructions for https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/# |
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| 15:32.19 | nevcairiel | Simca_: yeah i know that one, but thats only of limited use for advanced topics |
| 15:33.46 | Simca_ | yeah unfortunately nothing else for translating between world and map coords |
| 15:34.02 | nevcairiel | Dan said he wanted to work on map things this week |
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| 15:36.41 | nevcairiel | he should just take the cheap way out and add an api to export UIMapAssignment.db2 in its entirety, a bit hard to interpret at first but all the data one could dream of :p |
| 15:37.14 | AcidWeb | New "battleground" map should also be around the corner. |
| 15:37.25 | nevcairiel | i made myself some scripts to generate all the data i need for HBD from that now |
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| 15:44.46 | Funkeh` | new? i thought they just decided to delete it =P |
| 16:00.58 | AcidWeb | Well code is already partially converter to new blood magi... map api. |
| 16:01.19 | nevcairiel | the map code is a huge mess right now, there is some old stuf and some new stuff and some weird stuff |
| 16:01.20 | AcidWeb | I guess they need something that support POIs with atlast icons. |
| 16:01.28 | nevcairiel | hopefully two of those go away |
| 16:01.58 | Funkeh` | it was completely deleted in the diff |
| 16:02.01 | Funkeh` | like the entire addon |
| 16:02.39 | nevcairiel | the new map code they are using makes it easy to spawn multiple maps with different layouts or configurations |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | just define an object and which information you want on it |
| 16:03.08 | nevcairiel | so they could easily spawn a new BG map with that |
| 16:03.41 | AcidWeb | Adddon is still there. But they removed init part. |
| 16:04.17 | Funkeh` | no it isn't? :D |
| 16:04.19 | nevcairiel | the new main worldmap is literally called TestWorldMapFrame, so.. still a bit work in progress |
| 16:04.32 | Funkeh` | unless there's been a new build since yesterday that re-added it |
| 16:04.43 | Funkeh` | the entire addon was removed toc and everything |
| 16:04.47 | nevcairiel | there was no build yesterday *handwave* |
| 16:08.00 | AcidWeb | 26491 is current beta build? |
| 16:08.13 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 16:09.08 | AcidWeb | It still see Blizzard_BattlefieldMinimap there in CASC Explorer |
| 16:09.17 | AcidWeb | But yep it is gone in tomrus dump |
| 16:09.25 | nevcairiel | makes no difference either way, if the BG map is supposed to live on, it'll be on the new map framework |
| 16:09.28 | nevcairiel | so the old code can just go |
| 16:09.48 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 16:14.03 | Funkeh` | anything else having microphone issues since the windows 10 update, no one can hear me or a friend on discord |
| 16:14.54 | AcidWeb | https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/345f0072aaa2cad5505cb43fcb2b9fd2a14edbc9/Interface/AddOns/Blizzard_MapCanvas/Blizzard_MapCanvas.lua#L34 heh |
| 16:15.19 | AcidWeb | Go to privacy settings and make sure you allow apps to use microphone. |
| 16:17.58 | Funkeh` | omfg |
| 16:18.00 | Funkeh` | that was it |
| 16:18.04 | Funkeh` | god damnit |
| 16:18.58 | AcidWeb | Your lizard overlords know better how you want to use your own computer. |
| 16:19.19 | AcidWeb | "While we have one or two other content features in War Mode weâll share later on" |
| 16:19.42 | AcidWeb | GetPersonalRatedInfo have new return value "pvpTier" |
| 16:22.29 | nevcairiel | suppose its good that it doesnt let anyone listen in on your mic without permission? |
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| 16:24.28 | AcidWeb | After update there is multi step privacy setting creator that completly ingnore fact that they added this option. |
| 16:24.58 | Funkeh` | it would be fine if discord actually showed up in the apps list |
| 16:25.23 | Funkeh` | i just globally disabled all that stuff because i have no interest in windows 10 apps |
| 16:25.25 | AcidWeb | And default setting varies from user to user. |
| 16:25.33 | Funkeh` | didn't realize they would start applying it to win32 apps |
| 16:27.12 | AcidWeb | And Funkeh if you use RTSS I suggest to disable it for now. |
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| 18:54.07 | Ssateneth | anyone here using draenortreasures or legiontreasures from TOM_RUS? I cant get it to clear already looted treasures. I disabled all addons except those and DBM which gives an arrow |
| 18:54.40 | Ssateneth | there is also handynotes version of each one but I cant get an arrow to show up for those at all (I have tomtom and DBM) |
| 18:55.26 | Ssateneth | I already tried deleting inferface folder and WTF folder, still the same issue |
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| 19:30.24 | Stanzilla | I heard [TOM_RUS] is using it |
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| 19:34.47 | Thunder_Child | Lies. |
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| 20:00.15 | Constie | DraenorTreasures was working for me without me having to do anything like a month or two ago. |
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| 21:05.14 | Tentacled | Hey, nevcairiel, any plans on having HBD's pins use the built-in MapDataProviderMixin things, or are you staying with rolling your own? |
| 21:05.31 | nevcairiel | i've been thinking about that |
| 21:05.46 | nevcairiel | worldmap pins are still un-fixed due to that |
| 21:06.13 | nevcairiel | the problem is that the providers are somewhat designed around using xml templates, which sucks for a library |
| 21:07.36 | nevcairiel | when i worked on HandyNotes, i just made HandyNotes itself register a provider, which was pretty easy to do |
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| 21:08.24 | Tentacled | You could provide a basic template, and leave it as an option for addons to provide their own. It's not like a map pin XML is very complex. |
| 21:08.42 | nevcairiel | I wish Lua could create templates |
| 21:08.43 | nevcairiel | but noo |
| 21:08.57 | Tentacled | sadpanda indeed. |
| 21:10.48 | nevcairiel | i could possibly cheat and just inject my own fake pinpool into their structure |
| 21:10.52 | nevcairiel | but that feels awkward =p |
| 21:14.34 | nevcairiel | or possibly not |
| 21:14.39 | nevcairiel | i could just use their own mixin |
| 21:14.55 | nevcairiel | and overwrite one function to just make Lua frames instead of xml template frames |
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| 21:26.52 | Tentacled | Overwrite? You mean something else than overriding a mixin's functions just as they're designed to be overridden? |
| 21:27.25 | nevcairiel | well, maybe the wrong word, just make my own frame pool using their framepool mixin with another frame creation function |
| 21:27.46 | nevcairiel | guess thats partly what mixins are for |
| 21:27.51 | nevcairiel | easily extending the things |
| 21:28.30 | Tentacled | Buuut currently worldmap uses a specific pin pool mixin of its own... so if you used your own, :GetMap():AcquirePin() wouldn't work so well. Hm. |
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| 21:29.13 | nevcairiel | it would if I go like :GetMap().pinPools["HereBeDragonsPinTemplate"] = myOwnAwesomePool |
| 21:29.22 | nevcairiel | then AcquirePin just calls my pool |
| 21:29.24 | nevcairiel | and stuff works |
| 21:31.24 | Tentacled | Ah, indeed, pools are stored under their template keys. Nifty. |
| 21:31.35 | nevcairiel | not 100% nice since you directly inject into the pool struct, but possibly acceptable |
| 21:31.48 | Tentacled | You've done worse things I'm sure. :> |
| 21:32.36 | nevcairiel | you mean like making HBD like 100kb in size due to extraced data from the db2 :) |
| 21:32.54 | Tentacled | For example. :> |
| 21:33.09 | nevcairiel | i blame TheDanW for that |
| 21:33.12 | nevcairiel | but maybe he'll fix it |
| 21:37.20 | TheDanW | terrifying |
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| 21:41.57 | TheDanW | i have an outline of the addon functions to add, maybe get them in for next build, not sure as i'm out next week |
| 21:42.12 | nevcairiel | any sneak preview? |
| 21:42.15 | Tentacled | Inside scoop! <3 |
| 21:43.59 | TheDanW | soon(tm) |
| 21:44.18 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: see my PM regarding that combat log event? |
| 21:44.27 | Tentacled | Bummer. But we love you anyway. :D |
| 21:51.27 | Stanzilla | DEAL: Umm, the Pixel 2 XL is $500 Off at Best Buy. #deals |
| 21:51.39 | Stanzilla | https://www.droid-life.com/2018/05/01/deal-umm-the-pixel-2-xl-is-500-off-at-best-buy/ |
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| 22:48.25 | Funkeh` | new build is out |
| 22:51.34 | nevcairiel | indeed, servers are finally up as well |
| 22:51.36 | Funkeh` | 26530, broken one was 26522 |
| 22:56.10 | schlumpf | (servers actually are on 26522, so client build only) |
| 23:06.05 | Tentacled | Hmm. I wonder what changed in the frame handling on this build. https://i.imgur.com/lSQTX3L.png This looked good on the previous one. |
| 23:10.10 | TheDanW | we made some anchor changes to fix the perf issues that nevcairiel reported, may have broken something :/ |
| 23:10.31 | nevcairiel | maybe i should test the performance thing then! |
| 23:10.36 | Tentacled | Or maybe I was relying on something in a silly way. Will investigate and report. :) |
| 23:13.13 | Tentacled | Hmm. Positioning is running on vector2D now. Isn't it a bit heavy, memory- and performance-wise, to handle with tables what was before handled with simple x,y pairs? |
| 23:13.40 | Funkeh` | I think TheDanW is ignoring me again :( |
| 23:13.54 | nevcairiel | I should make a marketing slogan for HBD, table-free position logic! |
| 23:14.40 | Thunder_Child | You did bring it on yourself Funkeh`. |
| 23:14.50 | Funkeh` | heh |
| 23:16.12 | nevcairiel | Tentacled: for some reason they really seem to dislike multiple return values in any new APIs, while I always thought that was one of the really neat things of Lua :) |
| 23:16.18 | Tentacled | Or, taking another approach: is it possible for GetPlayerMapPosition (and friends) to fill a given table with data, instead of creating a new one? I may be going out on a limb here, but if I grab a new vector for every frame, won't it piss off my garbage collector..? |
| 23:16.56 | Tentacled | Or if it starts to go into hundreds of vectors, because why not... |
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| 23:24.31 | foxlit | Tentacled: Hmm. Positioning is running on vector2D now. Isn't it a bit heavy, memory- and performance-wise, to handle with tables what was before handled with simple x,y pairs? << Betteridge's law: "No." |
| 23:43.26 | schlumpf | also, as long as positioning isn't your core loop of the addon: highly unlikely it has a noticable impact. |
| 23:53.07 | nevcairiel | foxlit: that isnt quite a headline |
| 23:53.21 | foxlit | Or is it? |
| 23:53.31 | nevcairiel | "No" |
| 23:53.32 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 23:53.58 | foxlit | :P |
