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| 03:55.48 | Elmoe | so the UNIT_SPELLCAST_* events were changed |
| 03:55.58 | Elmoe | it seems they no longer provide spell name or rank |
| 03:56.12 | Elmoe | but also for something like UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT the format of the target unit is also new |
| 03:57.18 | Elmoe | e.g. target of UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT is 3-2084-1-11932-212036-0003DD58E5 |
| 03:57.23 | Elmoe | anyone familiar with this kind of ID? |
| 04:00.42 | Funkeh` | isn't that a spellGUID? they probablyh removed the target and shifted the arg |
| 04:01.05 | Funkeh` | TheDanW has been on a role of removing useful things |
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| 04:13.08 | nimhfree | Usually for the spell lineId the second to last item is the spellId |
| 04:15.24 | nimhfree | with the event UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED we only get 3 parameters now, the unit, the lineId and the spellId. So for this event we have two sources of the spellId, but not having to parse the lineId helps |
| 04:17.27 | Elmoe | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED you now get unit, lineId, spellId |
| 04:17.48 | Elmoe | but for UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT is target no longer given? |
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| 07:07.27 | nevcairiel | no its not |
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| 07:27.48 | VIad | it would be nice of the UNIT_ combat related events had a connection to the CLEU data for easier lookup. given there is a lineID and Cast GUID and all that, C_CombatLog.GetInfo(lineId, castGuid) or something would be amazing |
| 07:30.13 | Fisker | he's here Myrroddin |
| 07:31.08 | Myrroddin | hmm. I don't see him on the list of mods or admins. I'll scroll down |
| 07:31.26 | Myrroddin | yep, there he is |
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| 08:37.13 | plaw | tickles Cairenn |
| 08:38.38 | AcidWeb | Is InstanceMapID is also gone after map api overhaul? |
| 08:40.16 | nevcairiel | that one remains |
| 08:41.59 | AcidWeb | One less thing to fix ð |
| 08:43.21 | Cairenn | giggles |
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| 09:00.19 | Myrroddin | *<|:-) |
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| 11:31.27 | VIad | areaID, mapID, instanceID, instanceMapID, areaMapID, worldMapID, continentMapID, zoneID (some may or may not be made up) |
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| 12:42.30 | nevcairiel | there is really only so many IDs, there is just inconsistent names between them |
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| 13:06.10 | VIad | wowhead uses zoneIDs and I still don't remember how to find that via the game API :P |
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| 13:16.05 | nevcairiel | its what the game calls AreaID |
| 13:16.14 | nevcairiel | not sure its used in any APIs |
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| 14:21.55 | Alram | wowhead uses areatable i guess |
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| 15:26.12 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: can you clarify these chat reporting changes a little, why are we creating a "player location" to report spam for example? |
| 15:27.25 | Funkeh` | and is there any actual difference to creating it from a guid or a lineID, as I was under the assumption the lineID would provide the exact message |
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| 16:20.55 | foxlit | "Need help signing up? Read Mashery's guide." >> http://mashery.mashery.com/docs/read/Developer/Register > "Log in to mashery.mashery.com:80. Your password will be sent unencrypted" > "Access Denied" |
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| 17:01.15 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: re anchor lag: i'll have someone take a look, we rewrote anchoring processing, sounds like this is a bug from that |
| 17:02.23 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: if it helps i can give you an addon zip that reproduces it (although mind you, its not very minimal) |
| 17:06.10 | TheDanW | nebula: the removal of target in UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT wasn't intentional, will add back |
| 17:09.59 | TheDanW | AcidWeb: should be like what others said, it's the same as sublevels on any other layer, -8 to 7 |
| 17:11.10 | AcidWeb | TheDanW: Yeah. Everything is working correctly. I just failed to count to 7 ;p |
| 17:15.05 | TheDanW | nebula: re UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED, it's probably safe to change it, will see |
| 17:20.03 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: that would be helpful |
| 17:22.52 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: it abstracts the concept of a player and simplifies the API, you can re-use the same object if you really want; the chat lineID is necessary to report chat to include the message, many other systems don't have special report metadata and a guid is sufficient |
| 17:23.08 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: https://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/files/2553600/download basically just open the config UI with /bt (or the minimap icon), first open is fine, repeated opens is when it gets slow (nevermind load-time errors, that version isn't fully 8.0-ified yet) |
| 17:23.49 | TheDanW | got it, thanks! |
| 17:24.24 | Funkeh`` | TheDanW: my main concern was making a new table for every single chat line, since I was checking if the player can be reported as an additional safeguard prior to checking for spam. I've had to remove that check |
| 17:24.44 | Funkeh`` | I was also kinda confused because the table itself doesn't seem to store a player location |
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| 17:29.26 | TheDanW | you can re-use one table and just change the fields if you need, creating tables is generally not that concerning though; the API isn't complete and is still a WIP |
| 17:29.43 | Funkeh`` | oh |
| 17:32.41 | Funkeh`` | also TheDanW have you already discussed the reasoning behind making us iterate UnitBuff/Debuff |
| 17:34.45 | TheDanW | in regards to querying by spell name? |
| 17:35.02 | Funkeh`` | in regards to quering by anything that isn't the aura index |
| 17:35.38 | Funkeh`` | (because we wanted spell ids, and instead got spell names removed) |
| 17:39.45 | TheDanW | internally it would just be the same thing, we'd enumerate through the auras to match |
| 17:40.19 | TheDanW | there could be multiple auras that match the same spellID, which do you want? if you write it in Lua you have full control |
| 17:41.11 | TheDanW | spell name API is going away in general because it encourages bad practices, as you know, spell names aren't unique and the mapping from spell name -> spell IDs change by locale, leading to bugs |
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| 17:44.01 | Funkeh`` | I would say in most cases the only time you care about multiple buffs is unit frames which will parse teh whole thing anyway |
| 17:44.18 | Funkeh`` | for general usage, people just want to know if something is on you |
| 17:45.15 | VIad | throwback to querying auras by index to find the one you want :D |
| 17:45.30 | VIad | thought it was quicker on c-side but perhaps it will be fine in lua I guess |
| 17:45.40 | Funkeh`` | ofc it will be quicker |
| 17:45.43 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 17:46.03 | VIad | will be fun to have tons of addons doing a lua side iteration over auras :D |
| 17:46.10 | TheDanW | in terms of speed, not likely to be noticeable different |
| 17:46.12 | VIad | brings back the vanilla feel |
| 17:46.58 | Funkeh`` | TheDanW: what about in terms of garbage, how many of the returns are strings for example |
| 17:47.46 | VIad | just call the garbage collector after each iteration, you'll be fine |
| 17:48.01 | Funkeh`` | now THATS a vanilla throwback |
| 17:48.22 | TheDanW | i think you'll survive |
| 17:48.37 | TheDanW | i'd like to revisit the aura API, but not likely for bfa |
| 17:49.01 | Funkeh`` | then why not just leave it as it is for now? |
| 17:49.24 | VIad | need to make the interns stop bad practices in the default UI |
| 17:49.52 | VIad | bow chika wow wow |
| 17:50.03 | Funkeh`` | just sems like pointless extra work |
| 17:50.12 | Funkeh`` | and more things for people to fuck up |
| 17:50.41 | VIad | on a serious note though I hope chat bubbles, friendly nameplates, get a bit of love :( |
| 17:51.19 | Funkeh`` | well, the motto so far seems to be "break shit and fix it later", so, maybe? unlikely for bfa |
| 17:51.19 | VIad | like making it possible to skin them in instances without them looking so ugly ,_, all I wanna see in my bubbles is the name of the player saying stuff, it's odd the default UI don't just use the chat messages with some filter to build the bubbles to appear |
| 17:51.40 | VIad | for friendlies I'd like to see name only, but atm you also hide the hp bar on enemies if enabled ,_, |
| 17:51.52 | VIad | feel like there is room for secure templates to bridge this |
| 17:52.17 | VIad | at this point we're too deep into bfa to suggest or get changes through |
| 17:52.22 | VIad | best bet is 9.x :D |
| 17:52.39 | VIad | the way dev goes these days seems xpac is in the polish state of things already |
| 17:52.55 | VIad | devs probably working on 9.x milestones already ^^ |
| 17:54.30 | VIad | perhaps we just need instance related anything to default to vanilla UI so no one has any advantages. would make BGs more fair :D no more addons to tell you who to attack. |
| 17:54.47 | VIad | boss designs would be easier to make, with less addons telling you what to do. |
| 17:55.14 | VIad | instances would simply run in their own UI env where we don't have any access too |
| 17:55.15 | Funkeh`` | i think we just needs devs that stop making half-arsed API changes based on nothing but some semi-ideological goal of purity |
| 17:55.36 | VIad | I say go all the way if you start, half way implementations are iffy |
| 17:56.07 | Rythal | I would be very sad with that idea, any time I have to use the default UI i'm lost.. it would be the death of raids for me :P |
| 17:56.22 | Funkeh`` | indeed, it's worked fine for years and this does nothing but cause pain. If you want to change it, then rewrite the damn thing |
| 17:56.56 | TheDanW | it didn't work fine |
| 17:57.01 | Rythal | then again, my idea of raiding is LFR and hitting one button over and over.. so that wouldn't be too bad I guess |
| 17:57.11 | TheDanW | it may have for your very small perspective on it |
| 17:57.20 | Funkeh`` | what about it didn't work fine? |
| 17:58.36 | VIad | tbh it's probably better to use time to suggest improvements on what we got that has its shortcomings. can't exactly do the blame game, it only makes you feel good atm but at a cost :p |
| 17:58.58 | VIad | I've always been a secure template person, if stuff has to be restricted I hoped those to bridge the gaps. |
| 17:59.07 | Funkeh`` | I did suggest an improvement, revert it until he gets the time to actually work on it |
| 17:59.16 | VIad | instances friendly nameplates, chat bubbles for instance - since addons used those to do mechanics |
| 17:59.28 | TheDanW | that's not an improvement, that's tech debt |
| 17:59.43 | VIad | probably tons of other stuff I haven't paid attention to in bfa that arose ,_, |
| 18:00.20 | VIad | maybe we need a C_Auras thingy with more of the stuff done in C efficiently for use in lua if auras is the subject atm |
| 18:00.21 | Funkeh`` | TheDanW: ofc it is, if it ain't broke, don't break it even more |
| 18:00.38 | TheDanW | it's fully functional |
| 18:00.57 | Funkeh`` | in what way if alpha an improvement over live? |
| 18:01.32 | VIad | blizz already does aura stuff by iterating the indexes so certainly helps keep the coding consistent |
| 18:02.00 | Funkeh`` | or stop taking pot guesses and let him answer |
| 18:02.05 | VIad | sorry :( |
| 18:04.08 | Funkeh`` | TheDanW: "I removed the windows from the car but it's still fully functional"? |
| 18:04.54 | TheDanW | i'm here for productive discussions with addon authors, this is not one of them; this isn't something required or asked of me |
| 18:05.34 | VIad | I don't feel like it's said enough but I know many of us appreciate you for doing this, Dan |
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| 18:06.50 | Funkeh`` | I don't see how this is any less productive that when we told you how bad an idea async spellnames were |
| 18:07.16 | Funkeh`` | I literally said in this channel you should stick it to spell descriptions only and now that's what you're doing |
| 18:08.55 | Funkeh`` | I'm not against you changing the API, but this simply isn't the way to do it. If you want to work on it, then remove spellnames then, not now |
| 18:10.01 | Simca_ | to be fair, async spellnames change would have resulted in a noticeable wait for users. this will not. |
| 18:10.53 | Funkeh`` | it's just an example that the devs can make bad decisions when they are not open to talking to the people using them |
| 18:11.38 | nevcairiel | Its not like it makes anything entirely unavailable for you, it was confirmed that it internally just loops anyway, so just do that and call it a day instead of throwing a tantrum about it |
| 18:11.41 | Simca_ | and i see Dan's perspective on this - it's actually commonly recommended practice these days. my college professor would probably agree. tiny optimizations aren't usually worth going against the principles behind the API (i.e. removing spell names) |
| 18:12.36 | Simca_ | it's better to have very slightly slower code if it means the code is more consistent, especially in a large team environment |
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| 18:13.18 | Funkeh`` | assuming this is all about ideologically cleaner code, then it isn't. he's just shifting the code elsewhere where it can be done even worse |
| 18:13.38 | Funkeh`` | basically "not our problem" |
| 18:13.54 | Simca_ | his end is cleaner, which is where it matters for consistency |
| 18:14.09 | Funkeh`` | no it doesn't, since none of us can even read that |
| 18:16.03 | Simca_ | this isn't about us. maybe there's an argument to be made that it should be, that making the change raises the entry bar for creating addons and is therefore not in their best interest, but that's a separate concern then anyone else here has raised |
| 18:16.31 | Funkeh`` | yes it is about us. The only reason to have clean code instead of efficient code is if you're expecting a lot of eyes on it |
| 18:16.44 | nevcairiel | thats nonsense |
| 18:16.54 | schlumpf | yeah, maintainability >>> #eyes |
| 18:17.00 | schlumpf | even a single person should have clean code |
| 18:17.15 | Funkeh`` | maintanability of an API? |
| 18:17.17 | Funkeh`` | huh? |
| 18:17.26 | Funkeh`` | have you written a library before? |
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| 18:27.06 | schlumpf | requirements and usability at client side; possibility to implement it in different cleaner or more efficient ways on the other side; being able to adapt the api to new requirements on either side, possibility of changes, ... I'm quite sure that they don't do stuff visible in the api willy nilly. there are reasons that you may not see. |
| 18:28.18 | Funkeh`` | indeed, he already wants to change the API |
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| 18:28.38 | Funkeh`` | so do so when he has time for that, not willy nilly removing arguments |
| 18:35.17 | Gnarfoz | *glances over scrollback* Funkeh being his usual nice self :P |
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| 19:25.20 | Gnarfoz | can anyone answer this: Can you ask about CombatLogGetCurrentEventInfo() on IRC for me? I'm curious if there's some subevent or unit filtering NYI that would help make the empty CLEU events make more sense (https://twitter.com/hekili808/status/988492582920556544) |
| 19:25.53 | Gnarfoz | (I vaguelly recall what the change there was, but not well enough to answer xD) |
| 19:26.49 | nevcairiel | sub-events might or might not happen, basically just call the function to determine the event info |
| 19:27.08 | Funkeh`` | TheDanW said he doesn't have time to add subevents for bfa |
| 19:27.12 | Gnarfoz | so CLEU -> CombatLogGetCurrentEventInfo() ? |
| 19:27.16 | Gnarfoz | and then proceed as normal? |
| 19:27.18 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:27.26 | Gnarfoz | simple enough, ty |
| 19:27.32 | nevcairiel | it returns the same things that were previously passed to the event |
| 19:28.00 | nevcairiel | and for efficiency concerns, passing so many args through an event is also not free, so that somewhat compensates for having to call a function |
| 19:29.32 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I recall that particular discussion |
| 19:30.16 | nevcairiel | do you know that guy or why does he ask you for such things specifically? :D |
| 19:33.27 | Gnarfoz | he remembered I'm on IRC, I guess |
| 19:34.58 | Gnarfoz | since my Quassel just crashed |
| 19:35.06 | Gnarfoz | the Quassel release date came and went, didn't it? |
| 19:35.08 | Gnarfoz | or was it later |
| 19:35.18 | nevcairiel | all i heard was like this month for 0.12.5 |
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| 19:43.39 | AcidWeb | Quassel. They should name releases after ice ages. |
| 19:44.05 | nevcairiel | the head developer founded a family, leave him alone =p |
| 19:45.08 | Stanzilla | dedclient |
| 19:45.28 | nevcairiel | still works fine, and has picked up the pace again |
| 19:49.53 | Gnarfoz | yeah, the only thing I'm waiting for is a new core build for certificate reload :D |
| 19:50.16 | nevcairiel | my core has been git master for years now |
| 19:51.58 | Gnarfoz | ~logs |
| 19:51.58 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 19:52.13 | Gnarfoz | I'm too lazy to build it myself and break all kinds of debian-y things |
| 19:52.14 | nevcairiel | i havent automated quassel cert update tho because of its weird format |
| 19:52.19 | nevcairiel | i would need to script shit |
| 19:52.29 | nevcairiel | and i'm lazy! |
| 19:52.56 | Gnarfoz | hah, that part I've done in my hook script, easy enough, it's still just concatenation |
| 19:53.18 | nevcairiel | i should switch to dehydrated, setup wildcards and script some more automatisms |
| 19:53.22 | nevcairiel | but you know, i'm lazy |
| 19:53.40 | Gnarfoz | who isn't |
| 19:53.48 | nevcairiel | (even if thats a bit backwards because now i need to update shit manually occasionally) |
| 19:54.14 | Gnarfoz | wildcards would be a bit more complicated for me, since I don't run my own DNS so far ^^ |
| 19:54.40 | nevcairiel | neither do I, but dehydrated has a hook for hetzner DNS, or i use the subdomain forward trick I think you linked? |
| 19:55.19 | Gnarfoz | right, I had almost forgotten |
| 19:55.30 | Gnarfoz | https://hastebin.com/jobapunihe.sh is the relevant bit from my hook script, I guess |
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| 20:17.43 | Thunder_Child | Heh, now that TheDanW is taking all the heat, Guill shows back up. |
| 20:23.07 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure he's just here to watch the carnage |
| 20:24.05 | Gnarfoz | scottish heat |
| 20:24.37 | nevcairiel | gotta get heat somewhere if you live in the worlds fog basket |
| 20:25.24 | Funkeh`` | lol |
| 20:26.51 | Guill | I just wanted to see the reaction when TheDanW announced we were making 0 count as false. Did I miss it? |
| 20:27.12 | nevcairiel | i think some people might like that |
| 20:27.17 | nevcairiel | even if it breaks all the things |
| 20:27.30 | Funkeh`` | some people just wanna see the world burn |
| 20:27.38 | Guill | "0" is also false |
| 20:28.19 | Gnarfoz | you're also false |
| 20:28.24 | schlumpf | Not sure if you've been offline for 22 days. |
| 20:28.25 | Guill | True |
| 20:28.27 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: Irvine is hardly the world fog basket. |
| 20:28.43 | Thunder_Child | s/world/worlds/ |
| 20:28.45 | nevcairiel | not him, Funkeh |
| 20:28.48 | Thunder_Child | Oh. |
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| 20:35.24 | Hekili | Is the 0/"0" == false thing real or am I being punked? |
| 20:35.58 | nevcairiel | see what you did Guill |
| 20:36.14 | Thunder_Child | The answer could be yes to both. |
| 20:36.18 | Justwait | maybe more people will join us here to ask. |
| 20:36.38 | Hekili | Monstrous. |
| 20:36.49 | AcidWeb | False == 3. |
| 20:37.17 | AcidWeb | or 4 but only on mondays. |
| 20:39.30 | Thunder_Child | And very large values of 3. |
| 20:44.57 | schlumpf | if 0 is false and 1 is true, it only feels logical to make all odd numbers true |
| 20:45.40 | schlumpf | you can even use bit operations to implement that meaning it is fast! |
| 20:48.25 | Hekili | I feel so guillable. |
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| 20:55.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Hekili |
| 20:55.24 | purl | gives Hekili an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Hekili to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 21:00.16 | znf | poor Torhal |
| 21:05.28 | Gnarfoz | Hekili: the answer is: 0 |
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| 22:27.14 | Torhal | znf: ? |
| 22:54.12 | Mr_Rabies | there's no way to skip to certain levels on the alpha is there? really don't want to spoil storyline stuff just to test all the stuff that opens up later :/ |
| 22:54.34 | nebula | plays alpha, doesn't want spoilers |
| 22:54.35 | nebula | ... |
| 22:55.13 | Mr_Rabies | i mean |
| 22:55.17 | Mr_Rabies | there are other things to test |
| 22:55.41 | Mr_Rabies | warfronts, island expeditions, etc |
| 22:55.58 | nevcairiel | nope, need to level to get there |
| 22:56.07 | nevcairiel | i mean, you could force yourself through endless dungeons |
| 22:56.33 | nevcairiel | max level premades may show up later, not sure if they usually have those still |
| 22:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i think i'll probably just wait for premades at specific levels to open up while i continue putzing around in boralus for 15 minutes when there's a patch |
| 23:03.04 | plaw | hey, here's a nuts WoW Store Idea if any employees are around to take it onboard and run with it: downloadable 3d printer models of our player charaters, so we can print them out and hand paint them for non-commercial purposes. I'd be eager for my old school RP hunter in his RP gear and pet cat and would pay USD$10-15 I reckon.... |
| 23:03.27 | nebula | isn't there a site that does that? |
| 23:03.41 | Mr_Rabies | won't figureprints get you a model? |
| 23:03.45 | Cairenn | multiple |
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| 23:06.41 | Mr_Rabies | https://marlam.in/obj/ uhh no clue if this still works |
| 23:07.07 | Mr_Rabies | considering there's a version from this month, probably? |
| 23:08.14 | plaw | figureprints says 'Following the Christmas period orders surge, we are not taking more orders for the following weeks (likely 3). ' |
| 23:08.27 | plaw | but yeah wanna print my own will do some more digging etc. |
| 23:08.35 | Mr_Rabies | https://imgur.com/a/rrL5k#uHwUANe |
| 23:08.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's a guide from 2015 |
| 23:10.12 | plaw | hmm thanks for the info Mr_Rabies |
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