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| 02:30.56 | Fisker | heys Seerah |
| 02:31.06 | Fisker | hides |
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| 06:03.10 | ahSwedeMike | https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live IS POPPIN HOT RIGHT NOW STILL GOING!! CALL 315-505-4666. IRC.EFNET.ORG #lrh |
| 06:03.14 | ahSwedeMike | Vicar_Amelia ShadniX purl Mr_Rabies Ebony phyber pompy Andols Shooter eke003732_ Flamegoat Tentacled Kraps Zeldo dolby mitch0 Pac Kalroth dobson DiscordBot2 bshelden NickG365 Shockah Gethe_ DiscordBot5 Cairenn zenzelezz Motig Ssateneth Simca nebula Antiarc Justwait plaw Kesava Freddie Proditor Stanzilla d[karl]b NuSuey Velithris A-KO Fisker znf Caleb| ycarene Gnarfoz Trela [TOM_RUS] LexSfX Fumler Diao Thunder_Child Phixion ThiefMaster TheDanW haste sb |
| 06:04.43 | Fisker | If you support me as prime minister of Denmark I will take back Sweden and get rid of "Mike" |
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| 06:32.23 | tz | anybody got a snipped to reroute DevTools_Dump to a string? |
| 06:32.28 | tz | snippet even |
| 06:39.37 | tz | nvm, worked it out |
| 07:04.42 | d[karl]b | I don't think you're poppin hot enough for that fisker |
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| 07:07.03 | Andols | After you get rid of Mike we will wait untill winter, walk over the ice and take back our country (except skåne you can keep that) |
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| 07:08.16 | Fisker | Perfect, exactly what we need |
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| 08:03.41 | VIad | a bit of a side question, but is it possible to get spell school if you know the spellID? |
| 08:04.04 | VIad | I am aware the combat log does provide school info, but wonder if I can color let's say tooltips to illustrate the dmg type of spells :P |
| 08:04.25 | VIad | preferably without hardcoding a table >_> |
| 08:09.26 | VIad | maybe I need to spellID > school dump from db2 #RIP |
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| 09:42.25 | VIad | anyone know or done some research into the spellmisc schoolmask flag field with some input about the flags for it? |
| 09:44.39 | Simca_ | best (only) documentation for flags is in private server code defs. i'll DM you. |
| 09:44.44 | VIad | oh |
| 09:46.17 | Simca_ | apparently blizzard has a custom version of eventtrace that has full flag definitions and stuff, or at least they did in TBC which was the last time I saw a screenshot for it. |
| 09:46.55 | Simca_ | but we're kind of in the dark; maybe flags will be next on the documentation stuff some day, at least the ones that the API can give (though a lot of that they read themselves and give out in different ways) |
| 10:07.15 | nevcairiel | stuff not accessible through the API will not get docs =p |
| 10:08.01 | Simca_ | even when it's useful, sadly |
| 10:14.25 | nevcairiel | personally i would just make my addon learn this stuff from the combatlog instead of exporting thousands of spells into a table :p |
| 10:15.34 | VIad | you login and someone links you a spell, or you hover your own spell and wanna color the border what kind of dmg it does :D |
| 10:16.05 | nevcairiel | solutions that involve huge tables dumps are usually bad ones |
| 10:16.13 | VIad | y |
| 10:16.25 | VIad | was thinking to omit anything 0 or 1(physical) |
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| 10:16.28 | VIad | see how large it then is |
| 10:16.37 | VIad | assuming game behaves same way for 0|1 type schools |
| 10:17.57 | VIad | 628 kb file versus 6 mb >_> |
| 10:18.10 | VIad | if I ommit and assume missing stuff is physical |
| 10:59.40 | [TOM_RUS] | GetSpellSchoolMask(id) should be trivial for blizz to add |
| 11:00.04 | AcidWeb | TheDanW: Could you shed some light on sublevel parameter of UnitPositionFrame:AddUnit()? |
| 11:02.16 | foxlit | AcidWeb: a completely blind guess: layer sublevels (-7 to 8 or so) to control what appears on top of what |
| 11:03.41 | AcidWeb | That was my guess too. |
| 11:04.26 | AcidWeb | But experiments proved otherwise. |
| 11:05.47 | AcidWeb | Apparently numeric value don't affect rendering order. |
| 11:06.16 | AcidWeb | But if it is set to nil everything with sublevel declared will render above it. |
| 11:07.26 | AcidWeb | And apparently everything in default UI set it to 7. |
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| 11:58.28 | foxlit | AcidWeb: seems to work for me. |
| 12:00.41 | foxlit | AcidWeb: http://ghostbin.com/paste/x7dpj |
| 12:06.30 | foxlit | (i'm sure that that's not how one actually gets worldmapunitpositionframe to display more units, but /reloading after changing the boolean, focusing and targetting the same unit, running that code, and opening world map seems to correctly choose which of the red/blue icons appears on top) |
| 12:23.36 | AcidWeb | hmm |
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| 12:30.53 | AcidWeb | foxlit: There is any special reason why you toggle rotation mode for focus pin? |
| 12:31.00 | foxlit | no |
| 12:32.47 | AcidWeb | Well you are right - it definitely work as expected with two pins. |
| 12:33.04 | AcidWeb | Hmm maybe I broken something in my widget. |
| 12:33.22 | AcidWeb | Or it start to fall appart when 10-15 pins are overlapping. |
| 12:36.58 | AcidWeb | There is also one additional question - why player arrow is always on top. It use same sublevel as other pins. |
| 12:38.06 | foxlit | unsatisfying answer: rendering order with the same sublevel is undefined, and the client is allowed to do whatever it pleases. |
| 12:39.29 | AcidWeb | blind guess: maybe order of adding pins matter in this case? |
| 12:39.34 | AcidWeb | player one is always added first |
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| 12:39.42 | AcidWeb | or internally rotating ones have priority |
| 12:40.29 | foxlit | I assumed you checked creation order when you said "always" :) |
| 12:40.46 | AcidWeb | Well both statements are false in my instance of UnitPositionFrame. |
| 12:41.06 | foxlit | (there's a non-zero probability that it just special-cases player -- displaying yourself on top of everyone else seems like a feature) |
| 12:41.33 | AcidWeb | unless i push all other pins to nil sublevel player arrow is pushed under them |
| 12:41.44 | AcidWeb | we missing something here |
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| 12:48.35 | nevcairiel | whats with everyone arguing that the ilvl squish happens for performance reasons |
| 12:48.44 | nevcairiel | a cpu doesnt care if a number is 10 or 100000 |
| 12:49.05 | nevcairiel | stuff gets slower as the numbers increase!! |
| 12:49.17 | nebula | need to keep stuff small so we can store it in shorts |
| 12:49.38 | nevcairiel | that doesnt give you faster execution, the ALU is busy no matter what |
| 12:49.48 | nebula | smaller is faster nevcairiel, duh |
| 12:50.36 | foxlit | why are you expecting reasoned performance analysis from random posters on semi-public forums? |
| 12:50.58 | Fisker | Because we'd do quintillions of damage without it nevcairiel |
| 12:51.11 | nevcairiel | its dozens of people making that argument, someone must've intentionally spread that piece of misinformation |
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| 12:51.56 | AcidWeb | So an ordinary day on the internet? |
| 12:52.07 | nevcairiel | probably. |
| 12:52.50 | foxlit | the percentage of people who know what's inside their computer and how it works, even on a high level, is miniscule. |
| 12:53.08 | Fisker | I know what's inside my computer |
| 12:53.14 | Fisker | Intel! |
| 12:53.17 | nebula | fisker is fake news |
| 12:53.17 | nevcairiel | thats fine, they should just not try to argue about that sort of stuff if they have no idea :p |
| 12:53.22 | Fisker | Dundundundun |
| 12:53.31 | foxlit | "adding larger numbers takes more time, just imagine yourself doing it!" makes sense on an intuitive level, so osmosis happens. |
| 12:55.45 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.52 | AcidWeb | foxlit: I placed player arrow on sublevel 1 and rest on sublevel 0 and it work correctly ð |
| 12:56.01 | nevcairiel | it apparently uses doubles for that now anyway |
| 12:56.17 | Fisker | Darn |
| 12:56.37 | AcidWeb | Three hours ago it did not work ð |
| 12:57.16 | Fisker | Just store all integers as a string that'll fix everything |
| 12:57.25 | nevcairiel | I'll fix you good |
| 12:57.32 | Fisker | D: |
| 12:59.36 | AcidWeb | DX12 support is still not in alpha client? |
| 12:59.48 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 12:59.57 | nevcairiel | but its not worth using right now |
| 13:00.39 | Fisker | Do they have any vulkan stuff? |
| 13:00.45 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:00.46 | AcidWeb | that bad performance wise? or just unstable? |
| 13:00.50 | nevcairiel | both |
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| 13:00.55 | AcidWeb | ehh |
| 13:13.35 | nevcairiel | its mostly stable now, for me anyway, but there is some graphic corruption with various AA modes, and its still flat out slower then DX11 |
| 13:13.41 | nevcairiel | so yeah, work in progress |
| 13:15.21 | AcidWeb | I hope that it will breathe some life in this game. |
| 13:15.33 | AcidWeb | Legion performance is terrible. |
| 13:15.45 | nevcairiel | the alpha performance has been quite stellar for me in dx11 |
| 13:15.49 | nevcairiel | much better then legion |
| 13:16.07 | AcidWeb | I'm very glad to hear it. |
| 13:18.04 | nevcairiel | People speculate that dropping support for old hardware helped that |
| 13:18.24 | nevcairiel | so maybe new optimizations that werent possible before |
| 13:18.51 | AcidWeb | Logical assumption. |
| 13:21.37 | Funkeh` | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_SharedMapDataProviders/LandmarkDataProvider.lua/diff#155 O.o |
| 13:24.47 | nebula | ? |
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| 13:28.28 | tz | proper slashes ;) |
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| 13:36.22 | Funkeh` | was that always supported or |
| 13:36.37 | nevcairiel | it was |
| 13:36.52 | Funkeh` | so they just decided to add some inconsistency in there to spice things up |
| 13:37.04 | nevcairiel | maybe they got tired of escaping slashes |
| 13:37.10 | nebula | escaping things is for chumps |
| 13:42.03 | tz | if I'm using an InputScrollFrameTemplate, is there a way to stop it from scrolling to the bottom if I stick in a large chunk of text? |
| 13:42.26 | tz | doesn't usually use prebuilt widgets :s |
| 14:13.28 | nebula | TheDanW: the guid string from UnitCastingInfo is null at UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED, any particular reason? (it's always been like that, it was 0 before guids) |
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| 15:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | man i wish they'd let fury use 1-handers or two handers and calculate like they do mistweaver monks |
| 15:48.00 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 15:48.03 | Mr_Rabies | windwalker |
| 15:55.52 | Shockah | oh right, we're back to windwalkers using either now |
| 15:55.56 | Shockah | as artifacts are gone |
| 15:56.47 | nebula | pretty sure fury gets titan's grip again, so you can either dw 1h or 2h |
| 15:57.11 | Mr_Rabies | i imagine feral's in a weird place |
| 15:57.19 | Mr_Rabies | since our artifact was two daggers, but we can't actually dual wield |
| 15:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | same with guardian and fist weaps |
| 15:57.59 | Mr_Rabies | i think they should just give feral the ability to dual wield, too, and do the same thing |
| 15:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | is there an API to get an item's true item level in bfa? having to hard code a table to interpret bonuses is a nightamare when all the addon devs are quitting :( |
| 15:59.52 | nebula | GetItemDetailedItemLevel not work? |
| 16:00.19 | nevcairiel | before i would do bonus parsing i would just read the tooltip |
| 16:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not sure, but LibItemUpgradeInfo thinks all my items on my characters goes up when i level |
| 16:00.40 | nebula | GetDetailedItemLevelInfo* |
| 16:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | item levels, rather |
| 16:01.00 | Mr_Rabies | so every addon i have that uses that lib is insanely wrong about almost every item until level cap now |
| 16:01.03 | Mr_Rabies | with the scaling gear |
| 16:01.35 | Justwait | not sure how they deal with weapons |
| 16:01.43 | Justwait | but brewmaster is stuck having to use 2handers atm |
| 16:01.53 | Justwait | can´t blackout strike without it |
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| 16:19.06 | Mr_Rabies | wasn't single-minded fury the thing that let 1h or 2h work? |
| 16:19.24 | Mr_Rabies | titan's grip just lets you use 2 2-handers, i think that just does objectively more damage |
| 16:20.49 | nevcairiel | obviously whatever alternative talent exists to that would have to be balanced |
| 16:21.23 | nevcairiel | it was TG vs SMF before, one that lets you equip 2x2H or one that boosted your damage |
| 16:21.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather them just let you attack more often with 1h, but do more damage with 2h, or just make it cosmetic essentially |
| 16:21.40 | Mr_Rabies | more damage per swing* |
| 16:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | but honestly, just make it cosmetic - i want to give my fury warrior something smaller than a car to wield :( |
| 16:22.43 | Mr_Rabies | there are no two-handed rapiers to complete my transmog :( |
| 16:23.20 | nebula | in alpha you get TG: lets you dw 2h and increases your max health |
| 16:23.37 | Mr_Rabies | same as live |
| 16:23.59 | nebula | so nothing different, you can dw either or mixed |
| 16:24.02 | Mr_Rabies | there's no reason to use 1h because titan's grip is a baked in passive that just means you need to use 2h to do damage |
| 16:24.08 | nebula | yea |
| 16:24.42 | nebula | forgot about smf |
| 16:25.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying i want to be able to use 1 handers again - they could definitely use a scaling damage formula based on 1h/2h and make it equivalent |
| 16:25.38 | Mr_Rabies | since they've been doing that with windwalker monks for years |
| 16:26.29 | nebula | just let you xmog 1h imo |
| 16:26.37 | Mr_Rabies | same basic idea, yeah |
| 16:28.04 | Mr_Rabies | that way less competition with monks, rogues, dh, war/pally tanks, frost dks, enh shammies, etc |
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| 17:15.12 | nevcairiel | Kesava: the hell did you do to neutral plates https://i.imgur.com/9M7502P.jpg :D |
| 17:15.28 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.36 | Kesava | left that on when i pushed it |
| 17:17.33 | Kesava | Semlar: ! |
| 17:19.12 | Kesava | Semlar: with your positioning stuff (https://github.com/kesava-wow/kuinameplates2/blob/master/Kui_Nameplates/hook.lua#L53) my child text frames are flickering |
| 17:19.26 | Kesava | um let me know if you've already fixed that |
| 17:19.39 | Semlar | i don't think you need to do this any more |
| 17:19.41 | nevcairiel | did you try the naive way and see if shit is fast now |
| 17:20.09 | Semlar | iirc just anchoring to the nameplates no longer slows the game to a crawl |
| 17:20.44 | Kesava | i need to do the axis fixing stuff thooough |
| 17:20.52 | Semlar | if they're flickering it's probably from the game unloading the textures when you hide them |
| 17:21.20 | Semlar | i remember briefly having this issue on one of the ptrs and it was because of a cvar |
| 17:21.33 | Semlar | but i don't remember what it was called |
| 17:21.41 | Kesava | yeah that was textures i believe |
| 17:21.48 | Semlar | it was making the game reload the texture from the disk every time the frame got reshown |
| 17:22.07 | Semlar | they might just be doing that by default now to save memory |
| 17:22.27 | Kesava | they're not being hidden at any point - just the text disappears whenever they move (and i'm not hiding before moving or anything) |
| 17:22.33 | Semlar | you could try not hiding the frames when you reposition them and see if it has any impact on the frame rate |
| 17:22.43 | Semlar | oh |
| 17:22.52 | Kesava | i believe we discovered that made it terrible, so i got rid of it |
| 17:23.20 | Semlar | if you aren't hiding the frames i don't know why they're flickering |
| 17:23.29 | Kesava | indeed |
| 17:23.45 | Kesava | thing is with this is it lets me do pixel rounding without the old 1 frame lag |
| 17:24.03 | Kesava | thouuuugh with my ui scale ignore option enabled it doesn't matter as much |
| 17:24.42 | Semlar | yeah i got around the 1 frame lag by attaching the corner of a frame to the nameplate so that whenever they moved it resized the frame and i could respond to the resize event |
| 17:24.59 | Kesava | that's what this is! |
| 17:25.15 | Semlar | but then i think i got rid of that and just anchored to the nameplates directly because it didn't seem to matter any more |
| 17:25.21 | Kesava | right |
| 17:25.32 | Kesava | yeah, doesn't if you're not concerned about pixels (with strange setups) |
| 17:25.46 | Kesava | (or at all actually) |
| 17:26.01 | Kesava | (you need to manually set the uiparent's scale to fix it on 1440 at least) |
| 17:26.04 | Semlar | did you try just making a basic frame and repositioning it around the screen with your textures and font strings to see if it behaves the same way |
| 17:26.29 | Semlar | i don't know why just reanchoring them would cause it to flicker |
| 17:26.37 | nevcairiel | native scale on 1440p makes shit too tiny for my taste |
| 17:26.40 | nevcairiel | screw pixel peepers |
| 17:26.46 | nevcairiel | well at least on my 27" |
| 17:27.14 | Kesava | uh 24" so quite a bit smaller buuut i like it |
| 17:28.06 | Kesava | Semlar: yeah i'll fiddle around with it, just wondered if you'd already fixed it |
| 17:28.17 | Semlar | no i haven't played in a while |
| 17:28.36 | Semlar | i don't know if my nameplates are affected by this |
| 17:28.47 | Semlar | i could log in to check |
| 17:29.54 | Semlar | is this on live? |
| 17:30.03 | Kesava | non, alpha |
| 17:30.12 | Semlar | i don't have access |
| 17:30.15 | Kesava | gasp |
| 17:30.56 | Kesava | well nevermind then |
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| 17:34.22 | Kesava | it works fine if i replace OnSizeChanged with OnUpdate (and translate the size obviously) |
| 17:34.24 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.36 | Kesava | obviously that's a frame delay though so yeah. just a test. |
| 17:42.24 | Semlar | weird |
| 17:42.57 | Semlar | make it print the offsets in OnSizeChanged |
| 17:44.52 | Semlar | maybe the x, y coordinates being passed to it aren't what they should be |
| 17:45.15 | Kesava | seems to be, also! if i hide and show before and after like we used to, it works fine. |
| 17:45.15 | Kesava | .. |
| 17:46.27 | Kesava | i have to kill the OnShow/OnHide bubbles with that though. so it doesn't feel very efficient. |
| 17:51.30 | hexed | hm any info on the new way to get coordinates on the alpha? it seems like GetPlayerMapPosition is changed and i can't find any info on what it changed to |
| 17:52.12 | nevcairiel | its not currently available |
| 17:54.15 | hexed | ah alright, thanks |
| 18:03.12 | VIad | discovered huge discrepencies between "Chaos damage" and spells that actually do Chromatic or neither :/ |
| 18:04.01 | VIad | for example havoc abilities say on the tooltip "Chaos damage" but most do Chromatic and there are oddities with that as it doesn't work as expected. kind of lame. atm theory is that Eye beam doesn't benefit the Holy weakness on Argus for example :P |
| 18:35.50 | Semlar | did they make it easier for addons to communicate on their own channels? |
| 18:37.54 | AcidWeb | nope |
| 18:39.12 | Semlar | am i misunderstanding what communities are? |
| 18:39.53 | Semlar | you can join a community of players across realms and communicate with them? |
| 18:40.57 | foxlit | trix are for kids, Semlar. |
| 18:42.59 | Semlar | could you not create a community that would allow everyone running your addon to talk through |
| 18:43.56 | Thunder_Child | Trids are for kicks, foxlit. |
| 18:45.28 | foxlit | portions of the communities ui are forbidden for some strange reason. Can you guess what that reason is? |
| 18:46.09 | nebula | to make them semlar-resistant? |
| 18:46.10 | Semlar | me? |
| 18:46.24 | Semlar | how dare you |
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| 18:56.21 | Tercioo | i want voice chat on trade chat |
| 18:56.37 | Thunder_Child | Sounds like a circle of hell. |
| 18:59.08 | zenzelezz | Pandemonium |
| 19:00.20 | zenzelezz | one day I really should read Dante's Inferno, because I'm a freak |
| 19:00.53 | hexed | on my server it would just be recordings of people selling 15s and heroic runs and their discord/skype info lol |
| 19:01.36 | zenzelezz | the first week after they released such a patch would be 90% "Dirge" and "Anal [...]" |
| 19:02.33 | foxlit | Report User > To their Mother. |
| 19:02.43 | Semlar | got 'em |
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| 19:03.07 | zenzelezz | after that, on my server, would be 90% "selling +15 mythic" |
| 19:14.49 | foxlit | it's annoying that you often can't /who the trade chat spammers. |
| 19:15.15 | zenzelezz | you can't? (I don't recall trying) |
| 19:15.50 | foxlit | "0 players found" |
| 19:16.16 | foxlit | It's probably someone's level 1 alt parged in a town, shielded from /who queries because "wanna join my guild?" addons got too annoying |
| 19:18.10 | zenzelezz | I've always been curious about those guild spams |
| 19:18.25 | zenzelezz | do they just constantly sit around checking whole zones for unguilded players? |
| 19:18.39 | nevcairiel | basically yes |
| 19:32.57 | A-KO | it's also limited I believe to a minimum level 20 now |
| 19:33.05 | A-KO | so anything below 20 won't appear on a /who |
| 19:33.27 | nevcairiel | the reason to invite ev eryone and the kitchen sink into your guild was removed a long while ago tho |
| 19:34.02 | nevcairiel | (a split of quest gold earned) |
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| 19:47.36 | zenzelezz | wait, they actually gained gold for free before? |
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| 20:02.57 | nevcairiel | yeah you got a percentage of quest earnings straight into the guild bank |
| 20:03.11 | nevcairiel | thats why that was so popular for a while |
| 20:13.35 | nevcairiel | anyone know if backdrop rendering in BfA changed somehow? I'm getting corrupted backdrops on some frames |
| 20:21.03 | nevcairiel | hm changing scale and sometimes position can fix it |
| 20:21.05 | nevcairiel | seems like a bug |
| 20:22.29 | nimhfree | In the new world of mapping, do we think we will still use coordinates as percentages of the map we are on? |
| 20:23.10 | nevcairiel | its the easiest for players to think about, so probably |
| 20:23.29 | nimhfree | I ask because I am trying to replicate the old GetPlayerMapPosition, and when I use the new UnitPosition I get large values for x and y and was thinking I would need to derive the percentages from the map size, but do not know how to get the map size at the moment |
| 20:23.58 | nevcairiel | dont bother doing too much with the map yet, its still actively going to change |
| 20:24.13 | nevcairiel | and yeah the information to do that translation is currently missing |
| 20:24.31 | nimhfree | I am using C_Map.GetBestMapForUnit to find the map, but its info from C_Map.GetMapInfo does not have size. |
| 20:24.37 | nimhfree | ok, hold off on map stuff |
| 20:25.21 | Elmoe | nimhfree: yeah there is no way currently that I can find to actually implement the old GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 20:26.01 | Elmoe | nimhfree: personally I just disabled that feature in my addon for now and working on porting over the other code till we get some more clarity |
| 21:27.07 | AcidWeb | I think it is somewhat too soon to fix map related addons. |
| 21:27.40 | AcidWeb | That part of API is still in flux. |
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