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| 09:18.16 | AcidWeb | I have two frames. Center of A frame is anchored with a offset to center of frame B. After changing scale of frame A i want to reanchor it to B with the same offset. So A is now smaller/bigger but with the same distance between central points of both frames. |
| 09:18.37 | AcidWeb | How I can achieve that without losing my mind? |
| 09:20.11 | nevcairiel | what anchor points do you use? |
| 09:20.34 | AcidWeb | CENTER |
| 09:21.34 | AcidWeb | Currently i'm using A:SetPoint("CENTER", B, "CENTER", x2-x1, y2-y1) |
| 09:21.48 | AcidWeb | where x2,y2 is A:GetCenter() |
| 09:21.50 | nevcairiel | the problem is of course that anchor offsets also scale when you scale your frame, so you could either un-scale them by dividing by the scale, or add an anchor frame in between thats not scaled and anchor A to that with offset 0/0 |
| 09:22.00 | AcidWeb | But that work only when scale of both frames = 1 |
| 09:23.46 | AcidWeb | Lets try dividing them... |
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| 09:29.29 | AcidWeb | Separate anchor frame is also good idea. |
| 09:29.35 | AcidWeb | Thank you nevcairiel. |
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| 13:09.59 | VIad | since the remote AH API is going offline, here is a business idea: making an addon and program that runs over some port you can connect to remotely and control the AH via it on your phone |
| 13:10.49 | VIad | I mean you could make a website where you enter your login credentials and its like a remote desktop thingy and it handles everyhing but giving your login like that might be sketchy :p |
| 13:12.10 | ls- | so, eh... AH bot? :D |
| 13:23.57 | VIad | well I mean by that point it can be, but originally just so you can control your game and AH without having to render all the useless UI from the game on your poor phone :D |
| 13:26.17 | VIad | I mean I am confident this will happen if there are no alternatives |
| 13:26.31 | VIad | so many AH addicts won't be able to not have the AH on the phone :P |
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| 13:27.22 | Andols | Then there is a reason to ban those that abuses it :) |
| 13:27.54 | VIad | what about a OCR bot that acts like a human |
| 13:29.09 | Andols | OCR? |
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| 14:04.46 | foxlit | what about those biker mice from mars? |
| 14:12.36 | VIad | optical character recognition :D |
| 14:13.06 | VIad | just imagine a webcam filming the screen and interpreting that then it pushing keyboard and mouse buttons on your behalf when you tell it what to do based on what it sees. |
| 14:13.33 | VIad | it's difficult to detect that kind of botting, but might be on blizz' plate when the AH API is shutdown, as it might become a issue :P |
| 14:15.24 | foxlit | no, sorry, the biker mice are still far more of a realistic problem |
| 14:16.38 | VIad | heh |
| 14:19.23 | foxlit | If this botting contraption involves software running on the same machine as wow, it's just a normal bot to be banned by warden |
| 14:19.54 | foxlit | If its harware separated, there might be about two people in the world who bother to build this setup |
| 14:20.27 | foxlit | and any attempt to make money out of this will get you sued out of existance |
| 14:44.07 | Simca_ | blizzard also can rely on manual reports for rare individuals who do something weird like that |
| 14:44.23 | Simca_ | especially since those type of bots are -super obvious- usually to onlookers |
| 14:46.01 | bluspacecow | so its like a really really advanced drinky bird ? |
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| 16:21.10 | Chipzz | foxlit: TBH it might not be that hard to build; you can just put a large color-coded square in an easy to recognize place, like the corner of the screen, and "extract" data from the game that way to feed to a bot |
| 16:28.15 | foxlit | Yeah, just get a whole separate computer with a webcam, point it at your first computer running wow, hook up some actuators to work the mouse/keyboard, piece of cake. |
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| 21:58.06 | foxlit | PetMoveTo("cursor") and PetMoveTo("player") don't work for some reason. |
| 21:58.59 | foxlit | (i.e. you'd want to move the pet to your cursor/to yourself without triggering the AoE targetting reticle, but it the function ignores the argument entirely) |
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| 22:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | is the whole auction api going to be dead? even checking prices, etc? |
| 22:40.28 | Mr_Rabies | if so, dang :( i loved being able to fall back on TUJ for transmog gear prices, etc |
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| 22:47.38 | Simca__ | no |
| 22:47.44 | Simca__ | api is unchanged |
| 22:51.52 | Gnarfoz | the remote AH has been app-only for a longer time, hasn't it? the web portion of it was removed long ago? |
| 22:52.30 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. there was no API anyway) |
| 22:57.44 | Mr_Rabies | ahh okay |
| 22:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | that makes sense, since they took the remote AH down several times for weeks for exploit fixing, etc |
| 22:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | just not worth the upkeep now that it's free i guess :v |
| 23:00.06 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully we get a better ingame auction house with different interfaces for goods vs. gear |
| 23:00.35 | Mr_Rabies | purchase orders for stuff in short supply would be really nice |
| 23:00.50 | Mr_Rabies | i can't sell all the transmog stuff i have simply because navigating it is a nightmare |
| 23:02.18 | Mr_Rabies | relisting it every 48 hours, trying to determine a fair price, buyer having a hard time finding good stuff |
| 23:08.28 | nebula | a purchase order-like ui for anything stackable would be amazing: pick an item, set a quantity, and hit buy, ui shows you break down of the individual listings you're buying, hit accept and done |
| 23:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | only problem with that is whose orders to prioritize, if they're going to all come back in 48 hours |
| 23:09.39 | nebula | cheapest, obviously |
| 23:09.39 | Mr_Rabies | and if not, what's to stop people from just using it as a larger reagent bank |
| 23:10.05 | nebula | how would it be any different from now? |
| 23:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | stackable stuff really doesn't have a big problem selling, it's the other stuff that just sits there relisted over and over and over |
| 23:10.25 | nebula | i don't care about that stuff :p |
| 23:11.17 | nebula | having to buy something listed singlely 200 times can die in a fire |
| 23:16.12 | Gnarfoz | (thank Blizzard for baking that functionality into the default UI) |
| 23:16.56 | Stanzilla | stack sizes should just go away in the AH |
| 23:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | then you'd need to store everything indefinitely or for at least much longer |
| 23:17.18 | Gnarfoz | so? how is that our problem |
| 23:17.21 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:17.40 | Mr_Rabies | buying things 1 at a time also isn't really a problem, just a problem with the awful default ui |
| 23:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | very easy with auctionator |
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| 23:17.56 | Stanzilla | I want to sell 4524 of x, let the players buy 34 of x with one click and the game figures out how |
| 23:17.57 | Stanzilla | done |
| 23:17.59 | Gnarfoz | "very easy" is actually "a terrible hack" |
| 23:18.06 | Mr_Rabies | i list things in 1s, 5s, 10s, and 20s mostly, if i have like 500 i split it up in those amounts |
| 23:18.49 | Stanzilla | there is no benefit in having stack sizes apart from creating "more attractive" offers by using a size that people commonly buy |
| 23:18.53 | Stanzilla | like 5 flasks or so |
| 23:19.02 | Gnarfoz | which is pointless in a purchase order system |
| 23:19.08 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:19.10 | Gnarfoz | since anyone can buy any stack size \o/ |
| 23:19.34 | Stanzilla | that's the only thing you really "lose" though |
| 23:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | i almost always buy stuff 1 at a time using auctionator since that's the cheapest way generally |
| 23:20.07 | Mr_Rabies | if i have to buy like 150 of something, i just don't buy it |
| 23:20.10 | Stanzilla | only because you can sort of automate it |
| 23:20.17 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a great experience, Mr_Rabies |
| 23:20.37 | Stanzilla | clicking 150 times sure is fun |
| 23:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | so you're actually saying "make everything just listed 1 at a time, but make an interface that makes that better to deal with" |
| 23:20.41 | nebula | i mean i used an addon that approximates what i said, but it slow and you still need to approve every listing |
| 23:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | which i can agree with |
| 23:20.45 | nebula | i use* |
| 23:20.55 | nebula | yea, that's basically what i ment |
| 23:21.23 | Gnarfoz | I guess it's not super obvious to explain to someone who has never seen it in action, in say, Guild Wars 2 or Wildstar |
| 23:21.27 | Stanzilla | yeah with a purchase order system you enter exactly how much of X you want for price Y and the game buys from Z players |
| 23:21.32 | Gnarfoz | (anyone know any other examples?) |
| 23:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | if it had a system to make relisting also decent that'd be okay i guess |
| 23:22.02 | Mr_Rabies | "relist all my shit for the lowest price now" |
| 23:22.08 | Gnarfoz | no need |
| 23:22.31 | Mr_Rabies | how does that not cause a battle to the bottom in the worst way? |
| 23:22.55 | Gnarfoz | how is stuff getting cheaper if supply is high bad? |
| 23:24.01 | Gnarfoz | you list at "from X to Y" and the system sells the buyer your stuff if his dream price overlaps that window |
| 23:24.12 | Mr_Rabies | ah that's not too bad then |
| 23:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | maybe deatch it from auction houses/the mail system entirely |
| 23:24.49 | Gnarfoz | (at least that's how I remember it; I've played both GW2 and WS only a short amount of time) |
| 23:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | i just want purchase orders for unstackable stuff |
| 23:25.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah the whole "carry item to AH, it vanishes into the AH and can later come back out metaphor should go :P |
| 23:25.29 | Mr_Rabies | that shit eats up so much space and on my dead server i can't get it to sell |
| 23:25.45 | Mr_Rabies | maybe make the unstackable portion of the AH cross-realm |
| 23:26.16 | Mr_Rabies | pets/mounts/gear |
| 23:27.36 | Mr_Rabies | cause i got a bunch of good xmog gear that just won't sell for anything near what it's going for on other servers, or the historical price on mine |
| 23:27.52 | nebula | such is life with xmog |
| 23:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | i hvae a 7 tab guild bank full of xmog gear that i got tired of relisting |
| 23:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | i've put off on selling it for all of legion mostly |
| 23:29.03 | Mr_Rabies | dead realm is dead |
| 23:29.35 | Gnarfoz | solution: put stuff on char, move char to non-dead realm :D |
| 23:29.36 | nebula | i've always vendored boes, fuckin capitalists |
| 23:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | and on the other hand, i have xmog gear that i want that i know is just sitting in some other jabroni's bank that he's tired of relisting |
| 23:30.52 | Mr_Rabies | like the stupid BoE raid finder bracers from some of the tier sets |
| 23:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | that is totally unobtainable now :( |
| 23:31.34 | Mr_Rabies | why even make bracers part of the set, you can't even see them 99% of the time |