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| 06:14.17 | bluspacecow | "You do not have permission to perform that function" |
| 06:14.28 | bluspacecow | *it sets that CVar value anyway* |
| 06:14.33 | bluspacecow | #justalphathings |
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| 07:20.30 | bluspacecow | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20762316662?page=1#post-6 |
| 07:20.34 | bluspacecow | but y tho? |
| 07:45.14 | VIad | it's alpha so if unstable makes sense they'd remove some stuff, weird to remove UI elements but still, I expect fullscreen to be restored once beta/retail goes live |
| 07:49.01 | VIad | I dunno if dx12 has any new ways to do fullscreen, I havent read about it |
| 07:52.11 | Alram | fyi bluspacecow renderservice is unrelated to gx api changes etc |
| 07:52.47 | Alram | it's been a thing since early legion |
| 07:53.53 | VIad | googling for "dx12 fullscreen" shows a lot of issues, that's odd :p |
| 08:04.00 | Maldivia | Alram: shhh... let people believe it's gx api :D |
| 08:04.18 | Alram | :D |
| 08:09.34 | VIad | wasnt the renderservice related to models or something? |
| 08:10.33 | VIad | think it was to make it render game stuff out of the game or something |
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| 08:36.49 | VIad | "Utils\WowVoiceProxyGM-64.exe" hmm |
| 08:37.16 | VIad | the "GM" suffix is odd :p |
| 08:38.08 | Alram | yeah part of GM client, they didn't filter it out yet |
| 08:38.32 | Alram | its probably identical to the one for retail client tho :P |
| 08:38.38 | VIad | hmm |
| 08:39.56 | Alram | lmk when WoWGM ships :P |
| 08:41.02 | Maldivia | (again) |
| 08:41.29 | VIad | doing a binary compare between the regular and GM version there are differences |
| 08:41.38 | VIad | just unsure if versioning differences (GM might be older or whatever) |
| 08:44.56 | nevcairiel | VIad: microsoft wants to get rid of exclusive fullscreen mode, i wouldnt be surprised if dx12-mode doesnt get it |
| 08:45.41 | VIad | nevcairiel: I am all fine with that as long performance is 1:1 :D |
| 08:45.55 | nevcairiel | your system is just broken if its not even close |
| 08:45.55 | VIad | and the weird performance Issue I had on bfa was fixed next day so go figure |
| 08:46.31 | VIad | you often act like an asshole but I am by now okay with that |
| 08:47.12 | Alram | did we actually get a wowgm Maldivia |
| 08:47.26 | Alram | i remember those chinese leaks but nobody ever seems to have actually grabbed those |
| 08:47.44 | nevcairiel | wasnt there one in like wrath time |
| 08:48.02 | Alram | very possible, i only started keeping track around cata |
| 08:56.24 | Maldivia | there was a GM and an I client at some point in an F&F alpha phase at some point |
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| 10:23.30 | bluspacecow | "just a reminder guys - CVars come and they will gooooo. When live washes your clean you'll knowwwww" |
| 10:23.37 | bluspacecow | too obscure a reference ? |
| 10:24.12 | nevcairiel | speaking about the gamma stuff, i wonder why so many people feel the need to adjust that, bad screens being too dark? |
| 10:24.16 | VIad | only thing you did was remind me to mention /console scriptErrors 0 works on bfa alpha to get rid of annoying lua errors during dungeon runs :D |
| 10:24.30 | bluspacecow | heathen |
| 10:24.37 | haste | hacker |
| 10:24.41 | bluspacecow | you'll take your Lua errors and you WILL LIKE them |
| 10:24.49 | bluspacecow | or you won't get any pudding |
| 10:25.01 | bluspacecow | how can you get your pudding if you don't eat your Lua errors ? |
| 10:25.48 | VIad | it's like you push a button then you write in the lua error text instead <_> |
| 10:27.00 | nevcairiel | dont be a button pusher |
| 10:27.33 | nevcairiel | the l atest build seems to be in-between a bunch of lua changes, more errors then usual |
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| 17:44.09 | Velithris | removing exclusive fullscreen mode? It's the only reasonable mode to play online shooters with as it gives you the most fps and the least input lag |
| 17:48.01 | nevcairiel | thats why windows 10 has a new optimized special fullscreen windowed mode |
| 17:48.17 | nevcairiel | which gives the game the same control over rendering, without the downsides of exclusive mode |
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| 18:14.26 | AcidWeb | on paper. |
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| 19:57.34 | VIad | why does some bigwig bars go faster/slower to depletion? |
| 19:58.03 | VIad | at 10 seconds I'd like the bars to go down equally fast and in the right order, but now the order is correct, the timers, but the bars can be very distracting when going down in various speeds :( |
| 19:59.20 | Shockah | because they start with different initial values |
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| 19:59.55 | Shockah | initial being also their max |
| 20:00.18 | Justwait | emphesized bars should all go at the same rate for the last 10 seconds, iirc? |
| 20:00.39 | Justwait | the normal bars will depend on the starting values as Shockah mentioned |
| 20:00.40 | nevcairiel | if two timers have the exact same length they also go the same speed, but if one is 20s and one is 10s, it goes twice as fast, because they start the same size |
| 20:05.29 | AcidWeb | Thats why I like to have timeline not bars. |
| 20:06.59 | Justwait | the timeline stuff people have been using reminds me so much of that cooldown tracker addon I forgot the name off |
| 20:07.20 | Justwait | I like the idea of it, but not sure if I would want that myself |
| 20:07.37 | Justwait | also heard people ask for action bar like boss ability tracking |
| 20:11.45 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont particularly like it myself either, but then timer bars from bossmods also dont bother me |
| 20:18.29 | Constie | Yeah, I'd like to have common max time bars in BigWigs. I do that with DoT timers because it lets you immediately see what's actually going to expire first. |
| 20:19.11 | nebula | if it's at the top of the list it's going to expire first? |
| 20:19.22 | Funkeh` | you can have a common max time, just disable the "restart bar" option |
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| 20:28.11 | Semlar | alright, curse wants me to enter my "Twitch 2FA Token" to redeem my curse points |
| 20:28.28 | Semlar | does anyone have any idea what they want |
| 20:29.16 | nebula | authy token |
| 20:29.32 | Semlar | yes but where does one get this token |
| 20:29.41 | nebula | authy? |
| 20:29.44 | nebula | (app) |
| 20:29.46 | Semlar | what |
| 20:30.05 | nebula | https://authors.curseforge.com/news/3132-reward-store-update-2fa-requirements-for-feb-19th |
| 20:30.09 | Semlar | i need to download a phone app to get this? |
| 20:30.30 | nebula | works in chrome i think |
| 20:32.32 | Funkeh` | you need a phone number so not sure how it works in chrome |
| 20:33.06 | nebula | it account based, so it doesn't matter what app you use, the phone number is your account number |
| 20:34.07 | Semlar | i don't understand why this needs something from a phone app after making me enable 2FA on the account |
| 20:34.23 | nevcairiel | thats the second factor =p |
| 20:34.24 | Semlar | twitch enabled 2FA by sending me a text message |
| 20:34.29 | Semlar | it didn't require an app |
| 20:34.42 | Semlar | obviously they don't require an app to do the 2FA |
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| 20:34.44 | nebula | the sms system was the "old" system |
| 20:35.05 | Funkeh` | """""old"""" |
| 20:35.31 | Semlar | more to the point, why isn't it explained why they want on the actual page that's asking for this token |
| 20:35.45 | Semlar | because i legitimately would not have been able to figure this out |
| 20:36.33 | foxlit | you haven't been paying them enough money, Semlar, so they can't afford any actual developers. |
| 20:37.31 | Semlar | they should be paying me for offering them sage advice on improvements to their ui |
| 20:38.12 | foxlit | coincidentically, the same ui through which they pay you money? :P |
| 20:38.22 | nebula | well they are paying you, maybe try throwing some sage advice at them |
| 20:38.23 | foxlit | s/ic/i/ |
| 20:38.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.24 | Semlar | HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS |
| 20:39.25 | nebula | using paypal three days into the month, a bold move |
| 20:41.44 | foxlit | https://i.imgur.com/VaUyEZp.png << boo, hiss. |
| 20:42.12 | Semlar | nah that was me 10 minutes ago |
| 20:42.21 | Semlar | now i'm on stage 2 |
| 20:42.39 | Semlar | stage 3 is where i start yelling at torhal |
| 20:42.57 | Funkeh` | i'm at stage 0 |
| 20:43.00 | pompy | he's just gunna say he has nothing to do with it. |
| 20:43.10 | Funkeh` | cannot use because of phone number requirement |
| 20:43.41 | Semlar | alright just send me your reward points and i'll take care of them for you |
| 20:43.48 | Funkeh` | can't do that either |
| 20:44.08 | foxlit | note the "or transfer points." |
| 20:44.17 | Semlar | oops |
| 20:44.18 | foxlit | you could give Semlar your password, though. |
| 20:44.40 | nevcairiel | then he would have to attach 2fa to that account tho |
| 20:44.46 | Semlar | i have a great idea for a service |
| 20:45.37 | Semlar | i provide a way for people without phones or who don't want to use them to sign up for things that require 2FA |
| 20:46.17 | Semlar | my server stores all of their data for them |
| 20:46.45 | Semlar | whenever they need to log on it sends them their token |
| 20:47.10 | Semlar | all they have to do is give me their account information |
| 20:47.38 | Funkeh` | i'd buy that |
| 20:48.27 | Semlar | honestly i'd probably use it over having to pull my phone out |
| 20:50.42 | pnorman | There's a command-line client which does the same 2fa standard as the google auth app |
| 20:50.59 | foxlit | which wouldn't help here, because twitch. |
| 20:52.34 | Semlar | you know i'm starting to think curse doesn't actually want to give me money |
| 20:54.24 | VIad | the reason about me mentioning the bigwigs bars going down in different speeds at 10 seconds is because as tank on varimathras when he pushes his strike back a bit on the timer the bars start to mess with my eyes :( |
| 20:55.15 | Semlar | alright, i got around having to use an app |
| 20:55.36 | Semlar | twitch sent me a text message with a verification token when i went to log into it |
| 20:55.43 | Semlar | so i just typed that into curse |
| 20:56.21 | Semlar | i'm thinking curse should have a "request token" button on it or something |
| 21:19.16 | Simca | semlar, there's desktop apps, phone apps, browser apps, hell you could make your own script to generate a 2FA token in like 5 minutes |
| 21:19.35 | Simca | i had to write 2FA token generation into a program recently and it's stupid simple |
| 21:19.56 | nevcairiel | the generation of tokens is easy |
| 21:20.07 | nevcairiel | the problem in this case is getting the secret |
| 21:20.28 | nevcairiel | since it doesnt support the usual easy way of giving you a QR or something |
| 21:20.53 | Simca | it has to give you the secret somehow, unless it only supports text messages |
| 21:21.12 | nevcairiel | it does, but you need the text message once to set it up through authy |
| 21:21.21 | nevcairiel | not sure how to extract it from authy |
| 21:21.28 | nevcairiel | people said its some proprietary secret |
| 21:21.52 | Semlar | conveniently i'm an elite hacker |
| 21:22.02 | Simca | authy will literally show you any secret i'm pretty sure. |
| 21:22.05 | nevcairiel | there is several requests up on twitch to allow bog standard 2fa |
| 21:22.13 | nevcairiel | and not be locked into authy |
| 21:22.20 | nevcairiel | who they probably have a contract with |
| 21:22.28 | Simca | i doubt it |
| 21:23.30 | nevcairiel | i'm actually using authy now because its not really terrible |
| 21:23.40 | nevcairiel | but standard auth accounts are lsited as "authenticator accounts" |
| 21:23.44 | nevcairiel | those i added with QR |
| 21:23.56 | nevcairiel | the twitch thing is listed as "authy account" and has different options etc |
| 21:24.15 | Simca | i used google authenticator until i needed to switch phones because mine died and realized i was fucked |
| 21:24.27 | Simca | because authy supports external backup but google authenticator doesn't |
| 21:24.40 | Semlar | this never would have happened if you had been using my third party authentication service |
| 21:24.44 | nevcairiel | i still have blizzy authenticator for the click-auth thing |
| 21:24.49 | nevcairiel | not sure you can get that in another app |
| 21:25.01 | nevcairiel | (but tbh i havent tried) |
| 21:25.34 | Simca | i mean if you're determined you can rip the secret from your blizzard token physically probably |
| 21:25.52 | Simca | but yeah i think blizzard lets you use other apps too |
| 21:25.54 | nevcairiel | getting the secret isnt the problem |
| 21:25.56 | nevcairiel | i have that |
| 21:26.13 | nevcairiel | but the click-auth thing where the app asks me to auth a request is kidna handy |
| 21:26.20 | nevcairiel | not sure that would work on anything else |
| 21:26.23 | Simca | oh, that part, yeah |
| 21:26.35 | Simca | yeah you can't in other apps usually |
| 21:26.53 | nevcairiel | authy supports that model generally, but probably only for those "authy accounts" like twitch |
| 21:27.16 | Simca | at least i'm pretty sure all the click-auth stuff is proprietary implementations in every case, so they may look similar but be wildly different |
| 22:16.20 | pnorman | 14:51 < peda> I have to do a businesstrip on that day but am allowed to go with my privat car, so I can start at Lindau after work |
| 22:16.23 | pnorman | 14:51 < peda> but I guess I won't be able to do it earlier then 19:00 |
| 22:16.25 | pnorman | whoops |
| 22:22.41 | znf | Anyone uses reddit with the compact display? |
| 22:23.00 | znf | Have you noticed today that you still get thumbs & icons shown randomly on subreddits (but not front page) |
| 22:23.55 | znf | Oh, found that someone also reported it in /r/bugs |
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| 23:21.36 | Simca | Spell change is in, splitting Spell into Spell and SpellName |
| 23:23.36 | foxlit | something gave me the impression that that is utterly irrelevant for actual addons. |
| 23:24.42 | foxlit | (maybe someone said something to the effect of the id->name map being always available) |
| 23:35.46 | Simca | it's very relevant for addons |
| 23:36.30 | Simca | unless it was changed from when Dan last explained it, Spell.db2 will be unloaded now, so you can't pull up spell descriptions at will |
| 23:36.37 | Simca | only names |
| 23:38.13 | Simca | before you could get all of this ingame nearly instantly: https://i.imgur.com/DQTR9nE.png - now you can only get the information on the left instantly, the rest is delayed |
| 23:41.07 | Simca | openGL is dead this build at last, btw |
| 23:41.16 | Simca | all openGL shaders removed |
| 23:41.38 | [TOM_RUS] | rip |
| 23:41.52 | [TOM_RUS] | no more free shader source |
| 23:43.56 | [TOM_RUS] | nevcairiel: they added mic sens |
