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| 05:43.23 | AcidWeb | There is some way to use :SetBackdrop() and render edge only on one side of frame? |
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| 07:28.15 | Chipzz | AcidWeb: Backdrop is just 9 Textures that you can get to with :GetRegions() |
| 07:28.51 | AcidWeb | Yeah found that already but thanks. |
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| 09:14.09 | Chipzz | wondering about <Line>s and how the UI is drawn (per Layer that is); there's an (outdated) wiki page that describes this as such: textures are drawn first, and fontstrings on top of that. So basically: for (s = 0; s < 16; s++) drawsublayertextures(s); drawfontstrings(); |
| 09:15.17 | Chipzz | that however fails to describe 2 things: 1) FontStrings can have embedded textures; are these textures drawn before or after the text; b) where do <Line>s fit in? are they drawn on top of all textures or on top of all fontstrings? |
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| 10:20.17 | nevcairiel | i would assume that embedded textures are just drawn as part of the text |
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| 10:41.43 | Gnarfoz | someone recommend a non-terrible ~10" Android tablet with LTE to me :| |
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| 10:51.02 | nimhfree | non-terrible Android? is that like military intelligence? |
| 10:53.19 | Gnarfoz | no Boston Dynamics producs, pls |
| 10:53.51 | nevcairiel | but why not |
| 10:53.55 | nevcairiel | sure is more useful |
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| 11:04.11 | sdoebs | Hi, what's a good resource to get into wow ui development? |
| 11:06.49 | Velithris | reading other people's code worked for me |
| 11:10.14 | sdoebs | that's an idea - should have googled first :D there's a basic lua manual |
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| 11:46.54 | Gnarfoz | figure out what you want to do before you try figuring out how to do it, if possible =) |
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| 12:16.45 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: android requirement why? |
| 12:17.35 | Stanzilla | answer is, wait for next nvidia one or huawei though |
| 12:17.51 | Stanzilla | otherwise new iPad or that chromebook tablet |
| 12:17.57 | Gnarfoz | (I specified too few parameters) |
| 12:18.04 | Gnarfoz | when are those new ones |
| 12:18.16 | Stanzilla | unknown |
| 12:18.32 | Stanzilla | as in, not even known if they are making them |
| 12:18.38 | Gnarfoz | good, let's wait for that |
| 12:18.39 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 12:18.42 | Gnarfoz | also not to exceed ~250⬠(dad said 200â¬, but I figured there's some ~230⬠models that are way better than the 180⬠crop) |
| 12:18.44 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 12:19.43 | Gnarfoz | and no iOS because a) I don't know anything about it and thus couldn't help and b) neither does the user c) no other Apple stuff in use d) garden walls too high |
| 12:20.01 | Stanzilla | I dont know how much the huawei mediapads are |
| 12:20.08 | Gnarfoz | but this lousy first-gen convertible 2-in-1 Acer shitbox has got to go |
| 12:20.10 | nevcairiel | the last nvidia tablet was from 2015 wasnt it, doesnt seem like they are making them anymore |
| 12:20.18 | Gnarfoz | mediapad looked good, but it's their top of the line stuff |
| 12:20.28 | Stanzilla | ther eis pro/non pro |
| 12:20.55 | Gnarfoz | I currently have my eye (or my dads eye, as it were) on Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 LTE T585 |
| 12:20.59 | Gnarfoz | which is ~230⬠|
| 12:21.39 | nevcairiel | also two years old already |
| 12:21.48 | Gnarfoz | FHD, LTE, upgradeable to Android 7, 5 GHz WiFi |
| 12:22.04 | Gnarfoz | "Gelistet seit: 19.12.2017, 15:01"? |
| 12:22.08 | nevcairiel | buying a new device now thats "upgradeable" to the previous android version seems laughable =p |
| 12:22.10 | Stanzilla | I never consider samsung so no idea what they are compared to huawei |
| 12:22.14 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, it was released with 6.0, so that doesn't really jive witih that date |
| 12:22.22 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: of course, hence my question |
| 12:23.06 | Gnarfoz | is there anything worthwhile besides LineageOS these days I should look at? they support a good number of devices in general, but not many of them are tablets :D |
| 12:23.39 | Stanzilla | android tablets are on their way out |
| 12:23.45 | Stanzilla | all new ones wil be chromeos |
| 12:23.53 | Stanzilla | but that does support android apps now |
| 12:23.59 | Stanzilla | so maybe take a look at foldable hromebooks instead? |
| 12:24.01 | nevcairiel | samsung also doesnt seem to make those mid-range tablets anymore, they have their expensive high end model and those old Android 6 based ones |
| 12:24.27 | Gnarfoz | aren't chromebooks those not-laptops not-tablet dealios |
| 12:24.38 | Stanzilla | no |
| 12:24.46 | Gnarfoz | where basically you're stuck with what Google dictates (see above re: Apple) |
| 12:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's stupid how much of a premium simply adding cell hardware to a tablet calls for |
| 12:25.00 | Gnarfoz | (I guess not if they support Android apps now) |
| 12:25.10 | Stanzilla | liek I said |
| 12:25.12 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: probably licenses/royalties, but yeah, I agree |
| 12:25.13 | Stanzilla | they do android apps now |
| 12:25.34 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I have no idea what those would be called; are they under laptops? tablets? (on Geizhals, for example) |
| 12:25.40 | Stanzilla | laptops |
| 12:25.43 | Gnarfoz | well, Chromebooks, duh, do they have a category for that ^^ |
| 12:25.53 | nevcairiel | Acers Chromebook Tab 10 looks pretty decent, but no clue how well such a thing works with android stuff |
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| 12:26.13 | Gnarfoz | the current horribleness is from Acer, so I doubt that's gonna fly :D hehe |
| 12:26.15 | nevcairiel | (also, it barely got released like this week) |
| 12:26.19 | Stanzilla | that is what I have in mind but that is very new |
| 12:26.40 | Gnarfoz | half the hardware doesn't work anymore |
| 12:28.15 | Stanzilla | acer is in my "bad build quality drawer" in long term memory |
| 12:28.17 | Stanzilla | not sure how that is now |
| 12:28.26 | Gnarfoz | rotation sensor: dead, sound card: dead, storage: certainly feels dead (top speed: 8 MB/s), touch pad: only works for ogres now, tablet/keyboard docking connector: wobbly as fuck, and the cable connectors on the tablet (all of which use proprietary 3% more-mini-than-the-regular-mini connectors) are all in a "look at them wrong and it'll disconnect" state |
| 12:28.59 | Gnarfoz | only connectors that work reliably are the power connector and the USB port on the keyboard/base, since those are full size ports |
| 12:29.10 | Gnarfoz | in short: ready for the bin |
| 12:29.21 | nevcairiel | i've had a laptop from them which was perfectly fine for years, eventually one of the display hinges broke, but that was like after 6 years of pretty consistent use and travel (back then i traveled more), so i didnt complain, and my current acer gaming screen is solid |
| 12:29.24 | Gnarfoz | (not to mention the whole Windows 10 Clover Trail fiasco I mentioned next door last night) |
| 12:29.59 | Gnarfoz | actually, Acer's press release regarding that read as if they were willing to fix it, but Intel wasn't ^^ |
| 12:30.17 | Stanzilla | anyway my response to android tablets became chromebook or ipad |
| 12:30.26 | Stanzilla | if you really want to, mediapad |
| 12:30.38 | Gnarfoz | also, is it StarMoney's fault or Banking4W's fault that trying to import my bank account movements from one to the other results in everything being multiplied by 100 |
| 12:30.40 | nevcairiel | i wonder what i'll get as a bed-tv once my nexus 9 breaks. well maybe it just never breaks |
| 12:31.12 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could also consider a used older device that has LineageOS support. Might be cheaper as well |
| 12:31.48 | nevcairiel | lineageos works on N9! |
| 12:32.32 | nevcairiel | man thats an old device by now |
| 12:32.35 | nevcairiel | have i had it for so long |
| 12:32.36 | Gnarfoz | (OTOH, if switching banking apps makes me a millionaire, I'm fine with that) |
| 12:32.48 | nevcairiel | i cant deal with all those banking apps |
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| 12:33.07 | nevcairiel | they are so overly complicated and full of features i dont even know what their name means, nevermind what they do or when i would want to use them |
| 12:33.21 | Gnarfoz | that's why I'm trying to switch to a simpler one |
| 12:33.24 | Stanzilla | jesus, banking app is the only reason why my dad still has a windows notebook |
| 12:33.28 | Gnarfoz | (also it's free if using just 1 account) |
| 12:33.30 | Stanzilla | he uses that windata stuff |
| 12:33.36 | Stanzilla | no fucking way I get him away from that |
| 12:33.38 | nevcairiel | i had starmoney for a while, but its just so bloated |
| 12:33.47 | nevcairiel | and their weird security model drives me nuts |
| 12:33.48 | Gnarfoz | also it has become nag-hell about new versions |
| 12:33.59 | Gnarfoz | with no benefit at all for me |
| 12:34.28 | Gnarfoz | nice https://hastebin.com/wuhibehasu.css |
| 12:34.33 | Gnarfoz | I br0ke it |
| 12:34.37 | nevcairiel | unfortunately one account doesnt cut it for me, i need at least 2 plus a few cards |
| 12:34.41 | Stanzilla | be glad it is not windata |
| 12:35.19 | nevcairiel | but Banking4 still seems much simpler, maybe i'll give that a try |
| 12:35.37 | nevcairiel | about time i get a better handle on my finances again, its been lapsing because starmoney was so terrible :D |
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| 12:36.11 | Stanzilla | https://subsembly.com/banking4.html this yeah? |
| 12:36.18 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 12:36.46 | Gnarfoz | multi bank licence is just 20⬠and (at least currently) isn't version-specific, so should be a one-time deal |
| 12:36.51 | Stanzilla | I might just upgrade his notebook to win 10 and it will be even slower |
| 12:36.53 | Stanzilla | evil laugh |
| 12:37.09 | Gnarfoz | in hindsight, I should have never upgraded dad's Acer thingamabob to win10 |
| 12:37.15 | Gnarfoz | should have left it on 8.1 |
| 12:37.29 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 12:37.31 | Stanzilla | his was on vista |
| 12:37.37 | nevcairiel | mobile devices are always so iffy with changing the OS |
| 12:37.45 | nevcairiel | they use all sorts of non-standard hardware with no drivers |
| 12:38.04 | Stanzilla | I updated him from vista to 7 |
| 12:38.06 | Gnarfoz | yep, when 10 first came out, the upgrade assistant whined about several devices, and I didn't do it |
| 12:38.08 | Stanzilla | and he was like WHAT IS ALL THIS |
| 12:38.11 | Stanzilla | like it was super different |
| 12:38.20 | Stanzilla | ruined my plans of going to 10 EVER |
| 12:38.27 | Gnarfoz | but half a year later, the assistant said bueno and it worked 100% |
| 12:38.28 | nevcairiel | vista to 7 isnt that different |
| 12:38.32 | Stanzilla | exactly |
| 12:38.52 | Gnarfoz | (guess kudos to Acer for supplying the necessary drivers to MS) |
| 12:38.59 | nevcairiel | i think my father updated himself to 10 when windows nagged him |
| 12:39.07 | Gnarfoz | yay, import worked; I changed my region settings and swapped . and , |
| 12:40.12 | Stanzilla | my dad is the kind of person that asks me what to do when there is only 1 button on a prompt |
| 12:40.14 | Stanzilla | that says ok |
| 12:41.29 | Stanzilla | and when he does not ask, he gets malware, like a month ago he downloaded a fake version of vlc player |
| 12:41.33 | Stanzilla | that was fun |
| 12:43.18 | nevcairiel | mine wanted to convert some video so he could watch it from a USB stick on the tv, and the tv is picky |
| 12:43.49 | nevcairiel | so he got one of those tools with a very descriptive name |
| 12:44.03 | Stanzilla | that always want to install their entire "suite"? |
| 12:44.05 | nevcairiel | like "convertanyvideo.exe" or whatever |
| 12:44.28 | nevcairiel | no clue if it was actually something that would do the job, but such tools always scream malware |
| 12:44.42 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 12:44.59 | Stanzilla | pretty cool which stuff can be done on the web exclusively now |
| 12:45.06 | Stanzilla | found a neat audio converter yesterday |
| 12:45.20 | Stanzilla | https://online-audio-converter.com descriptive name and no exe download |
| 12:45.25 | Stanzilla | A++ from me |
| 12:46.00 | nevcairiel | seems a bit silly to upload and download audio if i could do that in seconds locally |
| 12:46.12 | Stanzilla | IF |
| 12:46.19 | nevcairiel | well i can! |
| 12:46.26 | Stanzilla | also can import from URL |
| 12:46.40 | Stanzilla | and they do video as well |
| 12:49.39 | Stanzilla | iOS finally has serviceworks since yesterday, so good \o/ |
| 12:50.03 | Stanzilla | *workers |
| 13:00.00 | Gnarfoz | dad uses YouTube Downloader HD, that freaked me out as well |
| 13:00.03 | Gnarfoz | works fine tho |
| 13:01.11 | Gnarfoz | I think I saw a "video download helper" Firefox extension as well, I should probably remove that, the program works fine and doesn't bloat up the browser |
| 13:03.00 | Gnarfoz | shame I can't try out if ether StarMoney 10 or Banking4W can deal with ChipTAN USB, yet... I had to request activation of ChipTAN at the bank first, and that, in proper 1997 fashion means receiving a letter at my home address (which I'm currently 500 km away from) |
| 13:04.21 | Gnarfoz | OTOH I also got her to abuse the "card is broken/lost? get new card for free" mechanism to get me a new card 2 years early. current one only has "giro go", which, despite the name, is just GeldKarte NFC |
| 13:05.01 | Gnarfoz | new one ditches the latter, AFAIK and instead has "proper" NFC... even though AFAIK that's also barely compatible with anything |
| 13:05.20 | Gnarfoz | #GermanPaymentThings |
| 13:10.01 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: should you try exporting/importing between StarMoney and Banking4W, beware of: locale settings (should be decimal symbol , and grouping symbol .) for account movements (StarMoney 10 UTF-8 seems to work, even though the manual says to use "StarMoney" (the one without version number or UTF-8); contacts/address book export needs to be in "StarMoney 4.0" format |
| 13:15.22 | Stanzilla | does it have windata import, can you check? |
| 13:15.57 | Gnarfoz | doesn't look like it |
| 13:16.01 | Stanzilla | rip me |
| 13:16.12 | Gnarfoz | https://subsembly.com/download/Banking4W.Handbuch.pdf |
| 13:16.23 | Gnarfoz | maybe windata has one of the generic export formats? |
| 13:16.52 | Gnarfoz | SWIFT or CAMT |
| 13:17.50 | Stanzilla | I'd have to check but the chances of him wanting to switch or me getting him to switch are near 0 anyway |
| 13:18.57 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 13:19.44 | Stanzilla | ideally I want him off Windows anyway |
| 13:20.20 | Gnarfoz | ehehe, the first 26 account movements are in DEM |
| 13:20.43 | Gnarfoz | it just thinks they're EUR, guess it doesn't really support multiple currencies (or perhaps any currencies) |
| 13:22.13 | Stanzilla | I recently noticed that I still remember the exact DEM => EUR course |
| 13:22.18 | Stanzilla | it was 1.995583 |
| 13:22.20 | Gnarfoz | 1.95583 |
| 13:22.25 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, I do as well |
| 13:22.31 | Stanzilla | 99 or 9= |
| 13:22.32 | Gnarfoz | (you have a 9 too many) |
| 13:22.39 | Stanzilla | ok :D |
| 13:22.44 | Gnarfoz | https://wiki.windata.de/index.php?title=Datenaustausch#Datenaustausch_Export: DATEV is on both lists |
| 13:23.02 | Gnarfoz | wait, it isn't |
| 13:24.16 | Gnarfoz | (there is Banking4A, 4X, 4i as well, if you had not seen that, but I have no idea if they're usable) |
| 13:24.42 | Andols | Are you talking about German banks? |
| 13:25.17 | Stanzilla | banking software |
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| 14:17.26 | Gnarfoz | (and by extensions, banks, in a way) |
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| 15:36.12 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 15:57.57 | Torhal | Kesava: For Kui Nameplates, how would I go about making ALL the names be consistent? My minion, etcetera, don't have the custom font. Is that simply not possible due to the nature of those units? |
| 15:58.38 | Simca_ | thankfully my financial existence consists of 1 bank account and 1 credit card (which is set to pay itself off every month) that i use solely for free points |
| 16:03.34 | Torhal | Simca_: Do yourself a favor - which will actually screw you over for a year - and get more credit cards. Just don't use them for more than $10 a month, and then pay them off. Eventually, slap them into a drawer you'll never open. Your credit score actually gets better by having a BUNCH of credit... |
| 16:04.30 | Kesava | Torhal: some of them (like your own minion) don't have an option/cvar to render a nameplate soo those ones, you can't really do anything about |
| 16:05.12 | Torhal | Kesava: I had a bad feeling that was the case, but thought I'd ask anyway because consistency is above all... >.> |
| 16:05.26 | Torhal | peers intently at TheDanW. |
| 16:06.29 | Fisker | Hey Torhal |
| 16:06.39 | Torhal | Hey Fisker |
| 16:06.42 | Torhal | FIte yerself? |
| 16:07.24 | Fisker | Nope |
| 16:07.26 | Fisker | Blizzcon? |
| 16:07.26 | Stanzilla | you don |
| 16:07.31 | Stanzilla | t actually play the game Torhal |
| 16:07.34 | Stanzilla | just turn everything off |
| 16:08.10 | Torhal | Stanzilla: I just started again, for shits and giggles. |
| 16:08.18 | Torhal | I'm still not using WeakAuras, though. |
| 16:08.18 | Stanzilla | oh neat |
| 16:08.21 | Stanzilla | damnit |
| 16:08.42 | Fisker | Tell me Torhal |
| 16:08.49 | Fisker | Have you come to serve the horde? |
| 16:08.53 | Torhal | Fisker: Me Torhal |
| 16:09.43 | Fisker | I will cut you |
| 16:10.55 | Torhal | I am going to one-up you, Fisker. |
| 16:10.57 | Torhal | https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/9762/products/fuckingcoffee803_1024x1024.jpg?v=1371820849 |
| 16:11.11 | Fisker | That's nice |
| 16:11.16 | Fisker | Can I have it? |
| 16:11.37 | Torhal | Sure, Fisker: https://store.dieselsweeties.com/products/fucking-coffee-mug |
| 16:12.10 | Fisker | Do you need my address or do you already have it? |
| 16:12.41 | Torhal | I think you're somewhat confused. |
| 16:12.47 | Torhal | You asked if you could have it. You can. |
| 16:12.57 | Torhal | You did not ask if I would personally send it to you. I won't. |
| 16:13.00 | Fisker | You didn't say that |
| 16:13.32 | Fisker | Will you buy it for me and bring it to Blizzcon? |
| 16:14.34 | Torhal | I could, though not likely, do those things. |
| 16:14.47 | Fisker | Very well |
| 16:15.11 | Fisker | I am sorry this has caused a divide between our two civilizations |
| 16:15.34 | Torhal | Wait... WTF? Are you Ghandi in Civ V? |
| 16:15.45 | Fisker | How did you know |
| 16:15.51 | Torhal | ... |
| 16:16.32 | Fisker | My AI has improved so I no longer nuke you all |
| 16:16.59 | Torhal | Are you actually saying that you're a fruitarian and love peace? |
| 16:17.16 | Stanzilla | peace among fruits, that's different, duh |
| 16:17.44 | Torhal | But, you're a vegable, Stanzilla. |
| 16:18.00 | Stanzilla | potatoes are no vegetables |
| 16:18.36 | Torhal | Shit, Fisker - Stanzilla just started The Great Starch Warâ¢. |
| 16:19.12 | Fisker | That's a shame |
| 16:19.21 | Torhal | I'm going to bed. Eat your vegetables, kids! |
| 16:19.43 | Fisker | Sleep well |
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| 16:31.39 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 16:31.45 | Seerah | hihi |
| 16:32.24 | Fisker | Fight? |
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