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16:42.49foxlitOkay, so russian bindings: OnKeyDown for the ,.;'[] keys on an enUS keyboard fires with string.char(0x3f) ("?")
16:43.41FiskerHey foxlit
16:44.21Stanzillayou're a lit fox
16:44.25foxlitinstead of бюжэхъ which you'd actually want
16:45.49foxlitso the end result is that you cannot tell any of those physical keys apart while the keyboard layout is set to russian.
16:46.35foxlit(also right alt is LCTRL+RALT for some reason; awkward)
16:47.06nevcairielbasically, screw russians?
16:47.25FiskerRude
16:47.32nevcairielhow do actual russian keyboards look, maybe those keys just dont exist there? =p
16:47.39FiskerHey nevcairiel
16:48.01foxlitWhile binding directly to e.g. ж doesn't seem to fire the binding
16:48.42foxlitit's a standard english layout with most of the punctuation keys replaced by letters, with original punctuation moved to the equivalent of AltGr+key
16:48.45foxlithttps://postimg.org/image/oxee8hcxb/
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16:54.38FiskerRude
16:54.41FiskerHey Stanzilla
16:54.59Stanzillahi
16:58.27foxlit(this also happens to the built-in keybindings ui, so it's not my addon messing up :/)
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17:11.41foxlitnevcairiel: basically, screw russians? << so yeah, that seems to be the client's opinion on the matter.
17:22.25foxlit... gluexml has a PlaySound error from the 7.3 changes.
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17:27.25StanzillaI believe that falls into the "xD" category
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17:29.57nimhfreethat Russian keyboard looks fine, except ё which I have not on the ` key.
17:33.06foxlitdo you just not have a ё?
17:38.52[TOM_RUS]pretty sure ё should be on ` on proper russian keyboard
17:40.17foxlithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Russian.svg << wikipedia clais that this is a windows-specific layout, so who knows if some linux/unix variant decided to not bother with it.
17:42.53nimhfreemine is on \ but I am on a Mac
17:44.16foxlithttps://images.apple.com/ru/macbook-pro/images/overview/intro_large_2x.jpg
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17:45.14foxlitthe narrow left shift on the UK variant bugs me :(
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18:38.25FiskerYou shouldn't be bugged too much about Apple products foxlit
18:45.29zenzelezztrue; they've had enough bugs on their own lately
19:09.00FiskerApple products don't have bugs silly
19:09.13zenzelezzsorry, I forgot
19:09.30zenzelezztheir users have had enough misconceptions about the intended functionality lately
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21:34.52znfWas anyone else here using hexchat?
21:36.16Kalrothyes
21:39.50zenzelezzyes
21:40.01Simca_^
21:40.03znfwindows? did you notice that 2.4 removed Ctrl+W ?
21:40.40zenzelezzlinux. Sounds like a weird change
21:41.10znfalso broke emoji support
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21:41.32nevcairielthats a feature if i ever heard one
21:41.38zenzelezzthat sound more like a feature, but I suppose I'm just seriously anti-emohi
21:41.42zenzelezz*emoji
21:42.21znfthe correct term would be that it fucked up font fallback :P
21:42.25znfas now they are rendered as blocks
21:42.46Simca_i'm on 2.14.0 not sure if that's ahead of you wildly or behind you
21:42.48zenzelezzhex blocks, or just blocks?
21:43.39znf2.14.0 was the previous version
21:43.44znfcurrent is 2.4.1
21:43.46znfcurrent is 2.14.1
21:43.56znfbut both lose emoji and ctrl+w
21:45.29znfhttps://i.imgur.com/s3myI3V.png this is 2.14.1
21:45.43znferm
21:45.49znfhttps://i.imgur.com/s3myI3V.png this is 2.12.4
21:45.55znfhttps://i.imgur.com/E0P7Nvq.png this is 2.14.1
21:46.09nevcairielstop confusing everyone
21:46.34nevcairielthats still a gtk app isnt it? highest chance that gtk is causing the font troubles
21:47.14znfyeah, it is
21:47.18znfI get the font issue, sure a bug
21:47.24znfbut why remove ctrl+w? :-|
21:47.39nevcairieli have no idea what that even does, so ... because?
21:47.49Simca_it is 'exit window' in windows
21:47.55Simca_which probably kills your tab
21:48.00znfit's close-tab
21:48.16Gnarfozalso closes windows if there are no tabs =]
21:48.34znfwell, last tab is also window :D
21:48.36znfbut you get the point
21:48.39nevcairielwhat would it do in an irc client
21:48.44nevcairielpart the channel? that sounds weird
21:48.47Gnarfozyeah, that
21:48.49Simca_that's why i never use it
21:48.55znfI just close queries
21:49.19Simca_2.14.0 doesn't work with that shortcut either
21:51.06znfyeah, they probably broke it in 2.14
21:53.48znflots of issues with this new release
21:55.04zenzelezzI haven't actually read the patch notes at all. Are they still doing much actual development? For my use it still feels just like X-Chat
21:57.33znfhttps://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changelog.html
21:58.44znfoh
21:58.44znfremove ctrl+w binding by default
21:58.45znfok
21:58.46znfwhy?
21:58.59znfbecause I don't see where the fuck to enable it back
21:59.08zenzelezzsometimes changes just don't make sense
21:59.59zenzelezzin the latest World of Tanks patch, they removed the max speed of a tank on the in-game HUD. It was just a barely visible "/ x" next to the current speed, but I don't see why they felt a reason to remove it
22:00.05nevcairielclearly it has a binding manager somewhere
22:00.55znfhttps://i.imgur.com/qoAoKVY.png
22:00.59znfyeah, but what to add to it?
22:01.34znfbecause I had already checked
22:02.29znfhttps://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/2057
22:02.32znfthat motherf...
22:03.41foxlitprobably a good idea; misplaced command+w annoyed me more times than it helped.
22:04.36foxlit/part seems reasonable enough.
22:05.00nevcairielapparently make a "Run Command" binding for /close
22:05.13zenzelezzctrl+w in Windows seemed "non-standard", not sure where it started... ctrl+f4 used to be "close document"
22:05.14nevcairielor something like that
22:06.02nevcairielyou really need to get better at researching things
22:06.09znfwhere did you find that? >_<
22:06.25nevcairielit says so in the pull request https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/pull/1952
22:06.28zenzelezzresearching is stupid; I'd just realize everyting I get wrong all the time
22:08.29foxlitjust shout obviously wrong things loudly into public channels, people will correct you for free.
22:08.59znfyup
22:09.02znfthanks nevcairiel
22:09.13znfverbose changelogs are overrated
22:10.15znf"we removed a keybind that has been default for 10+ years, good luck"
22:14.23znfzenzelezz, to answer your question, probably GTK stuff? I remember doing Ctrl+W in firefox since the early days
22:17.37Thunder_ChildI think he meant the font, but I could be wrong.
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22:25.09znfThunder_Child, I was referring to ctrl+w
22:26.00Thunder_ChildOh, I was thinking of Nev's comment.
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