| 00:20.36 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: talking about funny behavior, you know the lock screen background image on windows 10, its supposed to change by itself on some interval or whatever. now it never does that for me. except when I was on a small LAN in denmark for a week, I basically got a new image every day. as soon as i got back home, it stuck to the one I currently had and hasn't changed since. |
| 00:20.58 | Gnarfoz | pretty sure that's Windows spotlight or whatever? |
| 00:21.18 | Gnarfoz | I disable that through ShutUp10 |
| 00:21.44 | Gnarfoz | (and I rarely lock my computer at home; and the work one enforces a lock/logon screen through registry/GPO) |
| 00:21.57 | nevcairiel | that doesnt explain why it doesnt work when i'm at home, but physically relocate the PC and suddenly it starts |
| 00:22.45 | Gnarfoz | well. :D |
| 00:22.48 | nevcairiel | why would you even bother to turn that off i wonder |
| 00:22.51 | Gnarfoz | but you could check if it's even on |
| 00:23.09 | Gnarfoz | because it can also display ads there. :D |
| 00:23.24 | nevcairiel | it obviously is on, i just moved my PC to another country and the images started flowing |
| 00:23.42 | nevcairiel | i moved it back, and it stopped |
| 00:23.48 | Gnarfoz | (and it talks to Microsoft, of course. dunno, I don't need it, and it's one of the things ShutUp10 makes easily accessible to turn off ;P) |
| 00:24.16 | Mr_Rabies | if i ever install 10 i'm definitely gonna install the LTSB edition |
| 00:24.21 | Gnarfoz | maybe... tether your PC to your phone and disconnect from your regular interwebs? |
| 00:25.21 | nevcairiel | LTS releases for customers really only have downsides |
| 00:25.38 | nevcairiel | consumers* i meant |
| 00:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think internally, microsoft refers to us as "paypigs" |
| 00:26.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, this free OS I got must have made them rich |
| 00:27.05 | Mr_Rabies | ive used it before on friends' pcs and i don't see anything wrong with LTSB, nevcairiel |
| 00:27.25 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not for my mom, but for a power user it's no big deal |
| 00:27.27 | Gnarfoz | can't use WSL, for example |
| 00:27.30 | nevcairiel | because using it briefly when visiting gives you a proper impression of the consequences |
| 00:28.18 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really use any of the microsoft bundled apps, especially now that most of them are redesigned to be less useful |
| 00:30.00 | Mr_Rabies | and actually, ltsb includes the old (windows 7ish) version of some of the bundled apps they ruined with metro |
| 00:30.50 | nevcairiel | but only because its old, not by design |
| 00:31.05 | nevcairiel | and if you wait long enough there will be a new ltsb with that changed =p |
| 00:31.22 | Mr_Rabies | maybe, but it turns off a lot of the useless shit i don't care for in an operating system |
| 00:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | since i can't install 7 on a skylake without a third party hack, i'll have to eventually use 10 |
| 00:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 00:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | kaby lake |
| 00:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | or higher |
| 00:33.19 | Stanzilla | did someone just say year of the linux desktop? |
| 00:33.25 | nebula | nope |
| 00:33.30 | Stanzilla | damn |
| 00:33.31 | nevcairiel | The only things that are really missing are the store and cortana, which are easily disabled or just not used, and Edge - which is actually a decent browser and you might miss it if you ever want to use Netflix properly |
| 00:33.37 | Stanzilla | thought I heard a pig fly by |
| 00:33.47 | Mr_Rabies | richard stallman has been screaming it at his printer for the past 30 years |
| 00:33.48 | Gnarfoz | a pay pig, mind you |
| 00:34.10 | Gnarfoz | the only tech you should scream at are storage arrays |
| 00:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | isn't it impossible to actually turn off cortana nowadays? |
| 00:34.16 | Gnarfoz | uh... no? |
| 00:34.21 | Stanzilla | no, works just fine |
| 00:34.24 | Stanzilla | registry or gpl |
| 00:34.37 | Gnarfoz | gpl defeats cortana! |
| 00:34.40 | Gnarfoz | (he means GPO) |
| 00:34.44 | Stanzilla | whatever |
| 00:34.48 | Gnarfoz | does it even need a GPO? |
| 00:34.52 | nevcairiel | why do you even need to do that, i just turn off the option and she never appears anywhere |
| 00:34.56 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 00:35.01 | Stanzilla | background services afaik |
| 00:35.05 | Stanzilla | but no idea if true |
| 00:35.33 | Gnarfoz | I can't really tell, ShutUp10 makes it a 2 minute matter and I only revisit it when there's an actual OS version upgrade (like 1709 1803 etc) |
| 00:35.58 | Gnarfoz | ("it" being "all the extra stuff that would require registry/gpo fiddling") |
| 00:36.08 | Mr_Rabies | my favorite part of using 10 at the office was when it decided to clear out my start menu shortcuts after an update and replace them with bejeweled or whatever |
| 00:36.32 | Gnarfoz | my start menu has not been molested |
| 00:36.39 | Gnarfoz | (but also, you can turn those off) |
| 00:36.45 | Mr_Rabies | i really genuinely hate that OS so much and how it always reverts settings after windows updates |
| 00:36.53 | nevcairiel | well the bejeweled thing shows up after a fresh install, but its just a shortcut and i just delete it |
| 00:37.08 | Gnarfoz | "always" -> "never" |
| 00:37.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:37.14 | Mr_Rabies | ive had to send an email to my mom telling her how to turn off password protected sharing at least 10 times now after updates |
| 00:37.16 | nevcairiel | and if your settings go missing regularly, pebcak much? |
| 00:37.43 | Gnarfoz | turn off password protected sharing? wut |
| 00:37.47 | Mr_Rabies | no, it definitely has reset settings on at least 5 computers i've used 10 on on the regular, after every major update and some minor ones |
| 00:37.49 | Gnarfoz | just use homegroup, done |
| 00:37.53 | nevcairiel | (also, if you're not very tech-inclined, use the homegroup) |
| 00:38.01 | Stanzilla | there is currently a bug in Windows where it forgets stuff during upgrades |
| 00:38.02 | Mr_Rabies | homegroup doesn't work so well in a small office |
| 00:38.07 | Stanzilla | it also reverts registry keys |
| 00:38.17 | nevcairiel | like what, major upgrades? |
| 00:38.24 | Gnarfoz | why do you need to tell your mom how to change settings on office computers |
| 00:38.25 | Stanzilla | even insider upgrades |
| 00:38.28 | Stanzilla | happens every build now |
| 00:38.29 | nevcairiel | those dont happen that often |
| 00:38.36 | Stanzilla | wat |
| 00:38.37 | Gnarfoz | insider builds: irrelevant |
| 00:38.43 | Stanzilla | no |
| 00:38.45 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they are not running insider, and if they are, they deserve what they get |
| 00:38.52 | Mr_Rabies | because it's her business, Gnarfoz, and i have another job, but double as tech support over there |
| 00:39.04 | Stanzilla | it just made it happen more often which brought it to attention, it happened for major updates every since RTM |
| 00:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's a small business with nobody capable of even installing a printer themselves, and me with a full-time job trying to manage their computer stuff |
| 00:39.52 | Gnarfoz | must be really odd settings that get lost, I haven't noticed losing anything from RTM to now |
| 00:40.05 | Gnarfoz | printer install 2018: plug in, done |
| 00:40.22 | Mr_Rabies | you'd be surprised, if it's an MFC |
| 00:40.25 | nevcairiel | (network printers might require running a exe file) |
| 00:40.27 | Stanzilla | it might not happen to everyone |
| 00:40.29 | Gnarfoz | idk, some people just have more problems with computers than others |
| 00:40.52 | Mr_Rabies | if you do that before installing the full driver suite from the cd on some printers they STILL totally screw up until you get in there and scrub out whatever microsoft installs |
| 00:41.15 | Gnarfoz | Microsoft installs what the vendor tells them to, most of the time |
| 00:41.22 | nevcairiel | incidentally such driver things are much better in 10 then before |
| 00:41.29 | Gnarfoz | which still might not be the same thing as what you download from their website |
| 00:41.42 | Mr_Rabies | they are much better, that is one thing windows 10 does well so long as the vendor is worth a damn |
| 00:41.51 | nevcairiel | so dont buy cheapo printers |
| 00:41.51 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes they just give MS "update" drivers that install the printer driver, but nothing else works |
| 00:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | man my mom is ADDICTED to cheapo printers, i wish i could convince her otherwise |
| 00:42.30 | Mr_Rabies | at least 2-3 times a year she's bought some terrible disaster of a printer |
| 00:42.32 | nevcairiel | its something a lot of people forget, you not only buy a cheap product, you also buy cheap service |
| 00:43.03 | Gnarfoz | well, considering buying a new printer when the ink runs out is often cheaper than trying to get new ink or even refill it... |
| 00:43.09 | Mr_Rabies | brother laser printers are pretty good so long as you install the full driver suite from the website, but some vendors don't even offer that unless you have the cd and use it |
| 00:43.11 | Gnarfoz | (if moving at the lowest end) |
| 00:43.21 | Gnarfoz | CDs, which decade is this :D |
| 00:43.35 | nevcairiel | i wonder if new printers come with software on USB |
| 00:43.42 | nevcairiel | or just flat out tell you to use the internet |
| 00:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen several only offer the basic print driver for an MFC on the website, and you HAVE to have the CD for it to install correctly |
| 00:43.52 | Gnarfoz | the Brother and Canon MFCs at my parent's house just magically work, over WSD w/ WiFi even, some of them |
| 00:44.39 | nevcairiel | I manually install drivers for my samsung, but its network-only, and installing the driver also hooks up the network printer. never tried to just find it on the network and let windows do its magic *shrug* |
| 00:44.50 | Mr_Rabies | printer support is a damned disaster, but we did just get a new brother printer at work and i love it |
| 00:45.12 | Mr_Rabies | the old one was getting cataracts on the scanner |
| 00:45.13 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 00:45.48 | Gnarfoz | I wish work would update/upgrade/roll out (I have no idea how that works with SCCM) a newer base Windows 10 |
| 00:46.07 | nevcairiel | if you're on ltsb you're stuck at 1607 =p |
| 00:46.17 | Gnarfoz | it's not |
| 00:46.25 | Gnarfoz | which is even stranger |
| 00:46.32 | nevcairiel | enterprise tho, yes? |
| 00:46.34 | Gnarfoz | ye |
| 00:46.42 | Gnarfoz | guess they didn't want to be stuck on 1607 forever |
| 00:47.17 | Gnarfoz | (LTSB description certainly reads like "needs install media to move versions") |
| 00:47.46 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, that's only half the picture, they'd also need to figure out some way to not disable the Store, so I can install WSL from there :P |
| 00:48.01 | nevcairiel | it definitely says that you cannot switch from LTSB to non-LTSB, not sure if you can upgrade to a new LTSB when its out -- currently thats planned for 1903 |
| 00:48.37 | Gnarfoz | it's just plain old 1607, winver should show if it's LTSB, right? |
| 00:49.16 | nevcairiel | so 1607 is what you are on? |
| 00:49.31 | Gnarfoz | IIRC |
| 00:49.45 | Gnarfoz | regedit doesn't have the URL bar, yet |
| 00:49.48 | Gnarfoz | terrible! |
| 00:49.49 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:49.58 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 00:50.38 | Gnarfoz | https://www.ebay.de/itm/Broadcom-SAS-9300-8i-Controller/323140260033 hmm |
| 00:50.47 | Mr_Rabies | someone please identify which version of wingdings this uses thanks http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ddru6 |
| 00:51.35 | Gnarfoz | no thanks |
| 00:52.11 | nevcairiel | I didnt even know you could realistically be stuck on that old Windows version without using LTSB, I mean, whats the point of LTSB if you get updates anyway but just never upgrade :D |
| 00:52.36 | nevcairiel | maybe 1607 isnt old enough yet |
| 00:52.37 | Gnarfoz | what's CBB at? 1703? |
| 00:52.43 | nevcairiel | they got rid of CBB |
| 00:52.53 | Gnarfoz | "defer upgrades" is gone? |
| 00:52.55 | nevcairiel | 1703 was the last one on it, now they just tell everyone to use CB |
| 00:53.46 | nevcairiel | i think its still t here, but it doesnt last forever |
| 00:56.16 | Gnarfoz | I have "Semi-Annual Channel" and "Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted)" |
| 00:56.32 | Gnarfoz | and the description for the former reads like CBB |
| 00:56.42 | Gnarfoz | "ready for widespread use in organizations" |
| 00:56.59 | Gnarfoz | (could you possible just make one version that's usable for everyone? hurr) |
| 00:57.31 | Gnarfoz | I can defer quality updates for up to 30 days, and feature updates for up to 365 days |
| 00:57.47 | Gnarfoz | so I guess it lives on in spirit? |
| 00:58.05 | Gnarfoz | (I'm talking about my 1709 Pro at home now) |
| 00:58.44 | Gnarfoz | (and I can pause updates entirely for 35 days) |
| 01:04.05 | Simca | Mr_Rabies: I think it's Webdings |
| 01:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:05.25 | Mr_Rabies | i shouldn't be surprised someone actually took me up on it, but thank you :D |
| 01:05.46 | Mr_Rabies | seriously throws me off everytime i watch the show |
| 01:06.24 | Mr_Rabies | cause it's all about little dwarf people living in a forest, even city life is very pre-industrial revolution |
| 01:07.13 | Mr_Rabies | then xDINGS to represent dwarf (or whatever they are) language throws me off |
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| 01:42.48 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything out there that makes it easier to tell if your current character is almost done completing the story achievements for a given zone? i know i could manually check all the kalimdor ones on my alts but ehhhhh |
| 01:46.18 | Mr_Rabies | okay actually this is pretty fast i go too far into lazy mode sometimes |
| 01:49.17 | Simca | altoholic puts all your toons achievements side by side in a grid so you literally just wave your tooltip across the screen |
| 01:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i'm not seeing that option - is it in the Grids thing? |
| 01:50.26 | Simca | Achievements |
| 01:50.34 | Mr_Rabies | ...or achievements, man i really need to check these things before typing |
| 01:50.35 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | wow, thanks, this is so much better |
| 01:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | guh i don't want to do desolace, lol |
| 01:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | was hoping i had an alt that was almost through with it |
| 01:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | i did almost all the storylines in vanilla before cata revamped it, i shoulda gotten loremaster then, but i missed just a handful |
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| 21:04.36 | Constie | Is there any way to make text not get cut off like this with certain fonts? https://i.imgur.com/cX4feB1.png |
| 21:14.25 | Constie | Using FontForge to scale all the letters down seems to be working so far. |
| 21:35.16 | modernist | there's no lineheight call is there |
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| 23:28.16 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.35 | foxlit | which seems rather unreasonable for a slash command. |
