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| 10:21.30 | VIad | Gnarfoz: youtube red not available in norway either, dunno for what reasons, except they are probably still testing the platform on a smaller userbase level to iron out issues before world release? |
| 10:26.12 | Varyak | It was announced for 2017 for Germany, but guess what, it never came |
| 10:28.03 | Fisker | maybe with google assistant basically going global this year this year will be the year of fuck yeah Google learns that there are more than 1-5 countries in the world |
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| 10:45.00 | Phixion | umad Fisker ? |
| 10:46.11 | Fisker | Nomad |
| 10:51.31 | VIad | what do you think this evaluates in js? 0.1 + 0.2 == 0.3 |
| 10:52.46 | haste | VIad: it's partially available |
| 10:52.53 | haste | you can buy single episodes, but not subscribe |
| 10:53.01 | haste | in other words -- completely useless :D |
| 10:53.53 | VIad | yeah I noticed, and only reason I'd sub to youtube red is so the people I watch get some money of it, though I guess it's pretty shitty based on what some have said about the whole system |
| 10:54.36 | haste | and 0.1 + 0.2 not being exactly 0.3 is quite common |
| 10:54.40 | foxlit | in tonight's episode: viad discovers floating-point arithmetic. |
| 10:55.04 | haste | http://floating-point-gui.de/ |
| 10:56.48 | VIad | well, my favorite is how lua hides it. if you .1+.2 in lua it prints "0.3" but isn't :x |
| 10:57.30 | nevcairiel | rounding on display is quite common |
| 10:58.09 | VIad | so far I've only seen lua doing this of the languages I've used |
| 10:58.40 | haste | it's due to how it rounds numbers with a lot of decimals |
| 10:59.41 | VIad | if you do ("%.17f"):format(.1 + .2) it will show you the hidden 4 digit :d |
| 11:00.00 | haste | is aware of this. |
| 11:00.54 | VIad | time to wrap every number comparison like this for accuracy print(("%.99f"):format(.1+.2)==("%.99f"):format(.3)) |
| 11:01.04 | VIad | genious |
| 11:01.35 | nevcairiel | comparison is already accurate, which is why you get a false =p |
| 11:08.40 | Fisker | wouldn't == be type equality in js anyway? |
| 11:23.41 | foxlit | Fisker: type-*coercing* equality, but since we're just comparing numbers, it's equivalent to ===. |
| 11:23.53 | Fisker | I see |
| 11:24.03 | Fisker | I will destroy you foxlit |
| 11:25.55 | foxlit | that would be inconvenient, Fisker. |
| 11:28.37 | VIad | yeah wasn't mean to be serious, nevcairiel :x |
| 11:33.16 | Fisker | oh nevermind then foxlit |
| 11:33.21 | foxlit | thanks! |
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| 11:34.00 | Fisker | <3 |
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| 11:35.45 | haste | converts VIad into a string |
| 11:36.11 | VIad | it's okay, the string type can still hold all my properties without any data loss |
| 11:43.33 | VIad | is it wrong to say that in lua only false and nil will evaluate to "false" in "if ... then" statements, and everything else to true? |
| 11:46.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.59 | VIad | the guy I spoke with got spooked when 0 would evaluate to true :p |
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| 16:33.42 | Kemayo | Empty-string being true also surprises people, I find. |
| 16:34.44 | Shockah | wait what |
| 16:34.52 | Shockah | are you talking about Lua or JS now |
| 16:35.44 | nevcairiel | all sorts of things |
| 16:36.00 | nevcairiel | but empty string is probably true in the majority of languages |
| 16:36.10 | nevcairiel | numeric 0 is one of the more "odd" things |
| 16:37.00 | Shockah | oh i misread |
| 16:40.39 | Semlar | python treats empty strings and arrays as false so you can simply do "if var:" without checking if it exists and isn't empty |
| 16:41.51 | Funkeh` | too much magic for my taste |
| 16:42.09 | Semlar | i don't actually like 0 being treated as false in languages |
| 16:42.20 | Semlar | it might make more sense in some languages than others |
| 16:43.08 | Thunder_Child | Often times you can use length to check for both exists and empty. |
| 16:43.11 | nevcairiel | in many of the lower level languages thats mostly the case because int 0 and bool false are basically the same thing on an assembly level, ie. 0 |
| 16:45.29 | Semlar | that's fine, but in higher level languages like python and javascript, i don't like 0 being false because when you're dealing with something you know is supposed to be a number, you can't just check if a variable is set without writing something more explicit |
| 16:46.21 | Semlar | javascript has an enormous number of quirks so it's probably not a great example |
| 16:47.36 | Semlar | Thunder_Child: you can't generally check the length of something that doesn't exist |
| 16:48.40 | Thunder_Child | Heh, I use it in JS to check to see if an element exists. |
| 16:49.28 | Semlar | doing var.length would throw an error that it isn't defined |
| 16:51.23 | Thunder_Child | Only if you have not declared the var right? Even if just to set the type? |
| 16:51.33 | Thunder_Child | Although I guess that depends on the language. |
| 16:53.10 | Semlar | if you don't set the variable to something with a length method it'll throw an exception |
| 16:59.18 | TheDanW | Infus: how would the file be half-written or corrupted? that's the case we guard against during the write |
| 17:03.10 | Infus | TheDanW: virus scanners hook into windows writeFile, buggy backup scripts or whatever. At least I've seen a slow trickle of reports of loosing settings |
| 17:04.05 | Infus | TheDanW: my point is, that in that situation, where the settings file is corrupt and the backup is okay, you shouldn't throw away all hope of recovering... |
| 17:06.26 | Funkeh` | you sure about that, pretty sure there's a whole scanning api now for them, at least as of windows 10 |
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| 17:46.33 | Infus | well, all I can say is that people sometimes come with all settings being lost, and the backup being empty too. I don't have a idea how that happens, but imho the behaviour of WoW that I've described doesn't help |
| 17:48.06 | Funkeh` | probably just bad Stanzilla code |
| 17:48.19 | Stanzilla | or your mom's |
| 17:48.21 | nevcairiel | it might as well leave them with an empty file, which is a valid SV file |
| 17:48.43 | nevcairiel | and once you logout, the new empty state is backed up as well |
| 17:49.28 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla did your healing addon author manage to figure out the complexity of using a library yet |
| 17:49.38 | Stanzilla | Idk I dont use it |
| 17:50.09 | Stanzilla | I think the author is in here though? who was the vuhdo guy again? |
| 17:50.22 | Funkeh` | then why were you reporting it? :D |
| 17:50.40 | Stanzilla | friend had the error |
| 17:52.34 | nevcairiel | friends dont let friends use such addons |
| 18:13.06 | Stanzilla | yeah well |
| 18:13.32 | Fisker | Friends don't lie |
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| 18:26.51 | Gnarfoz | VIad: I wouldn't call 400 million a small userbase :D |
| 18:29.22 | Thunder_Child | Out of 7 Billion? |
| 18:35.16 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 18:35.22 | Seerah | hihi |
| 18:36.18 | Gnarfoz | not really much of a point counting China |
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| 19:32.58 | nevcairiel | Hm these X Files Blu-rays have a really good quality for a show from 25 years ago |
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| 19:37.09 | Thunder_Child | Looks like it was restored. |
| 19:37.23 | foxlit | you sure it's not secret ufo tech? |
| 19:37.30 | nevcairiel | might be! |
| 19:37.33 | nevcairiel | but what do i care |
| 19:37.41 | nevcairiel | get to enjoy it anyway |
| 19:37.47 | Thunder_Child | Because it could have subliminal messages. |
| 19:37.58 | nevcairiel | i would hope so |
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