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| 00:49.24 | Semlar | someone sent me a PM on curse but i can't reply to it because it's redirecting to the twitch merge page :( |
| 00:50.48 | Semlar | i'm wondering if when it says "You've already merged a Twitch account with this Curse account." what it really means is i've already merged a curse account with my twitch account |
| 00:51.19 | Semlar | because my twitch account is inecplicibly linked to a phantom account curse appears to have created for it |
| 00:51.47 | Semlar | torhal fix it |
| 00:52.37 | Torhal | Semlar: Go to PMs so we can get this done. |
| 00:52.47 | Semlar | i don't know how to use irc |
| 00:53.01 | Torhal | Okay, then; we'll use CurseForge PMs. |
| 00:53.02 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:53.06 | Semlar | D: |
| 00:53.13 | foxlit | Semlar: https://go-hero.net/i/mcy-cf.png |
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| 02:32.23 | Simca | i've had a real strange bug happen to me 3 times in 2 days now. if i zone with autorun active then alt-tab immediately, then tab in after load and enable autorun again and alt-tab out again immediately, the game becomes jerky (as you'd expect from a background process with 30 fps cap). but then on tabbing back in, it gets worse. it does 60 fps and then drops every other second to near zero, and will disconnect me after roughly a minute |
| 02:32.23 | Simca | or two |
| 03:12.49 | Corrodias | that is strange indeed |
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| 05:01.42 | Simca | make that 4 times |
| 05:18.02 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 05:18.10 | Seerah | hihi |
| 05:22.59 | Fisker | ð |
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| 06:15.17 | bluspacecow | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Y3cf3MFIw&t=2m27s |
| 06:15.25 | bluspacecow | TIL icelanders name their people weird |
| 06:30.57 | ls- | "Whenever Sweden and Denmark play on a match, the score says SWE - DEN and the remaining letters are "DEN" and "MARK"... " |
| 06:31.12 | ls- | mind = blown |
| 06:45.17 | Semlar | in linux's top command, if a process has "g" next to its memory usage is it using that many gigabytes? |
| 06:48.07 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.10 | Torhal | No, that means it's gangsta. |
| 06:48.30 | Semlar | (implying mongo is using 17gb of virtual ram) |
| 06:51.50 | Semlar | well that sounds like a tomorrow problem |
| 06:51.55 | Semlar | i'm going to sleep |
| 06:52.26 | nebula | steals Semlar's datas |
| 06:52.52 | Semlar | it's probably for the best, this doesn't run very well when it can't load the entire database into ram |
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| 08:47.44 | VIad | I am getting tired of pidgin popups stealing fullscreen focus :P |
| 08:48.01 | VIad | had it happen both for hangouts chats and irc "nickname in use" after a DC |
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| 12:59.15 | VIad | a while ago someone decided to make an addon that redid early leveling zones with new quest texts and story and all being voice acted. it got shutdown for being more a DLC type thing than just an addon. |
| 12:59.33 | VIad | today blizz shutdown the voice acted quests project that only added voice overs to the old quests that had none. |
| 12:59.55 | VIad | apparently voiceover work infringes copyright :P |
| 13:00.24 | VIad | blizz said "itâs still considered a re-performance of our established works" |
| 13:00.50 | VIad | re-performance of non-existing voiceovers :p |
| 13:01.10 | nevcairiel | their text is copyrighted |
| 13:01.18 | nevcairiel | you cant make an audiobook of a book without rights either |
| 13:01.26 | VIad | https://www.reddit.com/r/wowvaq/comments/832etf/i_have_terrible_news_guys/ |
| 13:01.45 | VIad | it's not like the actors or the project earns money if they make a wow addon that adds voices |
| 13:02.01 | nevcairiel | and copyright has this annoying property that you either have to protect all of it, even if you might like what people have done, or someone can take that as grounds to get a foot in the door |
| 13:02.21 | VIad | you make an addon that only works with the game you need to buy access to play |
| 13:02.46 | VIad | its pretty much how things are today, you need the game to play it, and to use the free addons that people make |
| 13:03.21 | VIad | I'm just too dumb to see how making a overover addon that simply makes you not have to read and can enjoy avoice, how that infringes anything |
| 13:03.36 | VIad | makes sense if it was made to be sold or distributed independed of the game |
| 13:05.34 | VIad | in any case it's definetly a loss to the community |
| 13:05.51 | VIad | was actually keeping an eye out for this to try it out |
| 13:07.35 | VIad | I guess soon cosplayers will be sued and shutdown for infringing copyright artwork :P |
| 13:10.02 | VIad | could imagine blizz enforcing cosplay only to be permitted during blizzcon in their centers, and any other cosplay events showcasing wow characters would be shutdown :x |
| 13:19.08 | Andols2 | You can also see it this way, curse/wowinterface will earn money from ads for distributing audio files with Blizzards copyrighted dialog inside it. |
| 13:22.18 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and copyright has this annoying property that you either have to protect all of it, even if you might like what people have done, or someone can take that as grounds to get a foot in the door << you're thinking of trademarks |
| 13:22.49 | nevcairiel | i believe US copyright has that as well |
| 13:23.02 | nevcairiel | you cant just ignore certain violators and prosecute others |
| 13:23.08 | foxlit | urban myth |
| 13:28.54 | foxlit | there are good reasons not to want third parties to alter your content, but copyright law is not one of them - it's just a useful tool to shut those things down. |
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| 13:44.25 | foxlit | Not that it really matters; Blizzard's ultimate recourse for everything addon-related is declaring your addon to be against the ToU and suing you for causing their customers to breach the ToU. |
| 13:45.06 | Justwait | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.14 | Justwait | wouldn't have wasted their time so far then |
| 13:45.26 | Justwait | it was everyones question 'will this be shut down like the other addon' |
| 13:45.31 | nevcairiel | that reddit thread is so full of misinformation |
| 13:45.35 | Justwait | so it was really expected |
| 13:45.43 | nevcairiel | like they are going on about that its forbidden to play sounds through an addon |
| 13:45.49 | nevcairiel | like wtf, thats not the reason |
| 13:46.07 | foxlit | nevcairiel: its a discussion of copyright on the internet; ignorance is par for the course |
| 13:46.10 | nevcairiel | you take their text and read it, they have intellectual property rights on the text itself |
| 13:46.45 | foxlit | we're lucky if there is no "no copywrite intended" disclaimer. |
| 13:47.01 | Justwait | try making an audio book and give it to owners of said books, see how it turns out? :) |
| 13:48.32 | foxlit | Well, they are just a few decades too early |
| 13:49.17 | nevcairiel | games rarely benefit from expired copyright, its just so old then =p |
| 13:50.30 | foxlit | (I'm still hoping for a legislative change) |
| 13:53.12 | foxlit | If AI audio and video generation gets good, it would be weird/impossible to hold onto performing rights. |
| 13:54.34 | foxlit | "no, your smartphone can't read that book to you, because we have laws around here!" |
| 13:55.25 | nevcairiel | AI audio is already pretty good |
| 13:55.47 | nevcairiel | google has been making a lot of progress in that area |
| 13:56.10 | nevcairiel | although for it to be really good you would need the text with metadata |
| 13:56.18 | nevcairiel | to identify different voices etc |
| 13:56.32 | nevcairiel | or teach the AI to get even better to recognize that |
| 13:56.33 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:56.59 | foxlit | It's still cutting edge stuff, which kind of limits the impact. |
| 13:57.48 | foxlit | That tech needs to reach the point where it's boring and ubiqutous for it to have an impact, I think. |
| 13:59.53 | nevcairiel | AI hardware is starting to go consumer, once that happens such algorithms would be more readily available on phones etc |
| 14:00.56 | foxlit | Mm, essentially, we're not yet at a point where you'd actually want to listen to your phone reading a book. |
| 14:01.37 | nevcairiel | probably not, real voice actors can speak far more nuanced |
| 14:01.51 | nevcairiel | but it also doesnt sound all that robotic anymore |
| 14:03.47 | foxlit | (fun tangent: warcraft 2 had text-to-speech on macs. The twelve year old me was very impressed!) |
| 14:03.57 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:04.03 | nevcairiel | back then it sounded very robot-y |
| 14:04.44 | foxlit | and the graphics were very pixel-y :) |
| 14:05.01 | Chipzz | foxlit: and yet, I have a blind friend who does exactly that |
| 14:05.25 | Chipzz | which is why, ironically maybe for a blind person, he's a big fan of apple products |
| 14:05.49 | nevcairiel | i listen to books all the time too, but from voice actors, not robots :) |
| 14:06.20 | Chipzz | not sure if the audiobooks are voice-to-speech or prerecorded |
| 14:06.36 | Chipzz | but he still uses the phones UI with text-to-speech |
| 14:07.20 | Chipzz | and reads websites |
| 14:07.21 | foxlit | Chipzz: yes, that is entirely in line with expectations |
| 14:07.53 | Chipzz | but I guess at a lack of better alternatives |
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| 19:22.08 | foxlit | are arena skirmishes identical to actual arena battles, ui-wise? |
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| 19:26.37 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 19:46.28 | foxlit | heh, there's a first aid quest that requires you to know a level 800 cure, and rewards you with... +5 first aid skill. |
| 19:51.29 | Semlar | the few skirmishes i did were considerably more difficult on average than the real arena matches i queued for |
| 19:52.00 | foxlit | I wonder if people have /cast [@enemyhealer] Interrupt macros. |
| 19:52.46 | Semlar | although i did find out later that regular arena matches counted for the "do 10 arena skirmishes" weekly quest |
| 19:52.56 | nebula | /enemyhealer/focus/ |
| 19:53.42 | Semlar | i don't know how dedicated pvpers have room for a bunch of specific target macros on top of all of their normal keybinds |
| 19:54.03 | Semlar | maybe they just limit themselves to fewer spells |
| 19:54.21 | foxlit | doesn't really have to eat a key; /cast [mod,@enemyhealer][] Interrupt would work just fine. |
| 19:55.02 | Semlar | well, my normal set of keybinds uses ctrl, alt and shift |
| 19:56.08 | Semlar | i guess i could rebind modifiers over my wasd keys for extra bindings |
| 19:56.55 | Semlar | i mostly stick to 1-7, q, e and maybe a few other keys |
| 19:58.25 | Semlar | i don't like trying to learn new bindings though, i play terribly until i get used to them |
| 20:02.14 | Semlar | what does [focus=target] evaluate to as a macro condition |
| 20:02.22 | foxlit | a syntax error, Semlar. |
| 20:02.29 | Semlar | that's what i thought |
| 20:02.52 | foxlit | can I somehow synchronize updates across SecureGroupHeaders? Kind of want to run some code after all headers have been updated |
| 20:02.56 | Semlar | someone's using it in an example script they posted here http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56084 |
| 20:03.46 | Semlar | i assume the intent is to compare their focus and target |
| 20:11.27 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you can always call some secure snippet on all of them on each update, but that doesnt really tell you when the last one is done |
| 20:11.34 | nevcairiel | but you could probably track that somehow |
| 20:13.49 | foxlit | it seems like a pain. It already seems tricky to figure out when just *one* header is done updating its children. |
| 20:14.51 | nevcairiel | doesnt that fire an event |
| 20:14.58 | nevcairiel | i think i used that recently |
| 20:15.03 | nevcairiel | i mean, call a snippet with that |
| 20:15.23 | nevcairiel | or did it call a snippet on each child when it updated it |
| 20:15.25 | nevcairiel | maybe that was it |
| 20:15.52 | nevcairiel | i used one of those to fix the stupid vehicle selection in antorus |
| 20:16.17 | nevcairiel | because the secure "get unit" code has no way to do it properly on its own |
| 20:16.20 | foxlit | You do get a per-child call, but then I'd end up updating <=40 times while it messes with each child in turn |
| 20:16.50 | nevcairiel | in other news, i like how the Azerite elementals look, the color scheme somehow works well |
| 20:17.54 | foxlit | (the quick hack was to create 41 children and trap the update of the 41st) |
| 20:19.57 | foxlit | Suppose for a second that there were tank1, tank2, ... unit tokens. If you were a tank, would you prefer that: (1) the tokens are consistent between raid members, i.e. you're, say, tank3 to everyone (2) you never appeared as a tank token to yourself (3) you always appeared as tank1 to yourself. |
| 20:20.33 | nevcairiel | consistency would probably be best |
| 20:20.52 | foxlit | but this robs you of the ability to consistently cast things on the other tank. |
| 20:21.10 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid, i dont do that |
| 20:22.24 | foxlit | you probably don't want to cast anything on yourself either. |
| 20:22.52 | nevcairiel | i dont need a tank token to do that either way |
| 20:27.37 | foxlit | You could... keybind /cast [@tank2target] Growl for... reasons. |
| 20:29.22 | nevcairiel | if i have to take over another tanks target, i better target it |
| 20:32.31 | Velithris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.11 | nevcairiel | but not if you need to actually swap two mobs =p |
| 20:34.11 | Velithris | that was a tongue-in-cheek advice, it will fuck things up on Coven |
| 20:34.17 | foxlit | I'm rather inclined to go with (2). Everyone else can have consistent tank targetting, and you can easily get to the offtank. |
| 20:34.22 | Semlar | the misdirect addon i started writing to auto-cast on my tank just picked whichever one had the most health |
| 20:35.15 | foxlit | it also means I don't have to write logic to figure out if the player is a specific raid unit or not, which is good. |
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