| 00:00.03 | Simca | also 'ui widgets' addon, i'm guessing it is widget docs? |
| 00:00.46 | TheDanW | not quite |
| 00:04.34 | foxlit | (it's just replacing an arbitrary string identifier with two arbitrary string identifiers. Could've just consistently used the system name as a prefix in all the literal names to achieve the same effect) |
| 00:07.20 | nebula | enum all the things! |
| 00:28.55 | Semlar | nebula: i can't use my real account to actually do anything because it wants me to merge it with a twitch account, which i already did |
| 00:32.13 | Semlar | i was ranting about it the other day |
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| 04:24.08 | bluspacecow | Query - is this beast new to alpha or have I just not noticed it |
| 04:24.13 | bluspacecow | *kills it* |
| 04:24.19 | bluspacecow | *it drops non place holder junk* |
| 04:24.24 | bluspacecow | nope just never noticed it :P |
| 04:24.53 | bluspacecow | it did however ask me to fill out a bug report |
| 04:25.10 | bluspacecow | stupid QA analysts disguised as crocodiles! |
| 04:26.11 | ls- | :D |
| 04:33.18 | Semlar | maybe it was an allegory |
| 05:07.56 | Mr_Rabies | it was about this time i noticed that this crocodile was aout 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era |
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| 06:11.16 | Gethe | the UIWidget addon could be a replacement for the UI Panel Management in UIParent.lua |
| 06:24.22 | Simca | does appear to be something weird with 'widget sets' and adding and removing widgets |
| 06:24.44 | Simca | it's almost entirely a mixin |
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| 15:06.32 | foxlit | Gethe: the UIWidget addon could be a replacement for the UI Panel Management in UIParent.lua << they're event driven, which makes no sense for traditional panels, which rely on user interaction. |
| 15:08.07 | foxlit | UI fragments which are contextual with respect to the game world would make more sense -- capture timers for PvP objectives, area-specific quest progress, maybe the mirror bars. |
| 15:08.44 | Gethe | there are plenty of events that are triggered by user interaction, specificly BANK_OPEN/CLOSED, and the mission table event too |
| 15:09.27 | foxlit | think they'll add a PVP_GROUP_FINDER_OPEN/_CLOSED? |
| 15:09.57 | Gethe | they made UPDATE_UI_WIDGET and UPDATE_ALL_UI_WIDGETS |
| 15:10.47 | nevcairiel | they specifically have like a widget mixin f or things attached to the minimap, so things like quest progress, dungeon things, etc might make sense |
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| 15:13.55 | foxlit | so the objective tracker better watch out :P |
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| 16:47.59 | Simca | so i know a few people here rely on DB data not provided through existing APIs for addons (i sure do; pet battle stuff is tied to them deeply). in case anyone wants to look over 8.0 DBs (even though addons aren't enabled yet), here's a free zip with all of them (with proper names). http://www.mediafire.com/file/5x6eol3drdjq0ac/26175.zip |
| 16:48.45 | nevcairiel | psh and I rebuild my Lua and pestered foxlit to fix his casc lib to just download them myself =p |
| 16:49.51 | nevcairiel | where do you get the descriptive col names from? the binary? |
| 16:51.42 | Simca | yes |
| 16:52.39 | nevcairiel | i should keep that archive for that alone, they re-ordered a bunch of them |
| 16:53.14 | Simca | those aren't 1:1 exactly with blizzard names. they're my take on them, with some slight modifications. theirs have their own share of mistakes. (mine probably do too but hopefully less mistakes) |
| 16:54.55 | Simca | blizzard also alternates naming styles constantly ('myName', 'MyName', 'my_name'), often even within the same DB |
| 16:55.14 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont really care about that, just need to identify columns |
| 16:55.21 | nevcairiel | so that takes the guessing out of it |
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| 18:23.36 | Semlar | Ketho: it turns out they just didn't have the latest version of the addon |
| 18:29.54 | Thunder_Child | PEBKAC. |
| 18:47.13 | Ketho | ow, nice. I honestly thought AIO is secretly tainting the unit frames with the status text options but never mind |
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| 19:24.48 | Semlar | Ketho: i do think it's tainting the unit frames through the status text but it wasn't causing whatever was going on with this person |
| 19:26.04 | Semlar | i might try and write something to avoid the status text taint without removing the feature |
| 19:26.48 | Semlar | i don't know what actually triggers it so it's a little hard to test |
| 19:28.50 | Semlar | actually no i think i found what's going on |
| 19:29.39 | Semlar | it actually sets the value of the status bar here https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/TextStatusBar.lua#118 |
| 19:30.20 | Semlar | and then here it gets the value of the status bar https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/PartyMemberFrame.lua#613 |
| 19:31.31 | Semlar | it then hides a secure frame |
| 19:32.52 | Semlar | i don't know if that's enough for it to block the execution path there since it doesn't appear to be directly deciding whether to hide it based on that value |
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| 20:23.14 | nevcairiel | taint spreads like wildfire |
| 20:24.23 | Thunder_Child | Can also be itchy. |
| 20:39.37 | Semlar | yeah, but i thought taint would only block an action if it was directly relying on a value that was affected by something an addon did |
| 20:40.12 | Semlar | not just pulling a value into the scope that was tainted by an addon |
| 20:41.48 | foxlit | yeah, that's just wrong. |
| 20:42.30 | Semlar | which way does it work? |
| 20:43.13 | Semlar | does pulling a tainted value into a function taint everything else in that function, or only things that directly rely on that value |
| 20:43.17 | nevcairiel | if the execution handles any tainted value, all further commands are considered insecure |
| 20:43.18 | foxlit | there's no dataflow analysis; code is tainted the moment it accesses a tainted thing, regardless of what it does with it later. |
| 20:43.34 | Semlar | ah |
| 20:43.38 | Semlar | much worse than i thought then |
| 20:43.58 | foxlit | but did you notice that you're setting the value, but retrieving the range? |
| 20:44.11 | foxlit | There's no particular reason the former should taint the latter, but who knows what they did. |
| 20:44.27 | Semlar | good point |
| 20:44.59 | Semlar | i could have the wrong idea about what's triggering this, it's not that easy to trace |
| 20:45.44 | Semlar | i do know _G[selfName.."PetFrame"]:Hide() is what was being blamed in someone's taint log |
| 20:47.00 | foxlit | blamed is the wrong term there; that's just the statement that tries to do something protected only to discover that it is no longer secure. |
| 20:47.15 | Semlar | i think the max value of the status bar is being set based on the current value somewhere |
| 20:47.37 | Semlar | i don't remember where i saw that |
| 20:50.55 | Semlar | i'm thinking about calling TextStatusBar_UpdateTextStringWithValues with my own status bar with the values set on it that i want it to read for setting the status text |
| 20:52.01 | Semlar | and leaving the original status bar alone |
| 20:53.54 | foxlit | pop quiz: /run GameTooltip.SetText({[0]=GameTooltip}, "Run!") print("Will this print?") |
| 20:54.22 | foxlit | and the answer is "of course not, that typo is obvious!" |
| 20:56.27 | Semlar | i actually didn't know tooltips had a SetText method |
| 20:56.36 | nebula | o.O |
| 20:56.51 | Semlar | i've only ever used AddLine and AddDoubleLine |
| 20:57.03 | nebula | calling settext first ensures it's cleared |
| 20:57.19 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you're supposed to clear it with SetOwner |
| 20:58.02 | Semlar | someone fix wowprogramming.com |
| 20:58.21 | nebula | i was going to say "SetOwner doesn't change the content" but i wasn't sure :p |
| 20:58.43 | nebula | i've always used SetText for the first line |
| 21:00.37 | Semlar | i also rarely construct tooltips from scratch, it's usually from setting them to something and then adding more lines after it |
| 21:01.25 | foxlit | My real evil plan: I want to make a frankenstein GameTooltip object that redirects to the actual GameTooltip if that's still alive, and to an alternative addon-managed GameTooltip widget if the real thing is forbidden |
| 21:02.00 | nevcairiel | until secure code takes over yours as well? |
| 21:02.00 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:02.20 | Semlar | my last attempt to avoid friendly nameplates breaking the tooltip just ended up tainting something else so i gave up |
| 21:02.35 | foxlit | your homework is to figure out why that couldn't possibly happen, nevcairiel. |
| 21:03.29 | nevcairiel | its not very effective if you dont take over the global name |
| 21:04.09 | foxlit | well, it'd make /my/ addon work and not throw errors, what more could I possibly want? :) |
| 21:04.30 | nevcairiel | fix the world! |
| 21:04.41 | nevcairiel | i just added forbidden checks |
| 21:04.47 | nevcairiel | only reports i got were about the errors |
| 21:04.51 | nevcairiel | not a lack of tooltips |
| 21:04.52 | Semlar | i attempted to patch it for everything |
| 21:05.17 | Semlar | because my friend refused to just disable the nameplates |
| 21:05.27 | Semlar | and was constantly complaining about it breaking every addon |
| 21:07.08 | Semlar | oh right, i replaced its SetOwner function |
| 21:07.21 | foxlit | can't really steal the name unless you're certain that no framexml code touches it before attempting to do something protected |
| 21:07.27 | Semlar | it actually helped a lot but then broke other things |
| 21:08.14 | Semlar | and then i replaced the error handler so the errors wouldn't show up :D |
| 21:08.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.05 | foxlit | (but even if you stole the name, it wouldn't be able to forbid your alternative widget: whatever code touches you will be tainted, which means that it'll throw when touching forbidden things, keeping your widget alive) |
| 21:12.11 | foxlit | but it'd be nice to just be able to take existing code, s/GameTooltip/FrankenTooltip/g and declare victory. |
| 21:12.51 | Semlar | frankentip |
| 21:14.32 | foxlit | capitalising that makes it weird. |
| 21:15.56 | Semlar | there was a scifi original called frankenfish |
| 21:16.24 | Semlar | it was about a giant fish that went around eating people |
| 21:19.34 | Semlar | it wasn't very good |
| 21:20.32 | Thunder_Child | No kidding. |
| 21:21.00 | foxlit | your paste site is pretty, Semlar. |
| 21:22.11 | Semlar | i like ghostbin |
| 21:23.05 | nevcairiel | you just made it hide the error from the nameplates? |
| 21:23.14 | nevcairiel | that doesnt fix anything = p |
| 21:23.17 | Semlar | no |
| 21:23.36 | Semlar | i hooked SetOwner to prevent it from setting the tooltip to a forbidden frame |
| 21:23.49 | nevcairiel | yeah thats probably a bad idea |
| 21:23.55 | nevcairiel | taint all the things |
| 21:24.18 | Semlar | very few things rely on fetching the owner of the tooltip |
| 21:24.41 | Semlar | but a couple things do |
| 21:24.44 | foxlit | that's the wrong concern to be addressing |
| 21:26.19 | Semlar | are you saying calling SetOwner would taint the execution path even though nothing is getting data from it |
| 21:26.23 | foxlit | yes. |
| 21:26.28 | Semlar | how sure of that are you |
| 21:26.31 | foxlit | absolutely. |
| 21:26.57 | Semlar | that doesn't make any sense |
| 21:26.58 | foxlit | you don't even have to call it; the table access is already enough |
| 21:27.19 | Semlar | how would that be exploitable |
| 21:27.56 | Semlar | you aren't changing the state of the function |
| 21:28.23 | foxlit | The taint logic here shoots first and asks questions later. |
| 21:28.29 | foxlit | s/later/never/ |
| 21:28.54 | foxlit | as far as it's concerned, secure code accessed a tainted value, and can no longer be trusted with anything. |
| 21:30.37 | Semlar | regardless, yes it does taint things, i don't recommend using it, but it is much, much better than the original situation |
| 21:31.04 | Semlar | which spams you with errors if you're healing with friendly nameplates up |
| 21:32.15 | Semlar | it also allows addons to continue modifying the tooltip |
| 21:33.00 | Semlar | whereas otherwise you lose the functionality of all of the addons that do this |
| 21:34.37 | Semlar | i was going to try and remove mouse interaction from the buff frames themselves but i couldn't think of a way to do that |
| 21:35.11 | Semlar | you can put a mouse-blocking frame under the cursor but can't really detect when you want to do that before it's too late |
| 21:37.26 | Semlar | obviously you can't detect the position of friendly nameplates because that would defeat the purpose of forbidding them |
| 21:38.06 | Semlar | and you can't really pre-hook anything that i can think of except the tooltip itself |
| 21:39.19 | Semlar | i thought maybe you could let the interface use the original GameTooltip and create your own separate tooltip frame just for addons to use, but i don't know if there's any way to make that happen |
| 21:40.53 | Semlar | for that matter i'm not sure what would happen if you hooked part of the tooltip before it was forbidden, what would happen when it tried to call the function after it becomes forbidden |
| 21:41.16 | Semlar | throw an error? |
| 21:44.11 | foxlit | the question is underspecified; there are a lot of ways to hook and call things. |
| 21:44.35 | Semlar | replace a method on GameTooltip with your own |
| 21:45.18 | foxlit | it wouldn't throw an error just because you did GameTooltip.Hide = function() end |
| 21:45.57 | foxlit | the error-throwing check is inside the C function implementing the widget api. If you don't call into it, nothing gets thrown. |
| 21:47.31 | nevcairiel | the forbidden code would possibly still try to call your stuff, but then taint itself, and once it gets back to its own forbidden stuff, error out because tainted |
| 21:48.20 | foxlit | ("forbidden code" isn't a thing, read "code interacting with forbidden widgets") |
| 21:48.36 | nevcairiel | i try to dumb it down for mushroom people |
| 21:48.42 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 21:49.01 | Semlar | why does nobody recognize my genius |
| 21:49.42 | Thunder_Child | That would mean you don't recognize your genius either..... |
| 21:49.45 | nebula | foxlit and you discussing how to break the ui is pretty terrifying |
| 21:50.00 | nebula | rather, "fix" the ui |
| 21:50.39 | nevcairiel | we should discuss more frightening solutions until TheDanW fixes the tooltip situation :) |
| 21:51.59 | Semlar | when the tooltip gets reparented back to a non-forbidden frame it needs to remove its forbidden status |
| 21:52.39 | Semlar | but to do that i suppose it would need to differentiate between frames that should be temporarily forbidden and frames that should never be accessible |
| 21:52.59 | nevcairiel | i would hope it can do that |
| 21:53.11 | foxlit | also that's a very half-hearted fix. |
| 21:53.20 | nevcairiel | it can also differentiate protected frames from explicitly protected and having inherited the protection |
| 21:53.22 | Semlar | alternatively they could just not hijack the tooltip for those buff frames |
| 21:53.25 | Semlar | that would be a much simpler fix |
| 21:53.33 | foxlit | since it's relying on some piece of framexml to remain secure and kindly fix the tooltip parent for you |
| 21:53.43 | foxlit | also, why do people call it the parent? |
| 21:55.11 | nevcairiel | apparently the owner relationship has a similar impact then parenting |
| 21:55.22 | Semlar | i thought setting the owner set the parent of the tooltip |
| 21:55.33 | foxlit | no, it stays parented to what it was parented to. |
| 21:55.45 | foxlit | (i.e. UIParent) |
| 21:55.59 | Semlar | then why would it even be forbidden in the first place |
| 21:56.16 | Semlar | because it's being anchored to the frame? |
| 21:56.20 | foxlit | yes. |
| 21:57.33 | foxlit | (or, rather, anchoring to a forbidden thing should cause you to become forbidden, and :SetOwner also assigns an anchor in this case. No idea if the owner causes the frame to become forbidden if e.g. ANCHOR_NONE or ANCHOR_PRESERVE is used.) |
| 21:57.39 | Semlar | and it retains its forbidden status just because? |
| 21:58.50 | nevcairiel | it should clear it when its anchor is cleared, but that doesnt seem to work ?sometimes? |
| 21:58.51 | Semlar | anchoring it to a forbidden frame causes it to explicitly become forbidden and not just "forbidden because it's anchored to a forbidden frame" |
| 21:59.33 | nevcairiel | the next problem is that GameTooltip_Hide doesnt actually de-anchor it, the gametooltip relies on the next user to just anchor it |
| 21:59.53 | nevcairiel | not sure if using any other secure UI element might actually fix it |
| 22:00.05 | nevcairiel | but probably another problem in there |
| 22:00.22 | nevcairiel | the easiest solution would be to just use a different tooltip for those frames |
| 22:00.28 | nevcairiel | and call it a day |
| 22:00.41 | Semlar | they really don't need tooltips |
| 22:01.01 | nevcairiel | maybe not, but without changing functionality, using their own forbidden tooltip would be fine |
| 22:01.02 | Semlar | it's arguably worse because it makes all of those debuff buttons intercept the mouse |
| 22:01.34 | foxlit | hey now, you can't just fix a bug that's been around since 7.2 by proposing a simple four-line change! |
| 22:02.09 | nevcairiel | the number of lines isnt always indicative of the complexity of the problem |
| 22:02.21 | Semlar | i can see the reasoning behind wanting people to be able to see the description for a debuff by hovering over the debuff button but trying to do that on a nameplate is kind of insane |
| 22:02.24 | nevcairiel | i've worked on single lines of codes for days |
| 22:03.00 | foxlit | in this case, however, that fix is obvious and simple and should've been applied 11 months ago. |
| 22:03.02 | Semlar | especially when it breaks all the addons |
| 22:03.21 | nevcairiel | i think the number of people using friendly plates is probably relatively small |
| 22:03.27 | nevcairiel | mostly because they are awful |
| 22:04.00 | Semlar | i know some people who use them explicitly for the debuff display above people's heads, which is pretty useful |
| 22:05.53 | Semlar | i wouldn't mind having the debuffs without showing the nameplates themselves |
| 22:06.28 | Semlar | having the friendly nameplates on in a raid can be pretty distracting |
| 22:10.25 | Semlar | but if someone has a super important "don't stand next to me i'm about to explode" debuff on them it's nice to show that above their head |
| 22:10.41 | nebula | blizzard typically provides that now |
| 22:10.52 | nevcairiel | boss mods often make you spout out a say bubble in such cases |
| 22:16.45 | foxlit | bah, the C api uses rawget :( |
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| 22:24.31 | foxlit | https://ghostbin.com/paste/e2yg6 |
| 22:25.27 | Semlar | so who knows how to get warcraftlogs to display ability names in english when you have your language set to english |
| 22:25.37 | TheDanW | i have a bug in to fix GameTooltip becoming forbidden from friendly nameplates, should be for bfa |
| 22:26.33 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.50 | nevcairiel | did you click the translate button |
| 22:26.59 | nevcairiel | because that works for me |
| 22:27.05 | Semlar | what translate button |
| 22:27.34 | Semlar | the website obviously knows the english spell names, and it has a language selection dropdown |
| 22:27.43 | nevcairiel | blue-ish button in a top border on the right hand side |
| 22:27.44 | Semlar | you'd think it would display them in the language you have selected |
| 22:28.03 | nebula | yea, i never understood why it used the source locale for spell names |
| 22:28.19 | Semlar | i didn't see the translate button |
| 22:28.24 | Semlar | what's the point of the language dropdown then |
| 22:28.32 | foxlit | changing their UI language |
| 22:28.43 | Semlar | why doesn't it use that for everything? |
| 22:28.54 | Semlar | on the off-chance i know korean? |
| 22:28.58 | foxlit | nebula already told you he doesn't know why they don't use that for everything. |
| 22:31.37 | Semlar | to be fair i probably should know korean considering how many kdramas i've seen |
| 22:32.23 | Semlar | you don't get the opportunity to actually read in the language for those though |
| 22:34.22 | foxlit | no mandatory closed captioning? |
| 22:41.34 | foxlit | TheDanW: that's good to know, but the timeline is rather glacial. |
| 22:42.28 | TheDanW | only so much bandwidth available |
| 22:42.39 | Semlar | you guys should hire me and i can fix it for you |
| 22:43.26 | Semlar | i have a degree in breaking the interface |
| 22:43.33 | TheDanW | we had several positions open recently ;p |
| 22:44.23 | foxlit | is it possible for you to sign external addons to have them run securely? |
| 22:45.13 | foxlit | (purely in a technical sense) |
| 22:45.15 | TheDanW | possible and likely are different |
| 22:45.55 | TheDanW | we don't have a process to do that currently |
| 22:46.32 | Semlar | i'm putting TheDanW as a reference on my resume |
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| 22:47.06 | TheDanW | as some guy from irc? |
| 22:47.29 | Semlar | "the blizzard irc guy" |
| 22:48.01 | Semlar | he'll vouche for me |
| 22:48.09 | Semlar | i mean vouch |
| 22:48.46 | TheDanW | "known to break UIs" |
| 22:49.04 | Semlar | listen, i have like 2 million downloads on curse |
| 22:49.14 | Semlar | what more could you need |
| 22:49.19 | Thunder_Child | All of them broken. |
| 22:49.27 | foxlit | 3. |
| 22:50.35 | Semlar | if you count all the ones i've helped make it's more! |
| 22:51.11 | Semlar | i'm an asset |
| 22:53.06 | Thunder_Child | I'm an ass. |
| 22:58.58 | Semlar | plus i'm probably one of the only people on the planet who understands the map api |
| 22:59.15 | foxlit | the one that's being replaced? |
| 23:00.12 | Semlar | are you saying i'm obsolete |
| 23:01.18 | foxlit | :( |
| 23:02.09 | Semlar | what's the new api |
| 23:03.44 | nevcairiel | its not available yet, but i've been given assurances its being worked on, minimal C state, all Luaa |
| 23:03.45 | nevcairiel | -a |
| 23:05.19 | nevcairiel | i'm mostly excited about getting rid of C state |
| 23:08.31 | nevcairiel | (as long as no info goes away thats available right now; I'm probably one of the few that gathers this much map data from the API alone) |
| 23:21.03 | Semlar | do you suppose blizzard requires more than a highschool diploma |
| 23:22.27 | Thunder_Child | I think you can sub exp for a degree. |
| 23:22.38 | nevcairiel | among other things they require living in the US, which is already canceling any such thoughts |
| 23:23.05 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure florida still counts as part of the US |
| 23:23.07 | nebula | hey atleast it california |
| 23:23.18 | nevcairiel | i dont like summer |
| 23:24.07 | Thunder_Child | Summer exists everywhere. |
| 23:24.21 | nevcairiel | in some places more so then in others |
| 23:25.02 | Semlar | we don't really have seasons here |
| 23:26.15 | foxlit | I think the important question is this: how many meters of snow do you get a year? |
| 23:27.06 | Thunder_Child | In SoCal? -1 |
| 23:27.31 | nevcairiel | and how many days of "better not go outside, its too hot"? |
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| 23:28.08 | Thunder_Child | Subjective. But there was only ~2 months where it was above 90. |
| 23:28.21 | nebula | socal is actually pretty temperate |
| 23:28.28 | Thunder_Child | And very few days above 100 |
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