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| 04:59.45 | bluspacecow | anyone else seeing a Murloc in the snow here - https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product |
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| 05:43.04 | Simca | yeah, why? |
| 05:43.14 | Simca | looks like murky model from heroes |
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| 05:54.21 | bluspacecow | Just wondered if you get a different 404 page depending of which CDNS you are connected to / what part of the world / how many times you reload the page |
| 05:55.21 | bluspacecow | BRB food hunting |
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| 15:27.57 | Funkeh` | Wasn't someone saying the other day that something was causing GameTooltip to become secure? Even calling :Hide triggers forbidden object errors |
| 15:28.22 | foxlit | yes, that's how forbidden objects work. |
| 15:28.30 | Funkeh` | oh really? |
| 15:28.31 | nevcairiel | yeah it happens when you hover over buffs on friendly instance nameplates |
| 15:28.45 | foxlit | literally can't call any methods except isforbidden. |
| 15:29.08 | nevcairiel | for some reason the tooltip sometimes gets stuck in forbidden mode then |
| 15:29.42 | Funkeh` | great |
| 15:30.16 | Funkeh` | Guess it's time to re-think gametooltip for minimap icon tooltips |
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| 16:35.35 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: Really.....Atlassian? |
| 16:40.14 | Stanzilla | they're the worst |
| 16:42.09 | Thunder_Child | He recommened working there to Unkle. Maybe the company itself is better. |
| 17:06.52 | WoWUIDevDiscord | <Stanzilla> Test |
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| 18:25.12 | Chipzz | TheDanW: could you clarify SetTarget vs SetTargetKey vs SetChildKey in Animation? https://web.archive.org/web/20170202064036/http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Animation/ claims all 3 exist, so logically it would be SetTarget accepts Region, SetTargetKey and SetChildKey accept strings. yet https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Blizzard_ArtifactUI/Blizzard_ArtifactRelicForgeUI.lua#965 uses SetTarge |
| 18:25.18 | Chipzz | tKey with a Region. bug or misunderstanding on my part? |
| 18:28.51 | foxlit | if only there was some program you could run to quickly check what happens when that code runs. |
| 18:29.41 | Chipzz | foxlit: the use of SetTargetKey looks incorrect there IMO, should probably be SetTarget, so I might be pointing out a bug |
| 18:38.31 | Chipzz | also SetTargetKey and SetChildKey make very little to no sense as lua functions, since you can just do SetTarget(target.key) (just mae sth up along as I go, might have to look slightly different in practice, but you get what I mean) |
| 18:38.59 | Chipzz | note how ParentedObject doesn't have SetParentKey either, because of the same reason |
| 18:39.33 | Chipzz | and why is not sth writing a quick addon would enlighten me on |
| 18:41.32 | foxlit | you could find out that :SetTargetKey, countrary to your expectations, takes an object and behaves as if you called :SetTarget. |
| 18:42.00 | Chipzz | what's the point of the behaviour is the same as SetTarget? |
| 18:42.01 | nevcairiel | the relic stuff is also the only place where SetTargetKey is ever used |
| 18:42.17 | foxlit | or you could find out that it doesn't, in which case the framexml is an actual bug rather than "could be a bug" |
| 18:42.18 | Chipzz | and it's used there incorrectly IMO, should be SetTarget |
| 18:42.21 | foxlit | point is, do your homework. |
| 18:42.55 | Chipzz | point is, doing my homework still doesn't tell me "why" |
| 18:43.15 | nevcairiel | or maybe it does, you never know what you'll find until you look :) |
| 18:43.26 | Chipzz | and even that being said, targetKey is never used in the XML either, only childKey is ever used, which begs the question why it exists in the first place? |
| 18:44.16 | nevcairiel | wowprogramming is just user-generated docs as well, its entirely in the realm of possibility that you are up on an entirely wrong path based on the docs there |
| 18:44.54 | Chipzz | setting a key on the AnimationGroup is rather pointless in almost every case. And in the rare sense where it could make sense, the same can be achieved by by <OnLoad>self:GetParent().key = self</OnLoad> |
| 18:45.04 | Chipzz | s/sense/case/ |
| 18:45.55 | Stanzilla | when was wowprogramming last updated even |
| 18:46.31 | nevcairiel | dont think it was updated much after it was initially filled, other then automatically pulling in new events/widget api without docs |
| 18:46.57 | Chipzz | foxlit: and quite frankly, I wrote an emulator that does a lot of checks on the XML (more than Blizzard themselves) and fixed their xsd. Telling me I'm not doing my homework is rather unfair :P |
| 18:47.44 | nevcairiel | also its interesting to note that "SetTarget" not only takes a region, but you can also pass it a name of a frame |
| 18:48.05 | nevcairiel | so SetTargetKey may work the same way, you can pass it an object or a string, just the way it interprets a string is different, but object is of course the same |
| 18:48.48 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: yeah that's a thought I also had |
| 18:49.13 | nevcairiel | (also, back when I last played with animations, the stuff behaved oddly differently between passing objects or strings) |
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| 18:57.22 | TheDanW | SetTarget accepts a string as a global object name, this won't be resolved until the anim starts playing; alternatively it accepts an animatable object directly |
| 18:58.05 | TheDanW | SetTargetKey should really be something like SetTargetSiblingKey, it's the name of a sibling that won't be resolved until the anim starts playing |
| 18:59.13 | TheDanW | actually, i have that reversed, that should be SetChildKey |
| 18:59.30 | TheDanW | SetTargetKey is actually a child |
| 18:59.33 | TheDanW | makes sense, right? |
| 19:05.02 | Chipzz | the late resolving is new to me; do other methods on other objects that can take both a string and an object have the same late resolving behaviour? |
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| 19:06.54 | Chipzz | I mean, I know there's late resolving for virtual objects getting instantiated, but that's on load |
| 19:09.21 | Chipzz | TheDanW: but since at https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Blizzard_ArtifactUI/Blizzard_ArtifactRelicForgeUI.lua#913 DimTexture is used as an object and not as a string, the other code in that file should just use SetTarget? |
| 19:11.44 | Chipzz | I guess it works, but I would say it's bad example usage of the API? |
| 19:15.22 | Chipzz | and you also didn't answer what the point is in both SetTarget and SetTargetKey (and potentially also SetChildKey) accepting a Region is pointless? |
| 19:15.35 | Chipzz | s/ is pointless/ |
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| 19:41.50 | TheDanW | only anims use later bindings iirc, i'm pretty sure the usage in ArtifactRelicForge is incorrect |
| 19:41.55 | TheDanW | it likely does nothing |
| 19:42.48 | TheDanW | it would bind the target to the anim's parent |
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| 20:41.15 | Chipzz | so I found a bug after all :) |
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| 21:19.13 | Chipzz | but I'm still not clear on the usefulness of SetTargetKey (it's also not used in the XML); Animation:GetParent() would be the AnimationGroup, and Animation:GetParent():GetParent() would be the region, and judging from the use of it, childKey = Animation:GetParent():GetParent().key |
| 21:20.01 | Chipzz | the docs I found on ChildKey imply that it's SetTargetKey with "$parent.$parent." prepended |
| 21:24.38 | Chipzz | maybe I should experiment around with it |
| 21:24.45 | Chipzz | will do that later |
| 21:45.09 | TheDanW | that sounds about right, we generally skip the parent anim group when talking about keys |
| 21:45.19 | TheDanW | since its not something you could animate |
| 21:45.36 | TheDanW | and doesn't have children that could be animated |
| 22:23.19 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: I'm good friends with a number of the employees here in Sydney |
| 22:23.35 | Wobin | how are they terrible to work for? |
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| 23:02.11 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: Other way around. I have no idea how working for them is. I just know that admining their software is a nightmare. |
| 23:09.27 | Wobin | which is why we need good people in there fixing it up! |
| 23:18.46 | Thunder_Child | Isn't he just a documentation writer? |
| 23:20.25 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: Anyway, their workplace culture is pretty good here, and I assume in the US as well. It's been rated the 3rd best place to work for in Australia |
| 23:20.55 | Thunder_Child | Fair enough. |
| 23:20.56 | Wobin | And I'd be suggesting him a good place to work, rather than judging on the product they made |