| 00:00.30 | foxlit | that's more or less the plan, though. |
| 00:01.11 | Simca | seems uncool for people who like to watch things change |
| 00:01.17 | Simca | but it's your site, so w/e |
| 00:02.24 | Simca | i've already been asked by two different authors for alternative places to go to see the changes |
| 00:02.28 | Simca | lol |
| 00:25.49 | foxlit | Simca: I imagine the novelty of seeing changes you can't interact with will soon wear off, but now I wonder what I did for 7.0. |
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| 09:11.53 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i like seeing the evolution of the changes |
| 09:12.03 | nevcairiel | didnt you basically automate that anyway |
| 09:15.04 | nevcairiel | and I don't need to interact with them to get a grasp of whats changing and possibly give feedback early in hopes of it still being changed/fixed, if needed |
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| 09:29.47 | AcidWeb | WA question. There is some way to get number of auto-clones currently running in dynamic group? |
| 09:38.43 | VIad | I wonder if there is any way of auras to know their group, would be useful to store stuff in the group aura_env sometimes |
| 09:40.39 | VIad | WeakAuras.clones[aura_env.id] |
| 09:40.46 | VIad | might dump a table with the clones :p |
| 09:41.09 | VIad | based on how WeakAuras.GetRegion() is coded |
| 09:44.40 | AcidWeb | That might be the answer. |
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| 10:18.39 | AcidWeb | Yeah you need count how much records there have toShow = true |
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| 11:30.15 | VIad | I wonder if one can programatically spawn a cloned aura and despawn it on demand, if you setup custom triggers and such |
| 11:34.05 | VIad | it would be cool if the aura could copy itself, so the user can customize it using the GUI but that the trigger would then copy paste it, clone it, and put it on those places it needs to be visible |
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| 12:42.01 | Varyak | do death knight voices affect fps? |
| 12:44.54 | Gnarfoz | they might, that's why the notice is there |
| 12:45.12 | Gnarfoz | (sound options 'death knight voices' checkbox tooltip, I think) |
| 12:46.31 | nevcairiel | on potatoes, everything affects fps |
| 12:46.37 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 12:46.46 | Gnarfoz | still wondering what the "reduce input lag" option actually does |
| 12:46.52 | Gnarfoz | to have such a strong warning |
| 12:47.03 | Gnarfoz | does it turn off hardware cursor or something? |
| 12:47.04 | nevcairiel | that actually affects performance |
| 12:47.17 | Gnarfoz | like you said: everything does |
| 12:47.28 | nevcairiel | well noticeably! |
| 12:48.15 | nevcairiel | i once knew what it did, forgot tho |
| 13:13.00 | znf | what do you mean, Stanzilla? |
| 13:13.13 | znf | You don't like 5 NPCs talking in the same time in ToS after you kill the first boss? |
| 13:13.31 | Stanzilla | pretty much |
| 13:13.51 | znf | (I'm assuming the issue is present in Antorus, too) |
| 13:14.27 | Stanzilla | everywhere |
| 13:14.30 | Stanzilla | even in open world |
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| 14:04.08 | VIad | when it says affects performance, usually means CPU :p |
| 14:04.19 | VIad | at least the sound options are cpu related afaik |
| 14:04.30 | VIad | distance + reverb + DK effects stuff |
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| 17:20.11 | VIad | nevcairiel: no, it seems aura_env is re-assigned each time the weakaura loads. so if I go edit the script and save it reloads it. |
| 17:20.32 | VIad | if I then use a aura_env.texturePool table and putt in stuff, the ref will be lost :( |
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| 17:51.21 | p3lim | did they remove all skill requirements for disenchanting? :s |
| 18:04.24 | ls- | probably |
| 18:04.47 | ls- | it's the trend they've been following since WoD |
| 18:17.44 | p3lim | I'm gonna assume they did, looked through 10 pages on the auction house with disenchanting active and every item for any (item)level was flagged as disenchantable |
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| 19:16.59 | foxlit | nevcairiel: didnt you basically automate that anyway << mostly. It's shaky around multiple heads, so adding beta probably means removing ptr. |
| 19:17.38 | nevcairiel | i doubt ptr is going to move much anymore |
| 19:18.06 | Thunder_Child | Besides, sounds like a challenge to do all 3. |
| 19:18.12 | Gnarfoz | what he said |
| 19:21.17 | foxlit | Developer time is sadly finite, and there are more useful challenges around. |
| 19:21.33 | Thunder_Child | That will help as many people? |
| 19:22.19 | foxlit | As nev pointed out, the situation where both PTR and beta are meaningful doesn't really occur that often (if at all) |
| 19:24.27 | foxlit | Other competing things include diffing to versions other than the immediate predecessor ("what changed on PTR since Live, or from 7.1 to 7.3") |
| 19:26.08 | foxlit | Normalizing the handling of locale overlays would also be nice - you can view those at the moment, but it doesn't let you diff them or even tell you when they changed. |
| 19:27.28 | foxlit | And undoing the 7.3 client mangling would be kind of nice, since that'd let helix pull api data automatically. |
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| 21:13.21 | Chipzz | sighs at the low-level dungeon revamp |
| 21:13.39 | Chipzz | getting the same shitty dungeon over and over and over and over and over and over and over again :( |
| 21:14.11 | Chipzz | liked it a lot better when dungeons fell out of level range |
| 21:14.22 | Chipzz | so you simply couldn't be put in them anymore |
| 21:14.50 | Chipzz | right now it feels like I'm going to do 1 dungeon 1-60, being the shittiest of all, Wailing Caverns |
| 21:16.19 | Chipzz | right now I'm resorting to not running randoms anymore but desperately going for specifics :( |
| 21:16.47 | Chipzz | the quest XP probably outweighs the lack of XP from random |
| 21:17.42 | Chipzz | TheDanW: please consider putting an upper level limit on low-level dungeons again |
| 21:18.12 | ls- | he's a UI dev... |
| 21:18.18 | Chipzz | this is NOT a good or fun experience :( |
| 21:18.30 | ls- | don't do dungs, just quest |
| 21:18.38 | ls- | dungs don't give much xp anyway |
| 21:18.40 | Chipzz | I hate questing qith a passion |
| 21:18.53 | Chipzz | I never quest beyond level 15. ever |
| 21:19.10 | ls- | I do so too, that's why I boost my chars if I need a new one |
| 21:19.17 | Chipzz | (for leveling to (semi-max level that is; I obviously do end-game zones etc) |
| 21:19.33 | Chipzz | it used to be a fun experience |
| 21:19.37 | ls- | well, atm questing is the most efficient way of levelling |
| 21:19.42 | Chipzz | I don't mind spamming dungeons, I enjoy it |
| 21:19.58 | Chipzz | I do NOT enjoy getting the same shitdungeon 6 times in a row because of fucking lowbies |
| 21:20.04 | ls- | levelling was always garbage, so idc |
| 21:20.37 | Chipzz | I've seen lvl 27s being put in the same group as lvl 19 |
| 21:20.48 | ls- | duh :p |
| 21:21.25 | Chipzz | I can see this being ok to solve an urgent queueing problem on *exception* basis |
| 21:21.36 | Chipzz | like, say, this happens 2 or 3 times in your 1-60 experience |
| 21:21.43 | Chipzz | that would be fine with me |
| 21:21.54 | Simca | they said in Q&A they try to bias people towards higher level dungeons |
| 21:22.02 | Chipzz | not working |
| 21:22.02 | Simca | but can't you force queue the proper ones |
| 21:22.15 | Simca | you only give up a little bonus xp |
| 21:23.23 | ls- | what's the problem w/ doings dungs w/ lowbies? everything is scaled anyway |
| 21:23.34 | ls- | that's how pretty much every mmo works now |
| 21:23.42 | ls- | eso, ff14 |
| 21:23.54 | ls- | eso is a more extreme example >_> |
| 21:28.26 | TheDanW | Chipzz: i am not the correct person to give that feedback |
| 21:32.59 | Chipzz | TheDanW: forums? |
| 21:33.27 | Chipzz | ls-: the problem is missing out on the dungeon quests |
| 21:33.38 | Chipzz | ls-: and the problem is repetitiveness |
| 21:33.58 | Chipzz | no variation 15-60 is a bad experience |
| 21:35.25 | ls- | well, sadly, your preferred way of levelling is not the best one anymore, I grew up playing old school and Asian MMOs, so my preferred way of levelling is mob grinding, unfortunately, in WoW it's not viable at all, so I had to adapt |
| 21:35.30 | ls- | it's your turn now :p |
| 21:35.38 | Chipzz | FWIW |
| 21:36.15 | Chipzz | I would gladly incur a penalty, like say double queue times, if that meant getting better choices |
| 21:36.57 | Chipzz | ie have a check-box in the LFD interface "Level-appropriate players ONLY" where players would be put in a seperate queue |
| 21:37.41 | foxlit | this also causes everyone else to incur a penalty on your behalf. |
| 21:37.44 | Simca | but you can do that |
| 21:37.53 | Simca | there is an option to pick the dungeons you want to queue for |
| 21:38.27 | Chipzz | which is an XP penalty, not queue time penalty |
| 21:38.48 | Chipzz | and yeah, right now I'm doing exactly that |
| 21:39.08 | Chipzz | but I doubt it's Blizzards favorite and they want people to run random dungeons |
| 21:39.21 | Simca | XP penalty and queue time penalty is effectively similar when you consider time = XP |
| 21:39.41 | Chipzz | only if you assume that in the idle time you're questing |
| 21:39.52 | Chipzz | which isn't necessarily the case |
| 21:40.22 | Simca | i mean if you're doing nothing in the idle time then it's even more true, since the double queue time would lose you a lot of time in dungeons which is a lot of XP |
| 21:40.23 | Chipzz | I could be on IRC or working on my project in my idle time |
| 21:40.39 | Simca | true i am assuming you would playing the game in that time |
| 21:40.50 | Chipzz | sometimes I work on my professions in the idle time |
| 21:41.14 | foxlit | the random reward is what, 1/20 of your xp bar? |
| 21:41.52 | Chipzz | 5050/66880 @lvl 28 |
| 21:41.59 | Chipzz | 1/11th? |
| 21:42.55 | Chipzz | but that's kinda missing the point. random should be random, not the same dungeon over and over and over. when ppl need to start bending the queue system to their will in order to really get random, the queue system is failing IMO |
| 21:43.15 | Chipzz | it's not working as intened and not doing its job. IMO |
| 21:44.08 | Thunder_Child | Random chance does allow for that. |
| 21:44.14 | Thunder_Child | It's simply unlikely. |
| 21:44.34 | nevcairiel | It can never be fully random because there is external conditions it has to fullfill |
| 21:44.49 | Chipzz | foxlit: the random XP is supposed to be an incentive to drive people towards a certain option |
| 21:44.53 | nevcairiel | You cant go into an instance alone, for example, and it also doesn't want you waiting an excessive amount of time |
| 21:45.13 | foxlit | Chipzz: and that certain option is "groupfinder does whatever it wants to maximize overall happiness", not "perfectly random selection of dungeons I haven't done today" |
| 21:45.42 | Chipzz | getting 1 dungeon 15-60 exclusively is not my definition of "happiness" |
| 21:45.47 | Chipzz | and I doubt anyones really |
| 21:46.21 | nevcairiel | you are 28, clearly you can speak for 15-60 |
| 21:46.54 | Chipzz | foxlit: also, then why does the option to exclude one BG exist for PvP? PvP has bigger groups so even more conditions to satisfy... |
| 21:47.51 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: I've leveled a warlock 15-34 in dungeons and a mage 15-28 |
| 21:49.00 | Chipzz | rough estimate was Wailing Caverns 75% of the time on both of them |
| 21:49.10 | foxlit | that seems like a max-level affordance, since the group PvP endgame is basically "chain-run battlegrounds" |
| 21:49.24 | nevcairiel | I did like 5 instances on my lvl 30 warlock, and not once did i go to wailing caverns |
| 21:49.26 | nevcairiel | q.e.d? |
| 21:49.44 | foxlit | (I don't think the solo queue matchmaker makes much effort for PvP groups beyond just assembling X people.) |
| 21:50.17 | nevcairiel | pvp is also about winning, not just completing, in which different BGs can have an entirely different experience |
| 21:50.46 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but how is your experience relevant to queue times on Blizzard servers? |
| 21:51.08 | nevcairiel | eh? |
| 21:51.27 | nevcairiel | you complain about getting wailing caverns only, I did not get it once, so clearly its not a constant problem |
| 21:52.10 | Chipzz | I'm not queueing randoms anymore because WC is the ONLY thing i get if I dare select random |
| 21:52.27 | Simca | i'm sorry and i'm gonna let you finish |
| 21:52.37 | Simca | but WAILING CAVERNS IS THE BEST DUNGEON OF ALL TIME |
| 21:52.44 | Simca | OF ALL TIME |
| 21:54.05 | Chipzz | waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much running around |
| 21:54.21 | Simca | but that's the best part |
| 21:54.29 | nevcairiel | psh do more blackfathom deeps, now thats an annoying place |
| 21:54.33 | Simca | combined with the fact that every boss is on a different elevation |
| 21:54.46 | Simca | so you'll lose half your group if they aren't paying enough attention |
| 21:55.53 | Andols_ | Lets blame guill :D |
| 21:57.56 | ls- | lol |
| 22:00.41 | foxlit | was it Fable that had a castable ability to spawn a faint trail of glowing things leading to your next objective? That might be fun to have in places with unfamiliar layouts |
| 22:01.02 | Simca | i have a friend that does that with raid markers to lead our derps from A to B |
| 22:01.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:14.14 | Chipzz | yep, I dare gamble on random (same group wanted to run again) and again, shit WC... |
| 22:14.22 | Chipzz | this time I just took the deserter debuff |
| 22:14.30 | Chipzz | fuck that shit instance |
| 22:24.37 | StephenLynx | any place with vertical layout is awful to navigate on a game that only gives you 2d maps. |
| 22:27.24 | nevcairiel | as if any human could read a 3d map, 2d maps are already beyond most people |
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| 22:33.21 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I dunno, but Wildstar's addons were capable of such things |
| 23:10.09 | Simca | cute |
| 23:10.09 | Simca | when installing WoW 8.0, it creates lowercase interface\addons\ folders |
| 23:10.09 | Simca | instead of Interface\AddOns\ |
| 23:10.09 | Simca | hmm, unless that's a weird quirk of the symlink i had in place in my interface folder |
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| 23:13.12 | ls- | 735 does the same |
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| 23:14.39 | Simca | ah ok |
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| 23:48.42 | Simca | i'm in deep stealth in the alpha with my characters named Notsimca and Rlynotsimca. nobody will ever find me. |
| 23:57.32 | ls- | heh, I start caring about alphas/betas when they enable addons |