| 00:21.04 | Simca | Chipzz: you could just do 1 quest then look at them in more detail |
| 00:21.13 | Simca | because you'd be level 2. |
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| 02:49.52 | Chipzz | Simca: level 2 still not showing stats; first stats were at lvl 3 or 4, might have skipped checking at lvl 3 |
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| 09:12.53 | ls- | ugh, wish one day people stopped asking me to include CJK fonts T_T |
| 09:17.31 | VIad | xD |
| 09:17.41 | VIad | just support SharedMediaLib and youre golden |
| 09:17.49 | VIad | no more complaints :x |
| 09:21.16 | ls- | yeah, I'm thinking about doing exactly that, I reuse Blizz fonts, but some people cry that the fonts Blizz use are too ugly and so on >_> |
| 09:21.46 | ls- | they don't realise that CJK fonts are fucking huge, like 16+ MB |
| 09:22.11 | VIad | Gethe: I have a quick q about Aurora. I am creating a Dropdown using blizz template, but not actually using it except just to match the visuals. so my q is: does Aurora have a simple API to reskin the default Dropdown? I checked the code but it all hooks default blizz stuff, didnt find a easy way to run specifics onto my widget. |
| 09:22.28 | VIad | 16 meg fonts :d better be unicode! |
| 09:22.43 | ls- | that's the point of CJK fonts, duh |
| 09:29.26 | ls- | tbf, single language Asian fonts are huge as well, 5+ MB |
| 09:29.43 | ls- | we tend to have too many characters T_T |
| 09:30.51 | VIad | I wtb a way to login all the regions with a local bnet account to easier debug languages, and to get access to the internal realm data embeded on the char transfer pages :( |
| 09:32.03 | ls- | PTR? |
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| 09:32.29 | ls- | install multiple/all locales and switch between them |
| 09:32.48 | ls- | also, if you're playing on NA realms you can use any locale |
| 09:33.23 | ls- | unlike in EU there's no locale restriction on NA realms |
| 09:33.40 | VIad | oh |
| 09:34.00 | VIad | thats fine. but the website admin contains the internal realm list. but the ptr is idd a good tip. |
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| 09:56.05 | Varyak | there are local restrictions in eu? |
| 09:56.08 | Varyak | *locale |
| 09:58.09 | ls- | yeah |
| 09:58.47 | ls- | you can use Russian locale on English realms, you won't even be able to log in |
| 09:58.59 | ls- | can't* |
| 09:59.20 | ls- | and so on |
| 10:03.23 | VIad | hunter pets inherit the client locale name for whatever your pet is, like Lobo for spanish Wolf :P |
| 10:03.35 | VIad | makes sense though |
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| 13:20.34 | VIad | is there a way to avoid huge performance loss when asking the client about addon memory usage, if the addon uses 50mb+ often has huge lag spikes while the client tries to map memory usage :P |
| 13:23.24 | VIad | UpdateAddOnMemoryUsage() can have huge performance impact if you run large enough addons in memory |
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| 14:18.30 | Resike | i don't have issues with that |
| 14:19.10 | Resike | there is a small bump but definately not a huge one and i don't seem to lose a single digit of fps neither |
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| 14:51.46 | Thunder_Child_ | The relatvie specs of the machines would be a factor as well. |
| 15:03.44 | VIad | Resike: get raider.io addon and load ally and horde databases, each 50mb :D |
| 15:04.38 | Thunder_Child_ | s/relative/relative/ |
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| 15:43.05 | VIad | nevcairiel: do you think I can make the dropdown stop from hiding when I leave it without tainting unit dropdowns? :D |
| 15:43.09 | VIad | (and breaking them) |
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| 15:43.57 | VIad | it's a pesky DropDownList1.showTimer that counts down from 2 when you leave the frame with the mouse |
| 15:45.25 | VIad | I could .isCounting = false but I bet if I do that all hell will break lose |
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| 16:05.41 | Resike | i have allthethings which is 120MB |
| 16:06.49 | Resike | what i've noticed that cpu profiler addons create the same hickup on each update with many addons loaded since this expanison |
| 16:07.04 | Resike | which was no issue in wod |
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| 18:23.35 | Resike | even hovering the game menu microbutton makes this microlags with many addons and/or addons with more memory loaded |
| 18:36.41 | Funkeh` | Yes, UpdateAddOnMemoryUsage() can take a long time with many addons, I dynamically time it and disable it in combat if it takes > 100ms out of combat, because it triggered script too long |
| 18:36.47 | Funkeh` | maybe TheDanW fixed that though |
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| 19:08.02 | TheDanW | there's not really an easy way to make it faster, it has to crawl the entire Lua object allocation graph and calculate the size of each node by taint |
| 19:28.34 | Resike | the problem is with the number of addons or the size of the memory? |
| 19:29.03 | Resike | because i dinamically update usage of over 1000 functions and i see no issues there |
| 19:29.04 | Chipzz | it's with the number of lua object |
| 19:29.05 | Chipzz | s |
| 19:29.22 | Chipzz | lua functions would also be objects |
| 19:29.43 | Chipzz | although I don't know if taint applies to them |
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| 19:34.38 | Resike | im not sure how is the memory is calculated tho |
| 19:34.53 | Resike | per addon or does it really have to interate through every object and stuff |
| 19:43.48 | Chipzz | Resike: TheDanW answered your question literally... |
| 19:45.23 | TheDanW | it's technically O(N/2 * M) where N is the number of taint sources (generally 1 per addon) and M is the number of non-collected allocations (tables, closures, strings, etc) |
| 19:48.11 | Chipzz | TheDanW: if it's based on taint, you wouldn't get any useful addons for blizzard addons? |
| 19:48.45 | Chipzz | s/addons/memory info/ |
| 19:49.37 | Chipzz | TheDanW: as an aside, is there a reason BankFrame is not in addon? |
| 19:49.51 | TheDanW | you could consider anything without taint from us, the way it works currently is if an addon taints our code and then we allocate memory it gets attributed to that addon |
| 19:50.42 | TheDanW | BankFrame was written before addons were a concept |
| 19:51.04 | Chipzz | ok, but why wasn't it moved to an addon later? |
| 19:51.17 | Chipzz | less files to load -> faster loading times? |
| 19:51.40 | TheDanW | because we don't have infinite time ;p |
| 19:51.54 | Chipzz | fair enough :) |
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| 19:52.19 | Chipzz | but GuildBank is an add-on; were guildbanks introduced that much later? |
| 19:52.53 | Chipzz | my imac with non-ssd has very long loading times |
| 19:52.59 | TheDanW | yeah, end of bc iirc |
| 19:53.08 | Chipzz | talking 40s - 1min staring at a loading screen range :P |
| 19:55.12 | Simca | some of that is UI but a lot of it isn't |
| 19:55.45 | Chipzz | yeah 3D models and textures will also be involved I guess |
| 19:55.56 | Simca | pulling in the assets for the map and loading at least the non-m2 objects into memory is the majority of the time spent for that i think |
| 19:56.19 | Simca | (the m2 objects can pop-in if your computer is slow; they allow that to save time on loading screens) |
| 19:56.23 | Chipzz | would disabling the new models help? |
| 19:56.39 | Simca | probably not for the reason i mentioned, but i'm not 100% sure |
| 19:57.06 | Chipzz | so nothing I can do about that other than "buy an SSD"? :P |
| 19:57.31 | Resike | y u buy a computer without it in the first place |
| 19:57.34 | Simca | unfortunately, that's probably accurate |
| 19:57.57 | Chipzz | Resike: old HD of that computer died, low on cash and had to get cheap replacement to revive it |
| 19:58.27 | Simca | i wonder how much load times would be improved if they allowed WMOs to 'pop in' as well |
| 19:58.52 | Simca | it would look awful for the first few seconds, especially in dalaran, where you'd be literally standing on nothing |
| 19:59.35 | Simca | but Dalaran and other massive WMOs (Stormwind, Ironforge, Orgrimmar) probably account for a huge part of the issue. |
| 19:59.49 | Resike | they have that stuff when you load into a new zone then the textures won't get loaded instantly with full resoultion now |
| 20:00.12 | Resike | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.01 | Resike | or it could be that it's beeing rendered at that time im not sure but i only saw in when zoning to the vindicar ship |
| 20:07.55 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: is it not a bit dumb that when a large cross-server group is disbanding it continually throws people onto different servers |
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| 20:10.47 | TheDanW | doesn't sound related to the UI |
| 20:11.00 | Funkeh` | it isn't |
| 20:11.40 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 20:11.48 | Seerah | hihi |
| 20:13.43 | Fisker | Are you laughing at me? |
| 20:14.10 | Fisker | That's a Blizzconning |
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| 20:46.07 | zenzelezz | Fiskers |
| 20:56.39 | Thunder_Child | Not in channel, please. |
| 21:00.45 | Varyak | Hm would love to know which flight paths im missing |
| 21:01.39 | zenzelezz | Winterspring to Silithus |
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| 21:28.35 | StephenLynx | new patch, apparently |
| 21:30.05 | StephenLynx | it sucks that the launcher is kinda bugged on wine |
| 21:30.20 | StephenLynx | I have to rely on nethogs to see if it finished downloading |
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| 22:17.58 | Gethe | VIad: I am in the middle of a fairly extensive rewrite of Aurora that centers around skinning functions for specific templates. As such you could use Aurora.Skin.UIDropDownMenuTemplate(frame) to skin a frame using that template and overall it would do "the right thing". |
| 22:18.16 | VIad | yeah exactly :d |
| 22:18.24 | VIad | to me it sounds thats the best way to go about it |
| 22:18.35 | VIad | so you also can re-use it on non-standard frames using blizz templates |
| 22:18.57 | Gethe | i am in the process of making some doc on the github wiki https://github.com/Haleth/Aurora/wiki |
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| 23:02.36 | zork-tdmog | Has anyone ever done a mouseover unitframe at the top of the screen like in ARPGs and use nameplates only for the rest? |
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| 23:15.21 | zork-tdmog | https://imgur.com/a/qH2zv hmm. yeah mouseover unitframes is no problem. |