| 00:00.23 | ThiefMaster | wait, they don't fix issues like this on weekends?! |
| 00:00.23 | StephenLynx | will the 110 boost from bfa stack with the 100 boost from legion? |
| 00:00.30 | StephenLynx | is not that. |
| 00:00.41 | StephenLynx | is that on weekends you'd lose more play time |
| 00:00.51 | ThiefMaster | haven't played from '12 until end of last year but i don't remember any extended downtimes back then |
| 00:00.53 | ThiefMaster | ah true :D |
| 00:01.13 | nebula | you'll have both, yes |
| 00:01.17 | nebula | (boosts) |
| 00:02.11 | ThiefMaster | and damn, i used a 100 boost just a day ago.. should have waited and boosted my alt straight to 110 today ;x |
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| 00:06.38 | tz | new build... still blank character select |
| 00:06.40 | tz | yay |
| 00:06.47 | tz | guess I don't have work distractions |
| 00:09.37 | nebula | i sat at the empty char select screen for ~13min and it loaded |
| 00:10.55 | Osiris_49 | ~30sec wait, just loaded up for me, US |
| 00:19.30 | StephenLynx | that |
| 00:22.14 | tz | I let it sit, just checked, characters present on character select, so could've taken 10 mins |
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| 00:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | <ThiefMaster> and damn, i used a 100 boost just a day ago.. should have waited and boosted my alt straight to 110 today ;x |
| 00:57.13 | Mr_Rabies | took me like 4 hours played to get to 110 from 100, and i wasted some time idling in dal and stuff |
| 00:57.23 | Mr_Rabies | invasions with heirlooms are pretty baller |
| 01:00.46 | Chipzz | Semlar: what new expansion? BfA obviously is the long awaited WoW 2.0! ;P |
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| 01:49.26 | Ressy | soooo... API changes with today's patch? Pet Journal is different. |
| 01:51.11 | Ressy | Damnit. Nm. Some random addon installed. o.O |
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| 04:07.44 | Fisker | You Torhal |
| 04:07.56 | Torhal | You Fisker |
| 04:08.00 | Torhal | Me hungry! |
| 04:08.03 | Fisker | No you |
| 04:08.17 | Fisker | What did you do to Cairenn |
| 04:08.36 | Torhal | I told her she could take a break because you had this covered. |
| 04:08.43 | Iriel | feeds Fisker some chicken chili and rice |
| 04:08.52 | Fisker | I don't have anything covered D: |
| 04:08.57 | Torhal | Lewd. |
| 04:09.19 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:10.14 | Fisker | I really think you should feed me pixel 2 Iriel |
| 04:10.57 | Iriel | I only have Pixel 2 XL |
| 04:11.22 | Fisker | That's okay |
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| 05:28.32 | Osiris_49 | Is there a discord counter-part to this channel (wondering based on the user or bot in here WoWUIDevDiscord) |
| 06:00.15 | Simca | >crazy bugs in raid tonight |
| 06:00.15 | Simca | >ret paladin - every time he uses his artifact ability, instead of casting he levels his archaeology |
| 06:00.16 | Simca | >by 1 pt |
| 06:00.22 | Simca | this sounds -amazing- |
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| 08:20.08 | AcidWeb | hmm they change m+ affix schedule? |
| 08:21.09 | AcidWeb | or affix id? Because this week combination - 5, 3, 9 is not any list i have. |
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| 08:48.23 | VIad | they changed the necrotic with volcanic |
| 08:48.27 | VIad | not sure why :P |
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| 09:46.42 | modernist | not sure why i decided to use the character boost whilst the servers are coughing and wheezing |
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| 10:22.15 | ls- | lel |
| 10:23.19 | ls- | I play DK so I can't use any allied race, so... |
| 10:23.30 | ls- | #feelsbadman |
| 10:28.52 | Simca | the theory is that zandalari and dark iron will be able to be DKs |
| 10:29.05 | Simca | it doesn't make sense for any of these four but it makes sense for those two |
| 10:31.48 | ls- | well, lorewise they could also add Nightborne and HM cows, but they'd have to change starting experience for DKs because it'd be new Bolvar and EB raising new gen DKs and not Arthas & Co |
| 10:32.16 | ls- | and I don't think that Blizz want to let people skip 35 levels by rolling a DK |
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| 12:58.37 | VIad | gnome hunters should get a class mount ability to mount your pet since you are so tiny |
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| 13:40.35 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 13:40.41 | StephenLynx | squirrel mount |
| 13:40.42 | StephenLynx | :^) |
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| 14:48.09 | VIad | I really liked the steelseries siberia v2 headsets but they are dying out |
| 14:48.29 | VIad | I can't find stores selling them anymore, the few siberia v2 or like 300 series are too expensive :/ |
| 14:48.57 | VIad | I dont like changing brand and model, the once I use atm are nice. other headsets usually have been worse audio quality wise. |
| 14:49.25 | StephenLynx | have you considered quality headphones with a passable separate mic? |
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| 14:49.37 | StephenLynx | headsets are usually overpriced for what you get. |
| 14:49.42 | VIad | I've tried some, been worse experiences :( |
| 14:49.50 | StephenLynx | f |
| 15:02.31 | VIad | I can't use amazon, it's shit |
| 15:02.39 | VIad | I say "condition: new" then it sends me to some used shit |
| 15:02.42 | VIad | wtf man |
| 15:03.23 | Funkeh` | wtf kind of worse experience can you have buying a proper headset and mic lol |
| 15:03.51 | Funkeh` | headphones* |
| 15:06.09 | Simca | https://gfycat.com/MarvelousThisAustraliankelpie here's that bug i mentioned last night |
| 15:06.21 | Simca | psure it's already fixed |
| 15:06.30 | Simca | but it was so glorious |
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| 15:10.31 | StephenLynx | i dont get it |
| 15:10.56 | StephenLynx | man, those are some sweet ass frames |
| 15:11.09 | StephenLynx | im getting tempted into buying a new rig just to play wow with more than 30 fps |
| 15:11.48 | Funkeh` | how could anyone play a game at 30fps, how do your eyes not hurt |
| 15:11.57 | StephenLynx | ikr |
| 15:12.02 | StephenLynx | but I already got the machine |
| 15:12.14 | StephenLynx | its 5 years old at this point I guess |
| 15:12.17 | StephenLynx | maybe 7 |
| 15:12.31 | StephenLynx | plus its running wow from wine, that probably doesn't help either |
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| 15:19.58 | StephenLynx | plus, 30 is the average |
| 15:20.12 | StephenLynx | I often go into the 20's or 10's |
| 15:20.23 | StephenLynx | dalaran is a fucking nightmare for the first few seconds |
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| 17:06.26 | modernist | wow at 30fps... is good |
| 17:06.45 | modernist | i play on a 2011 mac air so i feel your pain |
| 17:11.02 | StephenLynx | ikr |
| 17:11.10 | StephenLynx | wow at 30 is quite passable |
| 17:11.24 | StephenLynx | is not exquisite like 60 |
| 17:11.35 | StephenLynx | that works wonders with the cartoon art style |
| 17:11.45 | StephenLynx | and new animations |
| 17:12.05 | StephenLynx | but its isn't jarring like a photo realistic game would be at that fps |
| 17:12.44 | StephenLynx | wtb native linux port |
| 17:12.45 | StephenLynx | :| |
| 17:15.07 | Chipzz | StephenLynx: with the discontinuation of opengl support that's no longer in the cards I guess |
| 17:15.20 | StephenLynx | ikr |
| 17:15.58 | Chipzz | but I don't get it... OSX + opengl... that should have been a simple recompile |
| 17:16.23 | Chipzz | unless some things were missing on linux |
| 17:16.37 | StephenLynx | i honestly dont know |
| 17:16.50 | StephenLynx | wow graphics engine doesn't even seem to use that many features. |
| 17:16.52 | Chipzz | I hear theu had one internally at one point |
| 17:17.16 | Chipzz | well I wasn't thinking about the graphics part |
| 17:17.22 | StephenLynx | I bet they just want to streamline development and they have much more experience using dx |
| 17:17.33 | Chipzz | maybe the movie player or sth? |
| 17:17.43 | StephenLynx | i thought cut scenes were real time |
| 17:17.57 | StephenLynx | they play like fucking ass when compared to exp cinematics |
| 17:18.56 | Chipzz | cinematics then; I mean, that might use a codec only available on windows/mac due to licensing reasons? |
| 17:19.05 | Chipzz | don't know much about that |
| 17:19.51 | Chipzz | but TBH, the main reason for no Linux support is the linux ecosystem |
| 17:20.24 | Chipzz | Linux isn't exactly a stable target; changes in libc/libstdc++ |
| 17:20.36 | Chipzz | you would probably need to link statically |
| 17:20.49 | StephenLynx | you can always target a specific distro. |
| 17:20.55 | StephenLynx | and call it a day |
| 17:21.03 | StephenLynx | or static link it. |
| 17:21.11 | StephenLynx | is not that much of an issue. |
| 17:21.13 | Chipzz | that's true, but then you get complaints from users "we also want support for distro Y" |
| 17:21.39 | StephenLynx | they shafted the whole linux userbase, what is shafting a few distro's userbases? |
| 17:21.42 | Chipzz | but even static linking has its problems |
| 17:21.59 | StephenLynx | plus, if you don't run a main-stream distro like ubuntu, you are probably savy enough to get it to work on your distro. |
| 17:22.04 | Chipzz | even if you do link everything statically, libnss (I think) still gets loaded dynamicaly |
| 17:23.04 | Chipzz | well, if you go down that path, it's only "partially" supported (on selected platforms) |
| 17:25.45 | Chipzz | even the OSX port has its glitches sometimes (like yesterdays crasher) |
| 17:25.56 | StephenLynx | jesus |
| 17:26.00 | StephenLynx | it was crashing on OSX? |
| 17:26.18 | Chipzz | yes, on the char selection screen |
| 17:26.25 | StephenLynx | f |
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| 17:27.27 | Chipzz | so if the OSX port even doesn't get tested properly, imagine what supporting a 3rd platform would mean in terms of testing |
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| 17:51.37 | Simca | there's been several ptr builds where the OSX client didn't even exist |
| 17:51.47 | Simca | like it failed to compile when deployed |
| 17:52.10 | StephenLynx | f |
| 17:52.21 | StephenLynx | blizz should just release the client source code tbh |
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| 19:21.17 | Munk | Does anyone have a cvar diff for 8.0? |
| 19:35.29 | Chipzz | StephenLynx: seriously? that would enable cheatig on a massive scale... |
| 19:36.06 | StephenLynx | then its security by obscurity. |
| 19:36.12 | StephenLynx | which is not security. |
| 19:37.35 | Chipzz | no it's not. you could take the source code and strip out all protection measures |
| 19:37.41 | StephenLynx | wait |
| 19:37.50 | StephenLynx | but protection measures should be on the server. |
| 19:37.50 | Chipzz | like ignore secure and pretend everything is secure |
| 19:37.55 | Chipzz | remove combat restrictions |
| 19:38.52 | Chipzz | my emulator for example completely ignores secure and combat restrictions |
| 19:39.35 | Chipzz | not that there's any 3D rendering allowing you to actually play or get in combat, or even a networking connection... :P |
| 19:39.35 | StephenLynx | if you rely on the client to prevent cheating, people can just tamper with the client or memory or anything else on their side. |
| 19:40.22 | nebula | if you rely on the server for EVERYTHING then you have massive server requirements or lag |
| 19:40.24 | Chipzz | TBH removing secure would be pretty easy if you had the source code, but not easy to patch |
| 19:40.47 | StephenLynx | I can get that when you talk about something like a fps |
| 19:40.55 | StephenLynx | where even knowing where people are is a cheat |
| 19:41.10 | StephenLynx | but what is there in a mmo like wow? |
| 19:41.11 | Chipzz | you don't get it at all |
| 19:41.29 | StephenLynx | ok, tell me. |
| 19:41.32 | Chipzz | removing secure and combat restrictions would for example enable Ovale to do your rotation automatically |
| 19:41.46 | Chipzz | right now ovale just presents you with a picture of the spell you need to cast next |
| 19:41.57 | StephenLynx | so, a bot? |
| 19:42.05 | Chipzz | would be pretty easy to modify to actually cast the spell instead |
| 19:42.18 | StephenLynx | which is doable by tampering with the packages |
| 19:42.29 | Chipzz | except combat restrictions so doesn't work with the blizz client (by design) |
| 19:42.33 | StephenLynx | or could use hardware. |
| 19:42.41 | StephenLynx | what if you use keyboard bindings |
| 19:42.47 | StephenLynx | and instead of giving the command to the client |
| 19:42.52 | StephenLynx | you give to the keyboard |
| 19:43.01 | Chipzz | remove combat restrictions and you suddenly have a raid team that only needs to focus on tactics instead of on rotation |
| 19:43.07 | Chipzz | huge advantage in PvE race |
| 19:44.01 | StephenLynx | the scenario I proposed is already an issue on fighting games. |
| 19:44.12 | StephenLynx | people use hardware macros to input combos. |
| 19:44.29 | StephenLynx | so the client already can give little protection. |
| 19:44.54 | Chipzz | uhm no |
| 19:45.02 | Chipzz | hardware macros are nothing at all like what I'm saying |
| 19:45.12 | StephenLynx | you press buttons. |
| 19:45.13 | Chipzz | hardware macros are dumb and do not take your rotation into account at all |
| 19:45.15 | Munk | Those are just dumb instructions though. They don't account for the situation you're in, buffs on you and what you should do next. |
| 19:45.23 | Chipzz | what Munk said |
| 19:45.30 | Chipzz | StephenLynx: sorry, you are very mistaken |
| 19:45.43 | Chipzz | it's a really important nuance |
| 19:45.45 | StephenLynx | does wow protection checks for other software running on the system? |
| 19:46.20 | Chipzz | StephenLynx: the problem is you would need to get information out of the wow client to the local program running and feedig wow keyboard input |
| 19:46.40 | Chipzz | and wow doesn't allow that in realtime; savedvariables only get updated on logout |
| 19:46.57 | StephenLynx | im not talking about addons. |
| 19:47.07 | Chipzz | neither am I |
| 19:47.10 | StephenLynx | im talking about software running on the system, checking for that outside wow |
| 19:47.16 | StephenLynx | and feeding input |
| 19:47.22 | Chipzz | that's also what I'm talking about, read again |
| 19:47.25 | Chipzz | 20:46 < Chipzz> StephenLynx: the problem is you would need to get information out of the wow client to the local program running and feedig wow keyboard input |
| 19:47.33 | StephenLynx | and thats already possible. |
| 19:47.43 | StephenLynx | unless wow checks for other processes. |
| 19:47.48 | nebula | it does |
| 19:47.50 | StephenLynx | ok. |
| 19:48.01 | Munk | They might, but I have substantial anecdotal evidence that they're looking for specific programs in that case. |
| 19:48.22 | Chipzz | the only option you have is setting a specific pixel to a specific color and directly reading the framebuffer |
| 19:48.25 | StephenLynx | you can still use a camera and a different machine to feed input. |
| 19:48.44 | Chipzz | and I'm not sure if there's any protection against that |
| 19:48.53 | StephenLynx | exactly. |
| 19:49.02 | StephenLynx | and is not that hard if your process doesn't get caught. |
| 19:49.16 | Chipzz | yes, but a camera needs much more than one pixel because of precision, you would need a larger square that would be intrusive in your game play |
| 19:49.38 | StephenLynx | if you are running a bot, you can spare a 8x8 square tbh |
| 19:49.39 | Munk | What's the point of this discussion btw? :p |
| 19:49.55 | Chipzz | Munk: StephenLynx arguing that blizzard should opensource the wow client |
| 19:50.12 | StephenLynx | UE4 did it tbh |
| 19:50.27 | StephenLynx | UT4* |
| 19:50.53 | StephenLynx | or they could at least have a separate closed anti-cheat software |
| 19:51.23 | StephenLynx | that would get more eyes on the larger part |
| 19:51.36 | StephenLynx | and still keep the obscure necessary parts obscure |
| 19:52.08 | Simca | it's a pointless argument because pigs would fly before Blizzard would opensource a game |
| 19:52.59 | Simca | especially considering they literally just went the opposite direction |
| 19:53.08 | Simca | and obfuscated the game binary in 7.3.0 |
| 19:53.12 | StephenLynx | yeah |
| 19:53.13 | StephenLynx | thats |
| 19:53.15 | Munk | Seems like a dumb move from a purely economic standpoint. |
| 19:53.52 | Simca | i heard since the obfuscation though they've been way more harsh to botters |
| 19:53.58 | Simca | apparently they're doing hardware bans |
| 19:54.18 | Chipzz | Munk: that I disagree on. assuming an open source client without cheating would be possible, you would still need a subscription to play |
| 19:54.44 | Chipzz | "hardware bans"? |
| 19:55.23 | Simca | nobody is sure exactly how it works |
| 19:55.45 | Simca | but they use a combination of information about the system and possibly things like ip or user |
| 19:55.56 | Simca | and any copy of WoW played from that pc is banned |
| 19:56.03 | Munk | Good riddance, honestly. |
| 19:56.38 | Simca | it got at least one bot company to close its doors purely because combating anti-cheat on an obfuscated client when your customers are at risk of hardware bans is ridiculous |
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| 22:17.02 | TheDanW | Funkeh`, others: a hotfix went out to fix addon sounds |
| 22:19.17 | Simca | praise the sun |
| 22:22.19 | Thunder_Child | I must be in a very small percent of people that don't play with any ingame sounds. |
| 22:22.36 | Thunder_Child | I assume the same percent of people that don't like chocolate. |
| 22:41.24 | Gnarfoz | TheDanW: a special case for addons? or were all the sound channels just returned to their proper order |
| 22:47.11 | TheDanW | neither really, it's a bit more complicated |
| 22:55.29 | nebula | neat |
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| 22:58.57 | Resike | TheDanW: What about the non-addon related zound issues? My Warbear is still mute. |
| 23:00.21 | Simca | that might be a data problem |
| 23:00.44 | TheDanW | this fixed sound clipping, if there's never any sound then it's probably something else |
| 23:01.08 | Resike | the sound is there is just very quiet |
| 23:01.28 | Resike | i checked the related ogg file and the file seems to be okay |
| 23:02.53 | Resike | I'm talking about the Amani Warbear's mountspecial sound, but there could be issues with more sfx sound like this. |
| 23:16.30 | Resike | apparently every bears special sound is affected that is using vanilla sounds |
| 23:17.14 | Gnarfoz | well, report it as a bug, then =) |
| 23:17.46 | Resike | i did but i hope for a fix faster then 10.0 |
| 23:23.02 | nebula | hotfix: bear mounts removed from the gear |
| 23:23.07 | nebula | game* even |
| 23:35.54 | Gnarfoz | hotter fix: Resike removed from the game |
| 23:36.26 | Simca | i'll look at soundkits for ya just in case they screwed something up |
| 23:40.12 | Simca | to make sure i'm doing this right, you're sure they broke it in 7.3.5, right Resike? |
| 23:44.49 | Simca | i don't see any data changes between 7.3.0 and 7.3.5 for those sounds (tracking backwards from the mount spell all the way to the files used for sounds) |
| 23:46.17 | zork-tdmog | Can finally set up auras I want to track, still not finished though https://imgur.com/a/kCOVx |
| 23:58.08 | VIad | chillwall ;) |