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| 00:11.30 | Semlar | is it possible to know what traits can be upgraded for a relic at the netherlight crucible without actually putting it in your weapon first |
| 00:15.39 | Semlar | for example, i have a relic that adds a fairly useless trait, but is a higher item level than the one i'm using, but i also have no idea what bonuses it might have at the crucible |
| 00:15.57 | Semlar | which might be better than ones my current relic has |
| 00:16.15 | Semlar | are they randomly generated after you equip it? |
| 00:19.16 | Simca | yes, there is a 'preview relic' slot on the crucible |
| 00:19.22 | Simca | you can place it in there |
| 00:19.42 | Simca | and based on one spec you can know what the equivalents are for the other specs, too |
| 00:20.03 | Simca | but you can't find out before you actually put it in your weapon in the crucible or preview it in the crucible |
| 00:20.10 | Simca | if that was your question |
| 00:26.58 | fewyn | can anyone help me identify this keyboard layout? i'm guessing french of some kind but I don't know https://i.imgur.com/0177aPl.jpg |
| 00:28.58 | Semlar | thanks simca |
| 00:30.46 | nebula | fewyn: it is french, caps lock is "verrouillage des majuscules" or verr ma |
| 00:31.19 | fewyn | it was a free keyboard and i needed a new one |
| 00:31.42 | fewyn | let's see if i can add it properly to windows now |
| 00:31.49 | nebula | most french keyboards i've seen are azerty |
| 00:32.03 | Semlar | it's going to be hard to use sideways like that |
| 00:32.20 | fewyn | hrm yeah i am seeing that |
| 00:32.31 | fewyn | i don't see a qwerty french option in windows |
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| 00:52.58 | ccox | When they change the DE yield tables overnight, I really gotta suspect that someone at Blizzard is messing with me⦠|
| 00:57.49 | ls- | well, patch happened overnight :p |
| 01:12.47 | Thunder_Child | Interesting, that keyboard has lower and uppercase mu. |
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| 01:20.43 | ccox | ~botsnack |
| 01:20.43 | purl | thanks, ccox |
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| 01:41.54 | Simca | TheDanW: this exploit is already getting public attention (there's youtube videos about it now), but using Magic Pet Mirror on Sister of Temptation is a serious problem. you can't be targeted by enemy players |
| 01:53.53 | TheDanW | Simca: thanks |
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| 02:14.59 | Simca | there's other pets too apparently; Dragon Kite for one |
| 02:15.17 | Simca | any pet that shows up as a cube enables it |
| 02:24.42 | znf | what are you exploiting now, Simca ? |
| 02:26.34 | Thunder_Child | All the things. |
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| 02:36.56 | Mr_Rabies | increasing to 128 sound channels did not seem to help |
| 02:37.43 | Funkeh` | did you verify it was set with GetCVar |
| 02:39.05 | Mr_Rabies | uhh i used semlar's voodoo magic to set it, but no |
| 02:41.50 | Funkeh` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.57 | Semlar | you can set most cvars to completely invalid values so it won't matter |
| 02:44.47 | Semlar | it probably falls back to the default |
| 02:45.43 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.46 | Mr_Rabies | i meant i used advancedinterfaceoptions because i didn't know what the cvar was called, but it has a lookup :D |
| 02:45.58 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: does setting it above 64 actually take effect? |
| 02:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | [1]="128" |
| 02:46.45 | Funkeh` | Well if it does take effect and it didn't resolve the problem, tough luck, hope dan finds the issue :p |
| 02:46.57 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure if you put in a value that the game changes after you input it, it will update what it's displaying in the cvar browser |
| 02:47.34 | Semlar | it's supposed to, anyway |
| 02:48.49 | Mr_Rabies | the game really likes turning off my self combat text |
| 02:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | no clue why |
| 02:49.07 | Mr_Rabies | your little tracker dealio says it's framexml doing it |
| 02:49.10 | Kinesia | @TheDanW Hi Dan, with the "get all" scan for the AH the call is now returning in 0 seconds with 0 data, but there doesn't seem to be an api change or anything. Is there something server side going on? |
| 02:57.06 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, did the dbm overwatch sounds get moved elsewhere or removed? |
| 02:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | voices |
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| 04:03.42 | Semlar | does anyone have any idea if the legendary pants that periodically heals you would proc this trait http://www.wowhead.com/spell=253070/secure-in-the-light#comments |
| 04:04.08 | Semlar | "Your healing spells and abilities have a chance to grant Holy Bulwark, absorbing 135000 damage over 10 sec." |
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| 05:20.23 | nebula | probably? |
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| 08:35.22 | VIad | some suggested -nosound launch parameter fixed issues with FPS drops but dunno if that flag actually does something as they said they still heard some sounds :P lol |
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| 13:44.19 | VIad | reddit giving blizz smack about the lazy release of the patch with all its bugs. people seem to claim hundreds of PTR reports that were ignored and the changes still went live. |
| 13:50.26 | ls- | well, there indeed were reports on PTR forums about few issues that made it to live realms, it happens pretty much every patch though |
| 13:52.17 | VIad | the loot thing is interesting. the way drops work is tied to item level and mob level |
| 13:52.40 | VIad | with the dynamic scaling suddenly "world drops" that only dropped of specific level ranged mobs suddenly now drop in more places :D |
| 13:53.12 | VIad | I wonder how scaling affected drops based on that very old drop system for "world drops" |
| 14:04.35 | VIad | some of these #metoo stories seem ridiculus to me, jesus |
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| 14:22.32 | Constie | I hope you're not just randomly bringing up in a chat room about WoW UI development that you think stories about sexual assault are made up. |
| 14:28.21 | VIad | I said "some of these" |
| 14:29.42 | VIad | like always there are people that don't exactly help the original cause and just muddy the water instead of helping |
| 14:30.13 | VIad | but yeah no need to talk about it here I guess :p |
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| 17:36.55 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: no progress on sound/fps issues? Hope for it being fixing by tonight slowly fading |
| 17:37.33 | Stanzilla | patience young padawan |
| 17:37.43 | Stanzilla | don't expect too much from a small indie company |
| 17:38.05 | Funkeh` | oh dear |
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| 17:59.33 | TheDanW | Kinesia: i'll look into it, thanks |
| 18:00.36 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: we've figured out the sound thing, a hotfix will be going out soon(tm) but we have some higher priority things in the pipe first, like performance |
| 18:04.37 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: any details on what it was? |
| 18:09.11 | VIad | think they changed the sound channels numbers |
| 18:10.00 | Funkeh` | also [02:45:58] <Funkeh`> TheDanW: does setting it above 64 actually take effect? |
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| 18:15.49 | TheDanW | they weren't particularly happy to hear that addons were changing sound settings without players' consent :p |
| 18:18.36 | Funkeh` | we weren't particularly happy tom hear the constant barrage of people complaining about addon sounds missing |
| 18:19.15 | Funkeh` | maybe you should priopritize sounds played over master vs sfx drowning them out? |
| 18:20.15 | Funkeh` | anyway, does it work and if so, what's the upper max for channels |
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| 18:42.54 | Resike | but playing twitch streams in the battle net client without user consent is totally fine |
| 18:44.05 | Funkeh` | can't say i've seen them do that, it's usually an advert that someone is live |
| 18:46.22 | Resike | there is a dedicated ov leauge button for that, also if you select overwatch it autostarts a stream if there is an ov leauge event going on |
| 18:47.41 | Shockah | also if you switch back to the Games tab the stream doesn't stop |
| 18:48.09 | Resike | but hey at least they finally stoped animating shit when the window is not focued, since it was using 5-10% cpu usage in the background |
| 18:48.39 | schlumpf | That sounds more like a Qt issue than a bnet one? |
| 18:49.27 | Resike | why whats is controlling it embemmed html elements if not bnet |
| 18:50.15 | Resike | anyway i reported it weeks ago and finally it' been heard |
| 18:50.41 | Resike | back then the smart workaround was to select a game that has no animations running |
| 18:50.59 | schlumpf | Oh right, misread focused with "in background". Stopping if losing focus is obviously a bnet issue. It stopping if backgrounded sounds more like Qt/CFE. |
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| 19:01.42 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: are you worried I'll force it higher if you give me an answer? Don't worry, 64 resolves the previous issues like already stated, this was just for testing |
| 19:06.43 | StephenLynx | what api documentations would you guys recommend? |
| 19:07.00 | Gnarfoz | the nonexistent, perfect one :\ |
| 19:07.11 | StephenLynx | im disappointed in blizzard for them to not provide anything |
| 19:07.17 | Gnarfoz | wowpedia.org API pages + wowprogramming.com + reading blizzard framexml |
| 19:07.21 | StephenLynx | and leave for the community to just figure it out. |
| 19:07.34 | Gnarfoz | you're about 13 years too late for that complaint, but yeah |
| 19:07.38 | StephenLynx | ikr |
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| 19:07.52 | StephenLynx | by the time I got into programming I wasn't into wow anymore |
| 19:07.54 | Gnarfoz | (keep in mind wowprogramming and particularly wowwiki are outdated in parts) |
| 19:08.15 | StephenLynx | im just getting warmed up for classic |
| 19:08.39 | Gnarfoz | unknown if that will even support addons |
| 19:08.46 | Gnarfoz | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 19:09.03 | StephenLynx | vanilla did, I don't see why it wouldn't. |
| 19:09.21 | Gnarfoz | (because it's not vanilla, and they've made public literally no details apart from "it will happen" ^^) |
| 19:09.28 | StephenLynx | i know its not vanilla |
| 19:09.37 | StephenLynx | but I don't see reason for them to remove that feature. |
| 19:09.53 | Gnarfoz | vanilla had a very different addon system compared to today, with far fewer (too few) restrictions |
| 19:09.54 | Gnarfoz | so... YMMV |
| 19:10.03 | Gnarfoz | shrugs |
| 19:10.20 | StephenLynx | yeah, it might be different from the support vanilla had, but I still expect it to be there. |
| 19:10.34 | Funkeh` | new build on PTR |
| 19:10.43 | StephenLynx | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20759321252 stuff like this crack me up |
| 19:10.49 | StephenLynx | >no addons for legitimate vanilla |
| 19:10.54 | StephenLynx | >people used addons back then |
| 19:13.52 | TheDanW | there's a limited subset of api docs available ingame with /api, foxlit also has a web version of them |
| 19:22.58 | Resike | I've started collecting stuff |
| 19:23.00 | Resike | https://github.com/Resike/BlizzardInterfaceResources/blob/master/Resources/WidgetReference.lua |
| 19:23.12 | Resike | this is unfinished but at least up to date |
| 19:27.02 | Constie | I started playing an alt I had abandoned at 34 in Feralas, and found that my quest log had been emptied but the quests were still active, and I could progress with "collect bear asses" objectives but not "kill bears" ones, and couldn't turn in the former when completed, so that was a bit inelegant. |
| 19:27.10 | StephenLynx | and how people figure stuff like parameters and types? |
| 19:27.12 | Constie | But now that I'm 35 it's all fine again. |
| 19:30.46 | Resike | <StephenLynx> what text editor do you use? |
| 19:31.46 | StephenLynx | in this order: eclipse, geany, nano |
| 19:31.50 | StephenLynx | but why does that matter? |
| 19:32.03 | foxlit | vi or riot. |
| 19:32.10 | Resike | there are a couple of bundles out for wow |
| 19:32.22 | StephenLynx | what I meant is: |
| 19:32.34 | StephenLynx | how people figure what parameters and types the api uses? |
| 19:32.34 | Resike | atom: https://atom.io/packages/language-lua-wow vscode: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Septh.wow-bundle and sublime: https://github.com/Resike/WoWDevelopment |
| 19:32.54 | Resike | which autocompletes shit for you |
| 19:33.06 | StephenLynx | and how these know what the api takes? |
| 19:33.35 | Resike | using powdered unicorn horn and magic |
| 19:33.39 | StephenLynx | exactlty |
| 19:33.44 | StephenLynx | >"CreateAnimationGroup", -- Creates a new animation group as a child of the region |
| 19:33.45 | StephenLynx | for example |
| 19:33.53 | StephenLynx | what are the parameters you pass to create this? |
| 19:34.01 | StephenLynx | what is the returned type? |
| 19:34.18 | StephenLynx | im getting mad respect for the addon developing community after learning the size of the wtf the addon api is. |
| 19:35.01 | StephenLynx | ì figure people just bruteforce stuff |
| 19:35.11 | Resike | https://imgur.com/a/bhpJc |
| 19:35.32 | StephenLynx | see? |
| 19:35.41 | StephenLynx | but how did it reached to that conclusion? |
| 19:36.04 | Resike | from parsing blizzard code in the past 14 years |
| 19:36.27 | Constie | I don't know if it's what the smart people do, but if you do e.g. "/run a = CreateFrame()" the game gives you an error telling you what parameters it expects, so that's one thing you can do if you already have some information. |
| 19:37.11 | StephenLynx | really sad blizzard just let it be this way. I wonder if they have this documentation internally or its just a big wtf there too. |
| 19:37.35 | StephenLynx | because if they don't, they that's some real amateur hour there. |
| 19:39.14 | Gnarfoz | oh yes, great pro-grammer |
| 19:50.01 | Thunder_Child | To be fair I still dont think Blizz "officially" supports addons. |
| 19:50.07 | Gnarfoz | uh, they don't? |
| 19:50.18 | StephenLynx | I can see that argument being made. |
| 19:50.26 | StephenLynx | the addon button only shows up AFTER you install them. |
| 19:50.45 | Gnarfoz | it has always been more of a "if you can use this as well, that's fine" kind of deal |
| 19:51.03 | StephenLynx | it seems more like of a hidden feature. |
| 19:51.18 | Gnarfoz | with some smaller and some bigger concessions made that are only used by addons, but still |
| 19:51.34 | Resike | there are like 18000-20000 globals that would worth documenting if one takes 1 minutes the whole thing can be done in 14 days |
| 19:52.39 | Gnarfoz | if only. :D |
| 19:53.09 | Gnarfoz | (you could spread that out over 14 years and you'd almost be done by now!) |
| 19:53.37 | Thunder_Child | It would have changed too much in that time. |
| 19:55.53 | Gnarfoz | anyone have an idea what the in-raid in-combat fps drop is to blame on? |
| 19:55.59 | Gnarfoz | smells like addon system |
| 19:56.02 | Resike | gnomes |
| 19:56.14 | Funkeh` | gnomes are taking up 30-40fps each atm |
| 19:56.56 | Resike | i've shot this in COS no addons whatsoever: blob:https://imgur.com/4effcd29-a112-4b91-8caa-950a04d2d13b |
| 19:57.13 | Resike | blop https://i.imgur.com/GM9Nro9.jpg |
| 19:57.17 | Resike | the new imgur system is bad |
| 19:57.34 | Gnarfoz | that's been happening for over a year and it's still terrible :D |
| 19:58.51 | Resike | i would blame the new lightning system |
| 20:01.09 | Gnarfoz | lightning system? more bzzzt? |
| 20:01.37 | Gnarfoz | (more lightning bolts in combat, makes sense) |
| 20:02.52 | Gnarfoz | disabling addons + reducing graphic preset gave someone who had 10 fps before over 70 |
| 20:03.31 | Gnarfoz | what that means is anyone's guess :D |
| 20:07.27 | Resike | the problem is not with the static fps but mass-grouped combat and specific zone parts and the two things together |
| 20:10.37 | Gnarfoz | that reads more like a generic description of wow's general performance issues that it had before as well, not like the 7.3.5 thing |
| 20:28.08 | foxlit | are the general/trade/custom chat channels sharded? |
| 20:29.05 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:46.13 | AcidWeb | Whisper addon communication is blocked by ignore? |
| 20:46.17 | Gnarfoz | tyes |
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| 21:20.03 | Andols_ | on argus, on what add does Astral damage do more damage to :/ |
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| 21:23.23 | Gnarfoz | you mean arcane? |
| 21:23.34 | Gnarfoz | I don't know of a spell school called "astral" |
| 21:23.35 | Constie | If I'm remembering right that should do extra damage to both the arcane and nature ones. |
| 21:23.48 | Constie | It's one of those fancy multi-school things. |
| 21:23.53 | Gnarfoz | is it one of the hybrid ones like frostfire? |
| 21:24.18 | Constie | https://wow.gamepedia.com/Astral |
| 21:24.18 | Gnarfoz | makes sense, sounds druidy |
| 21:24.37 | Gnarfoz | aha, spellstorm |
| 21:24.40 | Gnarfoz | that sounds more familiar |
| 21:24.44 | Andols_ | ok thanks :) |
| 21:27.13 | Constie | I'm not actually sure it works like that (all my damage is 100% shadow), but it seems like it should. |
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| 22:04.44 | Varyak | Maybe one of you has an idea, when I loop through the spellbook to get all spells some are missing like starfall. The code I use: https://pastebin.com/RGnNwnLL |
| 22:05.13 | Varyak | maybe more spells aren't showing up, it's one at least I know about |
| 22:09.57 | foxlit | https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetSpellTabInfo : "Due to flyouts, more spellbook item indices may be used by a tab than suggested by the offset/numEntries values." |
| 22:10.54 | Varyak | Hm |
| 22:11.34 | foxlit | so I guess check what's in slot offset+numEntries+1 |
| 22:13.46 | nevcairiel | Basically loop stuff until it stops giving you more? |
| 22:14.02 | foxlit | no, that's a bit silly. |
| 22:14.18 | foxlit | maybe check the next tab's offset and go to that-1. |
| 22:15.33 | nevcairiel | What does framexml do to fill the tabs? |
| 22:16.54 | foxlit | Varyak: btw, tab starts at offset+1, I think. |
| 22:17.17 | foxlit | sorry, you knew that already. |
| 22:17.22 | Varyak | yeah |
| 22:17.47 | Varyak | I also just noticed I even get spells I don't know/have |
| 22:18.22 | Varyak | I guess it output all spells you might be able to have with talents and stuff |
| 22:19.20 | nevcairiel | Talent spells are rather screwed up with the spell book |
| 22:19.55 | foxlit | in some cases there's a base spell that tallents override to do something else |
| 22:21.03 | Varyak | wouldn't have thought that it's so difficult to get all spells currently known |
| 22:21.51 | foxlit | precisely the sort of thing the default UI doesn't need and is therefore annoyingly complicated. |
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| 22:29.20 | foxlit | fwiw, I seem to have decided to scan (offset+1,offset+numEntries) for tabs 1 through GetNumSpellTabs()+12 |
| 22:32.59 | foxlit | Varyak: Starfall (spell 191034) is in slot 89 for me, just after Solar Wrath and Stag Form, and before Starsurge and Sunfire |
| 22:34.57 | foxlit | [51 while Balance-specced] |
| 22:41.54 | Varyak | I just realized that im looping through all possible books |
| 22:42.14 | Varyak | Still doesn't explain why starfall is missing, but at least when i manually specify the tab it works |
| 22:42.28 | foxlit | just far enough out of scrollback that you don't notice it? |
| 22:42.50 | Varyak | or braindamage |
| 22:42.56 | Varyak | one of those |
| 22:43.26 | foxlit | GetSpellTabInfo has a convinient return value specifying that the tab is for some other spec. |
| 22:43.32 | Varyak | I will just go out of a limb and assume the active talent spell tab will always be the second one |
| 22:43.48 | foxlit | (and tabs beyod GetNumSpellTabs are used for professions) |
| 22:44.56 | Varyak | Thanks for your help |
| 22:50.46 | nevcairiel | wow they put scheduled maintenance on saturday? guess fixing some of the high profile issues is quite demanding |
| 22:51.40 | Varyak | well they broke the game |
| 22:51.52 | nevcairiel | worked fine for me =p |
| 22:52.10 | Varyak | I didn't had major issues too, but my fps where a lot lower still |
| 22:52.42 | ls- | it works kinda fine for me >_> |
| 22:52.46 | nevcairiel | i didnt notice fps issues in raids, but i didnt pay attention to fps numbers - but it was not that bad that I would notice, so yeah |
| 22:53.04 | Gnarfoz | too many people in our raid had 10 fps or less during combat, that made some fights a lot more annoying |
| 22:53.18 | nevcairiel | you have too many potato people :> |
| 22:53.24 | Gnarfoz | unrelated to hardware |
| 22:53.41 | Primer | I re-subbed last night and the first thing I saw was my former raid leader complaining about how everyone in raid had lag |
| 22:53.45 | Gnarfoz | their fps wasn't shit in raid 2 days ago :D |
| 22:53.46 | Alram | What do those people have in common |
| 22:53.50 | Primer | and how they had to cancel raid |
| 22:53.57 | Gnarfoz | Alram: they all updated to 7.3.5 :> |
| 22:53.57 | Alram | Do they all play gnomes? |
| 22:54.05 | Alram | I bet they all play gnomes |
| 22:54.16 | Gnarfoz | a gnome theory was postulated earlier, but I must rebut: we have no gnomes in our raid |
| 22:54.20 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: that cant be it, since it doesnt affect everyone that did! :) |
| 22:54.22 | ls- | well, people who play gnomes deserve to not be able to play the game |
| 22:54.23 | Gnarfoz | a sad state of affairs indeed |
| 22:54.32 | nevcairiel | indeed, who do you blame for failure? |
| 22:54.32 | Alram | Hmm |
| 22:54.38 | Alram | Secret gnome allied race? |
| 22:54.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's a wrong conclusion to draw, of course |
| 22:55.01 | Varyak | well besides the fps issues some mythic+ dungeons are broken, the raid scaling stuff for the important transmogs |
| 22:55.02 | nevcairiel | apparently excessive use of WA can make it worse |
| 22:55.10 | Gnarfoz | I blame it on some addon they all share, possibly. I'd hope it'd be ElvUI :p |
| 22:55.17 | nevcairiel | none of those really scream needing a maintenance to fix them though |
| 22:55.23 | nevcairiel | client updates are easy to push out |
| 22:55.32 | nevcairiel | so must be somthing they need to fix something in the database for or such |
| 22:55.34 | Varyak | people have the issues without addons too |
| 22:55.43 | ls- | the problem is that people w/o addons have performance issues too |
| 22:55.46 | Varyak | apparently running without sound helps some people |
| 22:55.49 | Gnarfoz | who knows where the "patch everything live" tech went |
| 22:55.54 | Gnarfoz | it disappeared without fanfare |
| 22:56.12 | nevcairiel | remember how they replaced one of your talents while players were logged in? |
| 22:56.16 | nevcairiel | that was nice |
| 22:56.26 | Gnarfoz | well, a brave person disabled all addons + reduced graphic preset and gained like 70 fps (over his new high of 12) |
| 22:56.33 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's the one I remember fondly |
| 22:56.37 | Gnarfoz | suddenly having a new talent |
| 22:56.40 | Gnarfoz | like, wut |
| 22:56.45 | Gnarfoz | this wasn't here a couple of minutes ago |
| 22:56.47 | Alram | Is the key add-on or graphics though |
| 22:56.53 | nevcairiel | later that expansion, you had like 10 seconds lag after login from all the hotfix data syncing, tho =p |
| 22:57.07 | Gnarfoz | since multiple people had already tried graphics preset '1', I'd say addons |
| 22:57.09 | Gnarfoz | but who knows |
| 22:57.22 | Gnarfoz | that was *this* expansion, in case you're confused :D |
| 22:57.27 | Alram | I would hope Blizzard does at this point |
| 22:57.34 | Varyak | but even if its addons, what did they change that breaks addons? |
| 22:57.35 | nevcairiel | the rumor I heard is that high use of spell info apis can cause it |
| 22:57.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: wasnt that in wod |
| 22:57.51 | nevcairiel | i was quite sure it was |
| 22:58.28 | Gnarfoz | I got "Cavalier" (paladin sprint horse) in place of something else, I'm rather sure that was a 7.0 thing |
| 22:59.05 | Gnarfoz | or at least something in that row, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=204139/knight-templar 7.0x |
| 22:59.14 | nevcairiel | actually it was in 7.0 |
| 22:59.17 | nevcairiel | but before legion |
| 22:59.19 | Varyak | hm just saw this: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/218254212641849345/403664902801063946/Screenshot_20180118-144219.png |
| 22:59.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 22:59.20 | nevcairiel | so we're kinda both right? |
| 22:59.22 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:59.31 | Gnarfoz | kind of |
| 22:59.32 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:59.52 | nevcairiel | My mind ofent associates images of things i'm doing while I hear some news |
| 23:00.03 | nevcairiel | and I had a vivid image of my garrison in my head associated with that info |
| 23:00.09 | Gnarfoz | Varyak: about 99% technobabble right there |
| 23:01.00 | Gnarfoz | now where's my old phone |
| 23:02.09 | Simca_ | fucking hell i hope that's wrong |
| 23:02.14 | Gnarfoz | Google's security checkup thing complains that I haven't had that on for over 300 days and maybe I should remove its full access to my account, if I don't use it anymore |
| 23:02.45 | ls- | Simca_: y? |
| 23:03.38 | Alram | Oh boy |
| 23:03.41 | Simca_ | i use those files extensively |
| 23:03.57 | Gnarfoz | which means you would probably know if that's even remotely close |
| 23:03.58 | Simca_ | reverting to an old format is a lot of work |
| 23:04.12 | Simca_ | i mean they enabled bit reading |
| 23:04.16 | Simca_ | bit reading is fucking slow |
| 23:04.17 | foxlit | git checkout ^{before 7.3.5} |
| 23:04.33 | Alram | thank the lord for foxlit |
| 23:04.37 | Simca_ | of course it's going to suck for performance, that's obvious |
| 23:04.49 | Simca_ | why would they ever think otherwise |
| 23:04.59 | Gnarfoz | you mean "copy back the version someone luckily saved to a network share somewhere" |
| 23:05.26 | Alram | Most teams use git I think |
| 23:05.29 | Funkeh` | I wasn't far off blaming it on trying to reduce memory |
| 23:05.37 | Alram | Others would still be on perforce in worst case |
| 23:05.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah right |
| 23:05.44 | Alram | Probably fine /s |
| 23:05.54 | Gnarfoz | or they're on nothing + a bunch of printouts |
| 23:06.01 | Gnarfoz | never assume sanity :p |
| 23:06.05 | Alram | I print out my code |
| 23:06.13 | Alram | I hang it on the wall too |
| 23:06.18 | Gnarfoz | I bet this is just the blowback of expanding the backpack |
| 23:06.19 | Simca_ | i use punchcards |
| 23:06.22 | Alram | Never need ctrl-f |
| 23:06.41 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: qq, never getting that feature :( |
| 23:06.49 | nevcairiel | even if you discount the backup scenario, it would be super terrible for productivity and any sane developer would lobby terribly for introducing some sane system =p |
| 23:06.57 | Gnarfoz | they don't have phones where you are? |
| 23:07.12 | Gnarfoz | they did claim at that first blizzcon with the tech side-show thing, that they don't even know what kind of trouble changing the backpack slot number might cause since they rely on that magic number in places |
| 23:07.15 | foxlit | don't want to sign up for sms protect. |
| 23:07.21 | Gnarfoz | so... maybe this is their reckoning |
| 23:07.31 | Gnarfoz | well, people in my guild have the +4 slots without sms protect |
| 23:07.52 | Funkeh` | are you sure about that |
| 23:07.53 | ls- | I have no idea why they added sms protection to the requirement >_> |
| 23:07.58 | nevcairiel | i had sms protect for ages, its not like its an invasive feature or whatever, it just sends you a message when you change your password or whatever |
| 23:08.08 | Gnarfoz | (which the PTR string change indicate might be an oversight; they did communicate it would require both but they only now changed the string on the ptr) |
| 23:08.16 | Gnarfoz | for the same reason they even offer +4 backpack slots |
| 23:08.32 | Gnarfoz | because less "hacked" accounts means less support costs |
| 23:08.33 | Funkeh` | +4 slots for a phone number seems like a rip off |
| 23:08.58 | Gnarfoz | they've had my phone number for long enough now, time to give something back |
| 23:09.01 | nevcairiel | i never get call or text spam on my mobile |
| 23:09.01 | ls- | I'd have to change my phone number every few months in settings, too much PITA >_> |
| 23:09.14 | Gnarfoz | because my phone number is so terribly high value /s |
| 23:09.18 | Funkeh` | stop moving |
| 23:09.25 | ls- | but I cant >_> |
| 23:09.26 | Gnarfoz | use a number that doesn't change |
| 23:09.44 | ls- | I move between China and Siam quite regularly |
| 23:09.54 | nevcairiel | so stop doing that? |
| 23:09.55 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:10.08 | ls- | pay me :D |
| 23:10.13 | Funkeh` | buy a dual sim phone |
| 23:10.26 | ls- | meh... |
| 23:10.30 | Alram | I've had the same number for like 8 years, I only get spam calls from my ISP. Everyone else has been told to suck it repeatedly and have stopped calling |
| 23:10.36 | Gnarfoz | who calls thailand siam in this millenium |
| 23:10.53 | ls- | many people |
| 23:10.57 | ls- | even is Siam :D |
| 23:11.05 | ls- | esp in Siam, I'd say |
| 23:11.10 | Simca_ | I call Turkey the Tiny Ottomans |
| 23:11.24 | Simca_ | accurate, right? |
| 23:11.26 | Gnarfoz | that seems unlikely, given that "Siam" is a western name |
| 23:11.27 | foxlit | Problem: I'm still paying for a phone number I haven't actually used in about 1.5 years just because I'm not sure what authentication systems actually depend on me being reachable on it. |
| 23:11.30 | Gnarfoz | (an exonym) |
| 23:11.40 | ls- | most brands here prefer to use Siam instead of Thailand |
| 23:11.41 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: so... don't use *that* one, then. :D |
| 23:11.54 | nevcairiel | i havent changed my phone number for almost two decades now |
| 23:12.05 | Gnarfoz | I've never changed mine |
| 23:12.10 | Gnarfoz | well, not my mobile one anyway |
| 23:12.16 | nevcairiel | i had some super odd pre-paid account at first |
| 23:12.26 | nevcairiel | this is basically the second number i ever had |
| 23:12.31 | foxlit | it's easy as long as you're within the EU and don't move to a different country. |
| 23:12.35 | Gnarfoz | I didn't want to spend more time on the hotline, but I'm sure the 2003 date they have for my account opening is wrong |
| 23:13.09 | nevcairiel | of course hardline number changes when you move city, but i never use that anyway |
| 23:13.30 | Gnarfoz | actually my mobile has a landline number as well and that hasn't changed, either :D |
| 23:13.42 | Gnarfoz | guess I can remove this SIM card from my old phone, now that I no longer have multi-sim |
| 23:13.55 | Gnarfoz | wifi still mostly broken on the phone, though, kind of bad :p |
| 23:14.08 | nevcairiel | i used to have o2 home zone, if they still call it that, but never used it either |
| 23:14.14 | foxlit | (and notifying blizzard of moving countries requires a certificate signed in blood or something) |
| 23:14.27 | Gnarfoz | doesn't exist anymore |
| 23:14.39 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, that's the number I meant as well |
| 23:15.21 | Gnarfoz | maybe I should figure out if cyano^H^H^H^H^Hlineage works on the S4 |
| 23:15.25 | nevcairiel | I keep wondering if I gave blizzard my full name back 15 years ago, and they just decide to only show the initial of my last name, or if thats what I actually entered there :D |
| 23:16.08 | Gnarfoz | they only show the initial |
| 23:16.21 | ls- | foxlit: not w/ blood, but it's a painful procedure, if I have to change it for some reason, I have to show them my recent bills and stuff >_> |
| 23:16.24 | nevcairiel | i figured |
| 23:16.36 | nevcairiel | but wasnt sure |
| 23:16.40 | foxlit | it's government issued photo id + recent utility bill if the former doesn't contain an address. |
| 23:16.50 | Gnarfoz | usually a utility bill as proof of residence + an ID is all they need |
| 23:17.03 | Gnarfoz | (beat me to it) |
| 23:17.06 | foxlit | which is about what it takes to open a bloody bank account around here. |
| 23:17.16 | nevcairiel | so basically the same shit to verify your identity for somewhat better ssl certs =p |
| 23:17.19 | Gnarfoz | but you don't get a gun with your bank account |
| 23:17.36 | foxlit | For a social gaming company, you'd think having a valid billing method in the country would do? |
| 23:17.39 | Gnarfoz | clearly, you should realize the benefits of the texas style of banking |
| 23:17.53 | Gnarfoz | wtf is a "social gaming" company and when did Blizzard become one? |
| 23:18.12 | nevcairiel | foxlit: probably too many cases of social engineering to steal accounts |
| 23:18.30 | foxlit | not like the name on the card changes :/ |
| 23:18.47 | nevcairiel | actually the name on the credit card is typically not required for billing |
| 23:18.58 | Gnarfoz | nor does Blizzard get to see it, if they're doing thing properly |
| 23:19.26 | Gnarfoz | (nor are credit cards used everywhere, yay Germany) |
| 23:19.42 | Gnarfoz | ffs phone, get your wifi shit together |
| 23:19.53 | Gnarfoz | it didn't use to take this many tries :| |
| 23:19.55 | nevcairiel | i use a credit card for payment right now |
| 23:20.35 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: wtf is a "social gaming" company and when did Blizzard become one? << notice how there's a "Blizzard" launcher with a "Social" tab that's peddling you live Overwatch streaming? |
| 23:20.53 | Gnarfoz | the social tab is to chat with my guild mates |
| 23:20.58 | Gnarfoz | the overwatch tab is the overwatch tab? |
| 23:21.14 | Gnarfoz | unless you're not wearing your glasses? |
| 23:21.15 | foxlit | top tab bar, not left tab bar |
| 23:21.24 | Gnarfoz | there is no 'social' in the left bar |
| 23:21.36 | nevcairiel | i miss the ability to have popup chat windows |
| 23:21.41 | nevcairiel | unless i just dont know how to do that |
| 23:21.42 | foxlit | there's an overwatch tab in the top bar, though. |
| 23:21.54 | Simca_ | there's an option to reverse the top and side bars |
| 23:21.58 | Simca_ | i think |
| 23:21.59 | Gnarfoz | yes, an overwatch league thingamajig |
| 23:22.07 | nevcairiel | the overwatch league thing is a bit buggy |
| 23:22.15 | Thunder_Child | Yes it is. |
| 23:22.16 | nevcairiel | if you click on it and navigate away right away |
| 23:22.27 | nevcairiel | some video playsi n the background somewhere |
| 23:22.52 | Thunder_Child | That's what we get for leaving the tab. |
| 23:23.00 | foxlit | the "right away" is redundant. |
| 23:23.15 | foxlit | it'll keep playing audio from the void seemingly forever. |
| 23:23.28 | Gnarfoz | when I go to the tab, the only thing there is a button |
| 23:23.31 | Gnarfoz | which opens a browser? |
| 23:23.50 | Gnarfoz | which has an auto-play twitch stream but that is hardly "the void" |
| 23:24.04 | nevcairiel | not for me |
| 23:24.11 | nevcairiel | it opens that website right in the b.net app |
| 23:24.18 | foxlit | it plays the twitch stream within the battle.net app, not by opening the system browser. |
| 23:24.30 | Gnarfoz | guess I have a better app |
| 23:24.51 | nevcairiel | or an oudated one! =p |
| 23:24.54 | nevcairiel | +t |
| 23:24.56 | Gnarfoz | more likely a newer one |
| 23:25.24 | Gnarfoz | 1.10.0.9767 (Beta)? |
| 23:25.30 | nevcairiel | 1.10.0.9766 |
| 23:25.32 | nevcairiel | odd |
| 23:25.41 | nevcairiel | would seem like a downgrade to force opening a browser |
| 23:26.04 | nevcairiel | well if you actually want that functionality, in any case |
| 23:26.05 | Gnarfoz | unless you consider not having ghostly twitch stream sound from the void an improvement |
| 23:26.07 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:26.19 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's some setting that causes this |
| 23:26.21 | nevcairiel | they could just pause stuff when i leave the tab <.< |
| 23:26.46 | foxlit | small indie company still hasn't perfected the pin-to-taskbar functionality. |
| 23:26.53 | Thunder_Child | But why would you ever not want to listen or watch whatever Blizz tells you to? |
| 23:27.30 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard tells you to... click the tab? |
| 23:27.33 | Gnarfoz | must have missed that |
| 23:27.37 | nevcairiel | kinda |
| 23:27.41 | nevcairiel | it has a glow effect and everything |
| 23:27.58 | foxlit | it's essentially an ad. |
| 23:28.08 | Gnarfoz | the resident annoy-a-tron said "tell", so, there |
| 23:28.09 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:28.38 | Gnarfoz | basically the entire right-hand side of the bnet app is ads, :D |
| 23:29.14 | foxlit | every side of the app is ads :P |
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| 23:29.27 | foxlit | left has Destiny 2 being there for no other reason than to show you a "buy" button |
| 23:29.38 | Gnarfoz | or.... to play it? |
| 23:29.41 | Gnarfoz | like the other games ;) |
| 23:29.54 | foxlit | I don't have it installed, have no plans to purchase it, and cannot hide it. |
| 23:29.56 | nevcairiel | they always show all games with no indication if you actually own them, dont they |
| 23:30.25 | foxlit | and now the overwatch stream is playing an ad for amazon prime. adception. |
| 23:30.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure, I do recall new games popping up only when added to my account, but that was mostly by them starting to exist, not by me buying them |
| 23:31.06 | madsushi | I think on Mac, it even shows games that aren't available on Mac |
| 23:31.22 | Gnarfoz | that's to punish mac users, of course |
| 23:31.41 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: embedded browser is used for the stream on 9767 (Beta) too. |
| 23:32.14 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: clearly, you should figure out what I'm doing different, then ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 23:32.29 | Gnarfoz | (the only thing that came to mind was "hardware accel", but that is enabled) |
| 23:32.38 | Thunder_Child | O/S difference? |
| 23:33.06 | Gnarfoz | https://i.imgur.com/Xg00HTe.png is all I get there |
| 23:33.18 | nevcairiel | how odd |
| 23:37.56 | foxlit | nevcairiel: i miss the ability to have popup chat windows << there's a "Automatically create pop-out windows for new chats" checkbox in Settings -> Friends -> Chat |
| 23:38.13 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 23:39.44 | foxlit | I guess there's also a button in the top right of the chat view in the social tab to move that chat to a window. |
| 23:40.06 | nevcairiel | hm i must've missed that |
