| 00:00.29 | nevcairiel | they cant really do that either from Lua, except by upvalueing it before any addon loads, its not like there is a fancy mechanism in place |
| 00:01.36 | Semlar | it would be incredibly simple to offer an unhooked version of the functions in a separate table |
| 00:03.10 | foxlit | but... why? |
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| 00:05.44 | Semlar | i assume he's worried about other addons potentially modifying the behavior of the functions, but if something is being hooked it's usually for a reason |
| 00:06.27 | Semlar | and addons sneakily trying to avoid the hook just creates a different problem |
| 00:15.16 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, litemount doesn't like something that changed with scrollbars |
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| 00:23.39 | Mr_Rabies | wait its just a global error hmm |
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| 00:26.25 | TheDanW | "secure" prehooking is tricky because of reference arguments (tables), you could modify them before the original can inspect them |
| 00:28.42 | nevcairiel | could always apply taint then |
| 00:29.34 | TheDanW | is it any better than standard Lua only prehooking then? |
| 00:29.54 | nevcairiel | well only taint when i actually mess with things |
| 00:30.54 | TheDanW | sometimessecureprehook |
| 00:31.08 | nevcairiel | i've had cases where i had to finangle around in some parts of the UI where a pre-hook would've been helpful, but its not like its a breaking thing |
| 00:31.42 | Funkeh` | oh, good point now that i remember |
| 00:32.13 | nevcairiel | i think it was when i wanted to customize the style of the quest tracker without breaking the secure item buttons in it |
| 00:32.21 | Funkeh` | SetItemRef i think it was? Errors if you don't prehook |
| 00:32.33 | Funkeh` | would be great to change that behaviour so it doesn't |
| 00:32.35 | nevcairiel | .. because those arent actually secure buttons but just rely on executioin being secure |
| 00:33.35 | nevcairiel | i dont think you should be insecure hooking SetItemRef |
| 00:33.59 | Funkeh` | let me check to see if that's the right function |
| 00:34.13 | Funkeh` | it's the one when you're creating custom chat links |
| 00:34.55 | TheDanW | we should have written SetItemRef to allow callback registration on arbitrary link types :/ |
| 00:35.36 | nevcairiel | for custom chat links you should probably be hooking ItemRefTooltip.SetHyperlink, at least that works for me |
| 00:36.00 | Mr_Rabies | oh okay it is litemount then |
| 00:36.06 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: https://github.com/funkydude/BasicChatMods/blob/master/urlcopy.lua#L125-L133 |
| 00:36.08 | Funkeh` | that's the one |
| 00:36.18 | Funkeh` | no way to securehook without having an error shoved in your face |
| 00:36.34 | nevcairiel | well of course, because you need to stop execution of the original code |
| 00:36.43 | Funkeh` | because it errors |
| 00:36.51 | Funkeh` | if it didn't, you wouldn't need to |
| 00:37.11 | Funkeh` | it could just silently ignore invalid types |
| 00:37.22 | nevcairiel | input validation is a good thing to find errors |
| 00:37.32 | TheDanW | destructive hooks generally imply missing API |
| 00:38.03 | nevcairiel | well no time like the present to fix that! |
| 00:38.20 | nevcairiel | custom hyperlink handlers would be a neat thing |
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| 00:40.19 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that tracks whether or not you have an illusion/set of illusions on the tooltip? |
| 00:40.34 | Constie | Really glad they added that feature that gives NPCs cursor priority over players. https://i.imgur.com/cOLioSw.png |
| 00:40.42 | Mr_Rabies | consuming the illusion scrolls from enchanting when you already have all of them makes me sad :( |
| 00:41.16 | nevcairiel | Constie: i like it even more if the npc also has the shine-through effect on, so you can actually see it through the players |
| 00:44.01 | pompy1 | were the emissary quests supposed to reset today? |
| 00:44.24 | nevcairiel | if they did, then yes, if they didnt, then no |
| 00:46.00 | pompy1 | lol |
| 00:46.24 | ccox | man, enchanting is going to be a mess to clean up... |
| 00:47.54 | Simca | @TheDanW: you probably already know, but holy paladins' artifact weapon has about 60,000 intellect on it |
| 00:48.05 | Simca | which slightly unbalances the class in just about every context in the game |
| 00:48.18 | Simca | so, naturally, time to do some battlegrounds |
| 00:50.50 | Simca | hmm, actually |
| 00:50.58 | Simca | i wonder if it is just a tooltip bug |
| 00:51.11 | Simca | it doesn't FEEL like i heal for more anyway |
| 00:51.39 | Simca | actually looks like it's on most int weapons too |
| 00:52.02 | Constie | My Shadow weapon has 25k. Don't know what it was before. |
| 00:52.24 | pompy1 | 19,781 on my fire mage one |
| 00:53.04 | Simca | so 60k on the holy weapon does seem pretty crazy |
| 00:53.08 | Simca | alright |
| 00:53.22 | Constie | To be fair, if you're playing a Holy Paladin you could probably use some more intellect. |
| 00:53.31 | Simca | harsh |
| 00:57.54 | pompy1 | two Ulduar cheevs pop up on initial login and show as FoS and then disappear when relogged |
| 01:01.24 | Simca | it's cause they condensed the 10 and 25 man achievements for ulduar |
| 01:01.37 | Simca | don't worry about it; if you had them all already nothing useful changed |
| 01:02.04 | Mr_Rabies | i got the rusted protodrake, i didn't have that before i don't think |
| 01:02.08 | Mr_Rabies | at least it registered as "new" |
| 01:02.22 | Ressy | They took the 10 & 25 achieves, and made them 1 |
| 01:02.29 | Ressy | and FoS the old ones. |
| 01:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't uld have two different sets of gear depending on raid size? |
| 01:02.45 | Mr_Rabies | xmog wise? |
| 01:02.54 | Ressy | Theres only 1 size now. |
| 01:03.07 | Ressy | flex |
| 01:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | how is the gear handled then? do both sets drop now? |
| 01:03.32 | Ressy | *shrugs* |
| 01:03.37 | Simca | ulduar only had 1 set |
| 01:03.57 | Simca | there were some unique stuff to 10 and 25 but the tier set was the same |
| 01:04.04 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 01:04.08 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking it was different colors |
| 01:04.23 | Simca | actually, you're right apparently |
| 01:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | oh right yeah |
| 01:04.59 | Mr_Rabies | could be you just use the same token for either, i dunno |
| 01:05.28 | Mr_Rabies | next thing they need to work on is getting rid of boes that don't drop anymore for xmog sets |
| 01:05.43 | Mr_Rabies | no one cares about boe lfr bracers that are no longer obtainable |
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| 01:35.50 | TheDanW | Simca: sounds a bit OP |
| 01:36.27 | Simca | it feels like they fixed the real bug and it's just a lingering tooltip issue now |
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| 01:40.11 | TheDanW | believe it or not you were the first to report it |
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| 02:55.18 | Semlar | blackrook hold appears to be uncompletable |
| 02:55.45 | Semlar | we just tried to run a keystone for it and it just teleports everyone backwards to the start after trying to leave the entrance |
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| 02:59.51 | Funkeh` | maybe you were just lagging |
| 03:00.22 | Semlar | no |
| 03:37.39 | Funkeh` | how long was US maintenance? |
| 03:37.46 | Funkeh` | eu was like an hour |
| 03:53.14 | Simca | Steps to hilarity in 7.3.5: Be a fire mage with fire orbs. Use Rukhmar's Sacred Memory toy. Be the center of your own fire orb solar system. |
| 03:54.02 | Simca | the funny part was it was already bugged in 7.3.2, so that like the orbs were WAY above your head. now in 7.3.5 it's even worse. the orbs are massive and spin around you like you're the sun and they're planets |
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| 04:57.47 | ccox | not sure how Blizzard managed to slow down the AH, but boy did they ever! Larger the server population, the slower it goes. (not sure if connected to user lookup or AH size yet) |
| 05:00.15 | ccox | and, of course, scallall (fast scan in auctioneer) is busted - apparently returning a zero entry result |
| 05:00.30 | ccox | s/scallall/getall/ |
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| 06:45.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.23 | Semlar | we just couldn't do this guy's key because the instance wouldn't let us past the entrance |
| 06:50.11 | Semlar | when we left, downleveled the key and tried again it did the same thing |
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| 07:12.39 | ccox | Hopefully Blizzard will fix the AuctionUI code soon, so it stops giving errors every time I use the AH |
| 07:26.55 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.26 | Simca | no way |
| 08:28.33 | Simca | hunters would be hugely up in arms if that was true |
| 08:28.42 | Simca | maybe just dummies are broken |
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| 09:07.25 | VIad | I heard a lot of complaints about instances content being too hard now, jesus :D |
| 09:07.59 | VIad | and not worth the time to do it at all |
| 09:09.32 | ls- | well, legacy raids were buffed quite significantly, ppl are complaining about hp increase, in some cases it's up to 4x O_o |
| 09:10.29 | nevcairiel | thats fine, most of those you could oneshot the bosses |
| 09:10.32 | ThiefMaster | and you now get less loot as well when soloing some of them, right? |
| 09:10.34 | nevcairiel | so now i need 2 or 3 attacks |
| 09:10.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:10.52 | ThiefMaster | or can you scale eg. the new ulduar to 25 instead of 10 when going solo? |
| 09:11.21 | nevcairiel | ulduar was revamped quite a bit for timewalking, so no |
| 09:11.26 | nevcairiel | but other raids should be unaffected |
| 09:11.29 | ThiefMaster | bah, that's lame |
| 09:11.50 | ThiefMaster | there should be a switch to scale up... would even be nice for current raids if a group is already overgeared and wants more loot e.g. for some alts joining |
| 09:12.12 | ThiefMaster | ie just go with maybe 12 ppl and scale to 15 to get the extra item |
| 09:12.27 | VIad | I read you can't solo sha of pride if you could before |
| 09:12.49 | VIad | and with PL it apparently makes farming old transmogs harder |
| 09:13.16 | VIad | we need "group loot" back, not the "need before greed" crap for xmog runs |
| 09:13.51 | VIad | at least if the content is old stuff the group loot should only consider armor types not the stats on it and allow you to need :x |
| 09:14.05 | ThiefMaster | yeah, or consider "new transmog" a valid reason to need something |
| 09:14.32 | ThiefMaster | (only in legacy content ofc) |
| 09:14.34 | nevcairiel | you know need before greed is basically group loot just with slightly different roll options |
| 09:14.35 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:14.44 | VIad | they just renamed need before greed into group loot |
| 09:14.52 | VIad | that limits you so you cant need a agility weapon as warrior |
| 09:14.59 | VIad | even if you can equip it to unlock xmog :P |
| 09:15.18 | ls- | well, you can create a private group via LFG, convert it to raid and use group loot w/o any issues |
| 09:15.21 | VIad | so it just complicates transmog runs by adding this annoyance |
| 09:15.28 | VIad | group loot = need before greed |
| 09:15.36 | VIad | those stat limitations apply |
| 09:15.42 | VIad | you literally need to use ML :P |
| 09:15.45 | nevcairiel | there are no weapons in current content, and any old content you can run solo or with a very small group, so you can just clear up rules and everyone greeds or whatever :D |
| 09:15.52 | VIad | its hard |
| 09:16.17 | VIad | ideally you should ignore "need" and just use "greed" or "Pass" but always someone that pushes need because they can |
| 09:16.26 | nevcairiel | so kick them after the first time |
| 09:16.27 | nevcairiel | done |
| 09:16.36 | VIad | or just add the old 2 options |
| 09:16.42 | VIad | and default groups to "need before greed" |
| 09:16.50 | VIad | and let lead put it on group loot :d |
| 09:17.07 | VIad | or if its that horrible, add it like the ML rule, if you can ML; you can then also set it to the old school group loot |
| 09:17.23 | Simca | yeah it's really dumb you can't loot ranged weapons for example now as a warrior when soloing transmog runs |
| 09:17.34 | VIad | especially solo stuff, should always drop loot even if its a flex raid |
| 09:17.47 | VIad | flex raids don't go below 10 man in scaling but you might get only gold from a boss |
| 09:17.51 | Simca | unless you invite a friend's alt or something so that it's a group and you can choose loot type |
| 09:18.15 | VIad | the loot drops if <10 should assume 10 man and always award you a item :P |
| 09:18.26 | VIad | if you use PL while soloing stuff |
| 09:18.46 | Simca | they really didn't put a lot of thought into it since literally inviting offline alts lets you use the old system |
| 09:19.01 | Simca | so it's not like they intended to harm transmog runs or they wouldn't have left that avenue open |
| 09:19.25 | NuSuey | yay, finally found my warcraft tcg cards :D https://i.imgur.com/8fOdZdo.png |
| 09:20.01 | ls- | sell them for $$$ |
| 09:24.07 | NuSuey | well.. that or I have some offers for the DISCO ~ 2.8mil gold atm |
| 09:25.41 | VIad | Simca: they just need a casual xmog solo content runner to tune a bit how stuff work |
| 09:26.09 | VIad | that represents a huge margin of the solo players, heck even my super casual IRL friend barely plays but he DOES run some old stuff here and there |
| 09:26.22 | Simca | reddit will get angry about it and i'm sure it'll be fixed before i do my runs this week |
| 09:26.52 | Simca | worst case scenario i use a friend's alt like i suggested |
| 09:27.17 | ls- | Simca: https://i.imgur.com/auoTLEP.png works fine, just got a bunch of mail and plate on my mage... o_O |
| 09:27.34 | ls- | or am I misunderstanding the issue? |
| 09:27.41 | nevcairiel | heh, basically just create a oen-person group |
| 09:27.43 | nevcairiel | guess that w orks |
| 09:27.45 | Simca | lol |
| 09:27.52 | Simca | that's a hilarious workaround |
| 09:28.05 | ls- | it's been this way since.... I'm not even sure |
| 09:28.12 | nevcairiel | i keep forgetting that it actually puts you in a group even if noone else joins |
| 09:28.15 | Simca | it's never been needed before |
| 09:28.50 | nevcairiel | whats the point of private group finder groups anyway? who can join them? |
| 09:29.03 | Simca | people on your friends list only i think - battletag or real id |
| 09:31.11 | ThiefMaster | but i think th e drawback of being in a group - even if it's just you in there - is that you always get the roll UI instead of just being able to loot |
| 09:31.33 | ThiefMaster | and worse, probably items are marked as "tradable with people present during the kill", which means addons like scrap cannot auto-sell them to vendors |
| 09:31.52 | ls- | FFA, eh? |
| 09:32.02 | ThiefMaster | actually, is secure code involved there or could an addon skip the prompt confirming that the item will be come untradable when vendoring it? |
| 09:33.17 | ls- | there's addons for that, irrc |
| 09:33.26 | ls- | annoying popup remover or something like that |
| 09:33.31 | ls- | it's quite popular in WoD |
| 09:35.23 | ls- | yeah, FFA loot works just fine |
| 09:39.03 | NuSuey | btw is WoW struggling performance wise on windows to? been playing/streaming it on linux via wine, even tested how it performs on a hackintosh via vulkan..both are quite < 15-50fps .. on a ryzen 1600 & rx 560.. would love to know if its different on windows.. |
| 09:39.48 | Simca | i had a friend having some severe perf issues after the patch, but the rest of my raid was fine |
| 09:39.58 | Simca | so 1 person out of 18 |
| 09:53.57 | nevcairiel | there is always one person with weird issues in a raid |
| 09:54.09 | NuSuey | I'm saying .. legion.. tried it in metal at release with worse hw even, and it ran great.. nowadays.. pretty meh.. |
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| 10:07.35 | ls- | the only issue w/ transmog farming is still the same: flex size >_> |
| 10:07.56 | ls- | in 10ppl you get only 2 pieces of gear >_> |
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| 10:49.39 | Simca | well, the only issue other than the fact that people who don't cheese the system like you did are severely punished |
| 10:50.06 | Simca | by getting wildly less loot |
| 10:51.35 | ls- | I always thought it's a well-known method... o_O |
| 10:53.13 | Simca | never assume more than 20% of the player base knows a thing |
| 10:53.19 | Simca | you will never be disappointed |
| 11:08.09 | AcidWeb | So any official info about FPS massacre in raids? |
| 11:09.37 | Simca | out of the 18 people in my raid, only 1 was affected, fwiw |
| 11:10.23 | AcidWeb | well numbers in my guild look much worse |
| 11:10.52 | Simca | he and his wife both have identical PCs, so it has to be a software issue |
| 11:11.49 | Constie | Maybe only people with certain MAC addresses are affected. |
| 11:12.06 | Simca | MAC psuedo-bans, i like it |
| 11:12.11 | Semlar | maybe only people with broken addons are affected |
| 11:12.27 | Simca | what addons would break in a patch without a TOC change |
| 11:12.45 | nevcairiel | toc changes are not tied to api changes |
| 11:12.53 | Simca | they're supposed to be |
| 11:12.59 | nevcairiel | but they are not |
| 11:13.00 | Simca | but yes, you are right, they aren't always |
| 11:13.06 | nevcairiel | they just increment on major version changes |
| 11:13.12 | nevcairiel | its been years since we had any intermediate |
| 11:13.22 | Simca | only like 2 years. they did it for 6.2.3 iirc |
| 11:15.45 | nevcairiel | i dont see anything like that in the framexml archives |
| 11:17.39 | nevcairiel | the last "uncommon" one was 50001 (but 50000 was never used in release builds), and the last non-major change was 20003 in 2.0.3 |
| 11:17.49 | nevcairiel | unless i didnt find anything |
| 11:20.53 | ls- | Simca: I never assume that because I work w/ UX guys quite a lot, our UX teams always preaches that average user of any given piece of software is just bad |
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| 17:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | wtf |
| 17:02.18 | Mr_Rabies | all the azerite is flickering like a flourescent bulb |
| 17:03.41 | Funkeh` | has anyone heard of this issue some people are having where addon sounds are muted |
| 17:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | yep |
| 17:04.00 | Funkeh` | I've seen people complaing about fps drops, not personally seeing many complain about addon sounds |
| 17:04.00 | Mr_Rabies | hearkitty was losing its shit yesterday |
| 17:04.10 | Mr_Rabies | i had to disable it |
| 17:04.21 | Funkeh` | what does that even mean :D |
| 17:04.45 | Mr_Rabies | hearkitty makes sounds for combo points and other similar alternate resources |
| 17:04.53 | Mr_Rabies | with the patch it has all kinds of issues |
| 17:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | delays, skipping sounds, etc |
| 17:05.26 | Funkeh` | ok, that sounds more like potential errors with that specific addon |
| 17:05.35 | Mr_Rabies | it could be |
| 17:05.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing they re-prioritized game audio to be the highest priority no matter what |
| 17:06.36 | Funkeh` | I've not had any fps issues or sound issues, and not seen blizz comment on either, so trying to figure out what's causing a few people to report not hearing sounds, and if that issue stems from the low fps issue |
| 17:06.59 | Mr_Rabies | some people were having dbm issues too in my raid |
| 17:07.07 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is it's a sound channel issue |
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| 18:23.56 | Ssateneth | users: addon broken, plaz fix. author: on it. blizz what'd you change? blizz: we didn't change anything. author: ???????? users: WTF PLEZ FIX NAO I CANT RAID |
| 18:25.08 | Ssateneth | then author quits and addon goes defunct, everyone loses their shit because nobody wants to pick up updating the addon out of fear of getting a lawsuit from a guy who has quit |
| 18:28.20 | Funkeh` | ookay |
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| 18:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | the key is just steal most of the code and change the name, if the dude's going through that much work to crawl the internet for people "stealing" a thing he clearly has abandoned with the code clearly visible, you'd found a unicorn |
| 18:45.56 | Mr_Rabies | sell his blood to wizards for profit |
| 18:50.50 | foxlit | if you're going to invest the time, why not just write your own addon? |
| 18:52.53 | foxlit | that stealing portion just sounds unethical. |
| 19:05.53 | Ssateneth | wouldnt want anyone to gain some fake internet points or e-fame for copy pasting some code now, would we? |
| 19:08.04 | Mr_Rabies | unethical maybe, but the code's right there |
| 19:08.10 | Mr_Rabies | why reinvent the wheel? |
| 19:11.51 | Mr_Rabies | i mean yeah by all means, if you want, that's definitely the -right- way to do it |
| 19:12.23 | Mr_Rabies | but i'd rather have a functional addon with iffy rights than no addon at all |
| 19:15.53 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: why reinvent the wheel? << from a technical level, because you probably don't understand the wheel. |
| 19:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | i mean definitely, the best solution is a new addon that serves the purposes of the old one written from the ground up |
| 19:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | but there's a lot more people out there that repair tvs than manufacture them |
| 19:20.06 | foxlit | I'm not sure what the conclusion of that tv analogy is. |
| 19:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | addon authors don't grow on trees, they're a dying breed |
| 19:21.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's a lot more likely someone can come by and fix a broken adon than write a fresh one |
| 19:21.59 | foxlit | so "Addon - Updated by X - Fixed by Y - Cataclysm by Z" is the future? |
| 19:22.20 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much, that and "Addon - Abandoned by X" |
| 19:22.25 | Mr_Rabies | end of story |
| 19:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather see more of the former than the latter, between the two |
| 19:24.17 | foxlit | I think if you randomly picked an addon with the former style of title on wowi, it's far more likely that it doesn't work in the current version of wow than the latter. |
| 19:27.17 | foxlit | we produce far more new TVs than there are repaired TVs, so to say. |
| 19:29.03 | Mr_Rabies | which is good, but i've got several addons that are being held together with duct tape because there's no replacement yet after several years |
| 19:30.02 | Mr_Rabies | digging into githubs and manually fixing stuff |
| 19:31.17 | foxlit | Do you have some esoteric addon needs that aren't shared by most of the playerbase? |
| 19:31.27 | foxlit | (what is this underserved niche of addon functionality? :P) |
| 19:32.57 | Mr_Rabies | ive yet to find an addon that interfaces with adibags that also displays item levels on bags in a better way than Sylevel |
| 19:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | er on items in bags |
| 19:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm using a duct taped version of broker-orderhall, commented out some stuff that broke, uhhh |
| 19:35.53 | Mr_Rabies | some of them have either been passed to a different author or the author returned, but i had at least 5-6 that weren't the version available on curse because i never found a good alternatve |
| 19:37.09 | foxlit | so broadly, plugins for other addons. |
| 19:39.28 | Mr_Rabies | not always, but at the moment i suppose |
| 19:39.37 | Mr_Rabies | if you consider data broker a plugin |
| 20:23.31 | Mr_Rabies | taking selfies with raid bosses |
| 20:23.33 | Mr_Rabies | what is my life |
| 20:23.53 | ThiefMaster | ugh, this week's archaeology quest must have been coded by an intern |
| 20:24.05 | ThiefMaster | overlapping digsites that are completely bugged ;x |
| 20:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | i love running into the barely tested quests |
| 20:24.25 | Mr_Rabies | all of stormheim felt like there was a last minute rush to complete it at launch |
| 20:24.40 | Mr_Rabies | multiple weird default loading screens in a row, having to drop and restart the questline |
| 20:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | typos are generally the biggest sign of minimal testing |
| 20:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | the pre-nighthold questline was full of those |
| 20:25.27 | Mr_Rabies | typos, broken scripts, multiple versions of the same npc walking around, etc |
| 20:25.42 | ThiefMaster | now i'm at 3 available digsites, ALL of them bugged -> impossible to complete that quest |
| 20:25.54 | ThiefMaster | ah well, i guess they'll hotfix it soon enough (ie in a few weeks) |
| 20:25.56 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything to shuffle digsites in legion? |
| 20:26.15 | Mr_Rabies | i've done zero archaeology since pandaria, and barely any then |
| 20:26.36 | Mr_Rabies | it really shouldn't have become a secondary prof |
| 20:27.27 | Simca | saw this on MMOC forums Semlar |
| 20:27.28 | Simca | >A lot of different M+ keys got ripped last night because of bugs. The spider boss on Arcway never came down after killing all the little spiders. In VoTW, we had to try 4 times to get the first boss down - he just started evading attacks at random times and de-spawned after a while each time. In BrH, we couldn't leave the first room. In lower Kara, the horseman charged directly into a wall 2 times and became immune to attacks - managed |
| 20:27.29 | Simca | to kill him the third time. |
| 20:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's the plus of mythic plus |
| 20:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | mythic, plus bugs |
| 20:28.10 | Funkeh` | oh snap |
| 20:28.25 | Funkeh` | did you feel enhanced Simca |
| 20:30.04 | Simca | it's amazing how many dungeons are broken simultaneously |
| 20:30.22 | Simca | did you know that Zul'Farrak is dropping Zul'Gurub bijous, which were removed from the game in Cataclysm |
| 20:30.28 | Simca | it's amazing |
| 20:31.39 | Simca | in Scarlet Halls, the dogs that are supposed to kill the unkillable mobs that block the way never spawn |
| 20:31.55 | Funkeh` | look on the positive side |
| 20:32.07 | Funkeh` | all these things not working means less code, which means less RAM used |
| 20:36.46 | Thunder_Child | Well at leat TheDanW was correct, few addons were impacted.... |
| 20:36.56 | Thunder_Child | s/leat/least/ |
| 20:39.17 | Funkeh` | they traded the spellinfo changes for cutting out random bits of code to keep it under the 2gb |
| 20:40.13 | Mr_Rabies | <Simca> did you know that Zul'Farrak is dropping Zul'Gurub bijous, which were removed from the game in Cataclysm |
| 20:40.26 | Mr_Rabies | clearly just zandalari meddling |
| 20:40.46 | Mr_Rabies | (would actually be neat to see them return some of the removed content like this) |
| 20:40.53 | Mr_Rabies | like the old dungeon sets |
| 20:40.59 | Mr_Rabies | from scholo, etc |
| 20:41.26 | Mr_Rabies | not like, wildheart and whatnot, those are already ingame as xmogs at darkmoon faire |
| 20:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | but the ones that dropped in scholomance, bonedread armor? |
| 20:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | i forget |
| 20:42.28 | Mr_Rabies | deathbone, necropile, etc |
| 20:43.10 | Semlar | this is what happens when you try to modify the default backpack simca |
| 20:43.21 | Funkeh` | lul |
| 20:43.55 | Semlar | some things are better left undisturbed |
| 20:44.19 | TheDanW | i'm looking into the performance reports, especially with addons installed |
| 20:44.33 | Mr_Rabies | pretty soon we're gonna get popups saying "The Ice Stone has become Aggressive!" |
| 20:46.10 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: might the addon sounds being muted issue be related? |
| 20:47.01 | Mr_Rabies | we had some insane bugs in antorus - lots of effects were like 1.5 the size they normally are, the green lines on portal keeper just kept pulsing the entire fight |
| 20:47.23 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda love when stuff like that happens though, makes me nostalgic for the days of BWL on launch day |
| 20:48.27 | Funkeh` | someone made a typo somewhere |
| 20:49.27 | Simca | i had that audio bug also Funkeh`. i think it's a sound channel/sound priority problem |
| 20:50.29 | Funkeh` | i've always been at max and never had a problem, so unless the max isn't applying correctly or there's suddenly double the amount of sound effects... |
| 20:50.45 | Funkeh` | i tested it on a 25man lfr without issue, but had it on a 40man world boss |
| 20:51.05 | Simca | it's super noticeable on Antoran High Command for some reason |
| 20:52.49 | Funkeh` | although i'm sure previously if you were hitting the max the sound would play and "cut out" when another sound would overwrite it? Atm addon sounds are just totally mute |
| 20:53.27 | Simca | oh they work for me they just cut out often |
| 20:53.38 | Mr_Rabies | in the past there was an audio bug where all sounds would get cut off except maybe a handful |
| 20:53.46 | Simca | like DBM's countdown for Fusillade on AHC would go '... 2 ...' |
| 20:53.50 | Mr_Rabies | including sound effects, etc |
| 20:53.53 | Simca | like the 1 and 3 were muted but not the 2 |
| 20:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | so maybe they fixed that and sacrificed addon sounds to achieve it |
| 20:54.57 | Mr_Rabies | mine does more of that simca, though disabling another addon that does a lot of sounds mostly fixed it for me |
| 20:55.41 | Funkeh` | maybe the max sound channels isn't being properly respected |
| 20:55.45 | Simca | 3-4 people in my raid reported it and everyone besides me runs low numbers of addons |
| 20:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | our RL's dbm was hardly working at all sound wise, which is fun cause he's also the main tank |
| 20:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | we all just ate the huge tank aoe thing on the first boss |
| 20:58.29 | Mr_Rabies | our group is also unfortunately really reliant on him calling stuff out |
| 21:03.55 | Mr_Rabies | we still got 9 bosses down in one night on heroic so it wasnt the end of the world, lol |
| 21:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | dead realm problems :< |
| 21:23.29 | Semlar | does anyone here know anything about the encounter journal api, i'm trying to get a list of loot from a raid |
| 21:24.30 | Mr_Rabies | if you want an addon to poke around in and see how it works, check out bonusrollpreview |
| 21:24.31 | Semlar | i wrote an addon that did this like 3 years ago but it's long gone and i don't remember all of the quirks |
| 21:25.07 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bonusrollpreview |
| 21:25.18 | Semlar | i do remember having to unregister events from the encounter journal itself to keep it from responding to my api calls |
| 21:27.30 | Semlar | thanks, ironically i remember talking with p3lim about how these functions worked while he was writing that |
| 21:30.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.18 | ls- | "i can't remember what i called my own addon", lol :D |
| 21:31.33 | Semlar | you'd be surprised how often this happens to me |
| 21:31.52 | nevcairiel | you should use super descriptive names that basically state what it does |
| 21:31.58 | nevcairiel | then you can always pick it in a list |
| 21:32.14 | Semlar | you'd think that, but it doesn't always work |
| 21:33.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.27 | Semlar | i lied, i found it, it was called Lootable |
| 21:34.13 | foxlit | meh, brp still ships a hardcoded spell ID -> EJ map. |
| 21:35.42 | Semlar | mostly i'm just dreading having to potentially deal with the item cache trying to scan through this thing |
| 21:35.50 | foxlit | I wonder if the built-in one is still being silly. |
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| 21:54.56 | ALPHATT | hey guys |
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| 21:55.10 | ALPHATT | Ive been searching up and down and cant find a solution. |
| 21:55.32 | ALPHATT | Does anyone know, how to enable a threat border on unitframes in Pitbull 4? |
| 21:55.44 | ALPHATT | Similar to the default one. |
| 21:56.04 | ALPHATT | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX5PL_9R8zc&t=556s |
| 21:56.29 | ALPHATT | Im pretty sure this guy uses elvui, and that uses PB4 to my knowledge, and he has a threat border on his party frames |
| 21:56.32 | ALPHATT | how? |
| 21:56.33 | Resike | TheDanW: Any chance for x-realm addon communication, without broadcast? |
| 22:08.48 | [TOM_RUS] | yeah would be cool, addon cross realm WHISPER silently fails and never arrives to target, seems like a bug |
| 22:11.57 | p3lim | Semlar: what do you need to know |
| 22:13.08 | Semlar | just which functions to call to scan through the EJ to get all of the gear, but i found my old addon so it should have it |
| 22:13.16 | p3lim | alright |
| 22:14.07 | Semlar | what's the formula for getting the level of items that will drop from a mythic plus |
| 22:14.51 | p3lim | I have no clue, coins don't work there so I never had to account for that |
| 22:15.34 | Semlar | i think it's whatever the base mythic item level is + 5 for every keystone level |
| 22:15.38 | foxlit | https://mythicpl.us/#loot-stuff |
| 22:15.39 | Semlar | but i don't know what the base is |
| 22:15.42 | p3lim | something like that |
| 22:16.09 | Semlar | i don't think this chart is right |
| 22:16.51 | foxlit | what you mean is "I don't like how this chart doesn't fit my elegant formula" |
| 22:16.58 | p3lim | :p |
| 22:17.35 | Resike | <[TOM_RUS]> Yeah it makes no sense that you can send direct info by whispers outside of a battlegroup, just not addon msg whisper. |
| 22:19.06 | Semlar | well, i say that because what someone told me was that they changed it from having no difference between 2 different keystone levels to increasing by 5 every time to give you a reason to run one over the other |
| 22:19.34 | Semlar | instead of having every 2 levels drop the same level of gear |
| 22:21.08 | foxlit | well, if loot caps at level 15, and starts at level 2, you want to assign 14 different item levels. |
| 22:21.35 | foxlit | if the top is really 940, and you're right, the bottom is 875. |
| 22:22.08 | Semlar | what do regular mythics drop |
| 22:23.04 | foxlit | Mythics drop 885 |
| 22:23.50 | Semlar | so what is it adding something like 3.5ish every level and then rounding it down to the nearest 5? |
| 22:24.27 | Semlar | nah it would have to be less than that |
| 22:25.00 | Semlar | alright i have no idea how it's rounding this |
| 22:25.36 | Semlar | after 9, it's adding 5 for every level |
| 22:25.44 | Semlar | below that, it is not increasing at the same rate |
| 22:26.19 | Semlar | alright i don't care how this works, i'll just hardcode a table |
| 22:27.55 | Semlar | so it just caps at 15? there's no reason to do anything above that? |
| 22:28.10 | foxlit | more items drop per run at higher levels. |
| 22:28.59 | Semlar | i was just wondering because 15 really doesn't seem that difficult |
| 22:29.21 | Semlar | and when i stopped playing, a 15 would have been ridiculously hard to complete |
| 22:30.26 | Semlar | in 2 days i already have a higher average item level than the base drop in the highest mythic+ |
| 22:31.28 | foxlit | average item level is kind of meaningless. |
| 22:31.48 | Semlar | is it |
| 22:32.14 | foxlit | legendaries and artifacts mess with it; it'd be more interesting to quote the number of slots you can't upgrade with m+ base drops. |
| 22:33.18 | Semlar | i could upgrade most of my gear with 940 |
| 22:33.22 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: need more info on the addon sounds getting cut out thing, is it 100%? is there a MWE? |
| 22:34.13 | Semlar | my friend said he had to turn off weak auras in his raid last night because one of his auras was dropping his frame rate to 10 fps |
| 22:34.31 | Semlar | not from throwing errors, but something that must have changed in the hotfixed |
| 22:34.37 | Semlar | hotfix* |
| 22:34.49 | TheDanW | i'm 99% certain that the performance issues are unrelated to the sounds being dropped |
| 22:35.17 | Semlar | yeah i didn't think they were related, i was just trying to help him figure out what's causing it |
| 22:35.45 | Semlar | i didn't think there was much in the way of interface changes |
| 22:36.25 | Semlar | i thought maybe some event was firing a lot |
| 22:38.18 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: MWE? I feel like you're trying to ask if it's reproducable but there's no R in there |
| 22:39.01 | Funkeh` | The only way I could reproduce it was with sfx on in a 40man raid doing the weekly invasion boss, afaik bigwigs was the only addon playing sounds |
| 22:39.20 | Funkeh` | it was totally mute until i toggled off sfx |
| 22:41.44 | Funkeh` | it plays on the master channel, sound channels and cache both set to highest |
| 22:43.18 | TheDanW | minimal working example |
| 22:44.03 | TheDanW | you only play on master? |
| 22:44.11 | Funkeh` | yup |
| 22:45.31 | Funkeh` | https://abload.de/img/soundszjpa8.png |
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| 22:48.00 | Funkeh` | PlaySoundFile(path, "Master") |
| 22:50.02 | Funkeh` | not sure what else to give |
| 22:50.34 | Funkeh` | it was on the Matron Folnuna invasion boss and used the LFG tool to get a group of 40 so there was obv a lot of sfx playing |
| 22:51.38 | [TOM_RUS] | I did 30 man heroic antorus yesterday, like 50% or more of DBM sound warnings were getting cut |
| 22:52.45 | [TOM_RUS] | and garbage FPS on top of that for everyone in raid |
| 22:53.13 | Funkeh` | i've not had the fps issue, so i guess they aren't related |
| 22:55.02 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: when you say "it was totally mute until i toggled off sfx" you mean it stopped playing until you went into options and toggled it? then it started again? |
| 22:55.46 | Funkeh` | the addon sounds were totally mute, i toggled the sfx button off, and the addon sounds started playing fine |
| 22:55.59 | Funkeh` | "Sound Effects" |
| 22:56.56 | Funkeh` | note that it was fine on my 25 man LFR, probably because of less people and less sounds |
| 22:57.55 | Funkeh` | it might be that the cut off point varies from pc to pc for whatever reason |
| 22:58.25 | TheDanW | gotcha |
| 23:06.17 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: also worth noting that we force sound channels to be at least 64, so that's a consistent setting on our users despite them not all experiencing this, due to a previous issue a while back with addon sounds getting cut out, which may or may not have been fixed. Regardless, the solution back then was 64 channels. |
| 23:19.47 | Mr_Rabies | gonna try running just hearkitty to see if that's enough |
| 23:20.41 | Semlar | foxlit: townlong-yak appears to be down |
| 23:29.52 | Mr_Rabies | nah, running hearkitty by itself isn't enough, but it definitely suffers when in a raid with dbm and other audio-heavy addons are present |
| 23:30.59 | Funkeh` | maybe we need to start pushing 128 channels :D |
| 23:31.21 | Mr_Rabies | mine maxes at 64 in the settings, is that normal |
| 23:31.42 | Funkeh` | yes, afaik you need to use the cvar to put it higher |
| 23:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | gonna try that for raid night |
| 23:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | and see how that goes |
| 23:32.13 | Mr_Rabies | er raid tonight |
| 23:39.32 | Mr_Rabies | had no clue you could go over 64 |
| 23:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | wow's sound engine seems like a pretty wild house of cards with an entire actual house duct taped to the side |
| 23:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | well now my rear channel of surround is like, kaput |
| 23:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | okay |
| 23:43.31 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait that's unrelated to wow i think |
| 23:44.00 | Mr_Rabies | oh, yeah the cable's unplugged from the amp |
| 23:44.52 | Mr_Rabies | hey there we go, it works better when it's plugged in |
