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| 15:33.25 | Semlar | foxlit: i noticed this gem on the ui forum https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/1127130093?page=2#post-23 |
| 15:33.43 | Semlar | "I don't really know anything about Townlong Yak and the only info that I'm able to dig up is that they have an HTTPS issue and their IP is on a spam blacklist. (probably nothing, but why risk it?)" |
| 15:34.01 | Semlar | and proceeds to link to TOM_RUS's github |
| 15:40.12 | foxlit | does either of those claims have any substance to it? |
| 15:41.05 | Semlar | i have no idea what they're talking about, the site works fine for me |
| 15:42.16 | AcidWeb | There is no problems with SSL configuration on your page. |
| 15:42.40 | AcidWeb | well HSTS is set to less than 180 days but i hardly call it a problem |
| 15:43.03 | Semlar | i don't know how you would even look up whether an ip address has been "blacklisted for spam" by someone |
| 15:43.13 | Funkeh` | https://observatory.mozilla.org/analyze.html?host=www.townlong-yak.com&third-party=false |
| 15:45.06 | Semlar | i like that this counts against you for not implementing a bunch of outdated and meaningless security measures |
| 15:45.37 | Funkeh` | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.townlong-yak.com cert2 seems odd, maybe that's what he means |
| 15:46.19 | AcidWeb | It is part of chain - what is odd there? |
| 15:46.38 | foxlit | No, it's the non-SNI cert. |
| 15:46.39 | AcidWeb | ah right - second one |
| 15:47.27 | AcidWeb | Everything that count support SNI already. |
| 15:47.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.30 | AcidWeb | Person who made this test was sniffing glue. |
| 15:49.16 | Funkeh` | not really, it is not designed as a generic test like ssllabs, it's for those that want to take it further |
| 15:50.16 | Semlar | 10 points off for not using mozilla's proprietary contribute.json file |
| 15:51.26 | Semlar | i feel like i got a different test |
| 15:53.00 | foxlit | Semlar: i don't know how you would even look up whether an ip address has been "blacklisted for spam" by someone << there are public dns-based blacklists that can be used as a signal in spam filtering, but meh. |
| 15:53.36 | AcidWeb | Well I found your IP number only on list of known tor nodes. |
| 15:53.54 | Semlar | stop hacking foxlit |
| 15:54.23 | foxlit | says more about that list, imo. |
| 15:57.14 | Funkeh` | sectoor TOR blacklist tor.dnsbl.sectoor.de |
| 15:57.19 | Funkeh` | that's the only thing it's on |
| 15:58.17 | Funkeh` | there is a separate list for exit nodes, so I guess that list is for bridges? |
| 15:58.24 | Funkeh` | shrug |
| 15:59.22 | foxlit | "Every node gets listed twice: |
| 15:59.22 | foxlit | - The IP running the tor server itself |
| 15:59.23 | foxlit | - Class C Networks which include the tor server" |
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| 17:42.35 | Semlar | how do you change where warcraft is installed, if i try to pick a different folder in the launcher it tells me it doesn't contain the correct version of the game |
| 17:43.45 | Semlar | i deleted the version of the game in the location it's currently using |
| 17:43.59 | Semlar | i just want it to install somewhere else |
| 17:44.15 | Thunder_Child | If you are reinstalling it should ask. |
| 17:44.37 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.39 | Thunder_Child | Hmmm, maybe not. It does have a default install dir. |
| 17:45.23 | Semlar | there's a button to "use a different folder" next to the install, but it doesn't appear to work unless you actually already have the game installed to another directory |
| 17:45.27 | Semlar | which doesn't make any sense |
| 17:45.30 | Mr_Rabies | ohh |
| 17:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | close the client and then close the agent process, see if that gives you the "install" option |
| 17:46.10 | Mr_Rabies | instead of "play" |
| 17:46.12 | foxlit | Firefox just kind of disabled the entire thing, while Chrome and Safari end up requesting the json twice :/ |
| 17:46.43 | Semlar | well, it wants to update the installation that i mostly deleted, and i don't want it to reinstall where it was |
| 17:47.41 | Constie | I think you can move the files you have to where you want it to be and point the installer to there. |
| 17:49.13 | Semlar | i think copying the old exe to the new directory was enough to make it work |
| 17:49.38 | Semlar | i'm not sure, i copied everything that wasn't in a subfolder |
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| 17:51.28 | Semlar | the ptr appears to just be dead forever so i'm back to reinstalling the game |
| 17:52.51 | Semlar | it would be nice if i could check if my addons were still working without having to actually resub |
| 17:53.04 | Mr_Rabies | you can try <20 characters for free |
| 17:53.17 | Semlar | yeah, i'm stuck on a level 2 alt |
| 17:53.29 | Semlar | that doesn't quite give me access to the same things the PTR did |
| 17:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | and you can join the guilds your other chars are in |
| 17:53.50 | Mr_Rabies | but otherwise yeah pretty limited :( |
| 17:54.55 | Semlar | i like that the game is "playable" with about 2% downloaded |
| 17:55.38 | Mr_Rabies | i need to purge my folder sometime too |
| 17:55.54 | Mr_Rabies | but 45GB on 6 Mbit, with a 150GB data cap |
| 17:56.10 | Semlar | i tried to skip a cutscene and it appears to have closed itself |
| 17:56.11 | Mr_Rabies | mine's ballooned up to 60GB right now |
| 17:56.35 | Semlar | play button is back to being greyed out |
| 17:57.00 | Semlar | i guess it decided it wasn't really ready to be played |
| 17:59.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.28 | Semlar | i'm thinking about making a GnomeSequencer Lite that just scans through your spellbook and puts everything into a castrandom macro |
| 18:02.20 | Semlar | you won't have to actually configure anything, and it'll automatically replace all of your buttons with the macro |
| 18:03.53 | Constie | I'd use that for leveling alts. |
| 18:04.35 | foxlit | you have like 3 worthwhile abilities while levelling alts. |
| 18:04.45 | Semlar | i think it could be at least 80% as effective as actually picking your own spells to cast |
| 18:05.02 | Mr_Rabies | i had a cool thing when i got mind controlled back in tbc/wrath where it would always cast teleport:moonglade |
| 18:05.12 | Constie | That's why it'd be more fun, foxlit! |
| 18:05.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'd have to scream at people to interrupt me |
| 18:05.55 | Semlar | i got stuck at IsHarmfulSpell not actually returning whether a spell is an attack or not and immediately gave up on the whole thing |
| 18:05.58 | Mr_Rabies | eventually they seemed to blacklist casting things over a certain cast time |
| 18:05.59 | foxlit | Doing something entirely useless half the time is fun? :P |
| 18:07.11 | Ssateneth | like farming AP only to lose it all in the coming weeks |
| 18:07.16 | Constie | With the right set of expectations, yes. |
| 18:07.21 | Semlar | blizzard should trigger the global cooldown whenever you try to cast a spell even if it doesn't go off |
| 18:07.36 | Ssateneth | uh |
| 18:07.48 | Ssateneth | so mash buttons = you do no spells |
| 18:07.52 | Semlar | yes |
| 18:08.07 | Ssateneth | now you have to time the buttons and if you dont time it perfectly, you're automatically trash |
| 18:08.18 | Semlar | exactly |
| 18:08.23 | Constie | Finally WoW would take some skill. |
| 18:08.33 | Ssateneth | "must have logs with <2% downtime or no invite" |
| 18:11.35 | Semlar | there used to be a "this is how you play your spec" page in the spellbook that would have been useful to pull core spells from for this but i guess they gave up on that |
| 18:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's in the talent selection frame instead |
| 18:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | or spec |
| 18:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.imgur.com/RvX49jR.png |
| 18:12.59 | Semlar | there's an overview of like 6 spec-specific spells in the spec selection frame |
| 18:13.24 | Semlar | but there was literally a page that told you what you were supposed to be casting |
| 18:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | oh lol |
| 18:13.42 | Semlar | it was kind of like icy-veins |
| 18:13.45 | Mr_Rabies | i thought this was basically the same thing without the text |
| 18:14.08 | Semlar | this is close, but not really the same |
| 18:16.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think the problem before was class design changes were outpacing their ability to keep up with the copy |
| 18:16.07 | Mr_Rabies | so you'd wind up with terrible advice |
| 18:16.27 | Semlar | yeah it's probably more work to maintain than is worth it |
| 18:17.57 | foxlit | there was never a usable level of detail in those windows. |
| 18:18.15 | Semlar | it was alright for getting started when you didn't know anything about a spec |
| 18:19.02 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/5.2/GlobalStrings.lua#5599 |
| 18:23.18 | Semlar | what more could you need |
| 18:24.03 | foxlit | I have a faint suspicion that that "below 20% health" ability is Kill Shot. |
| 18:24.26 | Semlar | "use when available" and "use when nothing else is available" is like 95% of everything you need to know |
| 18:25.00 | Semlar | if an addon could detect what's on cooldown it could play at least as well as most players i imagine |
| 18:26.04 | foxlit | drag all abilities that say "damage" to your action bar and press whatever is castable. |
| 18:26.46 | Semlar | i actually wrote an IsAttackSpell function that basically just looked for a number followed by "damage" in the same sentence |
| 18:26.54 | Semlar | but it would only work for english |
| 18:28.06 | Semlar | and possibly would run into some damage absorbing spells causing fringe issues, i didn't look over every spell in the game |
| 18:28.35 | foxlit | as for what else I could need: relative priorities between abilities, some indication of what creates and consumes resources, typical sequence of attacks. |
| 18:28.54 | Semlar | my typical sequence of attacks involves me rolling my face on the keyboard |
| 18:29.16 | foxlit | See, I wouldn't call "roll your face on the keyboard" a useful guide. |
| 18:29.33 | Semlar | look, i play a hunter |
| 18:29.42 | Semlar | exclusively |
| 18:29.53 | foxlit | past tense. |
| 18:29.59 | foxlit | ;P |
| 18:30.01 | Semlar | alright i played a hunter |
| 18:30.28 | Semlar | i identify as a hunter |
| 18:30.37 | foxlit | "and I'm rolling need on that Thunderfury, dammit." |
| 18:30.52 | Semlar | that should have been one of our artifacts |
| 18:31.15 | Semlar | i'm not going to say which spec |
| 18:32.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.17 | foxlit | Someone should just make an addon that imports a sane action bar setup for each spec. |
| 18:32.31 | Semlar | Waiting |
| 18:33.11 | Semlar | 1/5 of my optimal dps time |
| 18:34.10 | foxlit | I did the artifact intro scenario on an undergeared (<LFR garrison tokens) marksman hunter without a pet :( |
| 18:34.44 | Semlar | i also did it without a pet |
| 18:34.45 | foxlit | WHY DOES THIS SILLY CLASS NOT HAVE A HEAL :( |
| 18:34.58 | Semlar | what a good question |
| 18:35.12 | foxlit | [awesome time to discover you're not carrying any food either] |
| 18:35.17 | Semlar | technically we have a heal, it's just on a 2 minute cooldown or something and not very good |
| 18:35.40 | Semlar | why do you think i'm constantly dying |
| 18:35.57 | foxlit | undergeared for the content you're attempting. |
| 18:36.28 | Semlar | alright that might be part of it |
| 18:36.33 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.43 | Semlar | i should have just rolled a warlock |
| 18:38.52 | Mr_Rabies | i hope demo gets ome fun in bfa |
| 18:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | having to sit there and hardcast slow casts constantly to babysit is annoying |
| 18:39.19 | Semlar | they kind of ruined hunters for me |
| 18:39.24 | foxlit | question: haven't we exhausted their demon supply by killing the legion? |
| 18:39.31 | Constie | The class trial combat tutorials are pretty good for basics. |
| 18:40.09 | Semlar | part of why i liked playing a hunter was getting all the fun jobs in a raid kiting things around and stuff |
| 18:40.15 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of people are saying they don't like hunters, but i love beast mastery |
| 18:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | it feels like a better version of beast mastery from wod and prior |
| 18:41.14 | Semlar | but they kind of stopped designing boss fights that needed me to do anything like that |
| 18:41.23 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't tried marksmanship, but i like that they made each spec unique even if they're not perfect |
| 18:41.26 | Constie | Also it's like almost impossible to die early as Shadow, thanks to Dispersion. Even I rarely do it. |
| 18:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | dispersion should be automatic, but when it happens you hear the void screaming at you until it fades |
| 18:42.06 | Mr_Rabies | so you just have to sit there in your personal hell |
| 18:42.28 | Mr_Rabies | at 1% health the void's like OKAY BUDDY THIS ONE'S FREE ALSO AREN'T TENTACLES GREAT |
| 18:42.48 | Semlar | i honestly feel like hunters should do more damage considering they literally can't do anything else |
| 18:43.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather give them something else than make a class just better than everyone else |
| 18:44.05 | foxlit | everybody gets a healing spec! |
| 18:44.30 | Semlar | i don't know what the current state is, but when i was playing, if you compared a hunter and a warlock that were equally geared and skilled, they'd do pretty similar damage, maybe even have the warlock doing more |
| 18:44.34 | foxlit | hunters' can be like "here, eat this mushroom" |
| 18:44.39 | Semlar | except the warlock was also unkillable |
| 18:44.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'd like to see a beast mastery option that lets you actually offtank in raids for a short period of time |
| 18:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | a version of eyes of the beast where you actually directly control your pet |
| 18:45.11 | Mr_Rabies | and your character basically goes on autopilot during the duration |
| 18:45.20 | foxlit | dies to the first void zone. |
| 18:45.28 | Constie | Shoot friendly players, with arrows that inject healing potions. |
| 18:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | OH GOD IT HEALED OVER THE ARROW WOUND |
| 18:45.49 | Semlar | basically what i'm saying is survival should have been a tanking spec |
| 18:45.59 | Mr_Rabies | it probably should, yeah |
| 18:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | using traps and stuff to get weird with kites and damage |
| 18:46.27 | Semlar | i would have played a tanking spec |
| 18:46.33 | Semlar | it would have been a welcome addition |
| 18:47.02 | Semlar | not a melee spec that did actually less damage than my ranged spec with a more complicated rotation |
| 18:47.17 | Constie | Cooler, though. |
| 18:47.20 | Semlar | and no survivability, ironically |
| 18:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i do think survival should be retooled as a tank spec, definitely, now that you mention it |
| 18:48.09 | Semlar | i want a 4th hunter spec that involves me healing other players exclusively through bandages |
| 18:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | survival spec now requires you complete the boy scout first aid course |
| 18:49.14 | Mr_Rabies | but really though i don't really understand why they thought another agi melee spec was interesting |
| 18:49.42 | foxlit | would it have been better if it was a str melee spec? |
| 18:50.04 | Semlar | it's not that it's not interesting, it's quirky and appeals to someone out there who probably isn't already playing a hunter |
| 18:50.17 | Semlar | because the people who were playing hunters didn't make one to play a melee dps |
| 18:50.30 | foxlit | maybe you really really loved Raptor Strike or something. |
| 18:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXafThjCaS4 |
| 18:50.37 | Mr_Rabies | survival hunter tank healing ^ |
| 18:50.58 | Semlar | i played survival a few times |
| 18:50.59 | Constie | I do think it'd be nice if every class had at least one non-DPS spec and somehow equal but different and flavorful utility, because having a hybrid/utility tax makes some people unhappy for legit reasons and not having one makes other people unhappy for legit reasons. |
| 18:51.21 | Semlar | i didn't really like the rotation in general |
| 18:51.45 | Mr_Rabies | the problem is the only thing that many of the pure dps classes could add is some weird form of tanking to fit their kit |
| 18:51.46 | Semlar | there were an excessive number of buttons |
| 18:51.55 | Mr_Rabies | mages maybe could have a time-based healing rotation |
| 18:52.08 | Semlar | and i don't like talents adding more buttons on top of the overwhelming number of buttons i already have |
| 18:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | basically locally reversing time to heal wounds of the party |
| 18:52.12 | Constie | That and it'd be a huge amount of work and impossible to actually balance. |
| 18:52.50 | Mr_Rabies | warlocks could have leech healing but |
| 18:53.01 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 18:53.28 | Mr_Rabies | you'd have to make a fourth spec for most of them except maybe survival |
| 18:53.36 | Constie | My Hunter alt is Survival because I like its flavor the most of the Hunter specs, and maybe all melee. |
| 18:54.13 | Mr_Rabies | since the 3 existing specs are pretty unique and interesting for most now |
| 18:55.55 | Mr_Rabies | welp, everyone in hawaii just got a ballistic missile warning on their phones |
| 18:56.09 | Mr_Rabies | false alarm |
| 18:56.11 | Mr_Rabies | but jeez |
| 18:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | took them 30 minutes to send out a false alarm message |
| 19:04.20 | Semlar | and what am i supposed to do about a missile warning |
| 19:05.07 | foxlit | report to the nearest vault. |
| 19:08.09 | Constie | Seems like a good opportunity for looting. |
| 19:09.31 | Mr_Rabies | https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpsprodpb/8258/production/_99586333_missle.jpg |
| 19:09.36 | Mr_Rabies | imagine waking up to this |
| 19:10.34 | Semlar | yeah well the next time a ballistic warning goes out i'm not going to believe them because the last one was a lie |
| 19:11.04 | Semlar | but seriously is all of hawaii supposed to "seek shelter" from an incoming missile or what |
| 19:12.38 | Semlar | the warframe devstream got cut short yesterday because they had to evacuate the building when the fire alarm started going off |
| 19:12.47 | Semlar | they ignored it for about 10 minutes |
| 19:14.23 | Semlar | this is the problem with these things, nobody thinks there's an actual fire when there's a fire alarm going off because it's more likely that there isn't one |
| 19:15.09 | Semlar | also it turned out later that there wasn't a fire, no surprise there |
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| 22:36.23 | Semlar | alright, so it looks like this netherlight crucible thing adds item levels to your artifact that don't show up when other people inspect you? |
| 22:36.46 | Semlar | anyone know how to actually get the real item level of a person's weapon now? |
| 22:37.06 | Funkeh` | are you sure you're not looking at someone with 2 items and getting confused |
| 22:37.13 | Funkeh` | that was always a problem since day 1 |
| 22:37.14 | Semlar | quite sure |
| 22:37.32 | Semlar | it doesn't even show up with the correct item level for the person linking the item in the chat |
| 22:38.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.50 | Semlar | it doesn't show THEIR OWN item with the correct item level when they link it |
| 22:39.20 | Semlar | and when you inspect someone, it shows their weapon 15 item levels lower than it really is |
| 22:40.07 | Constie | Compare their actual health to what they should have if the gear you see is right, and scale the weapon's item level up to account for the difference. |
| 22:40.40 | Semlar | that would be pretty hard to actually do |
| 22:40.58 | Constie | Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 22:41.07 | Semlar | any other ideas |
| 22:41.39 | Semlar | is there some way to detect that they've used this thing to upgrade their gear |
| 22:42.43 | Semlar | TheDanW: how come netherlight crucible upgraded items don't show the correct item level for other players |
| 22:43.08 | Semlar | you did this just to break my addon, right? |
| 22:43.17 | Semlar | this is a personal thing? |
| 22:44.26 | Mr_Rabies | there's gotta be some way the tooltip knows the real item level, yeah? |
| 22:44.54 | Semlar | it doesn't show the right item level when you're inspecting someone |
| 22:45.18 | Mr_Rabies | oh, even in the ingame tooltip? |
| 22:45.18 | Semlar | it only works for their own weapon in the equipment screen |
| 22:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | i see |
| 22:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | good news is it'll be gone in a few months :v |
| 22:45.48 | Mr_Rabies | which is probably why blizzard cbf to fix it |
| 22:45.54 | Semlar | like this guy's weapon is 931, i'm looking at them and it shows as 916 |
| 22:46.04 | Semlar | if they link it, it's 916 for them too |
| 22:46.21 | Semlar | so i'm assuming the link doesn't contain the data for this |
| 22:46.32 | Semlar | it's done on the back end in the tooltip code |
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