| 00:04.00 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/25807/ChatFrame.lua/diff does this mean you've changed your mind on DoesSpellExist() ? |
| 00:06.06 | nevcairiel | all those changes seem to be reverting back to build 25678, i wouldnt put too much meaning into all of that, maybe the extract was bad in places or some merge was funny |
| 00:18.20 | Chipzz | 23:41 < nevcairiel> but windows opengl support has been super terrible since a few expansions anyway |
| 00:18.29 | Chipzz | so has OSX opengl support |
| 00:19.06 | Gnarfoz | thanks to macOS's opengl being far worse/older than what's available on Windows, afaik |
| 00:19.11 | Chipzz | I essentially had to stop raiding because half of the ground effects were not displaying at all |
| 00:19.57 | Chipzz | even a fallback like just using a solid color would have been nice, but meh |
| 00:30.20 | Torhal | Chipzz: They support Metal now. |
| 00:30.59 | Gnarfoz | \m/ |
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| 00:34.13 | TheDanW | all the async spell changes were reverted, so yes these were intentionally reverted |
| 00:34.36 | TheDanW | we decided to prioritize stability for now, that means minimizing changes even if they are probably ok |
| 00:35.50 | Chipzz | Torhal: but my imac doesn't. old model |
| 00:36.00 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 00:36.14 | Chipzz | and my macbookpro does support it, but it's too slow to be playable |
| 00:36.27 | Torhal | Yeah, I'm sure my older one wouldn't either. Thankfully I just use it as a second display now. >.> |
| 00:36.28 | Chipzz | so no more raiding until I get new HW |
| 00:37.06 | Chipzz | a real pitty, big-ass screen, and very good FPS actually |
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| 00:37.22 | Gnarfoz | is that not just a software thing? or does Apple want more money from you |
| 00:37.23 | Chipzz | slow HDD so loading times are from hell, but once it's loaded it's fine |
| 00:37.39 | Chipzz | the GPU is too old |
| 00:38.02 | Chipzz | Mid 2011 model :P |
| 00:38.07 | Chipzz | can't complain, really |
| 00:39.14 | Chipzz | that GPU wouldn't support recent DX on windows either I suspect |
| 00:40.05 | Gnarfoz | it would just support fewer features, it would still work with the current API |
| 00:40.42 | Chipzz | but I suspect wow would use unsupported features in DX |
| 00:40.53 | Chipzz | maybe I should try but meh, don't feel like dual-booting :P |
| 00:41.11 | Chipzz | I hate windows :P |
| 00:41.21 | Gnarfoz | unsupported features, wha |
| 00:41.47 | Chipzz | *unsupported on my GPU |
| 00:41.51 | Chipzz | in case that wasn't clear :P |
| 00:42.06 | Gnarfoz | doubtful, since at the moment it even has a d3d9 renderer, still |
| 00:42.34 | Chipzz | is that kept up to date? |
| 00:42.37 | Gnarfoz | (the possible future abolition of which started this topic earlier) |
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| 03:08.36 | bluspacecow | #thatfeeling when you finally reset your password to Wowinterface and discover a private message from Sept , 2016 with upated data files for an addon you abadoned in 2013 |
| 03:08.45 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 03:09.00 | bluspacecow | omg the link is still valid |
| 03:09.01 | bluspacecow | https://mega.nz/#!TgpgCSqC!ZDjkFmC6zBubHaVwkgcn1xvgejOmvyOLAH6YvwT8AdA |
| 03:09.21 | Semlar | stop hacking bluspacecow |
| 03:09.28 | bluspacecow | at least current as of sept 2016 |
| 03:10.30 | bluspacecow | https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2363561-Would-you-like-an-addon-In-which-you-could-replace-most-Ingame-sounds-with-sounds?p=48591602&viewfull=1#post48591602 |
| 03:10.34 | bluspacecow | sounds like a challenge |
| 03:12.15 | Semlar | i wrote an addon a couple years ago that played various tim allen grunts when you got crits and stuff |
| 03:14.07 | Semlar | i didn't upload it because i wasn't real sure about the legal ramifications of embedding recordings of tim allen's voice in an addon |
| 03:17.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.50 | nebula169 | should have recorded them yourself, obviously |
| 03:30.51 | Semlar | but i'm not tim allen |
| 03:30.59 | nebula169 | you can pretend to be |
| 03:31.27 | Semlar | also i did make the clips, i just took them from episodes of home improvement |
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| 04:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | having to do the balance of power quest on alts for the appearance makes me want to eat my own head |
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| 08:57.08 | nevcairiel | Chipzz: the mid-2011 imac has a DX11/OpenGL 4.1 GPU, there is no technical reason why it would be "too old", other then apple wanting more money from you |
| 08:57.48 | Kalroth | that's a pretty good reason tho |
| 08:59.08 | nevcairiel | they set the cut-off at some 2012 models for whatever reason |
| 09:00.26 | nevcairiel | apparently require GCN AMD GPUs, which the 2011 model didnt have yet |
| 09:01.23 | nevcairiel | In any case the mid-2011 imac would fullfill the requirements to run WoW on Windows, DX11 gpu with SM5 :) |
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| 11:50.28 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: hmmm that's good to know |
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| 12:40.36 | VIad | I wish blizz updated the GL support as a more performance friendly renderer instead of dx |
| 12:40.53 | VIad | forcing GL mode its like the worst thing ever, obviously not updated in ages :d |
| 12:42.21 | VIad | those warnings I guess turn into errors by the launch of bfa :d |
| 12:45.20 | nevcairiel | more like with 8.0, but thats their point, inform people beforehand that its going to stop working |
| 12:48.35 | VIad | hope for 8.x that graphic options no matter what setting will always show boss mechanic and indicators :) |
| 12:48.58 | VIad | tired of having people not seing some effects, and it's their graphic options/playing on toaster potatoes of machines |
| 12:49.26 | Semlar | they should make the default settings hide core boss mechanics |
| 12:49.41 | VIad | :D |
| 12:49.49 | VIad | would be hilarious |
| 12:50.14 | VIad | everything is now indicated only if you manually set particle effects to the max, otherwise no boss mechanics are indicated in the world |
| 12:50.43 | Semlar | the setting will be too advanced to include in the interface options so you'll have to use a slash command to enable it |
| 12:51.04 | VIad | they should just change the graphic panel to only show the preset slider |
| 12:51.07 | VIad | and just hide the other options |
| 12:51.14 | VIad | streamline the interface |
| 12:51.23 | Semlar | good idea |
| 12:51.28 | nevcairiel | what would that change, the low presets still dont include the boss stuff =p |
| 12:51.52 | Semlar | yeah but at least you won't have all that other stuff cluttering up the ui |
| 12:52.49 | VIad | to change the various stuff you need to /console and deal with cvars and the names of the cvars are cryptic like "flutterpixelLevel" for particle effects |
| 12:53.20 | VIad | "linesmoothingthing" for antialiasing |
| 12:54.08 | Constie | Hide ground effects, remove the combat log, and disable boss mods. If you want to figure out why you died you have to read the dungeon journal like we used to in vanilla. |
| 12:54.23 | nevcairiel | vanilla had no dungeon journal, silly Constie |
| 12:54.43 | VIad | atlas addon with static images :x |
| 12:55.18 | Semlar | some people were complaining that advanced interface options was remembering the last character index that they logged into and re-applying it every time they logged out |
| 12:55.35 | Semlar | so it had the wrong character selected at the login screen |
| 12:55.40 | VIad | oh really? |
| 12:55.46 | Semlar | i couldn't reproduce it |
| 12:55.56 | Semlar | but it's theoretically possible |
| 12:56.00 | VIad | I run it with the option to restore settings disabled |
| 12:56.10 | VIad | and I also experienced that thing |
| 12:56.30 | Semlar | have you tried disabling the addon? |
| 12:56.44 | VIad | no but the issue is a bit on and off for me :o |
| 12:56.55 | VIad | I realm change a lot, higher odds it can happen then |
| 12:57.01 | VIad | got chars on 3 diff realms :/ |
| 12:57.40 | Semlar | it applies your cvar settings globally so i could see it changing the selection on another realm |
| 12:57.49 | Semlar | but it shouldn't be doing that if you don't have that option enabled |
| 12:58.59 | Semlar | i intentionally designed it to remember all of your settings so when you make a new character or something they aren't stuck with whatever default cvars they have |
| 13:00.24 | Semlar | unfortunately when i changed it to use their cvar api to get the list of cvars, it picked up a number of cvars that shouldn't be getting changed |
| 13:00.52 | Semlar | and i can't really filter them out automatically, so i guess i'm back to maintaining a manual list |
| 13:01.26 | Chipzz | maybe easier to maintain a blacklist in that case? |
| 13:01.40 | Semlar | it depends on what they add in the future |
| 13:01.59 | Semlar | i think it's safer to use a whitelist |
| 13:02.13 | Chipzz | true, but a blacklist sounds better than a whitelist to me |
| 13:02.26 | Semlar | in terms of not having to maintain it |
| 13:02.46 | Chipzz | if they add new options that should be changeable you would have to notice it yourself |
| 13:03.16 | Chipzz | the chances of them adding a cvar you want to show are higher than them adding one you want to hide? |
| 13:03.20 | Semlar | i could let the user manually blacklist items but that isn't really ideal |
| 13:03.22 | nevcairiel | rather have a missing option once in a while then the addon breaking something it shouldnt be touching occasionally |
| 13:03.51 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: the thing is, it requires Semlar to notice the option is actually missing and add to a whitelist |
| 13:04.02 | Chipzz | which puts the burden on him |
| 13:04.33 | Semlar | well i can create a diff every time there's a patch, but of course i don't actively play and i'm not going to be doing that |
| 13:05.00 | Chipzz | exactly |
| 13:05.03 | nevcairiel | he also needs to blacklist bad options, so same thing, except that missing options are less of a "risk" then setting bad options |
| 13:05.15 | Semlar | with their cvar api i could add an option to the addon itself to detect new cvars |
| 13:05.29 | Semlar | and ask the user if they want to add them or something |
| 13:05.50 | Semlar | like a "check for updates" button or something after a patch |
| 13:05.54 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but my gut feeling is that the chance they add "bad" cvars is pretty low |
| 13:06.06 | Semlar | they don't really change the cvar list that often |
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| 13:07.38 | Constie | Unrelease the addon. No users, no problem. |
| 13:08.06 | Semlar | if it's broken enough people will stop using it on their own |
| 13:08.17 | Chipzz | Semlar: thanks for the addon btw, I use it myself too! |
| 13:09.06 | Semlar | anything you think i should change? |
| 13:09.36 | Chipzz | lemme see |
| 13:10.43 | Semlar | i feel like curse managed to make their website even less attractive than it was |
| 13:11.09 | Semlar | what was wrong with the old curseforge look |
| 13:11.47 | Semlar | why does clicking on the preview image of the addon not open an expanded view of it |
| 13:13.16 | Semlar | this is just a clever ploy to get more people to use their app isn't it |
| 13:13.27 | Semlar | just keep making the website worse |
| 13:14.38 | Constie | https://media-elerium.cursecdn.com/attachments/111/243/WowB-64_2016-06-16_21-04-09.png should clearly be "actionbutt" instead. |
| 13:14.54 | Semlar | those screenshots are so old |
| 13:15.19 | Semlar | the cvar browser is literally the only thing in the addon there |
| 13:16.23 | Chipzz | I only use the CVar browser TBH, and only improvement there might be to use checkboxes instead of text input for known binary (toggle) fields, but not sure how easy that would be |
| 13:16.52 | Semlar | i can't detect that so i'd have to manually write what type of cvar each one is |
| 13:17.03 | Semlar | which i actually was doing but i decided that was insane |
| 13:17.59 | Semlar | i wanted to have the type for the cvar and the possible range of values, but i couldn't get the info for it |
| 13:18.34 | Semlar | and the game accepts invalid values for cvars |
| 13:18.35 | Chipzz | have you considered a feature request for Blizzard? |
| 13:18.59 | Semlar | does complaining to TheDanW count as a feature request |
| 13:20.19 | VIad | taintLog 7 was it? |
| 13:20.47 | VIad | or 9 or 10 or higher, eh can't remember :< |
| 13:20.55 | Semlar | probably 11 |
| 13:20.59 | VIad | ah right |
| 13:21.08 | Chipzz | Semlar: yes :) |
| 13:21.35 | Chipzz | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCVarInfo could be extended to return a 5th argument |
| 13:22.15 | Semlar | i don't even remember those last 2 returns |
| 13:22.25 | Semlar | are those newer? |
| 13:22.49 | VIad | if cvars store on blizz servers, can you use one to like store custom data? :d |
| 13:22.50 | Chipzz | no clue where they get their info |
| 13:23.05 | Semlar | cvars are stored in your wtf folder |
| 13:23.22 | Semlar | there are a handful that can be synced with the server i think |
| 13:23.24 | VIad | if I login on a clean wow it won't remember I wanna see large nameplates? :( |
| 13:23.34 | VIad | I think so too |
| 13:23.48 | Semlar | but regardless there's a limit to what you can store in one |
| 13:24.24 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it doesn't sync all of them, but i don't know what it does sync |
| 13:25.29 | VIad | I dislike like API that basically do what cvars could do :( |
| 13:25.44 | VIad | like how your bags sort, the order you call some API and tell it if you wanna sort asc or desc |
| 13:26.12 | VIad | my recent issue is finding the API, didnt find a cvar, to turn off the "bleed" spam messages |
| 13:32.14 | VIad | Semlar: do you happen to know how to turn off the snare/bleeding floating text spam? |
| 13:32.22 | VIad | I turned off all floating text stuff, but it still persisted |
| 13:32.32 | Semlar | loss of control stuff |
| 13:32.39 | VIad | looking |
| 13:32.40 | Semlar | or on enemies heads |
| 13:32.52 | VIad | like I keep seeing other players effects on pve mobs |
| 13:33.48 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure there was an option in the interface that was like "show other player's crowd controls" or something |
| 13:34.01 | Semlar | but it might have been removed |
| 13:34.14 | VIad | yeah there was indeed |
| 13:34.16 | VIad | I remember it |
| 13:34.53 | Semlar | i would think it's one of the floating/scrolling combat text cvars |
| 13:35.06 | Semlar | but i'd have to log in to look at the cvar list |
| 13:35.56 | VIad | you have it semlar |
| 13:35.59 | VIad | I turned it off |
| 13:36.09 | VIad | or it was off, but I am gonna try see if it still appears :p |
| 13:38.13 | VIad | yes semlar seems thats it but I am gonna observe |
| 13:38.23 | VIad | I remember "bleed" still appeared in raid and it was weird |
| 13:39.52 | VIad | wish we could show only names for friendly nameplates, but keep the hostile as is :( |
| 13:40.26 | VIad | same with to strip out the realm name can be annoying on friendly targets in raids |
| 13:46.02 | VIad | for a sec I saw a snare message but effects are off, meh |
| 13:46.09 | VIad | might be blizz bug too |
| 13:47.33 | Constie | I don't think I see those messages, but I remember turning the option on and seeing them less recently. Maybe Parrot hides them. |
| 13:47.34 | Semlar | just type snare into the cvar browser |
| 13:47.47 | Semlar | there are 2 options |
| 13:48.45 | VIad | they are 0 :( |
| 13:49.30 | Semlar | you're sure these are appearing above their heads and not on your ui |
| 13:49.51 | VIad | the text moves with the nameplate like of the unit |
| 13:49.58 | Semlar | maybe it's your nameplate addon |
| 13:50.00 | VIad | and I have no pvp addons that does that |
| 13:50.06 | VIad | using default nameplates too :x |
| 13:50.13 | VIad | it's odd really |
| 13:50.18 | Semlar | there are addons that add their own scrolling combat text |
| 13:50.22 | Semlar | but i have no idea what you're using |
| 13:50.36 | VIad | looks exactly like the default floating text if I enable to show dmg/heal numbers above heads |
| 13:50.44 | VIad | or if I enable the cvars to show bleed/snares on targets |
| 13:51.25 | Semlar | if it only shows when you have their nameplates enabled then it's almost certainly an addon |
| 13:51.31 | VIad | nono |
| 13:51.37 | VIad | showed up with the nameplates off |
| 13:51.44 | VIad | just that it anchors to the units "head" area |
| 13:51.55 | VIad | and addons can't unless nameplates are indeed visible :d |
| 13:52.34 | VIad | my theory is blizz removed the interface option so if it breaks or acts odd (like shows when it shouldnt) since its by default enabled it's good enough for them |
| 13:52.48 | Semlar | what happens if you just disable the enableFloatingCombatText cvar |
| 13:53.32 | Semlar | there's a floatingCombatTextAllSpellMechanics cvar that might just be overriding everything else |
| 13:53.43 | VIad | since I use MSBT that was already 0 and I also turned all float stuff off in the addon |
| 13:53.57 | Constie | I guess you could quit the game and rename your config.wtf, and if it stops happening then it's one of the CVars in there? |
| 13:54.00 | VIad | that one was 0 too |
| 13:54.24 | Semlar | floatingCombatTextReactives |
| 13:55.10 | VIad | nearly all the cvars floatingCombatText... are 0 |
| 13:55.24 | VIad | exception to small stuff like direction of the floating effect, that's 1 :p |
| 13:55.45 | VIad | float mode, pet combat text, those are 1 |
| 13:57.15 | VIad | it's odd |
| 13:57.31 | VIad | it happens rarely so its hard to debug |
| 13:57.37 | VIad | happens all the time if I ofc enable the cvars :D |
| 13:58.15 | Semlar | doesn't make any sense, so i don't know |
| 13:58.30 | Semlar | you're saying the exact same text shows up over units heads, randomly |
| 13:58.38 | Semlar | when you have the options disabled |
| 13:58.47 | Semlar | you should record it |
| 13:59.16 | Semlar | it sounds like this is from other players and not your own effects |
| 14:00.46 | VIad | yeah other players definetly |
| 14:00.52 | VIad | and its not consistent |
| 14:01.36 | Semlar | only when they're using an ability you have? |
| 14:03.18 | Semlar | eg. you only see snares from another demon hunter's effects? |
| 14:03.46 | VIad | last one I saw in dalaran sewers as I was leaving was a slow effect and not from or by a DH :d |
| 14:05.28 | Semlar | sounds broken, i would blame TheDanW |
| 14:07.14 | VIad | seems like it shows when friendlies get snared |
| 14:07.21 | VIad | like the succubus boss mindcontrol |
| 14:07.24 | VIad | then a ton of snare spam :D |
| 14:08.55 | VIad | Semlar: this is with floating completely disabled no effects and such https://i.imgur.com/8vib3XY.png |
| 14:09.16 | VIad | that russian snared so many and spam everywhere and those are MCed friendlies right :D |
| 14:10.05 | Semlar | it looks like it's trying to display their name in an unsupported font |
| 14:10.13 | Semlar | the default text doesn't show the target's name as far as i know |
| 14:10.21 | VIad | ah yes ofc |
| 14:10.24 | VIad | I use a custom font |
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| 14:10.33 | VIad | but that's not the issue :d |
| 14:10.46 | VIad | I think it does append the source |
| 14:10.50 | VIad | to the effects |
| 14:11.00 | Semlar | not when i played, just said "snared" |
| 14:11.03 | VIad | :D |
| 14:13.55 | Semlar | i mean, i'm like 90% sure that's the text from "display effects on other player's targets", but it's only showing for your teammates |
| 14:14.18 | Semlar | and it sounds like the game isn't filtering those out |
| 14:17.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.39 | VIad | I disabled both those effect cvars yeah, and it leaks through for teammates it seems |
| 14:20.54 | Semlar | sounds like a bug |
| 14:21.33 | Semlar | it's not ignoring enemy players as the source |
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| 15:14.56 | VIad | why can't I use F13-F24 if I bound them to my mouse extra buttons :( |
| 15:15.12 | VIad | wow doesn't recognize them at all |
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| 15:18.30 | VIad | why can't we be able to bind any key sent by the hardware to a keybind? :( |
| 15:58.13 | roionsteroids | https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/7pg6w0/we_donated_250k_to_erowid_and_were_matching_4/ |
| 15:58.21 | roionsteroids | oopsie wrong channel |
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| 17:20.44 | VIad | it's fun trying to read that, it's english but makes like no sense to me :D |
| 17:22.13 | Semlar | they're donating money to fund research into the psychoactive drug ecstasy to treat PTSD |
| 17:22.58 | VIad | sounds scary, drugs like ecstasy |
| 17:29.08 | roionsteroids | MDMA help a ton in PTSD patients, MAPS is an org trying to get it legalized for medical use |
| 18:33.20 | TheDanW | Semlar: we don't know either |
| 18:33.51 | Semlar | it's probably guill's fault |
| 18:35.54 | TheDanW | i'm fairly certain it isn't, but we can agree it is |
| 18:36.07 | Semlar | he's not here to defend himself |
| 18:36.33 | TheDanW | an admission of guilt |
| 18:36.40 | Stanzilla | guillt |
| 18:36.47 | Stanzilla | see what I did there |
| 18:36.56 | Constie | I suspect it's caused by some sort of quantum anomaly. |
| 19:06.03 | Thunder_Child | Just because he is not here as Guill, does not mean he is not in channel. |
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| 20:38.12 | ls- | TheDanW: Sup! Are you aware of a certain MaskTexture bug on PTR? Previously MaskTexture used to mask all the textures it's assigned to in the area it's placed on the screen, but it works differently on PTR. Or was it a deliberate change? O_o |
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| 20:44.04 | TheDanW | ls-: first i've heard of it, it shouldn't behave any differently in that regard; there was a bug fix for the mask texture being mirrored along y iirc |
| 20:46.53 | ls- | K, I'll write an example w/ screenshots :p |
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| 21:01.42 | ls- | TheDanW: code: https://hastebin.com/ehocamajus.lua, screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/AD972Ue.png |
| 21:15.05 | ls- | textures themselves aren't mirrored, just tested it. |
| 21:16.27 | Semlar | it looks like it's applying the mask to each texture separately |
| 21:17.08 | Semlar | from their center |
| 21:17.12 | TheDanW | ls-: hrm, i'll pass a long the report, thanks |
| 21:17.44 | ls- | Semlar: yeah >_> |
| 21:18.52 | ls- | TheDanW: yw <3 |
| 21:19.37 | ls- | I wonder if mask itself is mirrored on PTR atm... should check it too, while I'm at it |
| 21:30.53 | ls- | nah, mask is fine and isn't mirrored, but the bug looks weird :D https://i.imgur.com/3HCtqG7.png |
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| 23:44.18 | Mr_Rabies | please remove that cursed image from my computer thanks |
