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| 01:03.37 | TheDanW | so the async spell changes won't be going into 7.3.5, there will be a new PTR without async spell changes going up soon |
| 01:03.52 | TheDanW | it's still in the cards to do at a later date |
| 01:10.02 | nebula | Funkeh` sending death threats again, TheDanW? |
| 01:11.03 | nebula | with the ui updated to use SPELL_NAME_UPDATE i just assumed it was a done deal |
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| 02:04.21 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: what are the chances the min specs are bumped to 4gb for 8.0 making this irrelevant? |
| 02:05.12 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: also, would it not make sense to do this for spell descriptions only? |
| 02:05.31 | Funkeh` | that's where the massive saving should be I imagine, and also the least frequently used |
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| 02:59.33 | chazowi | shirik still come around? |
| 03:00.08 | Torhal | I haven't seen him in ages. |
| 03:00.13 | Torhal | ~seen shirik |
| 03:00.24 | purl | shirik <quassel@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 613d 7h 14m 41s ago, saying: 'they just thought it was part of the boot process?'. |
| 03:02.03 | chazowi | well that answers that haha, thanks |
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| 08:14.51 | Orabig | Hi there... |
| 08:15.53 | Orabig | Not sure if I'm at the right place : looking for informations about client DB files in Wow, are there some devs here ? |
| 08:27.36 | Semlar | what's your question |
| 08:31.39 | Orabig | I was wondering what it the correct way to find a texture filename, now that filedatacomplete.db2 does not exist anymore (since Legion) |
| 08:32.01 | Alram | if you are referring to interface textures you can find those in the manifest dbs |
| 08:32.45 | Orabig | I guess I can have the file ID in TextureFilePath.db2, but how to make the link between the file ID and the filename hash (which is used to store the files) |
| 08:33.18 | Orabig | Hum, no, it's not interface textures : I mean the textures used for the chars models. |
| 08:33.27 | Alram | then you are basically shit out of luck |
| 08:33.40 | Alram | unless you know the filenames |
| 08:34.18 | Orabig | I don't think so. The client does not know the filename, but it can get the files (obviously :) |
| 08:34.33 | Alram | yeah by filedataid i'm assuming |
| 08:34.59 | Semlar | the client doesn't need the file names, it's referencing them directly |
| 08:35.35 | Orabig | Yes, that's the point. But I'm not sure how to know the file hash, when I know the file ID |
| 08:35.47 | Alram | if you know the id you can find the hash in the root file |
| 08:35.56 | Orabig | Ho |
| 08:36.04 | Orabig | Ok, I'm checking that. |
| 08:36.07 | Alram | not the name though, just the hash |
| 08:36.14 | Alram | (or technically, lookup) |
| 08:36.28 | Alram | https://wowdev.wiki/CASC#Root |
| 08:37.10 | Orabig | Ok, perfect ! Many thanks. |
| 08:38.33 | Alram | you can also grab the latest listfile on https://bnet.marlam.in/listfile.php or https://github.com/bloerwald/LegionFiles (updated periodically) |
| 08:39.06 | Alram | i think most character textures are known at this point but no guarantees |
| 08:41.45 | Orabig | Yes, that's right, and will be usedful for debugging. |
| 08:42.21 | Orabig | Anyway, if my app needs to grab a texture from the character informations, it has to know how to deal without that :) |
| 08:43.59 | Alram | do you have to extract it from the files? |
| 08:44.24 | Orabig | Yes, I'd like the app to just need the game datas |
| 08:44.44 | Alram | then you should probably grab one of the casc libs instead of bothering to implement casc yourself |
| 08:44.56 | Orabig | Sure |
| 08:45.15 | Orabig | Do they handle the ID details ? |
| 08:45.37 | Alram | most should |
| 08:45.43 | Alram | i'm certain TOM_RUS's C# one does |
| 08:45.51 | Alram | you can just open files by id |
| 08:46.08 | Alram | i'm assuming ladik's casclib can too |
| 08:46.16 | Orabig | Hum.. You're right. I planned to integrate this part later, but it will be easier that way. |
| 08:46.29 | Alram | what language are you working with |
| 08:46.36 | Orabig | C#. In Unity |
| 08:47.02 | Alram | o, unsure if tom's c# lib is unity compatible seeing unity likes older .net frameworks |
| 08:47.12 | Alram | but i guess that part of the conversation is somewhat out of scope for this channel |
| 08:47.47 | Orabig | Yes :) I had to make that kind of conversion till now |
| 08:48.49 | Orabig | I'm at early stage of my project. The goal is to show a VR representation of the characters (Oculus Rift). It's working right now. I have a textured walking orc just in front of my face right now |
| 08:48.56 | Orabig | And it rocks :) |
| 08:49.08 | Alram | neat |
| 08:49.54 | Orabig | So loading model is working, texturing is ok, animation is ok since yesterday night (late !) |
| 08:50.15 | Orabig | Now : stuff (armor weapons and all...) |
| 08:51.05 | Alram | should probably continue conversation somewhere else (see pm) as this is getting pretty close to breaking channel rules i'm guessing :D |
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| 08:52.54 | Orabig | Ok, sorry :) .. I'm mute |
| 09:31.26 | Simca | afaik what you were discussing is fine for rules (lots of places have model viewers), just not really on topic exactly. you won't find much help here as it isn't most of our area of expertise. |
| 09:32.49 | Alram | hmk i thought it might have been a bit too on the wrong end of ToS stuf |
| 09:35.50 | Guest73011 | Simca: what is our area of expertise? |
| 09:35.58 | Simca | kittens. |
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| 09:52.57 | MentalPower | Jesus! |
| 09:53.11 | MentalPower | Isn't it like 4am in your timezone? |
| 09:53.34 | MentalPower | Also, can confirm. Torhal's area of expertise is kittens |
| 09:55.31 | MentalPower | Ugh, this server needs some love |
| 09:57.44 | VIad | thats no beard, it's kittens hanging from his jaw |
| 09:59.24 | VIad | I assume torhal has a beard hanging below the belt by now |
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| 10:24.03 | Torhal | MentalPower: My shift starts at 6pm, so... :D |
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| 11:29.51 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower calling a channel a server, clearly ruined by Discord |
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| 11:31.30 | Solvaring | ahhh nice to find a full channel here |
| 11:33.13 | Andols | Happy day? |
| 11:34.20 | Gnarfoz | it's Friday in most places, so, definitely |
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| 11:53.46 | Funkeh` | DoesSpellExist(id) in latest build |
| 12:00.44 | Gnarfoz | for id=1,999999999999999 do print(DoesSpellExist(id)) end :D |
| 12:00.51 | Maldivia | that was fast |
| 12:01.42 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: Can you clarify :SetFontObjectsToTry? |
| 12:06.14 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: Also, thank you for using texture path comments next to texture ids, I do it myself and it makes things so much clearer |
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| 15:05.09 | Chipzz | TheDanW: I realize this is not your department, but could you poke one of your colleagues on the D3 team to check the servers? something looks really off... EU Region, Torment 13: 110 Brawling games, 193 Nephalem Rift games, 115 Bounty games, 8 Key Warden games (all 4 are within expectations), but only 2!!! Greater Rift games? |
| 15:06.10 | Fisker | game is ded |
| 15:06.15 | Chipzz | it was like this ~1:45AM (1-2 games) local time (CEST) so around 14h ago |
| 15:06.34 | Chipzz | Fisker: if that would be the case, the other modes would be dead too. it's just greater rifts |
| 15:07.01 | Chipzz | and GRs were ~150-200 games before yesterday, so I seriously doubt your assertion |
| 15:07.36 | Chipzz | D3 plunging from 150 available games to 2 in one day time seems unlikely |
| 15:08.21 | Gnarfoz | open a ticket :P |
| 15:08.38 | Gnarfoz | (but mostly: ded gaem is ded) |
| 15:09.10 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: and again, that does not in any way explain the discrepancy |
| 15:09.30 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: 2 orders of magnitude difference between GRs and NRs? unlikely |
| 15:09.57 | Gnarfoz | you're barking up the wrong tree either way :p |
| 15:10.22 | Chipzz | yeah and your "ded game" comment was useless either way :P |
| 15:10.29 | Gnarfoz | (low game count at highest difficulty doesn't seem *that* unlikely, but I don't have stats :P) |
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| 15:11.00 | Chipzz | all 5 game modes were at T13 (highest dificulty) |
| 15:11.10 | Chipzz | still does not explain the 100x diff between NRs and GRs |
| 15:11.35 | Chipzz | (2 vs 193 which is close to 200) |
| 15:11.57 | Gnarfoz | maybe you're being conventry'd from the rest :p |
| 15:12.01 | Gnarfoz | *coventry |
| 15:12.11 | Chipzz | I had a friend check too and he had the same numbers |
| 15:14.30 | Chipzz | and FWIW, I don't have numbers, but I suspect the all-round buff to most builds in the last patch made a lot of people come back... so I doubt the game is as dead as you claim it is |
| 15:15.41 | Gnarfoz | you'd think a sudden shift by 100x would be noticed by the 24/7 battle.net global operations people ^^ |
| 15:15.57 | Chipzz | yeah you would think |
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| 15:16.48 | Chipzz | you would also think that Blizzard shipping an XSD would reflect healthy coding standards and obligatory check of the XML before checkin... also not the case |
| 15:17.17 | Chipzz | typos like Anch*e*r instead of Anchor and things like that... |
| 15:17.27 | Gnarfoz | I really wouldn't, but that's because of 13 years of WoW UI exposure :p |
| 15:19.17 | Chipzz | common sense unfortunately isn't common :P |
| 15:23.53 | Chipzz | anyway, don't feel like making a huge deal out of this, just wanted to flag it as a possible issue. so... whatever :) |
| 15:24.31 | foxlit | tweeting @BlizzardCSEU_EN might be a better avenue. |
| 15:36.45 | Gnarfoz | tickets \o/ |
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| 15:47.05 | Chipzz | foxlit: no twitter here, the technology is too new ;) |
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| 16:35.33 | foxlit | Chipzz: what are you using for validation against the xsd? |
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| 16:36.18 | Chipzz | foxlit: I'm not (validating it), although my code does emit warnings for various things which caught a lot of issues |
| 16:36.43 | Chipzz | invalid tags and attributes generate a warning |
| 16:37.05 | foxlit | I'm mainly interested in the .xsd -> which tags are valid where logic. |
| 16:37.23 | Chipzz | FWIW the xsd is incomplete |
| 16:37.37 | Chipzz | it's missing attributes on some of the tags |
| 16:37.45 | foxlit | that's common* knowledge. :P |
| 16:39.41 | foxlit | (it tends to lag behind client behavior, so it's more like opportunistic out-of-date docs than a formal spec.) |
| 16:42.52 | Chipzz | if I worked at blizzard, I would add a commit hook on their VCS repository that rejects any commit with invalid XML |
| 16:43.49 | Chipzz | probably gonna get a lot of bitching for a couple of days until things get cleaned up (although I already submitted a patch which clears up the vast majority of issues so it shouldn't even be *THAT* much of a PITA) |
| 16:45.47 | foxlit | Presumably they handle this with actual testing prior to releasing stuff: regardless of all the hilarious typos, framexml generally works fine. |
| 16:47.12 | Chipzz | it works because of fallbacks in the code (for example see the explanation about relativeKey from TheDanW above) |
| 16:47.33 | Chipzz | but it often doesn't work in the way the author intended |
| 16:47.51 | Chipzz | and often it just works by chance |
| 16:47.58 | foxlit | you don't think someone looked at the end result and went "meh, this is fine"? |
| 16:50.29 | Chipzz | like I said, in a lot of cases it happens to work by accident |
| 16:53.44 | Chipzz | stupid example: the dropdowns in the Collections frame had their arrow anchored to the right of the screen (nil reference means anchored to the screen in my code, like UIParent and GlueParent) |
| 16:55.20 | Chipzz | turns out it's because of this line: |
| 16:55.23 | Chipzz | <Anchor point="RIGHT" relativeKey="$parent.Right" relativePoint="RIGHT" x="-5"/> |
| 16:55.41 | Chipzz | inside the button which inherits from UIMenuButtonStretchTemplate |
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| 16:56.26 | Chipzz | now if you go look at the definition of UIMenuButtonStretchTemplate, you'll notice it doesn't have child with key name "Right", but it does have a child "MiddleRight" |
| 16:58.38 | Chipzz | what happens in the Blizzard engine is that it doesn't find the relativeKey, so it keeps the last value of the iterator over the relativeKey value (ie "$parent") |
| 16:59.37 | Chipzz | but relativePoint="RIGHT" is the same coordinates for $parent and $parent.MiddleRight |
| 17:00.37 | Chipzz | so it will look right, but probably not 100% what the author intended |
| 17:00.38 | Semlar | things don't usually just happen to work by accident |
| 17:00.54 | Thunder_Child | Well if someone went out of their way to make it work like that.... |
| 17:01.17 | Chipzz | Thunder_Child: it's called "fallback code" |
| 17:01.38 | Chipzz | I wouldn't say that's going out of your way... |
| 17:04.14 | Chipzz | Semlar: I have >50 cases of broken relativeKey ... I would say they do... :P |
| 17:05.37 | Semlar | you say they're broken, but it sounds like it's working as intended |
| 17:06.18 | Chipzz | s/working/happens to work/ |
| 17:06.29 | nebula | and it works, so no fucks were given |
| 17:07.13 | nebula | not sure why you're so obsessed with the xml, it's awful to code with in the first place |
| 17:07.42 | Chipzz | what should I be obsessed with? the lua code? |
| 17:08.02 | Chipzz | for one there's several things you can only do in xml |
| 17:08.13 | nebula | several being bindings and templates |
| 17:08.30 | Chipzz | uhm |
| 17:08.35 | Chipzz | no, not just that |
| 17:08.39 | nebula | pretty much just that |
| 17:08.47 | Chipzz | no, the list goes on and on and ont |
| 17:08.51 | nebula | if you say so |
| 17:08.52 | Semlar | there are like 2 xml exclusive properties |
| 17:09.01 | Semlar | and they're pretty much unused |
| 17:09.39 | nebula | and as to what to obsess over, it's not good to obsess over anything |
| 17:10.18 | Chipzz | <ScopedModifier> tag, example nr 1 |
| 17:10.43 | Chipzz | but the bottom line is I'm writing an emulator, so I care about different things than you do |
| 17:10.48 | Semlar | i think the last person who spent any significant amount of time parsing the default xml files was trying to reproduce the game client\ |
| 17:11.13 | nebula | pretty much, which you're like to be only one here to care about |
| 17:11.31 | Chipzz | sure, and that's my perogative, right? |
| 17:11.48 | nebula | it doesn't make it any less annoying :p |
| 17:11.51 | Chipzz | or is this place addon development only? |
| 17:12.12 | Chipzz | your unconstructive tone is also annoying to me, but you don't hear me bitching about it? |
| 17:12.14 | Semlar | strictly speaking it's a chat for addon developers |
| 17:12.15 | Chipzz | live and let live |
| 17:13.03 | Funkeh` | it's more the fact that you should investigate whatever problem you have and just report it, so far you seem to investigate and throw in messages as you're going |
| 17:13.04 | Semlar | writing an emulator is fairly unlikely to be within the ToS |
| 17:13.35 | Chipzz | Semlar: TheDanW got his job at blizzard after writing an emulator :) |
| 17:13.58 | Semlar | those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive |
| 17:14.21 | Funkeh` | they hired him and banned him account? |
| 17:14.25 | Funkeh` | his |
| 17:15.04 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: also, I *am* investigating the problems *and* submitting patches to fix them |
| 17:15.15 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: so I don't think I need a lecture thank you very much :) |
| 17:15.38 | Funkeh` | when i open this thread and see a wall of tldr from you I assumed otherwise, but ok |
| 17:15.43 | Chipzz | http://chipzz.safehex.be/interface.diff is the first batch of fixes I submitted in the past |
| 17:15.53 | Semlar | if you didn't want to be lectured you wouldn't be talking to programmers |
| 17:16.10 | Chipzz | so, if you wouldn't mind toning it down just a little, that would be great, thanks! |
| 17:16.21 | nebula | lol |
| 17:16.51 | Funkeh` | "here is X evidence of why im great and why i dont need your advice, now, kindly give me some advice" |
| 17:17.06 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: I don't think I asked for your advice? :P |
| 17:17.20 | Funkeh` | where did I mention me in specific |
| 17:17.36 | Chipzz | you just totally made that up. care to back it up with evidence, like pasting where I asked you for advice? |
| 17:17.46 | Funkeh` | what |
| 17:18.05 | Chipzz | you're making claims, I'm asking you to back them up |
| 17:18.12 | Chipzz | or I'm calling out your bullshit |
| 17:18.19 | Funkeh` | ok im done |
| 17:18.32 | Chipzz | good! |
| 17:19.12 | Semlar | i do need advice on something |
| 17:19.18 | Semlar | i'm trying to decide how to handle a bank deposit with a car whose windows don't roll down |
| 17:19.40 | Semlar | should i still attempt to use the drive thru |
| 17:19.51 | nebula | i mean, you can just pull past a bit and open the door |
| 17:20.02 | nebula | who goes to the bank anymore |
| 17:20.09 | Funkeh` | like the good old days when cars didnt have windows |
| 17:20.12 | Funkeh` | wait what |
| 17:20.13 | Semlar | i'm just trying to picture myself basically getting out of the car to use the intercom |
| 17:20.25 | nebula | just yell through the window |
| 17:20.34 | Semlar | i need to be able to use the vacuum thing |
| 17:21.07 | Semlar | i'd use the atm, but it no longer has the option to make deposits for some reason |
| 17:21.17 | Semlar | and i want to put some cash into my bank account |
| 17:21.48 | Semlar | i guess i could find a physical bank |
| 17:22.27 | nebula | they have a drive through but no lobby? |
| 17:22.41 | Semlar | it's just a drive thru with atms |
| 17:22.44 | Funkeh` | it uses a vacuum? |
| 17:23.07 | Funkeh` | is that in case you drop it you don't need to get out the car to pick it up? |
| 17:23.10 | Semlar | it's basically just a room with the tellers in it |
| 17:23.31 | Semlar | there's a drive through with several lanes you can interact with them at |
| 17:23.42 | Semlar | and there's an atm in the side of the building |
| 17:23.43 | Funkeh` | man, technology |
| 17:24.11 | Semlar | it's like the bank equivalent of a toll booth |
| 17:25.20 | Semlar | if i have to get out of my car to talk to them it's going to get awkward |
| 17:25.42 | Semlar | i'm going to be like standing next to my car at the intercom telling them i need to make a deposit |
| 17:25.50 | Semlar | and feeling like i'm in a sitcom |
| 17:26.02 | Funkeh` | but the camera footage might end up in a youtube video, so you might get famous |
| 17:26.17 | Semlar | i don't want to be famous if there's no money in it for me |
| 17:26.20 | nebula | i'm sure it's not an uncommon thing |
| 17:28.37 | Semlar | i think i'm just going to stay home |
| 17:28.46 | nebula | good call |
| 17:29.14 | Funkeh` | nothing can go wrong when you just stay home |
| 17:29.38 | Semlar | i don't know, i heard most accidents occur in the home |
| 17:30.01 | Funkeh` | you're right, you should probably just go do it |
| 17:30.16 | Semlar | no, they're definitely going to think i'm weird |
| 17:30.39 | Funkeh` | when you're getting out the car think to yourself, at least i'm not in my unsafe house |
| 17:33.35 | Semlar | plus if i walk into a bank they're going to think i look like a homeless when i'm really just a web developer |
| 17:34.04 | Semlar | homeless person |
| 17:37.44 | Funkeh` | you need to stop caring so much about what others think |
| 17:38.39 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
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| 17:46.41 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: Why would they think that of you anyway? |
| 17:47.59 | Funkeh` | he's in denial of his rugged good looks |
| 17:48.23 | Semlar | could be |
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| 18:10.12 | Thunder_Child | Well as a fellow web dev, stop looking like a schlemiel. |
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| 18:37.47 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: it just tries the fonts from left to right, once one fits it stops, if none fit then it'll get truncated - the fontstring needs a fixed size for it to work |
| 18:38.12 | TheDanW | Chipzz: D3 is far beyond my reach |
| 18:38.57 | Chipzz | TheDanW: ok, np, I suppose is there's any problem it will be resolved eventually |
| 18:40.07 | TheDanW | WoW's xml rules have never been possible to express via xsd, but we're almost certainly not going to go back and change its xml rules now |
| 18:48.49 | Chipzz | changing it's XMLs rules would obviously be silly |
| 18:49.15 | Chipzz | maybe I should try running it through an xsd validator and see what the real problems are |
| 18:50.32 | Chipzz | TheDanW: hmmm I think I get what you're saying. things like relativeKey etc are indeed impossible to validate |
| 18:50.42 | Chipzz | but I'm not even talking about that level |
| 18:51.14 | Chipzz | I'm simply talking about making sure the xml matches the xsd, so basically avoid "syntax errors" if you want |
| 18:51.32 | Chipzz | no that won't catch all problems |
| 18:51.53 | Chipzz | but it will catch a certain class of mistakes, like Ancher instead of Anchor :) |
| 18:55.04 | TheDanW | that's the level i'm talking about, it's not actually possible to express WoW's basic widget hierarchy in a xsd, it breaks the rules - i forget the specific cases now, but i had researched it a few years ago |
| 18:55.25 | TheDanW | it's possible that the xsd format has changed recently, i haven't been keeping up |
| 18:56.51 | Chipzz | I've seen new tags being added to the .xsd in the 7.0 timeframe, so it's definitely being updated to some extent |
| 18:57.04 | TheDanW | i meant the xsd specs |
| 18:57.14 | Chipzz | ah |
| 18:57.50 | Chipzz | hmmmm |
| 18:57.54 | Chipzz | I know of one problem |
| 18:58.05 | Chipzz | the 'intrinsic' mechanism |
| 18:58.13 | Chipzz | that's gonna screw you over for sure |
| 18:59.28 | TheDanW | sure, but we're not giving up intrinsic for xsd validation, it's much more valuable |
| 18:59.51 | Chipzz | I've just sprinkled a couple more printfs in my code, should be easier to debug now |
| 18:59.59 | Chipzz | yeah I wasn't implying you should |
| 19:00.35 | Chipzz | I was suggesting it might have been one of the problems you found while researching |
| 19:03.11 | TheDanW | i think it was before that, but intrinsic is definitely a gotcha |
| 19:05.24 | Chipzz | btw, why do you say intrinsic is so valuable? I mean, I see its value, but it's only used for ScrollingMessageFrame it looks? |
| 19:05.42 | Chipzz | or do you intend to do more stuff with intrinsics in the future? |
| 19:06.45 | TheDanW | addons can also use it |
| 19:06.51 | TheDanW | there will be more in 8.x |
| 19:07.23 | Chipzz | it looks like there are a lot of candidates for sure |
| 19:13.55 | Chipzz | fwiw, looking at the differences between patches, it looks like the blizzard code is going in a good direction |
| 19:14.21 | Chipzz | more use of parentKey instead of name="$parent...", use of mixins, ... |
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| 20:45.25 | Chipzz | TheDanW: would you take a diff to make ScriptErrorsFrame resizable and save its position? |
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| 20:58.51 | Chipzz | oh my, this is cute... |
| 20:59.12 | Chipzz | $ xmllint -schema ~/Interface/FrameXML/UI.xsd FrameXML/ActionBarController.xml -noout |
| 20:59.15 | Chipzz | /Users/chipzz/Interface/FrameXML/UI.xsd:857: element element: Schemas parser error : Element '{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}complexContent': The content is not valid. Expected is (annotation?, (restriction | extension)). |
| 20:59.27 | Chipzz | the xsd itself is not even valid :) |
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| 21:16.50 | Chipzz | fixing the errors in the xsd it looks like xmllint doesn't understand the extra tags defined in elements being extended |
| 21:17.11 | Chipzz | for example <Anchors> isn't recognized in <Button> o.O |
| 21:17.27 | Chipzz | now that's... kinda pointless |
| 21:17.51 | Chipzz | I'm no xsd expert, so no clue this is due to an error in how Blizzard structures its xsd or a limitation of xsd itself |
| 21:18.03 | Chipzz | or even a bug in xmllint |
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| 22:09.51 | Simca | i mean, xsd is just a standard, there's no reason blizzard can't alter it and read it however they wish |
| 22:09.58 | Simca | their xsd parser is their own design |
| 22:17.19 | Chipzz | uhm |
| 22:17.33 | Chipzz | I don't think you know what xsd is |
| 22:17.50 | Chipzz | you're probably thinking of *XML* |
| 22:18.17 | Chipzz | they have mentioned multiple times the xsd is never used |
| 22:18.56 | Chipzz | "their xsd parser" - they don't even have one |
| 22:20.37 | Fisker | lul |
| 22:22.19 | Chipzz | Simca: that being said, even if I replace 'xsd' with 'xml' in what you said... True, but so what? You're very much missing the point |
| 22:22.50 | Fisker | don't be dumb |
| 22:22.59 | Simca | i miss all sorts of points |
| 22:23.14 | Simca | especially when i'm barely paying attention |
| 22:23.20 | Chipzz | Fisker: how is what I was saying "dumb"? |
| 22:23.21 | Chipzz | :P |
| 22:23.27 | Fisker | by being incorrect |
| 22:23.31 | Chipzz | how |
| 22:23.44 | Fisker | Who knows |
| 22:23.49 | Chipzz | LUL |
| 22:24.03 | Chipzz | you're so *sigh* |
| 22:24.04 | Thunder_Child | Fisker also killed a guy. |
| 22:24.21 | Chipzz | "LUL! YOU'RE WRONG BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY!" |
| 22:24.29 | Fisker | I'm not really experienced in where education failed you Chipzz |
| 22:24.32 | Chipzz | only thing missing is the one1ONE11! |
| 22:24.54 | Chipzz | Fisker: OMG :) |
| 22:25.05 | Chipzz | I think you're the one being rude |
| 22:25.12 | Chipzz | 23:24 < Chipzz> "LUL! YOU'RE WRONG BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY!" |
| 22:25.15 | Simca | you're taking this all far too seriously Chipzz, you should unwind yourself a few notches |
| 22:25.20 | Fisker | That statement only makes sense if I called you rude |
| 22:25.29 | Chipzz | 23:24 < Fisker> I'm not really experienced in where education failed you Chipzz |
| 22:25.53 | Chipzz | Fisker: then again, your statement only makes sense when... oh nevermind :P |
| 22:29.31 | Simca | my point was mostly: i've been parsing blizzard XML for a long time for Heroes of the Storm, and at least for that game, they have their own way of doing things. they use a similar header line with a link to the standards that has also caused me hassle (I had to remove it when parsing) and the rest of the format is no less confusing. |
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| 22:32.22 | Simca | I don't know WoW's XML for the .xsd files very well; I've looked at the file about a total of once. |
| 22:33.13 | Simca | but parsing the xsd file may be a complete waste of your time, depending on how much they care about it. |
| 22:33.30 | Chipzz | so |
| 22:33.37 | Chipzz | xsd is meta-information for the xml |
| 22:33.43 | Chipzz | look at what I did above: |
| 22:33.50 | Chipzz | 21:59 < Chipzz> $ xmllint -schema ~/Interface/FrameXML/UI.xsd FrameXML/ActionBarController.xml -noout |
| 22:34.02 | Chipzz | the .xsd is the schema, like dtd |
| 22:34.10 | Chipzz | you do not want to *parse* the xsd |
| 22:34.15 | Fisker | zzz |
| 22:34.25 | Chipzz | is you want to feed it to an xml validator as the rules for the xml |
| 22:34.31 | Chipzz | the xml validator is supposed to parse it |
| 22:34.41 | foxlit | hey Fisker, have any amusing tiny island stories? |
| 22:34.43 | Fisker | you do not want to parse the xsd |
| 22:34.47 | Simca | parsing, reading, whatever |
| 22:34.48 | Fisker | xml validator parses it |
| 22:34.52 | Chipzz | Fisker: that's what I said |
| 22:34.53 | Fisker | > not supposed to parse it |
| 22:34.56 | Fisker | > xml validator parses it |
| 22:34.57 | Fisker | lul |
| 22:35.00 | Fisker | shut the fuck up |
| 22:35.21 | Chipzz | o.O |
| 22:35.22 | Fisker | yus foxlit |
| 22:35.23 | Fisker | many |
| 22:35.49 | Fisker | if you're gonna be a condescending asshole try to be right Chipzz |
| 22:36.03 | Chipzz | Fisker: where exactly was I wrong again? |
| 22:36.11 | Simca | the point is still that you're trying to use a third party tool to work a format that is essentially proprietary. if you really want a proper schema, you're probably going to have to pull apart the executable. |
| 22:36.13 | Chipzz | or do you not know where I was wrong, again? :P |
| 22:36.33 | Fisker | You asked how you were wrong |
| 22:36.34 | Fisker | not why |
| 22:36.45 | Fisker | I answered the question to the best of my ability |
| 22:36.47 | Chipzz | hahaha |
| 22:36.59 | Fisker | You were wrong because of course xsd is a standard |
| 22:37.00 | Fisker | so is xml |
| 22:37.15 | Chipzz | you accuse me of being "a condescending asshole" while being pedantic yourself :) |
| 22:37.25 | Chipzz | where did I claim xsd is not a standard? o.O |
| 22:37.39 | Chipzz | Fisker: you seriously lack in reading comprehension skills it looks |
| 22:37.47 | Fisker | not at all though |
| 22:38.14 | Chipzz | Simca claimed it was not a standard |
| 22:38.17 | Chipzz | I did *NOT* |
| 22:38.22 | Fisker | he did not |
| 22:38.26 | Chipzz | 23:36 < Simca> the point is still that you're trying to use a third party tool to work a format that is essentially proprietary. if you really want a proper |
| 22:38.45 | Fisker | yes because it's not following the standard? |
| 22:38.57 | Fisker | are you always this dense? |
| 22:39.20 | Chipzz | but I'm not going to continue this discussion if all you're gonna do is throw around wild accusations and refusing to back them up wit a simple copy/paste |
| 22:39.32 | Fisker | good |
| 22:39.37 | Fisker | Door is there -> |
| 22:39.39 | Chipzz | you should consider growing up some time |
| 22:39.48 | Fisker | but I'm not going to continue this discussion if all you're gonna do is throw around wild accusations and refusing to back them up wit a simple copy/paste |
| 22:39.56 | Fisker | Is that copy/paste enough for you? |
| 22:40.13 | Chipzz | 23:40 Ignoring ALL from Fisker |
| 22:40.20 | Fisker | oh no |
| 22:40.36 | Fisker | what ever will I do |
| 22:41.51 | fewyn | anyone played civ6? |
| 22:42.25 | Fisker | sure fewyn |
| 22:43.25 | fewyn | was it good? |
| 22:43.41 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 22:43.46 | Simca | iirc when i looked at the xsd file, there were properties it didn't even have listed that the game actually does support in XML files |
| 22:43.52 | fewyn | it's on https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly for 12$ |
| 22:43.57 | Simca | which is why I stopped looking at it |
| 22:44.27 | Chipzz | Simca: that's true, I also complained about it above |
| 22:44.33 | Fisker | I liked it, people complain it's removed some of the more advanced things from previous civs though fewyn |
| 22:44.53 | Fisker | Though I think the new expansion is kind of making up for that |
| 22:44.55 | Fisker | plus you always have mods |
| 22:44.58 | Chipzz | which was kinda my whole point to begin with: why does blizzard ship a xsd when it's incomplete and when its own files dont even validate against it |
| 22:45.14 | Chipzz | (which was partially answered by TheDanW) |
| 22:45.31 | Simca | I don't know; I think it's a relic of old output tools and probably has never warranted enough care to be updated |
| 22:45.32 | Chipzz | anyway I have company, going afk |
| 22:45.40 | Simca | there's a lot like that in WoW's files |
| 22:45.51 | Chipzz | Simca: but it *has* been updated, during the 7.x timeframe even, so quite recently |
| 22:45.59 | Simca | right but i mean how it is written |
| 22:46.24 | Chipzz | I really need to go but my suspicion is this: |
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| 22:46.49 | Chipzz | during my investigation for xml validating tools I found there were some editors that could also validate xml files using xsd |
| 22:47.24 | Simca | it's also possible the xsd is an addendum to something core to the executable, like how they built in a segment of lua code directly into the exe that aliases a bunch of different functions to each other |
| 22:47.26 | Chipzz | I suspect some people at blizzard used such an editor, and those who did care enough about it to fix it for what they are working on |
| 22:47.27 | Fisker | I saw a granite quarry foxlit |
| 22:47.47 | Chipzz | anyway GTG now |
| 22:47.49 | Chipzz | BBL |
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| 23:04.56 | Simca | when you get back, if you're into validating lua and xml, you should ask foxlit. he wrote a whole web app for doing exactly that. |
| 23:25.15 | Thunder_Child | fewyn: It's not bad, but it didn't have the same addictiveness that the others have. |
| 23:25.53 | Thunder_Child | Although perhaps the upcoming xpac will change that. |