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| 11:41.37 | VIad | I wonder what performance and UI improvements we'll get in the next expansion. I guess we'll find out once the alpha/beta client is released, but still fun to speculate. |
| 11:42.17 | VIad | perhaps the chat system overhaul that was mentioned some time ago? better cpu&gpu core utilization? can only dream. |
| 11:42.45 | VIad | considering most new gen cpu seems to be multithreading oriented, would be odd if blizz doesn't keep up with the hardware trend. |
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| 11:43.55 | nevcairiel | unfortunately game rendering and threading are hard to mix, and even harder if you have an engine thats decades old |
| 11:44.24 | nevcairiel | obviously it would be nice, but i wouldnt expect miracles in that area |
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| 14:19.10 | VIad | sending positive thoughts to the cosmos, maybe it helps, worth a try. |
| 14:24.17 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't sound like speculation, more like dreaming :D |
| 14:25.38 | VIad | at this stage dreams is what I have left. |
| 14:28.31 | Gnarfoz | it's what we get as non-Blizzard-employees ;) |
| 14:29.48 | VIad | I bet there is some engineer that compiled the game with experimental thread support for both cpu and gpu and enjoys those 80 fps in suramar at ultra preset, until it crashes ofc. |
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| 14:46.46 | AcidWeb | >80 fps in suramar |
| 14:46.56 | AcidWeb | You could make Star Trek episode about that. |
| 14:52.12 | VIad | twilight zone episode |
| 14:53.37 | VIad | where wow runs on a 16 core cpu and fully utilizes both cpu and gpu cores |
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| 15:04.17 | Gnarfoz | at 500 fps |
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| 15:23.03 | VIad | things that could but won't be added: ability to inspect friends (that allow it) so you can see them arena, bg, raid, 5 man stuff, or just run around in MC. spectate mode would simply spawn a phased ghost camera you can fly around in the air and observe. |
| 15:23.40 | VIad | benefit is being able to enjoy watching others play in-game, see what they are doing, how they are doing stuff, even watch other guilds raid and progress if you want. |
| 15:27.50 | Gnarfoz | hurdle: there are no "cameras" like that right now, apparently |
| 15:32.27 | nevcairiel | give people and invisible bunny vehicle to control |
| 15:33.04 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 15:34.01 | Gnarfoz | I had a sad when I heard that the MDI camera people continuously teleport to a player's position to create the appearance of having "follow camera" |
| 15:34.54 | Gnarfoz | also, that they needed to be in their group, triggering bugs that even jeopardized the grand final result |
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| 16:49.36 | Tentacled | Oh ffs. I can't into IRC. |
| 16:51.16 | Tentacled | Am I missing something (probably), or am I retarded (oh shut up), or do the AH API scans not carry any "of the Chihuahua" equipment variants at all? All I see is bonuses, but not suffixes... |
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| 17:53.41 | TheDanW | Justwait, Chipzz: i have been out of town the last week, did you get your questions answered? |
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| 18:05.57 | Chipzz | TheDanW: hmmm I don't think I asked any questions to you? :) |
| 18:06.33 | Chipzz | TheDanW: there was a discussion about when addons were first introduced into WoW though, maybe you could enlighten us? |
| 18:07.47 | Chipzz | TheDanW: and while I'm at it, did someone get around to taking a look at my patch yet? :) |
| 18:09.37 | Justwait | Yea it was in regards to the nameplate addon - but from what I understood there have been fixes made last week for that @TheDanW |
| 18:10.06 | TheDanW | there were addons at least by classic beta, though they took the form of replacing files to inject hooks, it was brittle at best |
| 18:10.32 | TheDanW | actual addon support was implemented mid 2004 |
| 18:12.10 | TheDanW | Justwait: yeah, i believe my fixes were patched last week |
| 18:13.24 | Chipzz | TheDanW: I seem to recall in early versions of WoW it was possible to patch any of the Interface files - is that what you're referring to? |
| 18:13.36 | Chipzz | s/patch/override |
| 18:14.09 | TheDanW | yeah, at some point it was locked down at glue to avoid capturing login info |
| 18:14.25 | TheDanW | i believe that was done in classic beta |
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| 18:15.00 | TheDanW | i recall the addon suite Cosmos that overrode files |
| 18:15.05 | Chipzz | *nod* |
| 18:15.19 | TheDanW | it broke basically every patch, thats when Sam started working on a real addon system |
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| 18:17.01 | Chipzz | more interesting question (that you may not answer :) ) the discussion was about was whether the classic reboot would include addons :) |
| 18:17.20 | Chipzz | my guess is it will |
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| 18:18.58 | TheDanW | not talking about details on classic yet :) |
| 18:19.08 | Chipzz | understandably :) |
| 18:19.27 | TheDanW | i briefly looked over your patch, but no one has had time to integrate it yet |
| 18:19.50 | Chipzz | ha nice |
| 18:20.26 | Chipzz | would it be helpfull if I reworked it as a series of small changes and put it on github? |
| 18:21.15 | Chipzz | that would have the advantage of being able to add commit messages explaining the changes |
| 18:22.32 | TheDanW | nah, should be fine like this, just higher priority things to look at currently |
| 18:22.47 | Chipzz | most of it is small typo fixes, but sometimes it's only 1 letter and it can be hard to spot exactly what changed |
| 18:23.51 | Chipzz | as an aside, I also noticed a small thing that may be a minor performance issue (not addressed in my diff) |
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| 18:25.30 | Chipzz | I noticed the (auto)-attack glow on the (hunter) pet portrait frame is not done using animations but using OnUpdate; isn't that rather slow? |
| 18:26.01 | nevcairiel | thats how such things were done for years and we all survived :) |
| 18:26.52 | Chipzz | yeah but weren't animations introduced to eliminate OnUpdate animating? :) |
| 18:28.03 | Chipzz | TBH I actually was pretty surprised (in a good way) when I noticed it was glowing in my emulator, when I haven't implemented animations myself :) |
| 18:28.35 | Chipzz | pretty nice "WTF how did that happen? :)" moment |
| 18:29.21 | TheDanW | depends on how it's implemented, OnUpdate isn't inherently slow, doing a lot of work every frame is slow |
| 18:29.33 | TheDanW | i doubt that anim is doing much |
| 18:29.49 | Chipzz | only relevant in combat anyway |
| 18:31.53 | Chipzz | PetAttackModeTexture:SetVertexColor(1.0, 1.0, 1.0, alpha); |
| 18:32.00 | TheDanW | before i was hired here i was working on a wow UI emulator also |
| 18:32.21 | Chipzz | how far did you get? |
| 18:33.38 | TheDanW | http://danwellman.com/vws.html |
| 18:33.55 | Chipzz | also shear? |
| 18:34.07 | TheDanW | http://danwellman.com/shear.html |
| 18:34.27 | Chipzz | haha, I found your emulator while googling for some things :) |
| 18:35.49 | Chipzz | did you test your emulator with GlueXML? because I didn't see any screenshots of that on your page |
| 18:37.03 | Chipzz | also, did you write stubs for the wow api? I couldn't find any reference to them on your page |
| 18:37.36 | Chipzz | I had to write a ton of them to get it to run without errors |
| 18:37.58 | Chipzz | (not really entirely without) |
| 18:39.14 | TheDanW | i never bothered with glue, i wrote a lot of stubs, but i don't think i ever published them |
| 18:40.23 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 18:40.32 | Seerah | hihi |
| 18:41.27 | Chipzz | glue is a pretty nice testcase :) |
| 18:41.41 | Chipzz | also loads a lot faster than frame :P |
| 18:47.25 | Fisker | How many hi's were free Seerah? |
| 18:47.38 | Seerah | Just one. The second one is 5$ |
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| 18:56.42 | Chipzz | TheDanW: one change I would really like to see in WoW is macros |
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| 18:57.06 | Chipzz | a) double size length to 512 b) add more character-specific macro slots |
| 18:57.24 | nevcairiel | that sounds more like a design question |
| 18:57.32 | Chipzz | the one change that was done to macros recently (add more global macro slots) didn't solve anything IMO |
| 18:57.55 | Chipzz | (well, not so "recently", but...) |
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| 20:05.14 | Fisker | gives Seerah $5 |
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| 22:07.40 | Gnarfoz | keep in mind they're saved server-side so resources on that end need to be taken into account |
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| 22:08.32 | Gnarfoz | also, to put that "addons, when?" thing to bed, I'll take the liberty to translate Dan's answer of "mid 2004" into "before retail release", just so I can google the IRC logs in 3 years when the question comes up again :P |
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