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| 07:01.46 | karl_w_w | it'll be interesting if classic wow has the original UI |
| 07:02.43 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully all they do is add support for different resolutions/aspect ratios and stop there |
| 07:03.03 | karl_w_w | pretty sure if addon makers now made addons under the original (lack of) restrictions they would be able to automate nearly the whole game |
| 07:03.04 | Mr_Rabies | almost everything else 100% the same as whatever patch they land on |
| 07:06.43 | karl_w_w | I feel like they will have to keep some of the modern comforts |
| 07:07.01 | karl_w_w | people dont really want the whole game how it was' |
| 07:10.06 | Mr_Rabies | i agree that many people don't, but it defeats the point |
| 07:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | if it's not vanilla for real |
| 07:10.31 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise why not just do timewalking vanilla content and call it a day |
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| 07:18.35 | Andols2 | They should they should ask curse/wowi for the uploaded 1.x addons and hardcode them to give an "authentic" vanilla addon experience. |
| 07:18.48 | Andols2 | . /s |
| 07:27.51 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't be that surprised if they did that |
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| 11:17.33 | Chipzz | Mr_Rabies: I don't know how technical you are, but there are some things that people who make claims like you simply don't know |
| 11:18.22 | Chipzz | if I'm not mistaken, addons were only introduced near the end of 1.x; WoW 1.0 didn't even have the concpet of addons, you would hack the main XML/Lua |
| 11:19.28 | Chipzz | so... given that that opens a whole slew of potential exploits and problems, the chances of what you're asking for are well.... practically nil? |
| 11:22.18 | Chipzz | which is probably also one of the (technical) reasons why Blizzard hasn't been willing to do it so far. Chances are very real that the vanilla version will be an entire rewrite under the covers |
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| 11:25.12 | nevcairiel | addons were definitely available around the middle of classic, not only at the end, i dont quite remember when they were officially added |
| 11:25.34 | Chipzz | but definitely not in 1.0 |
| 11:27.37 | Chipzz | and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the middle either but more like near the end of vanilla |
| 11:29.55 | Chipzz | apart from that there were also issues with macros that enabled you to oversimplify your rotation into an almost one-button rotation by combining several skills in one macro... I highly doubt that Blizzard wants that to happen again |
| 11:31.17 | Chipzz | seriously, if you think it's as simple as digging out the original source code and rereleasing that, you're incredibly naive |
| 11:31.31 | Chipzz | if that were the case, Blizzard could have done it years ago |
| 11:31.59 | nevcairiel | 1.2 defintiely had addons already, cant find definitive source when it was really added |
| 11:33.17 | Chipzz | or maybe you're not naive, and just want an exploitable game. also possible :P |
| 11:33.47 | nevcairiel | most reasonable assumption would be that they re-create it on the 8.0 client, but who knows |
| 11:36.21 | Chipzz | agreed |
| 11:37.16 | Chipzz | and quite frankly, there are plenty of QoL improvements that would be stupid to miss out on |
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| 11:38.45 | Chipzz | and I'm not even talking gameplay related things, but for example things like debugging tools |
| 11:39.04 | nevcairiel | its not a fight they can win either way, no matter what amount of QoL they include or don't include, there will always be a vocal group that either goes "muh vanilla experience" or "muh too hard" |
| 11:39.26 | nevcairiel | which is part of the reason we never assumed they would actually ever do it |
| 11:39.30 | nevcairiel | you jsut can't win |
| 11:39.41 | Chipzz | I doubt there would be any whining if they added the debugging tools |
| 11:40.35 | karl_w_w | it's going to be fascinating to see what they do and then how they deal with the complaints |
| 11:40.50 | karl_w_w | I guarantee people will complain that there's no aoe loot |
| 11:41.01 | nevcairiel | that got only added with like mop |
| 11:41.16 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 11:41.38 | Chipzz | 12:39 < nevcairiel> you jsut can't win >> true, but that's the case now too |
| 11:42.02 | nevcairiel | well its quite a bit worse when you re-do old content |
| 11:42.11 | Chipzz | even changes in the current client have both proponents and opponents |
| 11:42.36 | Chipzz | points at mmoc forums :P |
| 11:42.51 | nevcairiel | that forum is a lost cause anyway |
| 11:43.04 | nevcairiel | most of those argumnets on there even start from misinformation |
| 11:43.08 | nevcairiel | because people are dumb |
| 11:43.10 | Chipzz | I read it for entertainment but I never comment :P |
| 11:43.34 | nevcairiel | (or because the mmoc front page mis-quoted an interview again, and noone bothered to watch it :p) |
| 11:43.36 | Chipzz | 12:43 < nevcairiel> because people are dumb >> QFT :) |
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| 11:57.11 | Chipzz | anyway, I for one will enjoy the drama resulting from people's bubbles bursting :) |
| 12:00.47 | Chipzz | although a completely unmodified 1.0 would be "interesting", if only because you could (probably) hack Ovale to do your enitre rotation for you :P |
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| 13:08.43 | nevcairiel | note that release-day was 1.1, not 1.0 =p |
| 13:09.41 | Fisker | which one? |
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| 17:35.05 | Gnarfoz | addons only added later? wut ^^ addons were in beta! :D |
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| 21:20.18 | Justwait | @TheDanW, did you read my pm on november 2nd? |
| 21:40.36 | Gnarfoz | Alram: Van harte gefeliciteerd! |
| 21:40.47 | Alram | Thanks bud |
| 22:16.18 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: ah, nog een Nederlandstalige? :) Vlaming of Nederlander? |
| 22:16.27 | Gnarfoz | nope, the other guy, though |
| 22:16.39 | Chipzz | Alram: ^^^ |
| 22:16.49 | Gnarfoz | he's way cooler anyway. :-) |
| 22:17.18 | Chipzz | Justwait: when I tried to message TheDanW, I got a server message back saying he's not accepting private messages. so the answer is probably "no" |
| 22:17.27 | Alram | Classic dutchie here sorry |
| 22:17.43 | Alram | Sworn enemy of the Belgian empire etc |
| 22:18.08 | Chipzz | then I should probably hide :P |
| 22:18.16 | Chipzz | what's your gripe with Belgium? :P |
| 22:18.34 | Gnarfoz | from afar, it looks like Germany rotated by 90°? :P |
| 22:19.20 | Chipzz | well then I hope you don't think Belgians are Nazi's :) |
| 22:20.37 | Chipzz | oh wait, that's the other guy :) |
| 22:22.18 | Alram | No idea |
| 22:22.26 | Alram | I think it might be a genetic thing |
| 22:22.37 | Alram | Like allergies but for belgians |
| 22:23.14 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: I don't know where you got your info from, but the initial vanilla release most certainly did not have addons |
| 22:23.25 | Alram | Though I'm sure we don't exactly have the best rep either over there |
| 22:24.26 | Chipzz | there are a lot of Dutchie jokes in Belgium, sure. But I don't think that's hostility, more like friendly jesting :) |
| 22:24.37 | Gnarfoz | Chipzz: addons existed even before release, so that's kind of a strange claim to make |
| 22:24.39 | Chipzz | and I'm sure the Dutchies have lots of Belgian jokes too |
| 22:24.41 | Alram | I'm just kidding around too |
| 22:24.53 | Justwait | Chipzz, * TheDanW :has been informed that you messaged them. -- is what my client told me ;) |
| 22:24.55 | Alram | Unless you come too close in which case I am forced to defend myself |
| 22:24.59 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: where did you get your information? |
| 22:25.04 | Gnarfoz | Chipzz: from being there? |
| 22:25.10 | Gnarfoz | if you want documentation: https://wow.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=AddOn&oldid=258 |
| 22:25.13 | Gnarfoz | check the date |
| 22:26.18 | Chipzz | I didn't play during vanilla, but I did do a lot of research for my pet project, been reading a lot of changelogs for WoW, and the changelogs clearly indicate addons were added later |
| 22:26.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah? I'm sure you can link that, then |
| 22:26.31 | Gnarfoz | wowpedia has those as well |
| 22:27.26 | Chipzz | I would have to start digging again, closed these tabs a long time ago already |
| 22:27.31 | nevcairiel | i checked wowpedia this morning when we first talked, there was no such mention |
| 22:27.45 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: "no such mention" of? |
| 22:29.15 | nevcairiel | addon support being "added" |
| 22:30.18 | nevcairiel | there is changes to addon functionality being noted in the changelogs as early as 1.3.0 |
| 22:30.51 | nevcairiel | so it clearly was in before that, ie 1.2.0 *at least*, which incidentally was EU release version, so one might easily conclude it was present from day 1 |
| 22:31.04 | Alram | If I was behind my PC I'd check my build archive |
| 22:31.43 | Gnarfoz | I'm still confused why Cosmos existing in the beta would mean anything else than "addons have existed at launch" |
| 22:31.48 | Chipzz | heh. https://wow.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=AddOn&oldid=258 just gives a blank page here... |
| 22:31.52 | nevcairiel | i found a giant changelog compilation from 1.1 to 3.1 which I assembled some time ago |
| 22:32.06 | nevcairiel | (some time ago = when 3.1 was current) |
| 22:32.07 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:32.18 | Gnarfoz | I suspect it's treating you as suspicious then (it being Cloudflare) |
| 22:33.49 | nevcairiel | patches sure did a lot of changes back in classic |
| 22:33.53 | nevcairiel | or they just documented more of it |
| 22:35.48 | Gnarfoz | putting an actual finish on the rough thing that was 1.1 |
| 22:36.33 | nevcairiel | i still remember when I played it for the very first time in US beta, and it was just magical |
| 22:36.48 | nevcairiel | despite being buggy as fuck, but hey |
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| 23:00.58 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: I was looking for release notes, but it appears release notes usually do not include details about API changes, those are separate posts, and I can't find them easily atm |
| 23:03.02 | nevcairiel | api changes have historically never been documented all that well |
| 23:03.14 | nevcairiel | not officially anyway |
| 23:07.47 | Gnarfoz | the ancient UI forum at least tried :D |
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| 23:24.30 | nebula | > Lua single line comments now work in script blocks embedded in XML files. |
| 23:24.46 | nebula | that's the earliest i saw when you were talking about it this morning (1.2.0( |
| 23:25.56 | Gnarfoz | (are any of you besides Chipzz actually questioning that addons have been in before vanilla launch? :D is this the darkest timeline?) |
| 23:26.21 | nebula | i had no idea, i started shortly after the naxx patch |
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