IRC log for #wowuidev on 20171116

00:04.51mukunda_i dont think thats firing, or im missing it? im hooking that event, then printing GetGuildRosterMOTD() (which prints nothing), and then the event doesnt fire
00:07.10mukunda_if i change the motd my hook gets it
00:08.42mukunda_docs say it fires on login so i might be overseeing something
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00:15.48mukunda_looks like other addons are just polling it
00:15.58mukunda_:(
00:20.07znfit shouldn't matter?
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00:25.30Gnarfozblizzard chat frame just listens to the event, so that should work in theory ^^
00:27.36mukunda_im confused how thats getting it to work
00:27.50znfevents are not exclusive?
00:28.09mukunda_but im guessing that its hooking it early enough to get it, and then for some reason GetGuildRosterMOTD just isnt showing the value yet for whatever reason
00:32.02mukunda_now for GUILD_ITEM_LOOTED...
00:32.16mukunda_which of course i cannot test -_-
00:32.28mukunda_and all i have to go off of is this line in the chatframe lua body = string.gsub(message, "$s", GetPlayerLink(arg2, playerLinkDisplayText));
00:33.34Thunder_ChildTo be fair, blizz can do magic if they choose.
00:34.58mukunda_im guessing message contains "$s has looted: [loot link]"?
00:35.39mukunda_no idea why they would have the $s there part of the message; maybe for localization purposes
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03:46.13Mr_Rabiesanyone know of an addon that might help my guild's loot system out a bit? currently using rollmaster, but it's a bit rough around the edges
03:46.21fewyngod new firefox is super faster
03:46.34fewynpersonal loot Mr_Rabies ? :D
03:46.37Mr_Rabieswe do personal loot, but any loot not needed, we trade to a loot master who rolls it off while clearing the trash to the next boss
03:46.45fewynoh
03:47.25Mr_Rabiesthat way it removes the pressure for people to give their loot to someone
03:48.10fewyntrue
03:48.16fewyni don't raid anymore tho
03:52.08Mr_Rabiesa weird analogy, but kinda like the whole "everyone but one person has their gun loaded with live ammo in a firing squad" thing
03:52.51Mr_Rabieswhen the same guy puts everything up for roll it decouples the loot from the person that won it, and we punish people trying to go outside the system we've established
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17:19.49foxlit<PROTECTED>
17:20.35VIadTheDanW: I noticed IsSubmerged() now returns same values as IsSwimming() I remember you changed IsSubmerged to return true only if you are actually underwater when the breathing bar would appear.
17:32.33Funkeh`VIad, maybe check if the breathing bar is polling a different api to decide when to show?
17:33.12VIadI already uncommended the part of my code that relied in the breath bar :p
17:33.19VIadissue is if you got a breathing buff you dont get any
17:33.26Funkeh`ah
17:33.29VIadIsSubmerged did return correctly in those situations
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17:57.59TheDanWVIad: doesn't look like anything has changed, not sure why it would be working differently :/
17:58.28VIadodd. I'll look into it. try repair the client too.
18:00.22ChipzzMr_Rabies: our loot uses RCLootCouncil
18:00.30Chipzzs/loot/guild
18:17.43znfRCGuildCouncil
18:17.49karl_w_wreally want to update my firefox, really dont want to lose my beloved addons
18:18.22znfhttps://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
18:19.55karl_w_wno but I want to update :P
18:20.35Gnarfozso hassle the authors into updating them
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18:21.35Funkeh`another good thing of the firefox update
18:21.41Funkeh`purging all the old addons
18:28.06karl_w_wthat's not a good thing, some old addons are fine! :(
18:28.45karl_w_woh crap how am i meant to get the old search back
18:29.46Funkeh`?
18:29.54kullervowhat old search
18:30.13karl_w_wthe way the old search box used to work
18:30.32kullervowhat was the benefit of using the old search box?
18:30.33Funkeh`if you're talking about a separate box, look at the settings before panicking
18:31.25karl_w_wnot the just seperate, it used to work different as well, a while ago
18:31.46karl_w_whow you chose a different search engine and it stuck
18:32.25kullervoI used a dozen different search engines at one point
18:32.35kullervowas faster to simply use a keyword
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18:53.33karl_w_wgod i only just got used to the refresh button being on the end of the address bar
18:53.37karl_w_wi cant handle change
18:56.20FiskerHey Seerah
18:56.28Seerahhihi
18:56.41FiskerPeople suck
18:56.57Seerahoh?
18:57.26FiskerYep
18:57.35FiskerJust someone who hurt a friend
18:58.04Seerahah, yeah, that'd do it
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19:24.41dev9000Hello, does anyone know which is the CVAR for the "Larger Nameplate" option from the "Interface > Names" menu?
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20:00.02Seerahdev9000: turn on event tracking (/eventtrace) and look for the CVAR_UPDATE event.
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20:05.36dev9000Seerah: tyvm!
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20:53.08Gnarfozrefresh button is ctrl-r, karl_w_w, that rarely moves! :D
21:17.21zenzelezzkarl_w_w: you can also just right-click, choose "Customize", and move it back
21:19.07karl_w_wnot to exactly where it was, ill just get used to it. the search is a real pain though, context menu search is almost worthless now
21:52.25Funkeh`TheDanW, I thought GetPlayerMapAreaID("player") only failed in instances and worked in all "world" zones, so why does it fail in argus invasion points (instance id 1779) but IsInInstance also fails? Can one of these 2 be fixed?
21:57.22TheDanWit only fails if it can't retrieve the area ID, the maps are probably "special" and it's unable to navigate the hierarchy
21:57.41TheDanWyou can retrieve the id instances
21:57.48TheDanWnot the positions
21:57.58Funkeh`yup
21:58.43Funkeh`but it would be nice to make the distinction if it's an instance or a world zone so I don't need a hack for 1 specific zone
22:00.43Stanzilladenied
22:01.23TheDanWi don't see how these are related
22:01.55Funkeh`if you're in an instance we use instance ids from GetInstanceInfo
22:02.07Funkeh`if not, we use map ids from the map API
22:03.21TheDanWthey work like demon invasions from 7.0.3 prelaunch, they're not a traditional instance
22:03.56Funkeh`prelaunch invasions were in specific world zones
22:04.03Funkeh`so you could know when to run your code
22:04.26Funkeh`these invasion "instances" require a portal to a difference zone
22:05.00Funkeh`that zone is apparently not an instance, but also GetPlayerMapAreaID("player") doesn't work (despite having a map)
22:06.22TheDanWthere's changes being made to maps that should improve or alleviate that
22:06.47Funkeh`awesome
22:08.01nevcairielGetPlayerMapAreaID has generally been too unreliable for my taste, changing the map is annoying but far more reliable to retrieve a valid map
22:08.58Funkeh`not had an issue with it for the few world zones with bosses in them, until this one
22:09.24nevcairielWell yeah world zones are mostly fine
22:09.38TheDanWthe future i'm working towards is that map has no global state in C, everything you'd just be able to query in Lua without worrying about mucking up global state and/or having to restore it
22:09.40nevcairielBut I care about all places players can go
22:09.46Funkeh`that's why we use instance ids for instances =P
22:10.02nevcairielThat would be nice TheDanW
22:10.17nevcairielEven if I had to rewrite HBD entirely :P
22:11.02Funkeh`TheDanW, Im not sure how, but it would be great if there was some internal consistency between instance ids and map ids
22:12.45Funkeh`probably not possible since one instance id can have multiple map ids
22:13.13nevcairielObviously with continents
22:13.53Funkeh`maybe structure is so that the instance id is treated as the parent and map id the children
22:14.08schlumpfinstance ids have multple map ids?! really?
22:14.23Funkeh`they can have, yes
22:14.42schlumpfdo you have an example for that? never heard about that
22:14.46nevcairielOf course, instance is something like kalimdor, and kalimdor has a whole bunch of zones, ie. Maps
22:14.52Funkeh`every continent in the game
22:15.03Funkeh`also argus invasions
22:15.06schlumpfoh, those map ids. sorry, yeah, of course.
22:15.17Funkeh`one instance id, multiple maps
22:15.22nevcairielMap area IDs or how the game calls it
22:15.33schlumpfI wasn't aware you were using instance id = map, map id = worldmaparea
22:15.48Funkeh`instance id = instance id not map
22:15.59Funkeh`it's completely unrelated to the map api
22:16.48Funkeh`you can parse over the names of all the instance ids and get beta/testing names
22:17.14nevcairielThere is no consistent naming for these, the db2 calls it something, API functions call it something else, API docs call it yet something else
22:17.18TheDanWthere's mapIDs (what physical map you are in) that the API often confuses with worldMapAreaIDs (the UI transformation of that physical space)
22:18.01Funkeh`the instance id is the representation of the physical space iirc
22:18.12nevcairielSo we use instance id (what UnitPosition returns, etc), and map (area) id
22:18.14schlumpfyeah, I don't know about the lua api a lot, so I was thinking in db naming, sorry.
22:21.08TheDanWinstanceID is also overloaded, it means different things in different contexts :/
22:21.34schlumpfno worries, we know that blizzard is _really_ shit at naming and spelling ;)
22:21.43nevcairielHehe
22:22.18nevcairielWe can figure out which values we want, getting rid of stateful maps would already be plenty :)
22:24.03nevcairielIf things like SetMapToCurrentZone just go away entirely that would be awesome
22:24.14TheDanWthats the goal
22:25.08Funkeh`will we also ever be able to create additional minimaps again
22:25.57schlumpfif you reach that goal, mad respects. the amount of global state around is so huge, getting even parts of it sorted is amazing.
22:26.23nevcairielThere is also a few cases right now where there is no events when the map should change, mostly in micro dungeons with multiple floors, even affects default UI, not sure that's something that may be related to that
22:29.43nevcairielOr maybe the default map isn't supposed to change when you walk around
22:30.14Funkeh`it probably shouldn't even register the event until it's open :p
22:37.08Funkeh`I don't know if it's still on the todo TheDanW but is an id system to assist with cinematic skipping on the horizon?
22:49.19Thunder_ChildYou need an entire API to skip a cinematic?
22:50.16Funkeh`an id system to distinguish it
22:50.42Thunder_ChildIs there some reason to interact with it?
22:51.06Funkeh`?
22:52.18Thunder_ChildI guess my point is, do cinematics happen so often, canceling them needs to be automated?
22:52.52Funkeh`especially in dungeons, yes
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22:56.53nevcairielits not "needed" as such, however in dungeons and raids it can be rather annoying to see the same cinematic again and again
22:58.30Thunder_ChildThat seems like something blizz should be implementing.
22:58.36nevcairielperhaps
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23:18.16pnormanWith the Kil'jaden cinematic these days we do the loot quickly enough that you'll miss it if you watch all of it.
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23:32.30Mr_Rabies<karl_w_w> god i only just got used to the refresh button being on the end of the address bar
23:32.44Mr_Rabiesoh jesus where did they put it now? midway through the close button?
23:33.38Stanzillaleft where it belongs
23:37.52Mr_Rabiesoh that's good
23:37.57Mr_Rabiesi'm glad they put it back in a sane place then
23:38.04Mr_Rabieswhen they stopped letting you move it back i got mad
23:38.12Mr_Rabiesbut mozilla has kind of gone down the tubes
23:38.38Mr_Rabiesthere's not a single browser that really impresses me anymore, everything is either "Chrome but _____" or "it barely works!"
23:38.42Gnarfozthis Firefox feels quite good so far
23:38.46foxlit... you can move it.
23:40.31Mr_Rabiesit all moves as a solid block last i checked, foxlit
23:40.37Mr_Rabiesaddress bar + reload button
23:40.46foxlitthat's not the case in 57.
23:41.00Mr_Rabiesin 45-52 or so it definitely is
23:41.06Mr_Rabiesi use ESR 52 at work and i kinda hate it
23:41.42Mr_Rabiesbrave was looking promising but it needed a lot of work in the performance department last time i tried it
23:41.46Thunder_ChildYou shouldn't need anything more than F5.
23:42.16Gnarfozyou mean ctrl-r?
23:42.17Gnarfozyeah.
23:42.20Mr_Rabiesa lot of the time moving the mouse i'm already using is easier than moving to F5
23:42.42Mr_Rabiesunless i'm tying my hands generally aren't on my keyboard
23:42.46Mr_Rabiestyping*
23:42.50Gnarfozno idea how IE's shortcut got so popular :D it's out of the way for *both* hands
23:43.30Mr_Rabiesi should give brave another shot sometime but getting out of the google ecosystem is an annoyance
23:44.20Gnarfozwhat's brave's rendering engine called... courage?
23:44.29Gnarfozdoes it have a headphone jack?
23:44.49Thunder_ChildI mean, I refresh my browser once every 30 seconds or so, and 99% of the time it's keyboard based.
23:45.00Stanzillabrave is an electron app, no? :D
23:45.30GnarfozBrave is a Disney movie :3
23:53.42TheDanWFunkeh`: no plans currently

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